04:21:30 "Key image triangulation" is a made-up term used by people who don't know what they're talking about. When used, they're almost always talking about decoy elimination, which has nothing to do with key images 04:21:43 What the hell is key image triangulation 04:21:43 Lol 04:21:47 Triangulation? 04:23:27 A term used by dero folk 04:23:36 It doesnt make any sense 04:23:51 Yeah... a simple search explains what a key image is 04:24:13 AFAIK it is pretty much irrelevant 04:24:18 In statistical analysis 04:25:14 You actually can do "key image analysis" if you happened to own a functioning quantum computer with enough qbits to tackle Ed25519 efficiently. 04:25:32 Then you would be able to get the public key of the correct spend? 04:26:59 Yup! Just solving for the discrete log of the image against a hash of the output pubkey 04:27:14 Until FCMP++ that is 04:27:18 Right, thanks for confirming 04:27:22 Yeah, ring signature model gets eliminated 04:28:16 I am yet to familiarize myself with FCMP++ innerworkings... 04:29:12 That paper midipoet linked doesnt use key images in the analysis, its GOAL was to associste output pubkeys to key images, since that's what it means to trace Monero 04:30:50 Well beyond that, the composition proof in FCMP++ cryptographically blinds output pubkeys against key images which thwarts DLP solvers from extracting the true spend 04:31:23 I have a lot of reading to do 😅 04:32:54 An early version of FCMP++ didnt have this property and the transaction graph would still be traceable retroactively to a quatum computer 04:33:06 Will you be at Monerokon recanman? 04:33:19 Yes! 04:33:21 Topia* 04:33:26 Oh... no 04:33:37 I have a midterm on the first day :( 04:33:41 Ah dang 04:34:15 Yeah, too bad. Would be great to talk more at MoneroKon next year. Looking forward to your talks 04:34:41 Well shameless plug i will talk about it some in my talk as background info because i sense that it isnt well understood 04:34:59 That being forward secrecy 04:35:06 Good luck! 04:35:30 I've briefly glanced over the this, very interesting work 04:36:30 Thank you! Coincidentally it involves cryptography, but very far from ECC lol 04:36:55 Oh nice, what kind ? 04:37:20 Public key cryptography, modular arithmetic, etc. 04:38:06 Nice 04:38:17 Cryptography is an interest of mine but I'm still 5+ years from considering myself 'good'. Still very elementary 04:38:27 Courses like that really help you appreciate whats going on 04:38:50 Heads up, youre always going to feel like that lmao 04:39:03 Yeah, you're right. Good is the wrong word to use 04:39:30 Theres always someone way better than you at crypto 04:40:15 Applies everywhere but especially in theory (mathematics, computer science, etc.) 04:40:20 physics as well 04:40:36 Yup 06:42:11 Hi everyone🙂 what are you discussin there, guys? 06:42:24 Hi everyone🙂 what are you discussing there, guys? 06:43:53 nothing terrorism related that's for sure 11:10:45 False modesty 11:11:36 It’s admirable but you’re clearly gifted 12:37:33 i just wanted to state 12:37:35 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/QHBdhZCTtxeAiVnQBtAEnVdi 12:38:35 if @monero ever tweets anything like this, monero has failed and we can all go home 12:53:42 The price did go up. 13:12:03 ltc has always had a bit of a bootlicker vibe 13:31:28 or should I say an air of desperation 13:35:20 They are mergemined with doge but not "performing" as well. Though i'm pretty sure ltc has far more on-chain use than doge (for now) 13:41:11 doge and ltc are merge mined? 13:41:15 I did not know that 13:46:21 they are used mainly as a gambling on ramp, right? 13:46:37 if i remember correctly that was the market they were going after 13:47:08 doge? I dont know anyone who holds any non-custodially 13:47:17 no i mean ltc 13:47:43 its memes all the way down 13:48:08 they are working for their bags 13:48:45 seems a bit forced ngl 13:48:53 they also made some lester meme 13:50:23 and an xmr onramp 13:50:48 at least according to a few “how to buy xmr” 13:50:54 guides 13:57:50 the tech competency of the average monero holder is very high compared to all other coins 13:58:27 only machine that litecoin holders can operate is the slot machine 14:01:18 To be in, i think i have paid for stuff in Litecoin more than any other currency 14:01:24 *be honest 14:01:52 how does one send litecoin privately? I've heard that it added mimble wimble for privacy but I don't think it's by default and I'm not sure how effective the implementation is for private transactions 14:02:55 cake wallet added mweb accounts for ltc but I haven’t tried it 14:04:11 real world update: MoneroTopia kicks off in 4 hours and it’s a perfect day in Mexico City 14:04:33 mimble wimble is not privacy tech it is "scaling tech". but now aptos sui solana will leave it in the dust. has neither the ngU meme nor privacy 14:07:24 Doug and Sunita hit the nail on the head by picking CDMX. 20 million people and not a lot of other cryptos competing for their attention. Great opportunity for Monero. 14:10:15 geonic: Will there be a live stream? 14:10:32 Yes, ajs is here and in charge of that 14:10:46 I think it’s ticketed though 14:18:55 we do need to work on clearing some of those shitcoins off the schedule though 14:19:05 WIP 14:19:51 Ticketed as in you need a ticket do watch the livestream? 14:20:15 yep I think so. let me confirm 14:25:29 answer is yes. https://monerotopia.com/product/virtual-tickets/ 14:28:43 I see, think it would have been better to have the stream public 14:30:09 fully agree 14:31:03 let’s see how many virtual tix they sell and maybe next year we can crowdfund that portion 14:39:01 I get why they might want it this way. With virtual tickets allowing people to participate in Q&A the price gates trolling, and they do post all the talks after the conference. 14:43:36 Doug and Sunita hit the nail on the head by picking CDMX. 20 million people and not a lot of other cryptos competing for their attention. Great opportunity for Monero. <<>> we even have a Spanish name ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 14:51:06 Yep 14:53:34 rolls off the tongue 15:40:05 Monero ist great. 15:48:18 From what I understand you have to move your litecoin into "extension blocks" , so its tx live in a different place in the litecoin blocks. 15:48:19 From them you can send to another addresse that live in "extension blocks", so not only it's an extra moving part for you (and we can probably know that you moved coins into extension blocks). But the recipient have to support it too and once they got the coins they can peg-out to make them back into normal blocks, kind of ztrash at the end, but work different and feel more compli 15:48:21 cated than ztrash. 15:48:23 So at the end there is less than 0.0001% of the transaction that use that MWEB tech. 15:48:25 Plus anyone can see when mweb tx occure (it glow) 15:49:27 No exchange afaik support mweb (kind of z address z-trash where only supposed by kyc.gemini exchange) 15:49:46 No exchange afaik support mweb (kind of z address z-trash where only supposed by kyc.gemini exchange, defeating all the purpose) 15:53:00 and mimble wimble only has a benefit against those that are not watching and keeping track of txs 15:53:36 so not against analysis companies 15:54:43 extension blocks? is this a mimble wimble concept? yeah this seems complicated. 16:16:24 any grin baggies here? 16:17:26 their mining algorithm was also interesting 16:18:06 do both parties need to be online in the litecoin implementation? 16:18:42 no 16:19:11 Afaik, non. 17:02:39 The MAGIC Monero Fund got an application: "Build a plugin for embedding dApps into Wordpress websites" https://github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund/issues/38 17:03:02 Community feedback is appreciated :) 17:47:37 Hahaha, you don't know me at all. How can you conclude this? 17:52:09 Oh, very interesting 17:56:20 thanks for the explanation! it's more clear and succinct than anything I've read. 19:16:51 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Looks like it got rm -rf 19:20:19 GitHub still has the original version, just use the "Edited" dropdown. We will probably never know now however what a "Monero dApp" is :) 19:21:06 That's the beauty of version control systems: It's hard to make them forget something. 19:25:12 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Rb doing version analysis 19:35:41 kayaba’s FCMP++ talk starting now 19:37:01 ask him when? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 19:38:13 next year™️ 19:48:56 https://imgur.com/a/4Tvtwkk 19:50:00 was wrong, he just said development should be finished next month and then audits can start 19:51:12 Carrot is next but can be deployed after FCMPs go live so shouldn’t slow us down 19:56:57 here’s the when on Serai: https://imgur.com/a/qUehwqM 20:00:04 Thank you 20:14:38 IMHO carrot should be released at the same time as FCMP so only 1 HF needed. I think that carrot might not need a HF but it would be short sighted to rush FCMP and leave carrot behind as it is significant enough wallet improvement that everyone should be using it. 20:15:04 ofc timing will determine the decision 20:15:10 sorry serai 20:16:03 this is from the reality that hardforks are difficult to do quickly 20:18:03 geonic: Dev, distinct from integration 20:18:43 Carrot can be deployed after. It won't be. It will be done at the same time and has been worked on in parallel to not be a delay. 20:29:58 thanks for clarifying kayabanerve 20:32:02 hey luke, posted this in the live chat but it didn't get directed to you: have you considered any hypothetical deanonymization attacks that could impact fcmps? 20:37:34 since they will deployed together I once again suggest the name of FCMP++ be changed to Rabbit to go along with Carrot 20:37:48 serious or ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ? 20:38:07 There's still some such as amount of inputs/outputs/fees paid. 20:39:02 There's also assumptions made about how you prove (a locally built tree which is built while syncing the valid chain with the most work) 21:24:32 +1 for Rabbit 21:24:36 😁