00:01:22 What does this mean 00:01:50 Paypal twitch donations? 00:02:17 so for twitch, streamers can accept donations via paypal (comments displayed). these are external sources of moneys and twitch can't touch em or get a % 00:05:18 (ignoring that paypal barely qualifies as money.. chargebacks and such, just an example of an external revenue source without twitchs sticky fingers) 00:26:07 Twitch was a bad example then :D 00:27:23 Twitch bits would be what xmrchat is to replace 00:27:59 But still, twitch was a bad example 00:38:59 <321bob321:monero.social> meeting adjorned 01:20:04 plowsof I wish all CCS got so much scrutiny like this... 01:20:10 Jeezus. 01:20:36 [@fiatdemise:matrix.org](https://matrix.to/#/@fiatdemise:matrix.org) whenever we meet in meatspace I'll get you a beer if this gets merged. 01:20:38 Lol. 01:41:26 <321bob321:monero.social> More like how it should function, tbh not sure how the hoster benefits from it for free 01:41:43 <321bob321:monero.social> Add google analytics api 01:50:57 Rottenwheel me too, it's nice when a proposer drops by,. It also gets more eyes on it. I even got to share some strengths of xmrchat 💪 01:51:46 Ok bruv. 01:51:54 Isn't it past your bed time? 01:52:05 Should I boil some water for your tea bb? 01:59:27 Plowsof, dont 4get, rotten thinks youre talking to yourself 02:00:28 In his eyes, you were chatting to yourself 02:02:50 Don't have to go back to school until next week so im allowed to finger the pulse for as long as i want. Tea sounds great thank you. Keeping track of my selves is tiresome 02:03:17 lol 02:03:38 Any preference, sir? 02:03:46 Black tea, earl gray? 02:03:51 English breakfast? 02:04:00 Green tea to stay fit? 💅 02:13:29 Remember https://pay.paralelnipolis.cz/apps/asA5typAsbPibcueKBt8JcuwUtT/crowdfund 02:15:27 I paid and got served and never saw them again 🥲 02:23:07 plowsof: "Campaign not active" 02:33:49 :( 02:41:02 The tea was delicious so I'll give em that 02:41:28 If there will be a hackerspace, I think they should be allowed to come and do their ceremonies periodically at least 02:41:56 His Twitter doesnt exist any more https://x.com/KodnarMichal 02:42:56 Exit scamming... on tea? 02:43:05 Nice, I guess. 🤔 02:45:16 > a chance to win a rare collectors item - a Japanese opium pipe 02:45:19 Top donors get a chance to win an opium pipe 🥳 02:49:00 That's the spirit!! 04:38:43 I'm not looking for Twitch, or YouTube, or X to integrate XMRChat. I don't see that as possible for the same reasons Monero is being kicked off centralized exchanges. 04:42:58 Twitch charges 40% for their "bits". Youtube ~30%. I'm looking for the streamers, podcasters, etc, to tell their audiences to go to their XMRChat page, where they can interact with their audiences without a giant chunk of their earnings going to big tech. 04:44:29 They content creators don't need to leave their current platform, they can keep doing what they know, except have one more revenue stream and backup plan in case they get demonetized. 04:45:17 The content creators don't need to leave their current platform, they can keep doing what they know, except have one more revenue stream and backup plan in case they get demonetized. 04:57:58 Anyway, back to defining next steps for the XMRChat CCS, sounds like Luigi needs to do merge. Do I need to contact Luigi to do this? Is doing this already on his calendar? Is anything preventing Luigi from doing this? 04:58:57 I saw one question about someone else launching their own self hosted XMRChat. Is that a blocker to Luigi performing the merge? Are there any other blockers? 07:34:52 Its possibly a blocker for payout of a related milestone 07:36:43 You need to be patient. There's been 0 action on any ccs 07:49:21 also, it only has 2 upvotes (one of them being me) 07:55:08 Translation....: we want this (and by extension, monero) to remain niche. 07:55:10 twitch & youtube can charge those fees because the end result is still worthwhile for the streamer. 07:55:12 theres a fundamental adoption problem if you expect streamers to self host, or to rely on / expect xmrchat.com to platform them. 07:55:14 > The XMRChat service will need to limit content to only legal content. We'll reserve the right to disable the tip page of any user we catch engaged in criminal activity. 07:55:16 since there is 07:55:18 1. The ability to prompt for a donation 07:55:20 2. The ability to disable a tip account 07:55:22 i think adding this isnt a big ask 3. The ability to require (1) be paid to keep a tip account active 08:36:43 <321bob321:monero.social> Will you be adding options to use backblaze as s3 ie endpoint, access key , secret key,region ? 08:59:55 <4rkal:monero.social> What happened to monezon? 09:06:46 They disappeared a bit and ppl made some complaints on twitter 09:07:56 They addressed complaints saying that it was essentially a hard business iirc. I havent heard anything since 12:24:18 I have explained much of this in earlier conversations and in the CCS. I am busy and need to focus my time on what achieves results. Using the word "possibly" when it comes to requirements is asking for confusion and delay. Let's cut to the chase. monderbull2: , are you just offering your ideas for XMRChat? Or do you have the power to, and will you block funding if I do not agree with your ideas? 12:24:48 Offering ideas 12:25:13 <321bob321:monero.social> Lol blocking 12:26:08 I'm literally 1/2 people that voted for the ccs, and also pushed to allow absorbing all of tipxmr's funds instead of partoal 12:26:20 Pretty much the opposite of blocking, i'd think 12:27:29 <321bob321:monero.social> Core is the only one that can really block it 12:29:10 #kewbitLivesOn 12:29:16 Is the number of likes on the CCS important? The X post going over the CCS got 48 likes if that helps. 12:29:39 Yes 12:30:03 <321bob321:monero.social> I thought it was decided ? 12:30:49 X and reddit are pretty pointless. People who attend meetings and vote on gitlab (not driveby voters) are weighed much more heavily 12:30:50 Isn't the 50+ content creators already signed up and using XMRChat more important than the opinion of people not interested in this project? 12:30:56 But like dan said, sometimes core does what core wants 12:31:31 No, because then you wouldn't need ccs 12:32:35 While its a good metric to say that the product is functional and popular, it also says that you still need funding outside of what those 50 people can provide 12:36:39 .. but again, youre preaching to the choir. I voted in favor of this ccs 12:38:30 we have ~0% success rate for repurposed ccs'. This might be the first successful one 😅 12:39:51 <321bob321:monero.social> Let's hope so 12:40:08 <321bob321:monero.social> And maintained for a while 12:40:50 Me too. Monderbull2 comments made me worried for a bit that goalposts shifted, but he was only offering ideas. I'm just looking for clarity on next steps, who needs to do what, and timeline. 12:41:27 <321bob321:monero.social> Luigi needs to merge and then make it rain 12:41:48 <321bob321:monero.social> Very Soon™️ 12:42:15 <321bob321:monero.social> Hes on island time 12:42:26 Alright, thx! 12:54:28 Just skip past his messages. He doesn't like anything and disrupts rooms all the time. Just ignore. 12:55:26 Your mental health will improve considerably once you click on profile and hit ignore. And no, he is not responsible for anything in the CCS decision-process beyond 'offering' his 'community input'. lol 12:55:52 Good morning, afternoon, evening, sirs and madames! Onwards. 🫡 12:58:01 Nonsense, as always 13:00:33 He has me on ignore, so clearly he missed the part where i said that I was just offering ideas 13:01:00 I'm confused, I was mainly talking with monderbull2. But now I see "monderbull2 changed their display name to ofrnxmr". Was that ofrnxmr the whole time? 13:01:17 yaa 13:01:32 Why did you do that? 13:02:51 monderbull2? A few of us changed out name to monderbull because kewbit likes to say were all the same person 13:03:06 changed back to avoid confusion 13:04:04 Qtip likes to misspell our names haha. 13:04:31 Synbhebird (Crodyceps infected 🍄☣️) monderbull explain yerselves. 13:04:32 😬 apologies if you thought i was someone else 13:05:29 <321bob321:monero.social> Yeah ofrn 13:05:45 <321bob321:monero.social> Always check mxid 13:07:40 We all are monderbull. 13:08:09 except for rotten. Rotten hates monderbull 13:10:05 xD 13:10:06 it was some bs qbit war spouting cant recall the context but so wi changed to it 13:11:59 Does anyone know of a reliable Mozilla Send instance by chance? Need to send a 2 GB++ file to someone. 13:12:44 used one a lot but temporaly down cuz admin is an idiot (serv dont huve storage anymork cuz of.all his porn) 13:13:24 Also I see more and more Lufi 13:13:32 firefox send less and less 13:13:47 used one a lot but temporaly down cuz admin is an idiot (serv dont huve storage anymork, probabl? cuz of all his porn) 13:14:09 send.vis.ee 13:15:23 Someone fwd to wetwheel 13:16:38 I found a few instances, will give them a shot ser. 13:16:52 It even has a password-protection for recipient, nice. 13:17:12 looking at chatons, its all lufi but like 3 13:17:54 I thought we were all psychoticbird 13:23:53 IRC never saw the change to moderbull, always saw ofrnxmr 13:24:08 IRC sees truth :D 13:25:07 yeah irc dont see the nick just the handlename 13:25:17 wait, who am I? 13:25:39 Meneromow 13:26:00 Memenorowow 13:26:17 coin. 13:26:18 everyone knows, c'mon. 13:26:39 Luigi 13:26:49 good good, as long as everyone knows 13:27:42 Only irc knows. Rottens a snitch 15:06:46 nice name sir 15:11:42 meow 15:17:54 meow 15:19:17 cat says woof 15:43:59 ofrnxmr I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT I KNOW YOU KNOW IT. who is working on the WASM wallet project ? 15:53:05 Spirobel 15:56:52 thx 16:00:43 oooh wasm wallet 16:00:45 neat 16:09:25 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/501#note_27890 16:15:47 @room an update regarding Kewbits CCS proposal https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/536 16:18:04 sorry to at everyone for a none keystone related update 16:22:00 I think thats your first at room ever. Shoud I bring 🍿? 16:23:47 🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿 16:24:27 after reading, it seems we come to a closure. 16:29:42 The end of Kewbit's Arc 16:29:54 To be continued in Monero community 16:57:47 Thats not closure 16:58:21 ceetee.mx 16:58:22 ``` 16:58:24 Given this, the expert witness review will now focus solely on: 16:58:26 Validating the legitimacy of the previous Milestone 2 payout (75 XMR)10. 16:58:28 Assessing the utility of the existing open source code for future development. 16:58:30 ``` 16:59:54 And the reference for the "devoid of opinion re extra currocular activities" points to https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/334#note_19962 16:59:56 soloptxmr 16:59:58 Where we paid a scammer to change his milestones and abandon the still unfinished ccs 17:01:50 Using a failed example is literally saying that the failed example sets precedent to continue to repeat the same mistakes 17:02:29 coming to a closure = not there yet 17:02:39 dont put words into my mouth 17:02:45 Yes, ccs is devoid of opinion, but mj and kewbits "extracurricular" activities are related to and enabled by the ccs. 17:03:45 eh I guess my original message can be understood wrong. Grammer is hard. 17:03:56 You said "come" not "coming" :) 17:05:40 Its not like cancelling them because they have some religious belief. The solopt ccs said explicitly that mj would own the project and remain until completion. Then he was paid in full for abandoning it. Extracurricular == his relationship with whoever falling apart. It doesnt change the fact that his proposal stated that he would, himself, finish the proposal if his partners failed 17:09:19 And kewbit spent his time and ccs money to undermine, impersonate, attack and purchase digital real estate/seo of haveno, reto, haveno and reto contributors, as well as other ecosystem community such as monerofund, basicswap 17:12:53 I agree with the basic premise that ccs has no opinion and that extracurricular activities arent ccs' concern, but to pretend like codeberg.org/HavenoDEX, haveno.com, withholding of code and requesting payouts for proprietary binaries, (while presenting unfinished, barely functional, generated template code when he had a completely different commit history at home) is anything but extracurrocular 17:15:09 Its like paying someone to build a house, and they ask for some extra money, so you drive over to the property to see how it looks.. when you get there, you find kewbit rubbing shit on the walls and yelling in a megaphone "PLOWSOOFFF PAID ME FOR THISSSS". Thats pretty "on the clock" and not-extracurricular 17:43:27 I think it's spelled _themselves_, not themself, '_mate_'. 17:43:44 Just close that goddamn MR and let's move on! 17:44:06 Happy weekend, sirs and madames! Except [@syntheticbird:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/@syntheticbird:monero.social), not him. 17:47:46 themselves sounds like a plural and accusing of multiple sock accounts! can edit that thanks 17:57:10 > The decision is simple and the contractor has only themself to blame. 17:57:12 this is correct. Not themselves 17:57:46 > A contractor presented themselves 17:57:48 here too: themself 17:58:17 (singular) 17:59:56 wait a min. Is themself even a word. 17:59:58 Himself, herself, yourself ... "themself" 18:01:05 (Dictionary says yes) 18:25:03 tobtoht full-time feather + core development (3 months) has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/tobtoht-2025Q1.html 18:25:04 j-berman full-time development (4 months) has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/j-berman-3months-full-time-9.html 18:25:05 0xfffc full-time C++ development (3 months, Jan, Feb, Mar, 2025) has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/ 0xfffc-2025Q1.html 18:44:22 tobtoht jberman 0xfffc all your funding required CCS proposal links have been posted via @MoneroSpace on X. Congrats. https://x.com/MoneroSpace // nitter: https://xcancel.com/MoneroSpace 18:45:55 another merge request up for feedback, immediate closure of a few proposals, and a 6month flat deadline for several others, with suggestions for how the funds could be used https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/537 18:45:57 Whoa. https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/537 18:46:09 jynx 18:46:44 lol. 18:49:36 > In the event of a new proposal being made that gains the approval of the community for funding - the relinquished funds will not be available as they are to be repurposed for something else (to be decided). 18:49:36 i NACK this 18:50:58 if the same proposal is reopened and approved, its the same thing as being approved for an extension. donors shouldnt have to donate multiple times to the same proposal, so that we can use the money for something else 18:51:35 Also, need to clarify that these funds will be kept in ccs and not sent to generalfund 18:51:57 For proposals that are not granted extensions 18:53:25 likelihood of the community approving someone to continue with the same proposal in 6+ months is probably low, the barrier being even higher as they would have to raise their own funds 18:53:42 The OSPEAD proposal is probably one that should have MRL decide the fate of. In context of fcmp actually launching, etc 18:54:37 i agree, but i also dont think that if community did approve that the funds should have to be raised again. Thats just a bad recipe. Think about it from donor perspective 18:55:34 if they come back in 12 months with the same proposal, the funds are gone already (presumably) so to cover that an extension timeline? would have to be in place 18:55:58 Whether thats new donor or old donor. Old donor: "i already funded this. You want to spend my $ on something else?" New donor: "this was funded and the $ is right there, but i'm supposed to pay more into it?" 18:57:09 I'm more referring to if in 6 months they have made significant progress but not enough to close out the ccs, and then ask for an extension but have to re-raise the funds 18:58:33 they have 6 months to make that known, a good example of this would be koe who is , of last update quite close to finishing the hours (from memory, no link) a caveat could be added to cover this somehow 19:00:08 the ccs id HODL'ing my funds - i have no reason to complete as i can apply for an extension is something i want to avoid 19:09:25 FWIW, a 6 month deadline on my OSPEAD proposal sounds fine to me. By the way, OSPEAD should be used in the FCMP code because a wallet will be able to request decoy outputs from nodes when constructing a FCMP transaction as a simpler alternative to the full tree building in the wallet. The decoy outputs do not appear on the chain, but a malicious remote node could use the decoy inf 19:09:26 ormation to reduce user privacy if the decoy distribution is poor. 19:26:26 <321bob321:monero.social> ^ 19:33:22 <321bob321:monero.social> 6months without update 20:15:24 Bruv. Tweet the CfP first, not the sponsors... 😑. https://x.com/monero/status/1875267914208833831 20:38:32 And Cake Wallet is the main tweet while Trocador is just a reply. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 20:39:41 <321bob321:monero.social> Hmm 20:40:36 <321bob321:monero.social> So someone from cake is in control ? 20:40:45 <321bob321:monero.social> Conflict much 20:41:57 I don't think so, but the person managing the handle is weird for sure. 20:43:22 They post a _lot_ if cake partnerships 20:43:36 <321bob321:monero.social> Hmm 20:43:44 Oh look, cake did ledger, oh look, keystone, oh look cupcake, oh look cake released a new version 20:44:02 <321bob321:monero.social> Yeah cake marketing 20:44:15 <321bob321:monero.social> Self interest 20:44:44 When sgp was running it, it was obv.but sgp isnt anymore so now its just weird 20:45:17 There are 2 cypherpunk heros. Why only cake got tweeted? 20:46:12 And agreeing with rotten, why not tweet the cfp? 20:47:20 <321bob321:monero.social> https://defcon.social/@monero⊙mo 20:47:22 <321bob321:monero.social> Whoa in control of this ? 20:47:50 <321bob321:monero.social> Cake pays better 20:49:15 <321bob321:monero.social> Bot account 21:20:22 https://moneronews.net/ 21:20:24 Guess who 21:20:38 Elon /j 21:20:45 Xmr.social is the new website 21:49:49 <321bob321:monero.social> https://moneronews.net/kewbit-drama/ 21:56:34 are both of these authentic? 22:14:52 vik monero > cake 22:15:50 Both of what authentic? The websites? No, they are bootlegs by kewbit 22:22:59 <321bob321:monero.social> https://hub.docker.com/r/vdo1138/monero-lws/tags vtnerd looks like someone has already done it 22:23:13 <321bob321:monero.social> vtnerd 22:27:59