00:13:46 https://github.com/everoddandeven/monerod-gui/releases/tag/v1.0.0 00:14:36 RPM package now available 00:28:29 Donations are appreciated, including to the bounty for this project 🙏 00:35:26 Post bounty link 00:35:59 https://bounties.monero.social/posts/8/8-501m-desktop-service-gui-for-running-a-monero-node-on-boot-in-the-background 03:38:12 anyone got any news on the big XMR move down? 03:41:34 Looks like bots on the BTSE exchange. I am not sure why XMR is correlated with the crypto market when it goes down, but not when it goes up. 03:41:37 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/DWsXLESoVNAXZHqVKTAXrcWK 03:48:53 Do we have a room for you around here, huh... googlemozilla check your invites. 07:03:55 the down is quickly 07:03:56 not noly xmr 07:03:59 and other coin also this 07:04:45 l still have 600 xmr, but l don't sell,l think the price will back $170 above 07:11:26 dont say how many coins you have 07:11:31 but yeah, xmr will probably recover 07:26:25 yes,thanks your remind 07:36:45 you know,because not like zcash and dash,can see on chain,so not receive some exchanges,maybe exchange need everyone to see on chain in future, 09:31:09 the privacy narrative is very muted currently,but it will return later in the cycle. We should focus on making the technology more frictionless by then 09:36:52 l hope so 09:50:18 sethforprivacy: Did you try to PM me on Matrix? 10:29:56 crypto.news, newest article on our coingecko 10:29:59 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/oeMEKZNoeKOSecmYNCCoZUIn 10:30:02 https://crypto.news/5-best-monero-wallets-to-explore-in-2025/ 10:31:46 is this revenge for not letting them sponsor monerokon or something 12:50:10 # 💝💖❤️‍🔥Hey baby! Im Alina, I love getting rough and dirty, wanna join? On my page is lots of NUDITY😘🥰😍 https://fyne.short.gy/impussy 12:50:11 # 💖🫧💝Cums in a young girl's pussy, ass and mouth❤️‍🔥🫧💖 https://fyne.short.gy/4kporn 12:50:59 <0xfffc:monero.social> [@plowsof:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@plowsof:matrix.org)and other mods. 12:52:11 Adoption is more interesting than price at the moment. XMR is back up to processing 35000 transactions per day at the weekly peak, a 50% increase from the start of the month. 12:57:00 Adoption and price are correlated 12:57:20 Adoption, liquidity and value-per-unit* 12:58:54 You cant have onboard 100m with 0.1xmr each, at 18m market cap, and expect xmr to be useful beyond buying a candy bar 12:59:02 100m people* 13:00:01 Just sayin' a new set of users might be discovering Monero 13:00:32 significantly more actual users actually using xmr requires the inherit value to increase 13:01:39 ppl who say that a 3b market cap (155usd/xmr) is viable, arent actually pro-adoption 13:02:31 inherent value can be recontextualized. If recent transaction volume is an indicator the context changed in the first week of November. 13:02:40 The supply need to be distributed, and to do that the per-unit value needs to increase 13:03:13 not disagreeing just sayin' there's more to look at than price only 13:03:20 Without the per-unit value increasing, users need to hold large amounts of 18m total supply 13:04:13 If every user held just 1600usd in xmr (~10xmr), that would only allow 1.8m users 13:04:49 (i havent eaten today so my math might not be mathing) 13:04:50 an economist might mention things like velocity of money and inflation 13:05:50 What matters is that there are 18m xmr and that is barely enough to support 1 major city at current values 13:06:37 if one is treating monero as an investment the interesting story is what happens tomorrow, more than what happens today. 13:06:53 larger community = good 13:06:55 bitcoin has a similar issue. Their tx throughput at ~500k tx/day is barely enough for 1 city. 13:07:17 Nothing happens tomorrow if everyone holds 500xmr 13:07:26 Adoption is the opposite of hoarding large portions 13:07:35 Whats 18m / 500? 13:07:43 bUt LigNtIng is Ze SolUTION! 13:07:53 wrong reply 13:08:40 na that is always the correct reply /s 13:09:09 Syn meant to reply to this, i believe 13:09:43 <0xfffc:monero.social> What is the general consensus about lighting? There is too much good publicity around it. 13:10:02 Useful af but centralized and completely transparent 13:10:21 useful af? I hear of many problems 13:10:28 <0xfffc:monero.social> Where is the centralization point? I am not deeply familiar with it. 13:10:52 do you know the basics of how it works? 13:10:54 me neither but if i understood correctly you need to connect to lightning nodes which have full power over the funds 13:11:03 enlight us 13:11:21 dunno i'm the perfect person for it but ok will try 13:12:12 lightning nodes are connected with liquidity channels. To pay from one node to another you need a route between the nodes that can handle the liquidity you want. 13:12:30 the ideal case would be a direct connection with the full amount, but then you need to open a bunch of channels 13:12:33 <0xfffc:monero.social> And they are permission-less nodes? Or restrictions on how you can become a node. 13:12:49 in practice what happens is most users connect to central hubs to route payment efficiently 13:13:17 hub and spoke model is what things tend to 13:14:03 if the only way you could send a payment is through a route with a bunch of channels, every single channel needs the liquidity available to handle the payment which can be prohibitive 13:14:17 so this inherently centralizes the network around a few major connections. makes sense, yeh? 13:14:31 indeed make sense 13:15:17 many other issues like you need to be constantly online to make sure funds aren't stolen 13:15:42 then people need to set up servers and watchtowers and monitors oh my 13:16:46 and during high layer 1 fees someone can force the channel you opened with them to close cause they want their money right now, and then you get stuck paying the L1 fee 13:16:48 no fun at all 13:18:11 wow 13:18:13 thats shit 13:18:27 reinforce me in the opinion nostr fanatics are really dumb 13:18:49 hopefully with fcmp bringing transaction chaining we can get better L2 13:18:57 well... it ain't the magic wand that gets waved to solve the world's problems. 13:19:18 L2 monero would be awesome :) 13:20:50 https://github.com/davidshares/Lightning-Network 13:21:08 mamma mia 13:21:35 prolly biased af but an example of the abundance of reading material for anyone to look at 13:21:46 "June 26, 2017: Mathematical Proof That the Lightning Network Cannot Be a Decentralized Bitcoin Scaling Solution" 13:21:50 that looks like a good one lol 13:25:05 the only restriction is making the L1 transaction to create the payment channel afaik 13:32:12 other things can be far more exciting. shielded client side validation is a cool thing I don't totally understand but if any of you plan on seeing Liam Eagen at monerotopia you can talk to him about it 13:41:14 Whats 18m / 500? <<>> = 36,000 also 500xmr currently is $75k 13:41:41 75k = meh 13:42:01 Please pump after you have finished eating 13:47:20 XMR will be up by 100$ with new website 14:23:09 anchoc when you say l2 monero, do you mean monero as a l2 on btc, or l2 on top of monero? 14:23:38 L2 on top of monero 15:06:31 what about L2 at the bottom of monero? 15:18:37 Just put it on top then flip it over 15:19:49 ++ 18:35:20 ⚠️ FYI. Today @ 20:00 CET is the first public ticket sale for 38c3! 18:35:44 plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org do better! plowsof 18:39:45 <321bob321:monero.social> @monerobull#2546 ^ 19:01:24 Why did rotten send spam 19:04:56 porque rotten es un puto 19:05:39 xenu cállate, mejicano wannabe! 19:06:05 porque tiene un bussy :p 19:06:13 i'll see myself out 19:06:20 ?????? soy mexicano 19:13:34 xenu quisieras tú, puto. 19:20:57 a nadie le gustas 19:21:08 puto mierda 19:23:33 i don't understand spanish but I can feel love in their words 19:28:15 rotten es mi amor 19:30:27 Puta 19:41:50 Esta usando este software de traduccion de forma incorrecta por favor consulta el manual 19:44:02 Something about "the software doesnt work, RTFM" 19:44:25 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/kernal.eu/ZseOqxpQcvecvAaekHvGYBMq 19:44:29 DOGE on X. 😂😂😂 19:51:16 Hi everyone! I'm new to this chat and I'm trying to learn more about Monero. I came across an article that claims Monero isn't secure, and I'm curious to know if anyone here can help clarify whether that's true or not. 19:51:42 this was the joke... 19:51:47 https://substack.com/home/post/p-148796311 19:51:48 omg 19:51:55 https://techleaks24.substack.com/p/how-ai-can-perform-key-image-analysis 19:52:28 i created a thread so it won't pollute the chat. If anyone could clarify it for me, i'd be thankful 19:52:46 trust me you should pollute the chat because we all have ADHD 19:53:11 xD that's good enough 19:54:14 Regarding your first link know that what has been observed on chain analysis video has already been known. There was nothing new and it doesn't deserve the statement "Monero isn't secure." It is. Everyone has always recommended to use your own node or node that you trust. 19:54:21 Pollutedkt with t***leaks24's website 19:54:40 Monero Offtopic 19:54:59 Should go with the anti-vaxxer spam for cornfeedhobo to moderate 19:55:39 -_- bro is probably genuinely asking no need to put him in the trash 19:55:53 I'm joking about hobo 19:56:02 oh alr sry 19:56:07 sorry if i bothered 19:56:16 NO YOU DON'T 19:56:19 Hobo muted the whole bridge when he didnt like the convo in offtopic 19:57:19 As for the AI thingy i think there was a MAGIC grant but i don't remember what was the conclusion 19:57:41 Monero is secure and that source is garbage 19:57:43 hmmm, the article says that "it wasn't" debunked and there were more than ip logging, but i can't understand enough of it because i don't know that much of cryptocurrencies 19:57:49 but t***keaks incontinence is pretty wasteful use of energy. 19:57:49 is a better topic for offtopic 19:57:52 That's all bullshit by a butthurt DERO shill. kayabaNerve had some confrontation with him on X because he neglected to pay the bounty he put up if anyone succeeded at breaking (deanonymizing) DERO txs., to which kayaba submitted a working PoC for and the rest is... well... history, for lack of a better word. 19:58:00 (im not inglesh) 19:58:20 *leaks is a dero bagholder 19:58:21 so he's famous? 19:58:23 I don't! 19:58:26 so he's "famous" here? 19:58:27 Dero was deanonymized and *leaks lost a 10k bet 19:58:45 *leaks didnt pay up 19:58:48 Responded in thread. 👍 19:59:04 thanks 19:59:07 obviously we're biased since we're part of the Monero community. I can believe ofrnxmr on his opinion of this website. There was nothing to be debunked in the first place. As said earlier, everything that has been observed here was known. Dandelion++ cannot protect you if you use malicious nodes 19:59:09 So he pretends that monero isn't private, when dero is the chain that isnt private 19:59:33 oh. techleaks24 is a dero shill? 19:59:39 And yes, chainalysis only traced the tx because the user used a spy node via their clearnet io address 19:59:51 Yes 20:00:17 sathanas: to be clear, chainanalysis wasn't able to determine the amount and recipients 20:00:25 so that means i shouldn't use a: 20:00:27 free node (not mine) even if im over tor, right? 20:00:28 I don't think we should pretend that key image analysis isn't possible 20:00:38 hmm that's godo 20:00:42 They were able to determine the amount and recipient 20:01:05 The amount was sent to a compliant swapper, and the recipient was the swapper 20:01:17 fuck you ofrnxmr. now it make me look like I have other things to do when all the fuzz of this video happened! (it was tha case i had other things to do) 20:01:50 The attack was honestly trash 20:01:57 what /whois this "swapper" in question? 20:02:27 ok yeah so they weren't able to determine the amount per the transaction itself only because they used malicious exchange 20:02:31 does it means that they attacked themselves? 20:02:33 cryptocurrency swapper => exchange crypto to crypto 20:02:35 there were a few swappers in their video that were lisred as "fbi" or "irs" 20:02:40 Like changenow and morphtoken 20:02:41 We can debate how effective key image analysis would be or whether, when combined with other data sources, information about particular users can be ascertained. However, unless we know what data sources are being aggregated we have no idea how much surveillance can be done (in reality). 20:03:17 isn't 'key image analysis' a misnomer? 20:04:04 It means that the attack was EAE and that the feds were monitoring bith E's AND the node used by A 20:04:05 One can analyse key images. But it won't "break" privacy gaurentees by itself (as i understand it). 20:04:25 One can analyse key images < how? 20:05:35 specifically, what information do you get from the key image? Everything I read is talking about ring signatures and decoy elimination. 20:06:07 Right. They didnt break the privacy. Which is why ****leaks is still a scammer and a liar 20:06:23 I would hazard a guess there are all sorts of ways. I am not an expert. A "key image" is just a data point. 20:06:26 Bro don't wanna take the L on his shitcoin 20:06:34 not even FOSS 20:06:49 0 developers 20:06:57 Still broken to this day 20:07:05 Cryptographically broken 20:07:45 I think I remember Dero spamming r/monero with bots when I just joined the community 20:07:58 Not off chain social engineering, but actually broken where the sender, receiver, amounts AND messages are all public. Dev lost on a boating trip 20:08:03 https://xcancel.com/kayabaNerve/status/1837879397891629469#m 20:09:12 https://xcancel.com/kayabaNerve/status/1833316891697250421#m 20:09:58 Must be annoying af to be right because you never share something wrong 20:13:59 The really annoying part is how to demonstrate that the accusation is BS to an audience with no background in cryptography. 20:14:17 So in the end, this "techleaks" is attempting to sell his "coin" by bulls***ing monero? 20:14:57 that could be boiled down to that 20:17:59 Monero is basically the battle-tested private cryptocurrency, it is used everywhere by everyone on the darknet, it implements a lot of sound cryptography. The guy on the chainanalysis video is even acknowledging the effort of the Monero dev community. Dero on the other hand was an ambitious project of privacy cryptocurrency but KayabaNerve (Developer, Informal cryptographer, Lead of Serai Decentralized Exchange, I could go on...) has discovered a critical vulnerability in Dero privacy which ultimately lead to sparks and hate to the Monero community for that. 20:18:55 Every communities have fanatics, Monero included. And Dero ones really did get embarassed on Twitter after asking kayabanerve to reveal the amount of a specific address... which he did 10 minute later 20:19:14 then proceeded to gaslight people, etc... this was quite the show 20:21:54 SO he started attacking monero right after his coin was "debunked", right? 20:23:11 Fanatics? yeah they started right away confidently telling kayabanerve was wrong despite being able to reveal the amount, sender and recipients. Fwiw debunk isn't the correct word here. Dero was really a private cryptocurrency it just suffered a critical vulnerability, it wasn't a scam which the word debunk could imply. 20:24:07 Dero was still far from perfect tho. It's not Free and Open Source, Core team was unknown, Didn't respond to KayabNerve attempt to disclose the vulnerability. 20:25:42 I'm not using Dero after what i heard about the developer in question, but do you consider it's technlogies relatively good? 20:25:46 I'm not using Dero after what i heard about the developer in question, but do you consider it's technologies relatively good? 20:26:38 Sorry I'm not knowledgeable on Dero's underlying cryptography. ofrnxmr or someone else might know that more than me 20:26:48 I doubt this is the place to ask about DERO 20:26:49 It should be clear that the source you linked is not credible, and his claims are nonsense. 20:27:23 ok, thank you 20:27:25 I wouldn't want a beginner/newcomer to be greeted with a *Your research are worthless*. He deserved to be convinced 20:27:40 was worthless* 20:28:20 Its not as great as claimed 20:28:48 thank you for being acceptive 20:28:52 i'm not used to the rules yet 20:29:00 They claimed to be FHE but are only lartial, their account model still relies on decoys. They have a lot of problems 20:29:01 so i'll start asking non-related stuff in offtopic 20:29:04