18:35:14 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> Hello, what's next for the XMRChat CCS? Do you need a receive address from me? If so, where should I enter that? Can use my birdpay on X for convenience. plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:
18:37:06 <plowsof> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/530 
18:40:13 <plowsof> has anyone launched their own xmrchat from the source/instructions provided? at the last meeting i think mrcyjanek took a look? 
18:41:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Luigi has to do merges
18:42:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and i highly doubt the ccs wallet is in cake wallet 🥲
18:45:19 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> OK, just checking that no one is waiting on me for anything.
18:46:11 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> Not yet hat I know of
18:46:24 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> > <@m-relay:monero.social> <p​lowsof> has anyone launched their own xmrchat from the source/instructions provided? at the last meeting i think mrcyjanek took a look? 
18:46:24 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> Not yet that I know of
18:52:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Q. Is it possibly to have a % based model instead of / in addition to opt-in donation
18:52:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lets say i wanted to host xmrchats for a demographic and charge 20%
18:54:33 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> Monero goes directly from tipping fan to the content creator's wallet. It doesn't first go to a wallet controlled by XMRChat where a % can be split off.
18:58:20 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Did you get my last message in the PM room? 🤔
18:58:36 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Not the new one I just created, don't even accept that invite lol. The old and only one.
19:22:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Is it possible tho? I guess it would be either that the fan sends a split payment or an automated custodial solution. The former can be gamed (fan can just delete the smaller tx)
19:24:25 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> Nope, nothing new from you in our old room
19:28:31 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> Should be possible, yes. But we're not interested in doing that.
19:38:53 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> I pinged you on SimpleX rottenwheel:
19:41:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rottenwheel
19:41:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> MEEEEEOWWWWWWWWWWWWww
19:42:02 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> PUUUUUUUUURRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrr
21:21:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hm. So fully donationware? No way to run it as a service? I think such a feature would help adoption a lot
22:00:40 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> On our homepage we tout, "With XMRChat you receive 100% of your XMR tips from fans, directly to your Monero wallet." We think being able to make this claim attracts content creators, and thus adoption.
22:03:41 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Grrr. Matrix moment.
22:03:53 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> I'll copy and paste my last message to you on SimpleX in a few moments.
22:04:07 <m-relay> <r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> [@syntheticbird:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/@syntheticbird:monero.social) mmeeeooooowwwwww.
22:11:13 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> i'd be using docker secrets for `ADMIN_MONERO_PRIVATE_VIEW_KEY=`
22:13:28 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> looks like it requires twitch account https://github.com/sa8ab/xmrchat/blob/09f4509742ced90038b107573038684e895c3fb8/server/.env.example#L59
22:14:09 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> It only requires a Twitch account to display messages on screen when using Streamyard.
22:15:36 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> Creators can otherwise use OBS to display messages on screen, or not display the messages on screen and just read them out loud from the tip page, or another display page content creators have access to
22:20:41 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> on a diff note has vtnerd worked out if they will have a docker image?
22:20:56 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> i think its a block  for usage for people
22:22:56 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> people use https://github.com/valkey-io/valkey instead of redis now, since its Redis Source Available License 2.0 (RSALv2) Agreement
22:23:14 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> commands are the same
22:25:56 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah but thats assuming self hosting and is a bit disingenuous if youre offering a tier that can only be unlocked by donating a specific %
22:26:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> > <@fiatdemise:matrix.org> On our homepage we tout, "With XMRChat you receive 100% of your XMR tips from fans, directly to your Monero wallet." We think being able to make this claim attracts content creators, and thus adoption.
22:26:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah but thats assuming self hosting or using xmrchat.com, and is a bit disingenuous if youre offering a tier that can only be unlocked by donating a specific %
22:27:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Self hosting would of course be 100% free, but youre offering your backend for free* with a more limited featureset
22:27:21 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> or https://docs.keydb.dev/
22:28:14 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> if you can manage to selfhost i think it should all be free
22:28:30 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> last time i heard of KeyDB. revolt.chat indicated stability issues
22:28:52 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it was 2 years ago i think
22:29:07 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> snapchat has fixed it !
22:29:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> And the "donation" unlocks "premium" features. My suggestion is the same as the donation, only automatic and instead of unlocking features it would include all features. An example would be a backend that doesnt have a free tier / only has the premium tier
22:29:18 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> seems to be fine for me
22:29:39 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> but i see alot of people using valkey
22:47:45 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> I disagree. If a content creator uses the hosted xmrchat.com, and never donates, 100% of tips from fans do still go directly to their wallet.
22:48:56 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Do they have access to the full feature set
22:51:10 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> On xmrchat.com, no. On self hosted yes. The premium features like notifications haven't been built yet, btw.
22:52:15 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> so its limited on the service running, not to build it?
22:53:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tips going directly to users wallet is fine for free and donation model, but not for saas
22:53:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah. Self hosted has no restrictions
22:53:14 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> Only limited on the service we run on xmrchat.com
22:54:21 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> what about if i run one, same situation ?
22:54:30 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> or its all free
22:55:05 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> If you host a site, all free.
22:56:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> does the backend track donations? Maybe another route would be like "1 month free" where i can request N% of the monthly total to continue the subscription
22:56:56 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> i think ofrn is asking for a model to support costs ?
22:57:21 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> I made a comment on the CCS with more info on fees, features, and hosted vs not if you'd like to learn more.
22:57:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> does the backend track xmrchat tips*? Maybe another route would be like "1 month free" where i can request N% of the monthly total to continue the subscription
22:57:46 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> I'm out of time for tonight.
23:11:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think hosting a low-friction paid version has a lot of potential for adoption, while making it worthwhile for actual companies to integrate
23:20:43 <m-relay> <v​tnerd:monero.social> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Qbit Advocate) Backup: you mean an official image listed on their site?
23:21:09 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> or your github account
23:28:25 <plowsof> a for profit business starting without the fee model is common?
23:36:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Afaik business that integrates something like this. 1st q "whats it in for me"
23:36:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why would any company switch from, or add, something that loses them $
23:37:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> iirc even tiktok has some way of sending money or gifts to streamers. Why would tiktok give up their cut to switch to a decentralized model
23:39:00 <plowsof> hypothetically, lets say you are a big streamer, on twitch. and you are making thousands from "xmr_chat", would twitch want in on that eventually? i don't know, just a thought
23:40:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if youre big on twitch, theres no reason to switch to xmrchat
23:41:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre making $ from whatever exists already and youd be losing a LOT of money by switching to a platform with like 1/1000th of the people who would send $
23:42:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But if there was $ in it for twitch, twitch might switch from whatever they use now
23:42:35 <plowsof> at least they dont have to "switch" they just continue on twitch platform and have a "xmr_chat" user displaying donations -> text on their stream 
23:42:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> because whatever cemtralized option twitch uses, twitch also loses $
23:42:48 <plowsof> or the OBS method 
23:43:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lets say twitch uaes credit cards to fund acct, twitch loses 2.5%. Twitch them also probably scraped 2.5% from the streamer
23:43:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm talking about twitch switching, not the user
23:44:25 <plowsof> oh i see
23:44:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i'm thinking about onboarding the stream service providers
23:45:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If twitch could save 2.5% on visa fees, they could pocket 4% from the streamer
23:46:13 <plowsof> definitely not lol they need to make sure everything is squeaky clean and check where the funds came from
23:46:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and if they still wanted to allow users to use credit etc, they can use xmr as "tokens"
23:47:00 <plowsof> twitch would be on trocador , rating F 
23:47:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nah, this isnt exactly a white market 🙃
23:58:27 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> after a quick search, paypal donations do not involve twitch so they can't get fees, so that is comparable to monreo and its fine
23:59:03 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> they try to combat this by rewarding the donor if they donate "bits" or howevery they're called by ... well, special emojis of course