00:45:35 Final outcome? 00:46:12 moneroecosystem.com 00:48:14 Why? 00:50:09 https://matrix.to/#/!mehPttlWNbDtNeDbvu:monero.social/$mTNyHY1aDbYizY1SbZdhd7sXKMZYzGYz_qPInoH0F-k?via=xmr.mx&via=matrix.org&via=monero.social 00:58:16 https://forums.whonix.org/t/installing-haveno-in-whonix/20014/13 00:58:17 aremor 01:01:24 😂 01:02:22 Someone can link the Reddit threads to that thread, to warn folks 01:36:50 crates.io wouldn't be used by the Monero project for its own crates. All crates would be committed to with a cryptographic checksum. That really isn't the discussion here. 01:37:22 <321bob321:monero.social> Self promotion 01:38:02 We extensively use @ compile time definitions and generics in a way I don't see as neatly possible with C++. It isn't just an idea of memory safety. 03:07:21 Very centralized. High inequality. Small investors cannot vote on governance proposals. They must delegate their coins to validators who use the voting power to vote in line with the foundation. The founders started out as poor cypherpunks but are now addicted to wealth. 05:20:57 <0xfffc:monero.social> I see. I have to have more specific information about what you exactly mean by that statement to agree or disagree. At this point I think about it as a subjective statement. 05:23:33 <0xfffc:monero.social> A small correction. That 💯 was a misclick. I fixed the reaction. 06:28:06 <321bob321:monero.social> I’ve seen wrong emojis start wars 08:26:33 does basicswapdex acknowledge the existence of support from CCS on its site anywhere yet ofrnxmr? syntheticbird cuprate.org has "Cuprate wouldn't be possible without the Monero Community and the work of its contributors:" love it. for an extra Michelin star and a chefs kiss the CCS could be mentioned somewhere too 08:27:36 plowsof lol, I call that an actual backfire. Fun. 😂 08:27:47 Good morning, good sir! 🎩 09:03:39 [@recanman:kernal.eu](https://matrix.to/#/@recanman:kernal.eu) check this out. Gave me the idea of reaching out to Trezor since they're locals and their HWW does support XMR. Thoughts? https://primal.net/e/note13cx50c8nwtml05vs5348wehwcrsgup585y9tsa3h3chaap47raxszyeq8l 09:28:44 AI summary of yesterday's (Dec 7) workgroup meeting: 09:29:07 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/KpkveFrDqJmlgfMXoggTXDEE 10:32:14 thanks johnr365 11:06:53 good morning chat 11:12:09 plowsof, ack, will make an issue about listing CCS on cuprate.org website 11:12:41 so that I don't forget whenever I have time 13:31:21 np plowsof - great work on those automated chat logs. just sometimes they take a while to read through! kewbit drama and all 😅 13:43:13 You should ask the AI "do and participants appear to be posting from multiple accounts" 13:59:12 Those recent room joins seem legit 14:00:38 I'm googlemozilla. 14:01:31 I don't have access to PGP keys, so you'll just have to take my word for it. 14:02:35 well I don't take your word 14:02:46 Why? 14:03:22 Why should I ? 14:03:59 You're absolutely right. 14:05:34 I ditched my other account because someone was spamming my email with password reset requests. 14:06:20 monerobull: 14:09:59 Tagging me makes it look like I did that :P 14:10:24 Were you the person spamming my email? 14:10:57 I can can confirm, it was mbll (/s) 14:11:01 If course not 14:11:30 He tagged me bcs my accounts were also targeted 14:11:39 Suuurree 14:12:02 Sus. Mbl h4xx0r 14:12:12 oh fuck sorry you're right 14:12:19 I heard you jacked kewbit 14:12:20 You reversed kewbits 75xmr payment too, didnt you 14:12:49 Yeah, i stoled qtips reddit acct, allegedly 14:13:13 Also, i am juliu AND syntheticbird 💯 14:13:21 How? 14:13:25 I'm still only mbll on wendnesdays 14:13:26 yes I know i am you 14:15:30 With my super matrix like screensaver 14:17:05 POS and forming a foundation is not centralization. As I mentioned earlier, it will take time, which will manifest as Ethereum's dominance for people in this community to finally consider these options. For now, we can maintain anarchy. 14:17:13 PoS and forming a foundation is not centralization. As I mentioned earlier, it will take time, which will manifest as Ethereum's dominance for people in this community to finally consider these options. For now, we can maintain anarchy. 14:18:28 don't lose your time themisplacedphilosopher is a delusional. He don't listen to you, you can mut him 14:19:03 I don't want Monero to fall behind. 14:19:50 We all want the same thing 14:22:03 You’re googlemozilla? 14:22:31 Oh 14:22:53 Indeed. Monero has taken many features that weren't implemented in Bitcoin, such as D++ and stealth addresses. PoS will be next eventually. 14:23:22 Majority of people including devs and core are against PoS 14:23:27 sorry to disappoint you 14:23:37 It is very very unlikely to happen 14:23:59 That's okay; POS is better than having over 51% of the hash rate controlled by botnets and centralized pools. 14:24:04 That's okay; PoS is better than having over 51% of the hash rate controlled by botnets and centralized pools. 14:24:40 If we switch to Proof of Stake right now, CEX have 80% of the validation power 14:24:41 It's also more environmentally friendly. 14:25:01 CEXes don't own any XMR. 14:25:18 Kraken has barely 500k in liquidity on their order books and reject OTC. 14:25:53 I join your opinion on carbon emission but one argument I agree with is that Monero at the moment is not anywhere near BTC consumption and can never be as RandomX prevent large farming/ASICs that are 90% of BTC electric consumption 14:27:09 I'm pretty sure that tail emission was once considered controversial, but eventually, it was implemented. I believe that PoS will follow a similar path. We can also consider donating to support its development if anyone is interested. 14:27:57 ^ Development and research. 14:28:01 Research CCS are prohibited, maybe you can make a bounty, but i doubt you'll get many donations. You can always discuss PoS in #monero-research-lounge:monero.social 14:28:28 I never understood how PoS work 14:28:29 not like I ever actually looked into the mater 14:29:17 Thank you. 14:29:20 Synthetbird research bounty are banned* 😄 14:29:31 syntheticbird* 14:29:38 minimum amount of coin make you eligible for being a validator, you are choosed to validate the block, if you succeed you get the fees/reward, if you fail (tamper it) your stake is slashed and you lose a lot of money 14:30:06 consensus security is based on the incentive you lose much more than you gain from cheating 14:31:22 In practice it works very well 14:31:44 By utilizing smart contracts, it is possible to introduce liquid staking by merging all amounts staked into a pool for multiple validators. This effectively eliminates the minimum amount of coins required to stake. 14:31:54 but the reason most in monero community are against is the centralization issue. Th validators gain more money, while it is becoming harder and harder for normal people to stake enough to validate the network 14:32:07 therefore breaking monero ethics of: anyone can participate to the network security 14:32:35 Oh nice. I knew of people merging their amounts but manually on the Oxen network. 14:32:48 but it isn't smart contract based 14:32:59 oh yeah I see indeed lol 14:33:59 I don't expect PoS to be implemented anytime soon, but I'll try to sow the seeds so that this idea can grow and eventually be accepted. 14:34:03 arguments for PoS is that it eliminate the mining electric consumption, e-waste and generally make block production more stable 14:35:02 always nice to discuss topics, even tho it has already been discussed prior 14:35:05 You also eliminate the botnet problem. 14:37:27 themisplacedphilosopher: We will also be providing a substantial amount of ETH/SRI and XMR/SRI liquidity, which will benefit decentralization. Please do not spread misinformation. Thank you. 14:39:13 Federal botnets cant be stopped 14:42:19 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/VKyPUAjnyCnckSyZKoQhfvku 14:43:28 That is just one of the research document showing how PoW is better and how centralized PoS negatively impacts bootstrapping. 14:43:54 You are here to lose. You are welcome. 14:48:21 All three attributes – decentralized, secure, and human-meaningful – must be provided if people are to communicate and be communicated about securely over the Internet, and this paper along with the article Advances in Distributed Security shows how to provide all three. https://nakamotoinstitute.org/library/advances-in-distributed-security/ 14:49:49 The paper here refers to Secure Property Titles with Owner Authority 14:49:49 Nick Szabo 14:49:51 Originally published in 1998 14:52:18 People like googlemozilla are a product of an inferior education system which brainwashes them and teaches obedience. I am very happy they are coming here to learn. It shows how open we are. Their internal communication systems will never be open to us as it will reveal how inept and corrupt they are. 14:53:42

Another reason to use epiphany 🥸 14:54:16 but apple :dies: 14:55:19

I assume I never read that and the only thing I knew was fruits I ate 😑 14:59:51

On a serious note is to not rely on web ecosystems for critical rather minimalistic tasks that do not involve live self-doxxing and stuff to zuck and shit, and utilise network as it is without much bloat, tbrh at this point a reason why this happens is due to the 'complexity' of codebases needing sweatshops in sf to keep them running, a thing which decentralised development isn't 14:59:53

known to be 'very' good at synchronising it, scatter the use cases and you have lot more chances than reinventing the wheel 15:09:49 I'm pretty sure that tail emission was once considered controversial, but eventually, it was implemented <<>> not really :) 15:10:16 Meow. 15:10:22 Purrrrr. 15:10:57 BTW it is Cat that is thankful for today and I follow her example 16:01:05 Welcome to all our new comers 16:01:21 It's rare to see so many new people in like a week 16:01:50 Must have seen a great side of monero community 😅 16:16:35 Lol everything is possible with c++, its one of the few interesting properties and fault 16:22:13 rottenwheel monero project is apolitical and christmas is a religion day so its le bad. Please proceed to remove your santa decoration from your profile picture 16:23:10 Since when do I represent the monero project, huh? 16:23:25 we're all subject to Core under Luigi's kingdom 16:23:28 I'll proceed to remove your anal virginity instead. 😏 16:23:39 amen 16:23:42 Luigi can ride my deek. 16:23:49 amen 16:24:06 bro laugh for malori but not for me 16:24:13 I NEED MY DOPAMINE SIR 16:24:39 that's neat 16:24:57 f forgor that fluffy cant send them as reaction sad 16:25:03 f forgor that fluffy cant send them as reaction, sad 16:30:27 you can do it rust-lialh4 type faster 16:30:43

"Do you know the chances of winning this lottery sir" 16:30:43

"Ah, slim to none" 16:30:45

"Yes it is one in xyz millions, if you do get the prize what do you plan to do with it" 16:30:47

" 16:32:34 destroy systemd through heavy investement into another competitor written in le rust" 16:33:08

Why not redox in esp32 16:33:27 oh 16:33:29 you are right 16:33:36

Minimal attack surface 16:33:37

Strong memory safeguards 😆 16:33:39 I'll destroy linux and make RedoxOS the best OS 16:33:56 also enhance Xen while we are at it 16:34:16

Yeah trovalds passcodes might help you something 😏 16:35:13

Try experimenting cutting cpu sillicon die and restricting their connections, first time in history when lobotomy might be a success 17:23:08 👋 17:31:34 Longtime monero fan, first time matrix user ... 17:32:38 glad to see you onboard. Two things unit us here, Monero success, and hatred against Matrix platform 17:34:26 real 17:34:30 when xmpp channel 17:34:39 I need to get back to using irc 17:34:51 Malori 17:34:51 when decent xmpp client? 17:35:01 xmpp client are windows 95 tier 17:35:14 This shit literally only bends in ReactOS 17:35:17 real 17:35:18 This shit literally only blends in ReactOS 17:35:45 hi 17:35:52 hi Cat 17:35:55 please hold 17:35:57 i mean if xmpp is window 95 tier, irc is DOS tier 17:36:06 irc is transistor tier 17:36:44 I want to see muh SimpleX bridge 17:37:05 but will never see a decent one because SimpleX founder is a big dumb racist that believe that using le Rust is endorsing transgenderism 17:37:14 I remember individual transitors with color coded lines on the barrel 17:37:29 I downloaded simplex as i have seen quite a few people in da monero comunity use it but i have litteraly no one on it xd 17:37:44 lmao im sorry what 17:37:47 nioCat was it fun 17:37:55 yes 17:38:07 he said on twitter that Rust sucks because trans 17:38:14 like he literally fall for the bait 17:38:19 lines, bands we 18:27:09 vtnerd: "as neatly possible" 18:27:09 I'm sure it's possible 18:40:15 <321bob321:monero.social> Resistors have colourband on it 18:41:04 ofc bob :) 18:41:48 I just looked in an old toolbox to see if any were there 18:41:54 no luck 18:42:14 but I did find some 60yo electrical tape lol 18:43:04 and a fresh package of 60yo solder 18:44:22 keeping the useless tape for my museum 18:45:33 <0xfffc:monero.social> FYI C++ template meta programming is Turing complete language by itself [1]. 18:45:33 <0xfffc:monero.social> 1. Porkoláb, Zoltán. "Functional programming with C++ template metaprograms." Central European Functional Programming School. Berlin, Heidelberg: Springer Berlin Heidelberg, 2009. 306-353. 18:45:50 <321bob321:monero.social> The old solder will kill the whales 18:46:37 ofc keeping the solder 19:08:52 I don't have great C++ knowledge, but if there is one thing im sure about and at least 5 different C++ programmers I trust told me is that the Template system is cancer, and is like 99.9% of the compiler bugs. 19:08:58 yes im going on a rant 19:10:16 They just can't cook templates 19:10:33 <0xfffc:monero.social> Keep in mind, tools don’t have intrinsic value. Tool are useful when used in right place, and are horrible if you misuse them. 19:10:35 99% of compiler bugs are in the code optimizer 19:10:59 <0xfffc:monero.social> Exactly as sech1 said. Just take look at GCC bug reports. 19:15:05 Sorry I can't comprehend reasonable arguments and statistics. 19:15:23 but nice try i guess 19:15:35 You won't change my believes. I'm a rust bishop and serve my god Ferris 21:39:32 rottenwheel: where is the quote of Revuo denouncing sech1 because he supported the banlist 21:40:01 [@plowsof:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@plowsof:matrix.org) I don't think there was ever one. That was all me in matrix rooms. 21:40:29 Jeffro signed the repo recently though, thus far it is boog, ruck and jeffro. Sech1 hasn't even signed yet. 21:41:54 <321bob321:monero.social> “ i would like to thank the support of the ccs, without it i would have less stress” plowsof i can put that on my website? 21:42:22 <321bob321:monero.social> Also rotten has doxxed himself as santa 21:43:43 What repo 21:44:00 sech1 do you remember? 21:45:33 How to even sign a repo on github 21:45:49 Are you retarded or Russian? 21:46:25 what if im both 21:46:34 Explains a lot lol. 21:46:41 racism detected, initiating ban for racism, bigotry terminated 21:46:47 f u :3 21:46:50 sech1 https://github.com/Boog900/monero-ban-list 21:47:07 when the ban list was suggested, rottenwheel was against it and used your Revuo platform to banish sech1 for supporting it , or a statement to that effect 21:48:01 Rotten likes to go against everything 21:48:01 plowsof hey all! Here's 2.5k IP addresses you must ban from your node right away. Source? Two dicks in a hundreds of thousand p2p network! 21:48:13 do I care? 21:48:19 [@elongated:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@elongated:matrix.org) not my fault your reading comprehension is that of a toddler. 21:48:27 what's the point of signing ban_list.txt? 21:48:39 rotten lol 21:48:40 sech1 nobody's asking you to care, you goofball. 21:48:43 sech1 ask boog? 21:48:56 Wat. 21:49:47 rotten you just get paid by feds and chainanal to discredit the ban list 21:50:05 Sure! 21:50:13 I am on Chainalysis payroll! 21:50:24