06:15:25 Yo, if you are on X, give this a booster by retweeting far and away! https://x.com/XmrSigner/status/1855596340803231852 06:15:26 https://xcancel.com/XmrSigner/status/1855596340803231852 08:06:47 ty for the reminder and the xcancel link :) 12:39:45 Hi there, glad to join your community! 12:55:58 Who left the door unlocked? 14:35:46 How does anyone find anything in matrix? I look for rooms that I know are here but don’t show up in matrix, well Element search. The only way to get new members is to leave it unlocked 14:36:43 anyone had any luck installing haveno in linux? 14:37:55 yeah, get it from https://haveno-reto.com 14:38:02 No 14:38:27 Thank you 14:39:12 why not use the main project, isn't reto like unofficial? 14:39:21 I have go back and look at those computers 14:39:25 the main project is only testnet 14:39:35 https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1g42umh/haveno_is_live_on_mainnet_how_to_install/ 14:40:14 ok ill give it a try 14:40:16 thanks man 14:40:38 also, can you do fiat<>monero? 14:40:42 I think so 14:41:21 And it’s private! So cool 14:41:48 Finally real money that’s available 14:42:05 yes, that is the main point of it 14:42:24 but you need at least 0.11 xmr to be able to fund the security deposits (you get the coins back though) 14:44:06 hmm how does that qork 14:44:09 work* 14:44:18 what if someone scams a customer 14:44:26 how is the issue solved? 14:44:38 is there like a team dedicated to solve conflicts? 14:48:39 there is arbitration 14:49:10 https://blog.nowhere.moe/servers/haveno-arbitrator/index.html 15:01:48 nice 15:12:29 just read the system, seems ok. 15:13:16 it would also be possible to make a site in which we rate the sellers on haveno 15:44:01 Hey there! I wanted to let you know that I have a channel where I share some amazing Verified sauce and soft cashout methods. I also provide a Full WalkThrough to make things easier for you. Here are some of the things you can find on my channel: 15:44:02 Apple Pay 15:44:04 Apple Product method 15:44:06 Airb&b 15:44:08 Bank logs/ bank drops 15:44:10 Bank open UPS 15:44:12 Carding 15:44:14 Chime transfer 15:44:16 Cashapp 15:44:18 Crypto 15:44:20 Clone card 16:07:16 @monerobull:monero.social 16:07:29 @plowsof:monero.social 16:08:31 On it 16:59:24 Holy shit haha. nioCat https://xcancel.com/PeterLBrandt/status/1855959617051689293 17:07:20 is this the price channel? 17:09:54 no 17:11:03 nioCat -markets isn't bridged to Matrix, it's Matrix only, or IRC only. 17:11:32 Whoever moderator redacted the message on Matrix can go fuck themselves. 😘 17:12:57 rotten there is off-topic :) 17:13:47 Really? :) 18:08:22 I look here and there's more Matrix spam heh 18:08:34 maybe I should finish the relay 2.0 with ability to have puppets on IRC side 18:13:25 DataHoarder: is it possible to make it so the bridge accepts moderations similar to chanserv? 18:13:47 i think the irc side is more invested in balanced moderation 18:16:49 DataHoarder double puppeting bridging is awesome. 18:17:08 not current one, definitely other one cornfeedhobo 18:17:36 yeah and it would be opt-in which shifts the IRC registration to the person in question @rottenwheel:kernal.eu :) 18:17:47 so that's pretty good on Libera chat eyes 18:18:28 Aye, aye. 18:19:17 sounds great. thank you :) 18:19:18 part where I left it was polishing message splitting 18:19:40 specially when message splitting a styled diff 18:19:53 i know how hard and even costly it is to run this stuff and develop it. I appreciate your hard work. thank you! 18:19:58 when someone edits a line in the middle of a 10-line blogpost Matrix 18:20:19 or when lines are merged/split into two 18:20:57 worst UX but best for spam, delay edits a few seconds, then "see here for edit" 18:21:09 current is to output diff if it's just a line or two 18:21:26 anyhow, not simple, as styles can change layouts wildly 18:21:45 case of last 1% taking 90% of the time 18:27:56 it's too bad more networks and clients haven't started implementing ircv3 features which would make this slightly better 19:32:36 yeah that bridge does proper IRCv3 19:32:42 some stuff is still applicable 19:32:51 but replies and other things are waaay nicer 19:33:00 I test on a network with it 19:33:33 libera doesn't yet due to old infra that only supports some few things, but not all the nice to have message tags, though they are working on a new backend that does it 19:35:02 indeed. i had hopes they would get around to it sooner, but i guess they are overloaded 19:35:05 https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/288 19:35:21 these reply tags specifically looked promising, but i feel like they will never land 19:35:42 i think the only UI that ever implemented them was IRC Cloud 19:45:05 The beginning of the collapse for the traditional financial system has begun! 19:45:38 All hail satoshi 20:16:37 <321bob321:monero.social> Craig wright? 20:54:29 they are there already cornfeedhobo 20:54:32 works well 20:54:44 see, it was merged 20:54:57 oh, yeah i meant on libera. i know the spec was merged 20:55:13 that's due to backend not allowing most of the tag that are needed 20:55:13 i forget which server fork libera runs these days 20:55:18 yup 20:55:23 there's a new one they working on that does 20:56:11 solanum afaik 20:56:37 vs what they are working on https://github.com/Libera-Chat/sable 20:57:07 tbh the feature I lack the most is msg_id 20:57:35 with it I would be able to resolve netsplits properly 20:57:55 without it I don't care so I just make the "bot" be the authority for the view 21:01:40 yeah, true 21:02:16 tbh, who can I contact to create an appservice on monero.social (on matrix side) to do tests on this bridge? I would probably attach it first to the p2pool channels to see how it goes 21:02:22 current version is "workable" 21:02:54 i _think_ that would be rottenwheel 21:03:38 tbh i dont know exactly how IRC or matrix works, who owns it, who operates what etc etc 21:03:38 but i guess we need to define some rules to stop crazy people like this corny guy to fuck over a channel because he doesnt feeling it 21:03:40 i dont have the knowledge nor time to operate a server myself 21:03:42 i did donate to both ofrnxmr and monerobulls ccs, not diego this time because i didnt know him and also some questionable drama around missing xmrs and geonic 21:03:44 also plowsof's previous ccs too(missed this one) 21:03:46 all i want is a single person, to manage the community, if we exclude specialized servers, we only have community workgroup for important topics, research, and offtopic for anything outside of these two 21:03:48 its 3 channels overall 21:03:50 now this mf shutting down off-topic 21:03:52 who should i hold responsible? 21:05:42 or if this is not included between their responsibilities 21:05:42 lets just fund another CCS to elect a person to end this mess, organize the main channels, put a list of operators/admins or anyone with moderation power 21:06:13 yeah, moderation on the Matrix side has been meh 21:06:42 and moderation both in the "cleaning spam" and "conversation moderation" sense which always opens a can of worms 21:06:48 tbh i dont know exactly how IRC or matrix works, who owns it, who operates what etc etc 21:06:50 but i guess we need to define some rules to stop crazy people like this corny guy to fuck over a channel because he is not feeling it 21:06:52 i dont have the knowledge nor time to operate a server myself 21:06:54 i did donate to both ofrnxmr and monerobulls ccs, not diego this time because i didnt know him and also some questionable drama around missing xmrs and geonic 21:06:56 also plowsof's previous ccs too(missed this one) 21:06:58 all i want is a single person, to manage the community, if we exclude specialized servers, we only have community workgroup for important topics, research, and offtopic for anything outside of these two 21:07:00 its 3 channels overall 21:07:02 now this mf shutting down off-topic 21:07:04 who should i hold responsible? 21:08:01 dont moderate the conversation if off-topic 21:08:02 mute the person if you dont like him/her 21:08:04 where should people communicate about random things if its not off-topic 21:08:06 dont moderate the conversation in off-topic 21:08:08 mute the person if you dont like him/her 21:08:10 where should people communicate about random things if its not off-topic 21:09:07 moderation was deemed to be a voluntary affair / not funded by the CCS, Diego specifically removed that task(s) from his proposal for example 21:10:06 also worth pointing out that -offtopic has needed moderation only 3 times in the course of 10 years. it's really only when a few characters decide to make it their soap box for one conspiracy or another. 21:10:44 Is anything that doesn't align with a particular moderator's beliefs considered a "conspiracy theory" that should therefore be... censored? 21:10:54 then there was no reason for you to exist there 21:11:44 And when contested, he'd beat his chest claiming he "created!" it so he is on that big horse making unilateral decisions that deter a whole communication channel from participating in the channel? 21:11:49 he was literally taking about bitcoin being a honeypot and another guy sending evidence of side effects of vaccines 21:12:00 Must be clarified, kind sirs! 21:12:37 dukenukem: i was asked about the channel. claiming chest beating is silly. 21:12:58 What about the first question, your honor? 21:13:20 dukenukem: you can look up the logs if you feel so passionate 21:13:25 Anyways, you and your progressive antics gutted -markets activity, thanks for having a go at -offtopic now! 21:13:41 I do not need to, I was reading them as they were coming through, clown. 21:14:12 Smh, the dude doesn't like few lines and nukes the whole relay for the entire channel, he sees nothing wrong with that! 21:14:47 Must be the Moderna QR codes acting up in his bloodstream making his ability to discern between authoritarianism and common sense. 21:16:41 this demonstrates how it went away from discussion and people shouting their beliefs. the point of chat is to chat with others. if you belief people are mind controlled, what is the point? 21:16:51 believe* 21:17:39 -markets died because market activity is low and has been for 6 years. 21:17:53 They were chatting with each other just fine till you nuked the relay. :) 21:17:55 what is the point of censor a offtopic channel, because you think something is a conspiracy theorie because it doesn't fit in your world view? 21:18:11 Sure, Bethany. If that helps you sleep at night... so be it. 21:18:36 Mm? I was pinged? 21:20:04 Diego Salazar 21:20:17 a user that started the vaccine discussion reached the point of telling others that they would be happy to kill them and they should kill themselves. the topic reached it's logical conclusion. this is not about anyone's sensibilities 21:20:26 does anyone know where this matterbridge relay came from? I'm getting close to getting rid of it. all the spam comes from there becaues they lack moderation. 21:20:26 What spam? 21:20:28 it sucks that monero channels are boring an quiet, but that's better than being seen as a place for people to share their crazy ideas 21:20:30 Stop calling mRNA shit a vaccine. It's not a vaccine. It killed millions and works completely differently 21:20:32 Juliu: again, please don't make me mute you. your opinion has been heard :) 21:20:34 Juliu: last time was one hour. this time it will be one day. i hope you calm down :) 21:21:04 ofc its going to die if you prefer a dead channel and mute people left and right 21:21:17 😂😂😂 21:21:38 He already said he prefers dead over conspiracy theories! 21:21:55 Is...matterbridge still running? 21:22:09 what is matterbridge 21:22:19 I think hobo is referring to m-relay... 21:22:24 Certainly not a bridge! 21:22:27 he wasnt the initiator of that topic someone else said that in the middle of the discussion 21:22:36 🌉 21:22:43 A bridge to the mattermost instance we were running once upon a time. 21:22:57 ^ 21:23:17 I thought we spun that down? 21:24:00 afaik that was, but the m-relay remains as the bridge to matrix, because libera shut it down after spam that couldn't be moderated (kinda like this) 21:24:50 so opinions you dislike are spam cornfeedhobo? 21:24:53 you sound like you were getting suppressed by users and forced to read every single line 21:24:54 bro, i didnt saw you since i joined matrix server 6 month ago 21:24:56 you literally came yesterday and suddenly started muting people 21:24:58 you are not even chatting with people there 21:25:22 Damn new brats don't know the grandpappys of Monero 21:25:52 Cornfeedhobo let's get you to bed gramps 21:25:55 . 21:26:12 * cornfeedhobo snors loudly 21:27:04 Thank you real_glitch, please read my dictatorial, bloodthirsty CoC proposal and approve it if you, well... approve it: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/pull/991 21:27:23 Core team has Libera given rights to all #monero- and ##monero- rooms 21:28:06 Meaning anyone can make the rooms and be "mods", but if a core team member emails the libera staff they will override the mods and can institute core as the top level mods. 21:29:07 Matrix is hosted by core on their server infrastructure. Cypher Stack's Dan Miller does the upkeep and maintenance. 21:30:16 Libera Chat is not the only IRC network btw. only libera has reserved the namespace for core. 21:31:47 All that explanation is awfully boring. I was interested in hearing more about the #-off-topic drama, to be honest 21:33:51 Just start your own Monero core 21:35:13 IRC missed an entire 55 minutes of it.. it was wild, ground breaking even 21:36:29 P vs NP will have to wait until tomorrow to be solved 21:37:18 rottenwheel: i thought you were on a strike because of corny guys injustice 21:37:25 rottenwheel: i thought you were on a strike because of corny guy's injustice 21:39:15 real_glitch no haha. I don't care much about that... My room was glitchy, had no profile picture, no title (there were members' usernames instead) and I couldn't add reactions to messages. Leaving and rejoining fixed it. 21:46:43 well its not bad overall but it doesnt have any clear line 21:46:44 like 21:46:46 what is considered spam? corny muting everyone he doesnt like as a spammer 21:46:48 same with being offensive, people will not shy over their belief in a community of "paranoid anarchists" and again managers can make biased judgements 21:46:50 in my opinion if user is not repeating obvious spams like sending random pictures, or corn videos or 100 copy pasted messages at the same time 21:46:52 mods shouldn't tackle it 21:46:54 just put a sign up there that this channel is +18 for not getting prosecuted, no minors 21:46:56 then, adults should use that "MUTE" option more often, you dont like the guy, the crazy guy will get isolated or will behave to some extent to make it possible to communicate with or, leave the chat 21:46:58 instead of playing the role of a teacher in a school, just stop the obvious trolls, bots and random ass crazy mods, that should be good 21:48:54 and yeah, no limitations on possible topics of offtopic channel 21:49:58 I left the room before, because censoring a offtopic room because of topic is off topic is insane for me, unfortunately can't follow anymore, just wanted to throw this here before I'm again afk. Any other room, well, whatever, but offtopic, it's insane to me. 21:56:57 Cornfeed needs to be de-opped, period 21:58:32 Muted the entire bridge because he didnt like the conversation. A convo was that neither demeaning, insultingc 21:59:15 And when i say de-opped, he;ls 21:59:58 He's not opped in the room. He has more power than a regular op. I assume he has ops in all #monero rooms, which is fuckin insane. 22:02:09 Only sane core team members should have such power, and they should remain impartial. Muting and entire bridge bcuz you have 9 jabs, is a you problem. Mute it for yourself. Playing hero and muting it for all irc just shows that youre not cut out for the internet, especially not an offtopic channel 22:41:47 I did this like 11 months ago, but ppl who have power wont step down, and ppl who can make them are too gentle to do so ++ everybody is afraid of letting me handle biz myself 22:42:58 This = wrote a list of changes to moderators and admins for each room from whatever nonsense we have now to stuff that actually makes sense 22:48:41 (did this before i was banned btw) 22:49:11 i guess we need to put this on agenda and conclude it once and for all 22:49:29 they wont step down 22:50:08 but yeah, putting on agenda and proving a point would be a step in the right direction 22:50:30 just make another one if its impossible to kick them out and start fresh 22:50:32 better then getting nuked every once and a while 22:50:34 ofc after reaching a consensus with the community 22:56:21 Need to debridge from matrix.org if we do that 22:56:59 #monero:matrix.org and #monero:monero.social is taken, for example. 23:00:24 ofrnxmr: btw do we have any doc or section to explain how someone can become part of the core team, their responsibility, name/username of every single one of them, and in what condition they will be removed/retire from the core 23:00:57 Invite-only 23:01:16 And core leaves whenever they feel like it, and often they dont tell anyone when they do 23:01:35 Core today is essentially luigi and binary 23:01:42 its like you throw a dice and every 1 out 3 is part of the core, or mod or operator or someone with some weird authority 23:01:58 Articmine is also core, but he doesnt get involved in the steering of monero 23:03:11 so 23:03:12 luigi, binary, arcticmine for core 23:03:14 your, monerobull, plowsof, diego with moderation for now? 23:03:18 so 23:03:18 luigi, binary, arcticmine for core 23:03:20 you, monerobull, plowsof, diego with moderation for now? 23:03:39 i send you a pic in dm of my old list 23:03:50 There are some holes there 23:10:43 It is an invite-only workgroup. 23:10:55 You'd have to be invited by one of the current Core team members. 23:11:25 Lol, ofrn moderator? 🤣 23:12:26