05:39:16 not bad except the AI voice makes me tune out 09:00:04 Who operated monerologs.net 09:00:08 Operates* 10:04:19 I need all the data ever recorded if possible, to train corpus text AI model, for all monitored channels 10:11:34 How would you even train an AI model, anyway? Wouldn't you need a lot more data than what exists on monerologs? 10:22:07 I would use a base model, or retrieval mechanisms. I wouldn’t necessarily ‘fit’ the data into the model. But would give the AI sufficient ‘tools’ with specific inputs to those tools and the AI would be able to choose which tool is most appropriate to use given the query from the user. It might decide it needs to use the timescale dimension, of index messages by person ch 10:22:09 atting. Or what happened between this date and this date. 10:22:11 You might ask it something like: 10:22:13 How positive is the sentiment on Haveno right now? And it could elasticsearch ‘tool’ all of the Haveno related data either by embedding semantics or just by keywords for a recent date, searching both chats and Reddit and productivity rates on GitHub for example. Then use expanded scope on those keyword origins to get a greater context to make decisions on. 10:22:15 My main focus is getting the Haveno multiplatform app out today or tomorrow. But it would be nice to have some data to work with after cause I’m bored shirtless of this app now. Pretty much all just DevOps work at this point getting it built properly and too a standard F-Droid will accept. 10:23:23 You can get base models from huggingface.co but I still prefer to use gpt4 as a context window 10:23:58 That's really pretty smart. 10:24:20 Nothing really compares to OpenAI yet at all 10:25:28 Hopefully a leak will come out soon however I’m sure based on the size of their model in TB/PB it will be kinda hard ‘leak’ the same way snowden did 10:30:08 Monero is significantly undervalued right now 10:30:22 It should be around double 10:31:47 It keeps bouncing in market cap from position 23 - 50 10:31:58 No other crypto currencies do that 10:33:45 There is either an infinite money glitch in it that no one has caught on to yet or the delisting are doing it, but realistically with Reto already released you can fake reserves anymore, so it should be going up. I guess not enough people know about Haveno yet. 10:34:02 There is either an infinite money glitch in it that no one has caught on to yet or the delisting are doing it, but realistically with Reto already released you can’t fake reserves anymore, so it should be going up. I guess not enough people know about Haveno yet. 10:35:14 Delistings have had a positive effect on Monero, and we wrote extensively about this in the markets channel. 10:35:39 I didn’t read it but I’m glad you concur, but relatively, they’ve drastically worsened in value 10:37:40 I don’t usually raise these types of topics but I am beginning to become concerned about something, I was looking at some stats, it appears 2 mining organisations if paired together owns more than 60% of the hash rate 10:38:28 If I’m not mistaken, they could collaborate a 51% attack 10:40:08 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/PVgPlamlYmHpqPFcAGDoxckt 10:40:29 So I recognise this to be a serious problem 10:41:31 Or am I talking utter nonsense? 10:41:39 Not organizations, but centralized pools. It's no secret that botnets own majority of the hash rate on these pools. For them, 10:41:41 getting infected computers to mine using these pools is preferable to p2pool (which requires more installation and is easier to detect). However, I highly doubt that botnet operators would ever cooperate with each other. 10:42:01 Not organizations, but centralized pools. It's no secret that botnets own majority of the hash rate on these pools. For them, getting infected computers to mine using these pools is preferable to p2pool (which requires more installation and is easier to detect). However, I highly doubt that botnet operators would ever cooperate with each other. 10:43:08 Why would they not it would benefit them both on double spending 10:44:15 And it’s untraceable, so we’d never know. 10:45:48 I’m trying to wrap my head around botnets being preferable to p2p 10:50:44 Game theory. What we have here is a classic illustration of the coordination problem. Multiple botnet operators (unknown number) would need to converge on a specific strategy of double spending the network. This requires not only agreement but also trust among participants and the use of a common pool. In practice, such cooperation is unfeasible. 10:50:45 Bitcoin faced a similar challenge initially. However, as more honest miners joined the network, the problem diminished and this is happening on Monero with the increasing adoption of p2pool by honest miners. 10:57:13 I guess I don’t yet have deep enough knowledge on the full Monero protocol, but my understanding is that the coordination would only need to happen between the person who owns the domains of the pool 11:53:02 One of those pools is owned by monero guy. and i think there are 2 types of "botnets". Blackops feds using server farms, and blackhat monero supporters - protecting from the former 14:50:57 kewbit.org: A common misconception. Double-spend 51% attacks on Monero are observable to every node. I know this because I've 51% attacked a testnet of a Monero fork. The node prints messages about the blockchain re-organization. 15:51:06 ofrnxmr: BasicSwap has a Matrix room, right? What's the address? 16:20:54 BasicSwapDEX (BSX) 16:22:27 no 16:22:55 there is no place where you could realistically double spend enough to make it worth it 16:23:16 its way easier to just have your literal free money printer to keep printing vs trying to disrupt the network 16:23:41 The basicswap room isn't discoverable with a search of matrix.org rooms, AFAIK. 16:25:19 Lack of liquidity protects against 51% double-spends *taps head* 16:31:43 <4rkal:monero.social> New Monero archive vanity link! 16:31:45 <4rkal:monero.social> http://archiv32ihkwhf26umylx3u7tgatrxnwokn7wg46xifpcxrgjibab3id.onion/ 16:31:47 <4rkal:monero.social> Also available on clearnet git.4rkal.com 16:39:19 I was a little surprised that the BasicSwap dev at MoneroTopia hadn't heard of either Farcaster or COMIT 16:44:07 rucknium: https://camarainformativa.com/2024/11/20/monerotopia-2024-de-la-criptomoneda-monero-celebro-su-segunda-edicion-en-mexico/ 16:44:40 there's 5-6 more but this is maybe the best one in terms of content. I'll type up a report soon and include links 16:45:07 geonic: Is there an English article as well? 16:45:20 no, all Spanish-language media 16:46:15 Thanks, geonic 16:46:48 geonic: ty, will use translate then :P 16:47:16 that should work :) 16:57:33 There was another one that hosted up-to-date archives of Monero ecosystem related projects. What was it? 🤔 16:59:25 Librejo, no? 16:59:42 Yeah, thanks. 17:00:11 https://librejo.monerodevs.org/ 17:04:44 > finalizó Andrés, uno de los organizadores del evento. 17:04:45 anhdres 🤨 17:14:17 Jajaja that shows you cannot trust media 17:14:20 “Para nosotros, Monero simboliza libertad. Saber que gozamos de total privacidad en esas transacciones o en nuestras cuentas es lo que motiva a los usuarios a seguir utilizando Monero, lo cual lo hace muy diferente a otras criptomonedas”, finalizó Andrés, uno de los organizadores del evento. 17:14:45 There's no way I've said specifically that 17:15:03 Well, it could be worse 17:36:51 sounds good either way 😄 18:16:55 "the BasicSwap dev at MoneroTopia hadn't heard of either Farcaster or COMIT" geonic - not a dev 18:27:15 who was he? 18:29:00 ah, communications @ basicswap. https://monerotopia.com/event/aaron-diaz/ 18:35:47 still, I’d expect them to know what those are and how basicswap differs from them 18:49:50 <123bob123:matrix.org> Not there app, so probably doesnt care 19:50:15 who cares what solutions already exist when u have 3000 xmr to spend 19:51:18 interoperability is overrated too 19:54:19 Im pissed of right now my butter sandwich is utterly bad can you geonic and ofrnxmr stop fighting in each other while i'm enjoying this afk/inactive channel 20:12:56 <321bob321:monero.social> ^ instigator 20:44:27 I don't even know how much we paid for that but... 20:44:52 4-5 pics and 10 paragraphs and that's the 'best' of the 5-6 'reports'... 20:45:07 I don't even want to check nor know how much the CCS was for... 20:46:49 But now you are one of the organizers! Free credit! 20:47:07 My opinion is for next year we need to focus in working with local crypto/econ influencers and their communities and not so much general news media. 20:48:44 Don't be jealous, I'm sure we can find a fake title for you as well 20:49:03 No lmao, I'm good. 21:17:18 <321bob321:monero.social> They can afford it 21:23:37 <321bob321:monero.social> Oops 21:23:43 <321bob321:monero.social> Wrong room 21:50:30 anhdres: is the rumour true that you literally said those exact words?? 21:51:56 Damn, ITS TRUE IVE SAID IT ALL 22:17:30 I agree the value isn’t there. I told them as much. The other 5-6 articles are basically just a copy-paste of the press release. They said they’ll make it up, I want to see how. 22:23:03 https://imgur.com/a/JqAuAqE 22:23:51 WIP 22:29:28 whats 36.67xmr between friends and a few local journalists.. its nearly christmas too. have a heart 22:32:57 good news is we didn't go for the expensive paper ad so we have $2500 left over. maybe we can make some Czech journalists happy :D 22:34:05 e.g. https://www.vertigopolitico.com/finanzas/notas/criptomoneda-monero-celebro-su-segunda-edicion-en-mexico 22:34:23 the pic alone makes me want to barf lol 22:36:35 looks like ©️👉️🏆️👈️ but a bit more satanic 22:37:10 the empty chairs kill me 22:37:52 theres about 16 chairs there as a metaphor 22:37:55 the audience are standing behind the photographer 22:39:07 <321bob321:monero.social> Is this for monerotopia pr thing? 22:39:41 the chairs do look look slightly moved, so they have been sat in at some point which makes me hopeful 22:39:45 "who cares what solutions already exist when u have 3000 xmr to spend" << i dont pay him anything 22:40:42 https://emprefinanzas.com.mx/2024/11/18/monerotopia-2024-de-la-criptomoneda-monero-celebro-su-segunda-edicion-en-mexico/ 22:40:44 ^ another copy-paste job 22:40:55 Ccs doesnt scope conferences or marketing, at all, and i dont plan to spend any of the ccs of anything like thay 22:41:30 Also, the ccs amount is not in my hands. I couldnt pay him even if i wanted to 22:41:41 ofrnxmr: my point is that BasicSwap, as a recipient of substantial support from the CCS, should be aware of what other solutions exist for the problem they're solving 22:42:03 I am not basicswap. I am the recipient of the ccs 22:42:25 Basicswap devs know VERY WELL what farcaster and comit are 22:42:42 who hired him? blame them :D 22:43:51 if i get cast to play cinderella im taking that $ and putting those glass heels on 22:44:34 the assumption that ccs pays for conference appearances is nonsense 22:44:59 Its a dev ccs, and were busy devving. Whatever happens at monerotopia is none of my concern 22:45:13 Next time call me and i'll present remotely 22:47:36 And the assumption that basicswap doesn't know about other solutions is also nonsense. Basicswap has support for comit type swaps as well as adaptor sigs and bch style swaps 22:51:30 I expect geonic to know the technical side of how crytography differs between zano and monero /s 22:51:51 Or the difference between equihash and scrypt 22:52:24 "And bcuz geonic doesnt know, monero devs dont know" 22:54:35 Basicswap devs are particl devs and have been around for many years and have worked with people like shen noether. Confusing someone presenting at a conference with someone who works on the codebase is ridiculous. Could he have been better prepared? sure. Is that my problem? No 23:03:19 I just said what happened at the conference, didn't mean to trigger you 23:05:01 btw I'm not the Head of Comms for Monero but I could talk about the major differences between Monero and Zcash for example 23:05:24 or at least I've heard of Zcash :p 23:19:29 the chairs are empty because monerians are paranoid and don't want their picture taken lol 23:20:09 may I suggest doing modern journalism = write the article yourself and pay them to publish it 23:48:07 <321bob321:monero.social> Thats why they steal chairs too? 23:50:29 " I just said what happened at the conference, didn't mean to trigger you" << you literally mentioned ccs and misrepresented the ccs amount by ~90%, as if i raised money for movies, marketing and awards 23:52:45 You didnt "trigger" me, youre spreading bullshit 23:52:52 > interoperability is overrated too 23:53:45 Basicseap supports multiple protocols and its literally in the ccs to investigate interoperability with stuff like unstoppables orderbook 23:55:05 > who cares what solutions already exist when u have 3000 xmr to spend 23:55:05 talking as if basicswap is some novel approach that hasnt existed for ~5yrs 23:57:45 https://github.com/basicswap/basicswap/commit/e242f50b2ba84a9a8fe631871363272ac3cc2b36 23:57:55 July 2019