09:06:05 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Makes scenes!
15:16:46 <plowsof> meeting in 44 mins https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1130
16:00:18 <plowsof> meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1130
16:00:23 <plowsof> greetings !
16:00:34 <m-relay> <m​ichael:monero.social> Hello.
16:01:07 <m-relay> <j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Hey.
16:01:08 <sneurlax> gmorning
16:01:10 <plowsof> update on Ruckniums wownero discovery: https://monero.observer/rucknium-discovers-critical-privacy-vulnerability-wownero-decoy-selection-algorithm/
16:01:20 <m-relay> <a​lexanarcho:matrix.org> ✌️ hi
16:01:49 <ofrnxmr> and Jeffro256 fixed it
16:02:45 <plowsof> a 15k wownero reward from wowneros ceo/general fund was sent to Rucknium via https://rucknium.me/donate/
16:03:26 <plowsof> an amount was also sent to Jeffro256 but im not sure if it where publicly disclosed somewhere 💪
16:04:45 <plowsof> ofrnxmr was the only person who contacted me to update my wownero nodes 
16:05:20 <plowsof> (rottenwheel also mentioned it later) , just thought id thank them 
16:06:23 <plowsof> i have to complete a survey today: [HackerSpace survey](https://cryptpad.disroot.org/form/#/2/form/view/k+F96VAcT8cSCpJ8nq2Sq8kVK67M7N7EWRw2sY+Qvok/embed/)
16:07:48 <ofrnxmr> Fwiw i dont think hackerspace is decided yet / is still being decided whether there will be one or not
16:08:41 <plowsof> a hackerspace could also encourage (or let patreons see fun stuff)  like (monero payments on an off-the-shelf point of sale device) [Bounty: FOSS point of sale app](https://bounties.monero.social/posts/159/10-735m-foss-monero-point-of-sale-android-app) : Progress video: [xcancel](https://xcancel.com/MoneroKon/status/1869794622450610633) 
16:09:23 <plowsof> depends how the hackerspace is defined (note:i need to read/complete the survey to find out :D )
16:11:34 <plowsof> a new bounty to get Featherwallet on Macs : https://bounties.monero.social/posts/167/15-000m-apple-developer-id-certificate-and-notarization-for-feather-wallet 
16:11:42 <ofrnxmr> That POS looks good (video on the tweet link)
16:13:46 <m-relay> <j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Looks like Czarek Nakamoto is already on it.
16:13:52 <ofrnxmr> Feather's might be in progress, we'll know soon #feather
16:14:19 <plowsof> yep, sounds like it wont be long 👏
16:14:30 <tobtoht_> couple days :)
16:14:48 <ofrnxmr> gate.io delisting xmr leveraged tokens and xmr perpetual futures 
16:17:16 <plowsof> xmr remains still? i've never used gate io (only seen the support threads of people complaining about their customer service)
16:18:33 <plowsof> also never messed with leverage 😟
16:18:41 <plowsof> News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [MoneroMoon issue 75](https://www.themoneromoon.com/p/the-monero-moon-issue-75) 
16:18:57 <ofrnxmr> Gate has #1 xmr volume (allegedly) 
16:19:05 <plowsof> nioCat wishes everyone a happy winter solstice 
16:20:03 <plowsof> did they list haven by any chance, wonder what volume they had for that 😅
16:20:54 <plowsof> https://www.gate.io/price/haven-xhv 
16:22:31 <plowsof> we can move on to the ccs ideas if nothing else comes up
16:24:13 <m-relay> <j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Haven is still a thing? I think even Cake is removing it from their app.
16:24:27 <ofrnxmr> Cske removed it a long time ago iirc?
16:24:44 <ofrnxmr> Haven was exploited. Another inflation bug
16:24:57 <plowsof> officially dead yes 
16:25:13 <ofrnxmr> Yeah, project announced that they were handing it up
16:25:19 <m-relay> <j​0j0xmr:monero.social> Oh maybe for new wallets. Its still included in build process (for now).
16:25:44 <m-relay> <a​lexanarcho:matrix.org> Damn
16:25:58 <ofrnxmr> Hanging*.  kaya said "They didn't call verBulletproofPlus. That was the issue."
16:26:04 <plowsof> wallet users that previously had haven , need to access their funds still.. so figure that one out 
16:26:54 <plowsof> makes sense, disable for creating new wallets, but keep it in there 
16:27:22 <m-relay> <y​osef33:matrix.org> ""They didn't call verBulletproofPlus." --- put politly.
16:27:34 <plowsof> ok lets the ccs ideas 
16:27:38 <plowsof>   b. [XMRChat - a service for content creators to receive messages and tips in Monero.](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/524)    
16:28:18 <plowsof> TipXMR has officially handed the torch over to XMRChat 
16:28:18 <ofrnxmr> For ppl who watch monerotopia episodes, youve probably seen xmrchat in action
16:29:49 <plowsof> one thing to note regarding the WASM milestone : convoluted / increasing the difficulty of the entire project . accouting for 48% of the funds - and undoubtedly playing a role in the delays and ultimate demise of TipXMR
16:30:02 <ofrnxmr> I dont see the 2 projects as "the same thing". Xmrchat is imo an evolution of tipxmr. utilizes lws instead of tipxmr's proposed wasm  
16:30:12 <plowsof> if they had set out to not attempt to have a WASM wallet - the project would be alot simpler 
16:30:15 <m-relay> <a​lexanarcho:matrix.org> Yep, we won't continue on tipxmr, glad that xmrchat is coming along so nicely and we don't want to hog CCS funds that won't be used. So the proposed solution seems ideal
16:30:58 <m-relay> <a​lexanarcho:matrix.org> In terms of technical implementation they are not the same, but in terms of utility for the streamer they are more or less interchangeable
16:31:57 <plowsof> alexanarcho - you have completed milestone 1 btw but did not yet claim it 😅
16:32:06 <m-relay> <a​lexanarcho:matrix.org> Yes, I agree with plowsof, xmrchat is simpler for development and using a client side wasm wallet doesn't give that big of an advantage
16:32:40 <m-relay> <a​lexanarcho:matrix.org> We did claim milestone 1 but the CCS was never updated. If there is anything I should do there pls let me know
16:33:01 <ofrnxmr> I think snex (banned) has tried xmrchat before. We need some streamers to give the self hosted versions a test run
16:33:19 <plowsof> a payout address (to receive the 1.x xmr under the proposal alex, thank you)
16:33:49 <m-relay> <a​lexanarcho:matrix.org> We already received the 1 xmr for the first milestone by luigi1111
16:34:00 <plowsof> one thing i question is: does there need to be a server where a fee model exists? 
16:34:11 <plowsof> ah alex, thank you, will make sure that is updated 
16:34:37 <plowsof> webContainers came 1 year after tipxmr was proposed on the ccs https://blog.stackblitz.com/posts/introducing-webcontainers/ 
16:35:32 <plowsof> just food for thought. theoretically a streamer can run everything in a tab window (monero wallet.. server and all) with the aid of a proxy to obscure their home IP - donors can connect and request subaddresses 
16:35:40 <ofrnxmr> I think: xmrchat should be self hostable both for yourself and for others (so the hosted version is able to be hosted by anyone). Also that the fee should be able to be, ideally, scraped directly snd set per instance (not a donation freemium model)
16:35:49 <plowsof> but now: can focus on a server where a fee model is in place 
16:36:35 <plowsof> confirming source is open/works is indeed a priority after Haveno api/gui issues 
16:36:41 <m-relay> <a​lexanarcho:matrix.org> There is also shadowchat by Luke Smith that is self hostable. The goal for tipxmr originally was to target streamers that don't want to do that command line thing and just use the trusted ol browser.
16:37:18 <ofrnxmr> i dont think a hosted-only version fits the ethos of ccs
16:37:28 <ofrnxmr> It should be a public good
16:38:53 <plowsof> if xmrchat considers itself as not being a charity, then perhaps they can repay any funds awarded 
16:38:56 <ofrnxmr> Users should be able to 1. Self host: no fees. 2. Self Host freemium: able to set a donation model 3. Hosted fee model: able to scrape a direct fee. 4. Use someone elses 2 or 3 
16:39:57 <plowsof> as doug says "can't just be charity cases right, we need these tools to be self sufficient, they need to be earning money""
16:40:45 <plowsof> but have it on good authority that xmrchat and tipxmr are interchangeable (in the roles they serve) thanks for confirming alex 
16:40:51 <ofrnxmr> xmrchat.monerokon.org for example, would allow monerokon to host their own instance. Xmrchat.com would allow anyone to use their instance xmrchat.xmr.ru would allow scraping fees for xmr.ru 
16:41:18 <plowsof> that would be a "worst case scenario" ofrnxmr , competition 
16:41:31 <ofrnxmr> competition is best case scenario
16:41:45 <plowsof> but how can my instance be profitable?
16:42:01 <ofrnxmr> Its not competition, its business. Xmrchat.coms official instance wouldnt want to host the types of streams that i want to host, if you get my drift 
16:42:02 <plowsof> i need the big streamers to use my service