02:21:19 <321bob321:monero.social> SDK where ? 02:29:26 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/vd-wallet-sdk-android.html 02:35:01 He means "where" 02:37:58 Must not be native English speaker. Guess he meant to say "wen". 02:40:12 <321bob321:monero.social> If* 02:40:53 <321bob321:monero.social> 9months soon™️ 02:42:24 19* months 02:43:03 Thats may 2023, not 2024 02:44:15 merge request was opened only 653 days ago, these things can't be rushed 02:45:19 like painting a large bridge - when you get half way FCMP++ is being released 02:46:27 Wen monero polymarket? 02:46:31 SDK vs FCMP++, which will be first 02:47:07 Is there a date for FCMP++? 02:47:12 OTHER >quantum broke all encryption 02:50:19 Is there a date for FCMP++? <<>> 1 year from whenever the question is asked 02:50:49 HF date 02:52:07 July 2026 binaries, as per nioc 02:52:36 that was a pessimistic guess 02:53:11 i think its realistic 02:54:24 We take 4-6 months to release background sync after testing on master. will probably be similar 4-6 months on testnet before we set a fork date on mainnet 02:55:08 wen 0.18.4.0 02:56:03 too soon 02:56:05 monero is wonderful, always something to look forward to :) 02:56:59 almost 11 years of constant improvement 02:58:58 tari says its coming in april nioc 🧦 02:59:25 I heard 03:00:07 great, now I know when eoy 2020 is 03:39:57 it is a bargain for the amount of work that is being done. This proposal contains three products that will make it easier to accept Monero online and easily selfhost the checkout page. No docker + walletrpc + db necessary. Just one executable and a sqlite db. There is also a vision to add more multi signature functionality and escrow features to this Payment Links product. We sta 03:39:58 rt with the basic features that people know from stripe payment links. Later on we add the ability for customers to select escrow service providers during the checkout flow. The Browser wallet will do the communication seamlessly behind the scenes via a REST api. I also think your attack regarding security is hollow. If you would read carefully you will realize that this extension 03:40:00 will work in a javascript disabled environment. Might as well attack any electron wallet app. Or any wallet app that makes requests to servers that could be dangerous. I read many browser wallet code bases and most of them are indeed how you describe them. But this is not the case here. It will practically shrink the attack surface and reduce the chance for phishing attempts beca 03:40:02 use you will have the ability to split your key material over multiple devices and verify the correctness of the transaction on multiple screens. I also disagree with your assessment that the three deliverables are not closely related. It seems like you didn't read the proposal carefully and took the time to understand what it is about. Anyway thanks for your feedback. 03:51:32 although vtnerds proposal is merged to funding, feedback is still encouraged - want something specific done with monero-lws? to focus on some other area? let him know https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/553 04:59:58 <321bob321:monero.social> yest docker /podman image ! 05:11:59 <321bob321:monero.social> wasn't vtnerd doing something with tls between nodes ? 12:05:48 Pr has been up for testing & review 4 long time 12:18:58 "Did Serai exit scam? 12:19:07 Did Serai exit scam? 12:20:02 🧠 12:20:04 I thought Serai release was coming up, but there haven't been any updates on the discord since 2024 12:21:03 Yes. They took all of the users money /s 12:21:14 abandoning a software != exit scam 12:21:14 and no afaik KayabaNerve is still working on it. I think there are some audits still going on? 12:21:42 What happened with Serai? 12:22:14 Yes, our time was wasted, and time is money 12:22:40 nothing 12:22:44 wdym 12:25:09 handle checks out 12:25:10 🦄 12:25:28 I helped with the testnet. There were promises made that it would release in 2025, and Serai was overhyped within the ThorChain community. If there is no Serai, I wasted my time for nothing 12:25:56 release in 2025 12:26:00 Bro lives in a fantasy 12:26:01 not release Q1 2025 12:26:48 It's supposed to reference monero.fail. Do you know that site? 12:27:58 With no updates since 2024, I'm not holding out hope. Monero's community has a reputation for letting people down with false promises 12:28:17 good morning Kewbit 12:28:18 I just want a clear answer. Will Serai be released in 2025? Yes or no? 12:28:25 Yes 12:28:55 That's all, thanks 12:29:19 I'm not a fan of Bitcoin 12:29:20 That is a quesiton you should ask in serai discord tho. Serai isn't a monero project 12:29:37 KayabaNerve explicitly stated and made it clear 12:29:57 Serai is not a project of the Monero communityt 12:30:22 There haven't been any activity or messages for a few days 12:30:37 ok well why don't you create the activity? 12:30:56 All the Serai shills in the TC discord are from the Monero community, whether you like it or not 12:30:57 instead of spawning in monero channel claiming monero community is a scam 12:31:23 ok nice to see you again Kewbit 12:31:24 monerobull is the only serai shill 12:31:28 plowsof please proceed 12:31:54 this is indeed offtopic / dumb 12:32:01 What is wrong with you? 12:32:24 What is TC? 12:32:36 ThorChain 12:32:40 Thorchain I guess 12:33:20 I'm not a Bitcoin maxi. Is this how the Monero community treats people who ask questions? 12:33:53 I’m ok with a ban in this case. No patience 12:34:41 Kek 12:34:44 Is this how innocent people looking for informations spawn in channel to call a community shiller and full of scammer ? 12:35:53 next time make your hypocrisy more subtle please 12:36:32 I'm being honest, I don't care at this point. My question was already answered, and I've been told that Serai will be released in 2025. I don't know why you keep calling me a cool Bitcoin maxi for asking questions 12:36:45 LMFAO 12:36:52 Kewbit is a "cool Bitcoin maxi" 12:36:57 🧠 12:37:41 Crazy 12:40:50 > My question was already answered 12:40:50 btw your question has not been answered since the only one capable and having the authority to answer it is the lead dev himself 12:41:11 I say yes based on your misunderstanding on what is a point in time and what is a priod 12:41:15 period* 12:41:31 release in 2025 means it can be released within 2025 12:41:37 NOT 1ST JANUARY 2025 12:43:24 Serai will be a game changer 12:43:37 you hyped me 12:43:41 Serai will be a game changer 12:45:40 Monero: took part in the Serai testnet, you should be thanking him for his service and move on 12:48:11 @monerobull:matrix.org I sent you a message 12:52:57 "Bargain."🤣 12:53:00 We have BTCPay Server support that makes it simple to self-host and accept XMR online. 12:53:25 And we have wallets that scan QRs that make it simple to spend XMR online. 12:53:58 You should try it, literally every wallet has had that feature for years. 12:55:01 where you asking about haveno release date? 12:56:08 Nope 13:02:29 "i agree with aremor and ive given up on this. it either launches as a money laundering operation or 2 more weeks" 13:02:31 aremor: you left this room when it didnt release in your time frame Lmao 13:02:32 "Trigger warning before mentioning time frames for aremor please " 13:02:34 i digress 13:11:19 BTCpayserver is bloated and not monero focused. (look at the name). It is good that it supports Monero, but it is really besides the point. I am aware of QRcodes. I have implemented (and obviously used) QR code based flows. I think they have their place, but they are not the end all be all. I addressed in the proposal and in the answer how the browser wallet based approach diffe 13:11:20 rs and why it has benefits 13:18:22 I left when there was no moderation & Luke was dangerously close to quitting the project entirely 13:19:23 You can literally install only Monero plugin, and soon run it with remote node. 13:19:24 Quoting someone else’s misinterpretation 13:19:44 And its the highest quality and most supported self-hosted checkout software by far. 13:20:33 "QRs are not the end all be all, give me 335 XMR so you don't have to copy paste addresses (or use QRs anymore, they're dated!)" 13:21:05 Honestly, the CCS really brings out the imagination in grifters. 13:22:03 Like that guy who wanted to make the most convoluted "offline" setup for grandmas because hot wallets are insecure for day to day spending. 🤷‍♂️ 13:22:12 I am not saying its all bad. It had a bunch of CVEs and has a lot of features that are not Monero related. It adds a lot of unnecessary friction for monero users and it feels odd to send Merchants that are interested in accepting Monero towards something that has BTC in the name 13:22:31 anyway it is really very tangential 13:23:02 It's as seamless as you need it to be for a self-hosted setup. Once remote nodes are supported, it'll be insanely easy. 13:24:34 anway its just unrelated to my CCS. this is not meant as a competitor to BTCpayserver. It is focused on Monero related features and it will go in a different direction. 13:24:59 do you work on a mobile wallet? 13:30:12 No, but I use them often enough to know that I never have to copy paste between my wallet and Tor browser! 13:31:00 do you browse the web often on your mobile phone? how do you scan qr codes on websites while browsing on mobile? 13:31:03 And even if I do, because I'm using mobile Tor browser, its such a non-issue that doesn't need solving. Copy, paste, done! 13:31:27 You think we need a mobile wallet browser just to skip copy paste? Are you OK in the head? 13:33:50 Have you had any CCSs before? 13:34:33 What about Serai and Monero's future? It might end up being like ETH where dapps are widespread. An extension wallet like Metamask would be helpful, but I think paying over 300 XMR for it is asking for too much. Chill out btw 13:35:03 Previous CCS @ https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/501#note_28799 13:35:20 I think you should read the CCS again. It is much more than just not having to copy and paste addresses. There is also a library underneath that will get a ton of new features as a result of this. I also would be thankful if you could be a bit more friendly. I know this might be an emotional topic for you, but just common courtesy is good. 13:35:46 Browser extension wallets are horrible and unnecessary, especially for XMR. 13:36:45 It's just tiring to see the CCS be used as a cash cow for ridiculous ideas. Literally people creating solutions for problems that don't exist just to get money. 13:36:47 Coming from TC, you don't know shit. Browser wallets are useful 13:37:10 Another day, another CCS J0J0XMR will go length about why he doesn't see any sense. 13:37:34 The last place I want my money is in my browser 13:37:50 and yes I agree it's way too pricey imo 13:37:57 So sir, you don't know shit. 13:38:01 Sorry sir, you don't know shit. 13:38:22 Browser wallets are *literally* the future. 13:38:25 (thats why there will be a companion app, so you can spread it over to your phone + possibly other hardware devices as well) 13:38:28 Not everyone is a shizo Monero user. Having a browser wallet can make it easier for people to switch from Phantom/Metamask to Monero 13:38:38 You scan QRs codes? What is this, 2019? 13:39:05 Buttt saaaaaaar you gotta use le Brave Wallet, it's 99.500000000000000000000000001% done 13:39:18 Those non-schizo users will just use the countless transparent chains already supported on MetaMask etc. 13:39:31 xmr <-> BAT natively supported 13:39:57 With LWS, browser wallets will be even easier to use. It will be as seamless as Solana, without all the hassle 13:40:17 Yep, but does it solve the copy/paste issue? 13:40:28 this so much true 13:40:43 I'm ready to give 4 billion dollars to exterminate the Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V 13:40:48 This seems to be duplication of monero-ts 13:41:13 this does not use LWS. It works like a normal wallet. Sharing secrets with a server is a bad idea. (LWS is still useful, but for different usecases) 13:41:17 no 13:41:26 I'm still surprised btw that no one is making reference to the monero payment typescript library from kyun.host 13:41:32 It's kickin 13:42:55 Ass-coin exists for those people 13:43:15 zealotry is shit 13:43:43 you want adoption and take people for dumb shit? thats not how it works 13:43:57 Not even, most websites now just let you click/tap the copy icon and removes the need for CTRL+C. 13:44:07 You want to gatekeep Monero for no reason? What's wrong with this community... 13:44:11 But that STILL doesn't solve the CTRL+V problem! 13:44:31 What's wrong with you summarizing an entire community over literally 2 or 3 people in a chat 13:45:34 Monero users are more technically, security, and privacy focused than the average crypto user. 13:45:53 There's a reason a browser extension wallet doesn't exist for XMR, because its a horrible idea. 13:46:15 indeed every new projects are always occupied by the nerdiest of us all. Doesn't mean the project needs to forget the entire world in the process, unless it wants to die eventually 13:46:18 Sniffing your own farts 13:46:28 In before "but what about the grandmas who will want to use XMR." 13:46:57 We should just fork doge so we can accommodate everyone! What good is a different feature set? 13:47:09 in bf4 "SEE THIS CCS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE" 13:47:16 !RemindMe 1000 years 13:47:19 90% of the drug users who use Monero aren't smarter than the people working in the trenches. I don't even think they know how to provide LP or what DeFi means 13:47:22 Theyll run their own lws 13:47:38 LOL what does LP or DeFi have to do with Monero?! 13:48:00 Nah, they'll just build a NoShore setup. Easy as. 13:48:07 Monero is Web3 ready!!!! 13:48:13 Serai idiot 13:48:14 pardon me 13:48:18 Monero is Web4 ready!!! 13:48:20 Web4* 13:48:36 plowsof ban kewbit please 13:48:38 weeb5 13:48:47 STFU AND TAKE MY MONEY 13:49:27 Not everyone wants to provide liquidity on Cake Wallet. Frontends will exist, and a browser wallet can make the process easier 13:49:45 SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY 13:49:48 Or perform swaps 13:50:36 baiting 2 rusty screws and 1$ of freshly mined BTC and a bottle of shampoo that xmrfailed is techleaks24 13:54:11 We need a weekly shitposting workgroup meeting 13:55:43 https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/commit/bd32182b9a95cb17e5664e7b903106c78b4887bc 13:56:00 ofrnxmr: Looks like we made a dent in UW's plans. 13:56:41 Kek 13:57:11 Were they going to make people pay to use Monero in their wallet? 13:58:27 They were going to make people pay to opt out of data collection, to use tor, to add a duress password 13:58:52 Is Duress Mode also remaining free? What are they charging for then? 13:58:58 🤡 13:59:03 that is crazy 13:59:27 Complete scam operation 13:59:40 Almost as crazy as 335 XMR for a browser extension wallet. 13:59:47 It was my plan since the beginning 13:59:52 fuck WRONG ALT 14:05:59 In light of recent events: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1163 14:06:16 Maybe markets stuff? i dont yse the gplay version, so i'm not sure what theyre charging for. 14:06:18 fdroid version should remain 100% free, according to their twitter response 14:07:26 yeah it is crazy. It will be a crazy amount of work. But I want to do this ever since people complained about the lack of privacy weeb3. Metamask did what they did with millions of VC dollars. Now they are focused on institutional investors. I saw other wildly used wallets lose its way as well. Its a shame that they once drove innovation and now this energy is gone. 14:07:55 # ***weeb*** 14:08:09 i also think its interesting that darkfi decided against going towards the browser which is a mistake 14:08:41 Hard pass 14:09:23 Never going to happen on Monero. 14:09:38 Or maybe they are sane and know browser wallets are stupid. 14:09:52 I remember some people saying that about Cuprate 14:09:57