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14:13:22 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Since Monero has developers and researchers in the USA, can anything be done to add it to CoinGecko's Made In the USA list? https://www.coingecko.com/en/categories/made-in-usa
14:14:40 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Monero project is apolitical and international (thus the X in XMR)
14:14:44 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Allegedly, coins "Made in the USA" will have no taxes
14:15:14 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mind elaborating on which tax we are talking about?
14:15:28 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Capital gains taxes
14:15:55 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Capital gains taxes
14:16:23 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Yes I know, but it has been developed in the USA
14:16:39 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> really not
14:16:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> some old standing contributors are russian
14:16:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Says who
14:16:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I live in north korea
14:16:57 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Several of Monero's top developers and cryptographers are USA based
14:17:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof lives in russia
14:17:04 <sech1> Hello
14:17:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> hey sech1
14:17:19 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> also hey Andrey who made the net stack
14:17:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Synthetic is from zimbabwe
14:17:24 <sech1> Who said Russian?
14:17:40 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sech1 dont tell me you have Russian as a notif keyword lmao
14:17:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> selsta is from syria
14:17:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fluffy south africa
14:17:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> luigi is from gaza strip
14:18:22 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Dr. Brandon Goodell & Dr. Aaron Feickert did a lot for Monero's cryptography and they are USA based
14:18:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> they were sarang and surae at the time
14:18:50 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Aka Surae & Sarang Noether from the Monero Research Lab
14:19:18 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Luke Parker
14:19:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what about shen? Shen was from china
14:19:28 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Justin Ehrenhofer, etc
14:19:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i think the only americsn is kayaba and he doesnt identify as a monero dev
14:19:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Justin is a fed
14:19:53 <sech1> syntheticbird who knows, maybe
14:20:05 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Not Justin Berman?
14:20:23 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes Mr. X (TCV Staff) fwiw Goodel and Feickert didn't participated in monero development directly but only as third-party auditors
14:20:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or as close to one as can be without actually being one (ehrenhofer)
14:20:42 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there is vtnerd who is american
14:20:45 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> kayaba
14:20:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and justin berman
14:20:55 <sech1> what is the "made in USA" list? Some new Trump thing?
14:21:09 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sech1 yes he tries to buy favors
14:21:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> moneromooo is a martian or a mooonman
14:22:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Articmine is canadian
14:22:05 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> See there's another American Monero dev.  Hence my point
14:22:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> your point is pointless
14:22:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The point is that were interspacial
14:22:34 <sech1> The original Cryptonote codebase that Monero used, was developed by Andrey Sabelnikov. Doesn't sound American to me.
14:22:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I get the "We have an american so we can declare XMR american" but it's against monero ethos + would not be nice agains contributors from other countries
14:22:58 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Several of Monero's devs are USA based so it should qualify to be on the Made In USA list, and therefore exempt from US capital gains tax.
14:23:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We have contributions from americans, yes. But id say 80+% of the code is not americal
14:23:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its exempt by virtue of not being publicly traded, duh.
14:23:42 <sech1> IIRC moneromooo is anonymous, could be from anywhere
14:23:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like putting capital gains on my shoe collection
14:24:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, sech1. The mooo stands for mooon
14:24:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hyc isnt american either
14:29:04 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Mr. X (TCV Staff): please be patient with ofrnxmr he have a sharp tongue
14:29:17 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> his point holds tho
14:30:48 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> From the CoinGecko page: "Refers to cryptocurrencies that have significant connections to the United States, either through their founding team or company headquarters." The founding team did not identify as a US team if you ask me, and Monero certainly has no company headquarter
14:31:15 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> What is the "TCV" in "TCV Staff"?
14:32:01 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> luigi1111 time to buy a fake company in the Delaware
14:35:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The crypto vigilante, i think
14:36:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Isnt monero already trademarked somewhere by the fluff
14:36:45 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not fluff
14:36:59 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Yup, Mr. X is here: https://cryptovigilante.io/who-is-tcv/
14:38:26 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> "The Crypto Vigilante is the premier financial newsletter specializing in crypto-asset markets." Yeah, please feature us as "Made in the USA" in that newsletter. I want more investors, finally :)
14:42:50 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> I was dropping the idea here since Monero has a 501c3 charity headquartered in the USA
14:43:22 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> So arguably it might fulfill the requirement, and many of the devs & researchers are USA based
14:44:46 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you're talking about MAGIC ?
14:45:48 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Sure
14:47:11 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> They help fund Monero research & development correct?
14:47:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah i guess that could count tho arguably CCS have funded much more than MAGIC
14:50:18 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Yes but MAGIC gives it ties to the USA and could satisfy the requirements IMO.  I just wanted to jump start the idea here in case someone is willing to go through the process of getting Monero's added to CoinGecko's Made in USA list.  If Monero gets on that list (and establishes itself more officially in the USA) it could pump as a result Trump crypto tax policies.
14:50:58 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Yes but MAGIC gives it ties to the USA and could satisfy the requirements IMO.  I just wanted to jump start the idea here in case someone is willing to go through the process of getting Monero's added to CoinGecko's Made in USA list.  If Monero gets on that list (and establishes itself more officially in the USA) it could pump as a result of Trump crypto tax policies.
14:52:10 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i understand your endeavor but many here would hate such affiliation and actively reject the idea of pumping monero this way.
14:52:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monero is a currency. a currency is meant to be used
14:52:58 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> obviously these are just ethics but they are overweimingly present in the community
14:53:42 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> at least thanks for bringing the idea it might get discussed by other when they are online
14:54:33 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> And if Monero has zero capital gains tax in the USA then more normies will be willing to use it as money IMO
14:55:07 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Also investors will buy XMR when they realize there is no capital gains tax
14:56:08 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> And adoption will increase
14:56:37 <m-relay> <m​r_x_tcv:matrix.org> Big companies will accept XMR as payment
14:56:59 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Made in USA = law abiding coin = backdoors
14:57:10 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fair point. If we forget the problem of having been historically international (the X in XMR means international) and that XMR get drafted as made in USA. Then wouldn't we have a problem for the future. Imagine Europe, or Asia, or Africa decide to do similar, are going to jump over "Made in X" again? This wouldn't make any sense.
14:57:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ^
14:57:27 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Any decentralised coin can’t be made in X
14:57:29 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> forgot to reply
15:00:01 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the point here is that if we choose to be "Made in USA" then in a probable future where other countries to do similar, we're arguably advantaging a population over another one, that's positive discrimination.
15:00:42 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the point here is that if we choose to be "Made in USA" then in a probable future when other countries do similar and we get rejected from Made in X (which make sense since we would be Made in USA), we're arguably advantaging a population over another one, that's positive discrimination.
15:49:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I want it to say "made in gaza"
15:51:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I bet there's no capital gains tax for Palestinians in Palestine
15:51:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro thinks USA is the only country in the world, or that monero is a product of USA
15:51:55 <m-relay> <s​qu3aky:unredacted.org> I like to think that Monero is country agnostic - it should not care about an action like this in one country or another. It will exist regardless. Also if used as intended (peer to peer cash) and not a speculative asset, capital gains taxes are a moot point. If enough people use the network in this way, determining where transactions went is not possible post FCMP.
15:52:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> USA barelyakes anythinf anymlre. Even toothpaste is "distributed by usa" but made in mexico
15:52:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Best tools are "made in taiwan
15:53:07 <nioc> soon the usa usa usa will own everything so.......
15:53:36 <nioc> a fever dream  
16:21:11 <m-relay> <4​rkal:monero.social> https://cyphergoat.com/
16:23:01 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> 4rkal:  ?
16:31:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah bro wth? Lmao