00:00:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Pot calling the kettle black. iirc, comit and farcaster came after 2019
00:01:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/comit-network/xmr-btc-swap/commit/818e522bd4b8011e9ceb131b884410c77482fae4 sept 2020
00:04:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Even kayaba's asmr was 2020 https://github.com/MerosCrypto/asmr/commit/aef2a9e44373fdac91b94758799b7c32d16de87e
00:07:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> So please, take your own advice. you dont even know who came first, but you talk about what "already exists" as if bsx didnt predate comit and farcaster
00:44:19 <geonic> nice link from 2019 but it doesn’t mention monero once. BasicSwap added monero in 2023 so yes, comit and farcaster already existed
00:44:56 <geonic> as the author of this article at least acknowledges: https://particl.news/bidirectional-part-anon-and-xmr-atomic-swaps-now-live-on-basicswap-dex/
00:45:37 <geonic> maybe educate your team members instead of going all histrionic
00:46:53 <m-relay> <g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Monero never fails when it comes to drama.
00:47:31 <geonic> neva
00:51:00 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> accurately displays public interest in xmr
01:06:33 <m-relay> <g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> As soon as you sell your XMR and call it quits, I think XMR will regain its position as one of the top 3 coins again. This is hilarious.
01:08:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <g​eonic> nice link from 2019 but it doesn’t mention monero once. BasicSwap added monero in 2023 so yes, comit and farcaster already existed
01:08:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> it was added in nov 2020, noob. Learn to use git
01:08:56 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bi-directional swaps were added in 2023. Learn to read
01:10:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/basicswap/basicswap/commit/0e2011e085fabe1adc2da73c2bcbb44fa51c18d3
01:12:38 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Truth hurts
01:12:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Basicswap pioneered atomic swaps, period. And afaik, they were the first to add bidirectional swaps as well
01:14:10 <m-relay> <g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> If the chairs were full, then you were late to the party.
01:14:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "<g​eonic> maybe educate your team members instead of going all histrionic" << youre actually retardes, Aint ya? i dont have a time. Ofrn's solo, idiot. Nobody works for me and i work for nobody.
01:14:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dont have a team*
01:14:42 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> I always go for after party
01:14:48 <m-relay> <g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Without BSX, we wouldn't have had any liquidity for Wownero.
01:15:34 <m-relay> <d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Wownero the saviour
01:16:26 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> tecnovert @ particl did xmr atomic swaps in python a month or so after I was first ofrnxmr geonic
01:16:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Your initial comit says the opposite
01:17:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maybe wrong repo?
01:17:35 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I don't know when it was merged into BasicSwap but I can personally confirm they've worked on it for yeara
01:17:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/MerosCrypto/asmr/commit/aef2a9e44373fdac91b94758799b7c32d16de87e
01:17:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> https://github.com/basicswap/basicswap/commit/e242f50b2ba84a9a8fe631871363272ac3cc2b36
01:18:00 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: ASMR follows the paper by about two months and was first.
01:18:05 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> BasicSwap may have existed a year earlier but not existed with XMR atomic swaps.
01:18:50 <m-relay> <g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Wait until Serai before becoming disappointed with Monero. All 'reserves' will be public and unrestricted. Arbitrage/LP bots will also be running on it. Then, you'll see the true demand for Monero.
01:19:46 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I was just trying to share, regardless of BasicSwap timelines we can now track for years via git, I can confirm their work has existed for years.
01:20:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Right, yes. xmr swaps were nov 2020, 1 month after asmr
01:20:21 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> That would track what I said :p
01:21:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes sir 🫡
01:21:25 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Also, googlemozilla, I posted my post in MRL. I meant to ping you but you aren't there.
01:21:52 <m-relay> <g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> @kayabanerve:matrix.org Are there any developer fees that you earn from Serai, similar to those earned by the Ethereum Foundation from their fund?
01:22:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> No
01:22:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> and heres link to kayas post: https://gist.github.com/kayabaNerve/dbbadf1f2b0f4e04732fc5ac559745b7
01:22:53 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> The EF got a premine, not fees. Serai has no premine/dev fees.
01:23:11 <m-relay> <g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> I'm unable to join the MRL room due to an unknown reason. The message states 'You are not invited to this room'.
01:23:43 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> You're in lounge, right?
01:23:48 <m-relay> <g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Thank you.
01:23:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its set to invite only 🥲🫠
01:23:59 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Probably best to discuss this there if for some reason you can't access lab
01:24:07 <m-relay> <g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> Yes.
01:37:15 <m-relay> <g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> > The point of the 10-block lock is for Monero nodes and for users to not be affected by small reorganizations which are accepted as part of Monero relying on Proof of Work. The Monero Research Lab did recently revisit this topic, doing a new analysis given Monero's current status, and came to the conclusion that 10 blocks still makes sense for now. I believe the way this would ch<clipped message>
01:37:17 <m-relay> <g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> ange is if Monero adopted a Proof-of-Stake finality layer.
01:37:19 <m-relay> <g​ooglemozilla:matrix.org> 👀
01:43:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Wrong room for this
01:44:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lounge or #monero is a better
01:49:04 <geonic> tx for clarifying kayaba
02:12:14 <geonic> got an answer to my question from the COMIT people: https://imgur.com/a/UhOoQa7
02:15:18 <geonic> “BasicSwap has support for a ton of Altcoins (PART, Decred, …). Written in Python. No network privacy to my knowledge. Requires you to download the entire blockchain for all coins you want to use.
02:15:18 <geonic> We route everything over Tor. Written in pure Rust. We do not require you to download the entire Blockchain. Mobile support is coming within the next 2-3 months. We only support Bitcoin <> Monero (for now).
02:15:18 <geonic> It’s still a bit challenging to run a maker (to sell Monero, rather than buying)”
03:42:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lol, literally everything in basicswap can be routed over tor
03:43:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Maker support requires blockchain for comit afaik
03:44:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If by "comit people" i think youre referring to binarybaron, who literally _asked_ in basicswap matrix barely 48hrs ago about use of tor
03:44:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bsx even configures the blockchains, incl monero, to route over tor
03:46:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And i can use basicswap from mobile today (by connecting to a desktop instance's api)
03:47:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Also its not complicated to run a maker for bsx - every user is a maker, which is why blockchains are required
03:48:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> binarybaron:
03:48:56 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do you require bitcoin node for makers?
03:51:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Funny that you list "PART, decred .." but intentionally leave out LTC, BCH 🤡
03:52:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its really no competition. Last i checked, unstoppable didnt even support smart fee selection and had badly handled failure cases as a result
03:54:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Privacy of providers on unstoppable is poor, if i understand correctly. You must select and swap with a specific provider. Bsx makers (and takers) can have new identities (or opt to reuse old ones) with every swap
03:56:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> So "difference between unstoppable and bsx" = unstoppable is implementing features now, that bsx has had for yrs. Also, bsx has bidirectional swaps and support for coins that are usable, like ltc and bch.
04:04:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "Also its not complicated to run a maker for bsx - every user is a maker, which is why blockchains are required" required is a strong word. Bsx doesnt _require_ blockchains. Its currently designed to use them to ensure trustlessness, but it can function without them if relying on an external source to pull on chain info from
04:09:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> "no network privacy to my knowledge" is totally absurd binarybaron: . Do better when spreading bulllshit, kthx
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21:13:41 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> luigi: I got the invoice from Veridise, so if you can pay sooner rather than later, that would be appreciated :) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/449#note_27273
21:30:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Luigi1111
21:37:52 <m-relay> <m​arciotalves:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/BcAxRwFBqqtKxaOhPmkIJRBt
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21:38:28 <luigi1111> Can Luke approve that? Also someone help me out with the milestone situation?
21:40:37 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> luigi1111 Yeah, it's per prior agreements and MRL.
21:41:25 <luigi1111> Yeah I mean formality on the CCS thread
21:46:36 <m-relay> <n​otthefein:matrix.org> hello
21:46:59 <m-relay> <n​otthefein:matrix.org> apparently the main monero community is infighting quite a lot right noe
21:47:26 <m-relay> <n​otthefein:matrix.org> but I'm going to copy paste what I posted there so the actual community can see what I want to say
21:48:06 <m-relay> <n​otthefein:matrix.org> I'm new to monero, and I really like it's premise and usecase
21:48:10 <m-relay> <n​otthefein:matrix.org> I was thinking what kind of tasks/jobs I can do here to acquire monero
21:48:11 <m-relay> <n​otthefein:matrix.org> I'm currently sitting and can't find a job rn, and the fast food joint I worked at laid off a bunch
21:48:13 <m-relay> <n​otthefein:matrix.org> rn I'm trying to replace my laptop with something newer with an ssd and more ram
21:48:15 <m-relay> <n​otthefein:matrix.org> I'm not trying to beg, I just wanna contribute for any amount of compensation available
21:48:17 <m-relay> <n​otthefein:matrix.org> mostly because I live in a 3rd world economy so small dollars a re worth a lot in my local currency
21:51:20 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> luigi1111: I'm travelling for American holidays, Thanksgiving. Can I confirm here and on-CCS later?
21:51:51 <m-relay> <l​uigi1111:monero.social> How much later
21:51:57 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I don't want this payment blocked since it was requested a few days ago, Veridise sent an invoice, and prior had sign off.
21:52:03 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Also, what help do you need re: milestones?
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21:52:33 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Within 3 days, probably tomorrow
21:53:34 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> The comment prior to sgp's includes
21:53:35 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> > Veridise also had a brief extension on hours to review the R1CS gadget. That took an additional four hours, billed at an additional 1k USD ($250 an hour). MAGIC has yet to request/receive the XMR to facilitate that
21:53:42 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> So that's already on report
21:55:28 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I'm looking for the MRL meeting including this specific scope of work. A meeting appears missing from the meta repo
21:57:57 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Rucknium at 17:34 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20241002
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22:15:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Diego Salazar:  banhammer this jerkoff plz
22:16:18 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Marcio?
22:18:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ty sir
22:50:17 <luigi1111> just which milestone it is so I can update the .md
22:54:52 <luigi1111> sgp_: sent
23:11:28 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> luigi1111 This is a segment of "Provide a soundness proof for the proof using Elliptic Curve Divisors funds"
23:12:05 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> We have done it incrementally with Veridise thus far, and done review with Cypher Stack, all under this one milestone
23:12:32 <m-relay> <k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> We're currently soliciting the next step of review (quote pending from Diego Salazar) and the final soundness proof
23:13:41 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> Thanks!