00:00:59 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Pot calling the kettle black. iirc, comit and farcaster came after 2019 00:01:01 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/comit-network/xmr-btc-swap/commit/818e522bd4b8011e9ceb131b884410c77482fae4 sept 2020 00:04:57 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Even kayaba's asmr was 2020 https://github.com/MerosCrypto/asmr/commit/aef2a9e44373fdac91b94758799b7c32d16de87e 00:07:38 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> So please, take your own advice. you dont even know who came first, but you talk about what "already exists" as if bsx didnt predate comit and farcaster 00:44:19 <geonic> nice link from 2019 but it doesn’t mention monero once. BasicSwap added monero in 2023 so yes, comit and farcaster already existed 00:44:56 <geonic> as the author of this article at least acknowledges: https://particl.news/bidirectional-part-anon-and-xmr-atomic-swaps-now-live-on-basicswap-dex/ 00:45:37 <geonic> maybe educate your team members instead of going all histrionic 00:46:53 <m-relay> <googlemozilla:matrix.org> Monero never fails when it comes to drama. 00:47:31 <geonic> neva 00:51:00 <m-relay> <dave.jp:matrix.org> accurately displays public interest in xmr 01:06:33 <m-relay> <googlemozilla:matrix.org> As soon as you sell your XMR and call it quits, I think XMR will regain its position as one of the top 3 coins again. This is hilarious. 01:08:16 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> > <geonic> nice link from 2019 but it doesn’t mention monero once. BasicSwap added monero in 2023 so yes, comit and farcaster already existed 01:08:17 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> it was added in nov 2020, noob. Learn to use git 01:08:56 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Bi-directional swaps were added in 2023. Learn to read 01:10:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/basicswap/basicswap/commit/0e2011e085fabe1adc2da73c2bcbb44fa51c18d3 01:12:38 <m-relay> <dave.jp:matrix.org> Truth hurts 01:12:47 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Basicswap pioneered atomic swaps, period. And afaik, they were the first to add bidirectional swaps as well 01:14:10 <m-relay> <googlemozilla:matrix.org> If the chairs were full, then you were late to the party. 01:14:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> "<geonic> maybe educate your team members instead of going all histrionic" << youre actually retardes, Aint ya? i dont have a time. Ofrn's solo, idiot. Nobody works for me and i work for nobody. 01:14:38 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Dont have a team* 01:14:42 <m-relay> <dave.jp:matrix.org> I always go for after party 01:14:48 <m-relay> <googlemozilla:matrix.org> Without BSX, we wouldn't have had any liquidity for Wownero. 01:15:34 <m-relay> <dave.jp:matrix.org> Wownero the saviour 01:16:26 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> tecnovert @ particl did xmr atomic swaps in python a month or so after I was first ofrnxmr geonic 01:16:40 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Your initial comit says the opposite 01:17:10 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Maybe wrong repo? 01:17:35 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> I don't know when it was merged into BasicSwap but I can personally confirm they've worked on it for yeara 01:17:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/MerosCrypto/asmr/commit/aef2a9e44373fdac91b94758799b7c32d16de87e 01:17:37 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/basicswap/basicswap/commit/e242f50b2ba84a9a8fe631871363272ac3cc2b36 01:18:00 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: ASMR follows the paper by about two months and was first. 01:18:05 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> BasicSwap may have existed a year earlier but not existed with XMR atomic swaps. 01:18:50 <m-relay> <googlemozilla:matrix.org> Wait until Serai before becoming disappointed with Monero. All 'reserves' will be public and unrestricted. Arbitrage/LP bots will also be running on it. Then, you'll see the true demand for Monero. 01:19:46 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> I was just trying to share, regardless of BasicSwap timelines we can now track for years via git, I can confirm their work has existed for years. 01:20:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Right, yes. xmr swaps were nov 2020, 1 month after asmr 01:20:21 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> That would track what I said :p 01:21:12 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Yes sir 🫡 01:21:25 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> Also, googlemozilla, I posted my post in MRL. I meant to ping you but you aren't there. 01:21:52 <m-relay> <googlemozilla:matrix.org> @kayabanerve:matrix.org Are there any developer fees that you earn from Serai, similar to those earned by the Ethereum Foundation from their fund? 01:22:16 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> No 01:22:50 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> and heres link to kayas post: https://gist.github.com/kayabaNerve/dbbadf1f2b0f4e04732fc5ac559745b7 01:22:53 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> The EF got a premine, not fees. Serai has no premine/dev fees. 01:23:11 <m-relay> <googlemozilla:matrix.org> I'm unable to join the MRL room due to an unknown reason. The message states 'You are not invited to this room'. 01:23:43 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> You're in lounge, right? 01:23:48 <m-relay> <googlemozilla:matrix.org> Thank you. 01:23:49 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Its set to invite only 🥲🫠 01:23:59 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> Probably best to discuss this there if for some reason you can't access lab 01:24:07 <m-relay> <googlemozilla:matrix.org> Yes. 01:37:15 <m-relay> <googlemozilla:matrix.org> > The point of the 10-block lock is for Monero nodes and for users to not be affected by small reorganizations which are accepted as part of Monero relying on Proof of Work. The Monero Research Lab did recently revisit this topic, doing a new analysis given Monero's current status, and came to the conclusion that 10 blocks still makes sense for now. I believe the way this would ch<clipped message> 01:37:17 <m-relay> <googlemozilla:matrix.org> ange is if Monero adopted a Proof-of-Stake finality layer. 01:37:19 <m-relay> <googlemozilla:matrix.org> 👀 01:43:51 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Wrong room for this 01:44:03 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Lounge or #monero is a better 01:49:04 <geonic> tx for clarifying kayaba 02:12:14 <geonic> got an answer to my question from the COMIT people: https://imgur.com/a/UhOoQa7 02:15:18 <geonic> “BasicSwap has support for a ton of Altcoins (PART, Decred, …). Written in Python. No network privacy to my knowledge. Requires you to download the entire blockchain for all coins you want to use. 02:15:18 <geonic> We route everything over Tor. Written in pure Rust. We do not require you to download the entire Blockchain. Mobile support is coming within the next 2-3 months. We only support Bitcoin <> Monero (for now). 02:15:18 <geonic> It’s still a bit challenging to run a maker (to sell Monero, rather than buying)” 03:42:59 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Lol, literally everything in basicswap can be routed over tor 03:43:21 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Maker support requires blockchain for comit afaik 03:44:16 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> If by "comit people" i think youre referring to binarybaron, who literally _asked_ in basicswap matrix barely 48hrs ago about use of tor 03:44:57 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Bsx even configures the blockchains, incl monero, to route over tor 03:46:41 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> And i can use basicswap from mobile today (by connecting to a desktop instance's api) 03:47:06 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Also its not complicated to run a maker for bsx - every user is a maker, which is why blockchains are required 03:48:40 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> binarybaron: 03:48:56 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Do you require bitcoin node for makers? 03:51:21 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Funny that you list "PART, decred .." but intentionally leave out LTC, BCH 🤡 03:52:49 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Its really no competition. Last i checked, unstoppable didnt even support smart fee selection and had badly handled failure cases as a result 03:54:29 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Privacy of providers on unstoppable is poor, if i understand correctly. You must select and swap with a specific provider. Bsx makers (and takers) can have new identities (or opt to reuse old ones) with every swap 03:56:00 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> So "difference between unstoppable and bsx" = unstoppable is implementing features now, that bsx has had for yrs. Also, bsx has bidirectional swaps and support for coins that are usable, like ltc and bch. 04:04:53 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> "Also its not complicated to run a maker for bsx - every user is a maker, which is why blockchains are required" required is a strong word. Bsx doesnt _require_ blockchains. Its currently designed to use them to ensure trustlessness, but it can function without them if relying on an external source to pull on chain info from 04:09:28 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> "no network privacy to my knowledge" is totally absurd binarybaron: . Do better when spreading bulllshit, kthx 15:41:02 <m-relay> <marciotalves:matrix.org> Venha você participar do nosso grupo no phiz uma nova maneira de se comunicar https://phiz.chat/u/LK6kST 15:41:14 <m-relay> <marciotalves:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/HQPAxhWsnZCsHaVGIsUfDWwa 15:47:43 <ofrnxmr> 🔨 19:57:18 <m-relay> <4rkal:monero.social> Fundraiser for 1 more year of hosting the Monero archive https://kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/yg9f/ 21:13:41 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> luigi: I got the invoice from Veridise, so if you can pay sooner rather than later, that would be appreciated :) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/449#note_27273 21:30:37 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Luigi1111 21:37:52 <m-relay> <marciotalves:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/BcAxRwFBqqtKxaOhPmkIJRBt 21:37:58 <m-relay> <marciotalves:matrix.org> Come join our group on phiz a new way to communicate https://phiz.chat/u/LK6kST 21:38:28 <luigi1111> Can Luke approve that? Also someone help me out with the milestone situation? 21:40:37 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> luigi1111 Yeah, it's per prior agreements and MRL. 21:41:25 <luigi1111> Yeah I mean formality on the CCS thread 21:46:36 <m-relay> <notthefein:matrix.org> hello 21:46:59 <m-relay> <notthefein:matrix.org> apparently the main monero community is infighting quite a lot right noe 21:47:26 <m-relay> <notthefein:matrix.org> but I'm going to copy paste what I posted there so the actual community can see what I want to say 21:48:06 <m-relay> <notthefein:matrix.org> I'm new to monero, and I really like it's premise and usecase 21:48:10 <m-relay> <notthefein:matrix.org> I was thinking what kind of tasks/jobs I can do here to acquire monero 21:48:11 <m-relay> <notthefein:matrix.org> I'm currently sitting and can't find a job rn, and the fast food joint I worked at laid off a bunch 21:48:13 <m-relay> <notthefein:matrix.org> rn I'm trying to replace my laptop with something newer with an ssd and more ram 21:48:15 <m-relay> <notthefein:matrix.org> I'm not trying to beg, I just wanna contribute for any amount of compensation available 21:48:17 <m-relay> <notthefein:matrix.org> mostly because I live in a 3rd world economy so small dollars a re worth a lot in my local currency 21:51:20 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> luigi1111: I'm travelling for American holidays, Thanksgiving. Can I confirm here and on-CCS later? 21:51:51 <m-relay> <luigi1111:monero.social> How much later 21:51:57 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> I don't want this payment blocked since it was requested a few days ago, Veridise sent an invoice, and prior had sign off. 21:52:03 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> Also, what help do you need re: milestones? 21:52:27 <m-relay> <marciotalves:matrix.org> Join the group of the application that can replace WhatsApp telegram and Twitter and bluesky this application is phiz https://phiz.chat/u/LK6kST 21:52:33 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> Within 3 days, probably tomorrow 21:53:34 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> The comment prior to sgp's includes 21:53:35 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> > Veridise also had a brief extension on hours to review the R1CS gadget. That took an additional four hours, billed at an additional 1k USD ($250 an hour). MAGIC has yet to request/receive the XMR to facilitate that 21:53:42 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> So that's already on report 21:55:28 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> I'm looking for the MRL meeting including this specific scope of work. A meeting appears missing from the meta repo 21:57:57 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> Rucknium at 17:34 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20241002 21:59:48 <m-relay> <marciotalves:matrix.org> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=live.phiz.app2 22:15:39 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Diego Salazar: banhammer this jerkoff plz 22:16:18 <m-relay> <diego:cypherstack.com> Marcio? 22:18:01 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:monero.social> Ty sir 22:50:17 <luigi1111> just which milestone it is so I can update the .md 22:54:52 <luigi1111> sgp_: sent 23:11:28 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> luigi1111 This is a segment of "Provide a soundness proof for the proof using Elliptic Curve Divisors funds" 23:12:05 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> We have done it incrementally with Veridise thus far, and done review with Cypher Stack, all under this one milestone 23:12:32 <m-relay> <kayabanerve:matrix.org> We're currently soliciting the next step of review (quote pending from Diego Salazar) and the final soundness proof 23:13:41 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> Thanks!