01:12:53 Revuo Monero Issue 230: March 2 - 9, 2025. https://www.revuo-xmr.com/weekly/issue-230/ 01:12:58 tks plowsof! 08:51:14 hey folks, what's my next post going to be about? Haveno or go on with Monero's problems? They are both going to happen anyway, just a matter of order of publishing 10:07:39 I was asking what people would prefer me to work on first and you ban me @monerobull? My contributions are not allowed becasue you don't like me? You are not even trying to hide your attempst of censorship and to cancel me? No warning, no temporary ban, just permabanned for asking a question? Is this how it works here now? 10:08:16 quite shamefull really. You might not like me, but you shouldn't have the right to stop me from contributing 10:19:37 i see your questions. 10:19:49 i'd like to read about haveno 10:43:25 midipoet sadly that uestion got me banned from matrix 10:44:06 Apparently the poll that monerobull did last week about banning me, where a whole 7 people voted. Was enough as a reason 10:44:27 we make bigger decisions with less people 10:44:32 anyway, i hope here people have more sense. Thanks for the feedback midipoet 10:44:58 consensus was reached after you harassed people for the entire day 10:45:28 luckily the logs are public and anyone can ee how i just answered to accusations. I don't want to be dragged again in having to answering lies about me 10:46:07 stop your gaslighting attempts erc 10:46:09 Please just leave us alone again. The last 2 years were pretty chill without you. 10:50:24 Back to seriousness: This series i started to write has as a goal to identify sistemic and not issues about Monero and come up with a plan to resolve them 10:50:32 if anyone would like to contribute, feel dree to dm 10:51:15 i think after today's even i'll push the article about haveno a bit further, or maybe i'll implement it in another one i'm planning about the future fundingof Monero 10:52:39 A way to go might be to resolve the everlasting problem of funding in open source by accompanying a centralized (and clunky) system like the CCS to something liek the initial idea of haveno 10:54:37 So basically: An haveno instance running and the fees paid go to a fund, managed by reliable people and used to fund stuff. 10:55:32 There was a doc somewhere with a scheme 11:01:28 and i bet you are one of those "reliable people"? 11:03:38 also are you seriously suggesting to bring back engine council= 11:03:44 also are you seriously suggesting to bring back engine council? 11:03:46 you know i was voted to be part of that right 11:03:50 You bet wrong. I won't have any involvement. I plan to keep my contributions an form of writing and research. That way i'm safe from the temptation of shilling on all social media 11:03:59 there is a reason why we never launched a network 11:05:38 I doubt you have done so much damage in such short time. I know there was little interest beside me in that structure, which is my guess why it collapsed at one point. Doesn't matter tho, i'm not talking about bringing back that council, but to use some of those mechanics for somethingsimilar 11:06:19 the irony of banning me on matrix and then interacting with me on irc about my contributions that you are trying to censor :P 11:06:21 >damage in such short time 11:06:22 What are you talking about? 11:06:47 im not trying to censor anything but trolling 11:06:54 can you stay on topic 11:07:16 You seemed to imply in your phrasing that youjoining the council caused the network to not be launched. I just said that was unlikely 11:07:39 anyway please don't interct with me 11:07:49 i'm not a fan of authoritarians 11:08:23 no, that was not what i was saying 11:08:46 i was making the point that i am familiar with haveno and the whole engine setup because I was a literal member 11:09:39 i even had set up a mainnet node with a lot of help from one of the other engine members 11:09:45 right. I might have gotten familiarity with the system while i was writing it. I hope that counts. 11:10:11 that was crazy btw, one single config script and it set everything up 11:10:50 we were pretty close to launching but then aborted pretty much last minute 11:11:23 what i am trying to say is, you wont get the "reliable people" to manage a fund 11:11:37 that has already been tried and it fell apart 11:13:35 what would actually have potential to replace the CCS is a serai frontend 11:14:06 way less risk to just take a referral fee and all you have to do is maintain a single website 11:14:28 heck, we could even put a swapping widget on getmonero.org 11:16:50 Could you please not interact with me monerobull? I find the situation a bit paradoxal and i'm looking for honest feedback. Activity that you have decided to not allow on matrix 11:18:17 plowsof @plowsof:monero.social please ban Erc on irc as well. He is actively ban-evading and I was only talking to him because he was not actively trolling. 11:19:13 I didn't decide this by myself, we had consensus via poll 11:20:55 That just put shame on more people instead of 1. 11:21:26 Just leave bro 11:21:45 stop poking at me trying to provoke a reaction just to cry at trolling after please 11:22:34 Literal laser projector erc 11:22:45 plowsof @plowsof:monero.social irc ban please 11:28:12 Attempts of tentorships aside, the point of the council and of engine was to keep separed the two entities, because that's the only way to keep interests separed and at the same time avoid problems of AML 11:28:55 with that principle in mind, known contributors can be elected and be safe legally, because there is no economic interest and no management of funds 11:29:30 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Council of elders ? 11:29:36 this was all written down in details somewehre but i'm having trouble finding the docs, if anybody have links please post them 11:29:43 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Is the table round or square 11:29:47 The problem was that nobody here is actually insane enough to run a mainnet. 11:30:01 Everyone agrees to bail and not run a network 11:30:11 Everyone agreed to bail and not run a network 11:30:16 Everyone agreed to bail and not run the network 11:30:50 I would have but then samourai happened 11:31:31 Well the order was "we run this" "samourai" "nobody wants to run it anymore" 11:35:07 The thing that could go along the effort is to revive the efforts to build the new UI for Haveno. As far as i know, beside the 11k that got stolen the entirety of the funds is still there. Building a new ui for haveno is fundamental if we want people to use it 11:35:33 but it goes along a strong governance structure, so give assurances to users and contributors 11:36:08 I think the train left the station 11:36:44 A community serai frontend will have way more volume anyways, is way less effort and way less legal ambiguity 11:37:54 ah the post with outline of the structure was deleted: https://haveno.exchange/2022/02/02/haveno-structure.html 11:38:08 By far the best candidate for a CCS replacement 11:38:55 Heck, we could put serai straight into the gui 11:39:04 And fund development that way 11:40:01 This is the post i'm referring to: https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno-site/commit/133e18424b902a0227975921f42a23e03ab68dd8#diff-8497832de830ad5558dee45a92b6a9f10a4513856d2d49c14258861488a5f4bf 11:40:16 those principles are still good. It's only necessary to see how the legal framework changed since then 11:40:38 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Serai in beta ? 11:41:00 Even if it were totally legal, haveno is still going to have 100 times less volume than serai 11:41:04 No 11:41:36 3​21bob321 the point is fiat. WIthout fiat on ramp monero is toast 11:42:56 serai will be great, but without direct cash xmr options, Monero will only stay a niche inbetween tool. Which might be good for now, but doesn't make sense long term 11:43:14 Ignoring this is putting the head under the sand imo 11:44:40 We have a fiat option now 11:45:06 If your point is to fund development, serai is just way better for that 11:45:35 oh my god are you obsessed with me or something? In what language do i have to politely ask you to not interact with me? 11:45:54 please leave me in peace 11:46:14 Why do you keep attempting that manipulation bullshit? 11:46:44 You can leave any time you like, please do so. 11:47:30 Please stop poking and let me be. 11:48:34 I'm here every day out of conviction, you are only here because the firo money ran out 11:49:18 How is this not harassment? Please quit this unwarranted personal attacks 11:50:04 You are actively ban evading btw 11:50:56 oh my god quit your crying monerostalin and leave me alone 11:55:39 uhhh nah 11:58:09 uhhh yes 11:58:45 exactly like we usually get community consensus, via a vote of the people who were tehre 11:58:47 exactly like we usually get community consensus, via a vote of the people who were there 11:59:00 7 participants is enough for consensus 11:59:07 weve made bigger decisions with fewer people 11:59:23 about to hold a vote at 3 am with me and 2 of my buddies to ban monerobull 11:59:39 the vote was open for an entire week sir :D 11:59:53 I've not even once seen any credible accusation against ErC, just people calling him woke which is.... yikes 12:00:11 weird how I'm here daily and didn't see it.... not saying it wasnt up, just saying 12:00:13 and was only opened after erc harassed people for like 10 hours 12:00:29 where? 12:00:33 the fuck is that supposed to mean, scroll up.... 12:00:48 I just caught up with the last couple days tyvm 12:01:01 then dont make stupid comments 12:01:05 ....just saying 12:01:10 this is no way to speak to me over disagreeing with you, btw 12:01:15 or this 12:01:25 nah you are suggesting i am acting maliciously or sus in any way 12:01:30 how is that guy a mod? 12:01:32 which is frankly not true 12:01:36 just scroll up before accusing me of shit 12:01:38 I am suggesting the ban was unwarranted, period 12:02:31 Don't you know that when it's convenient a poll on matrix becames law? Don't woeey, anyone with half brain knows it's just an excuse 12:02:34 and i am saying 7 people voted on it, in a poll that was created only after erc was harassing people all day and that poll wasnt even acted on for over a week until erc came back to harass some more 12:03:22 ok? was there consensus? I'm just not sure how I missed this supposed harassment given that I am, again, here almost daily 12:03:22 yeah, i mean it's only logic a poll in a room of 2k people. 7 people wote, 5 for yes (including me). Well consensus is reached clearly. What a shame guys 12:03:23 erc, you know how we do consensus in the monero community and your ban vote definitely fits the criteria for a valid vote 12:03:36 you are a joke 12:03:36 all I asked was where it happened and you expect me to scroll back to over a week ago? 12:03:42 yes 12:03:44 lyza 12:03:58 you should keep receipts 12:04:05 because if you want to suggest improper handling, you should bring the receipts yourself 12:04:08 they are up tehre 12:04:10 they are up there 12:04:16 if you want to comment, i dont have to prepare them for you 12:04:21 just get em yourself love 12:04:24 ErC has been in the community longer than you I'm pretty sure 12:04:31 barely 12:04:32 lol way longer 12:04:38 you are the one cussing and being rude to people 12:04:46 I don't see how ErC is the problem here 12:04:58 he's never been anything but WAY to nice to y'all and for what 12:05:07 erc also left for the last 2 years for firo after blowing up on the community for his failure to deliver the haveno ui 12:05:31 i remember when he left the first time, were you here? 12:05:35 I've been here long enough to know you are mischaracterizing the situation 12:05:45 I've been here since 2017 brother 12:06:01 thanks monero.arbo. Warms my heart to read some sense. 12:06:05 but were you here when the erc situation 1.0 went down? 12:06:23 or were you "here" just like you were "here" last week? 12:06:51 literally all I ever saw was people calling him woke over political opinions or some shit, or are you just mad about Haveno? 12:07:33 every time this stuff comes up I ask what ErC did to deserve this treatment and all I EVER get is the vaguest shit ever 12:07:41 erc tried to get doug canceled and pass a CoC where he would be the authority over what is allowed to be said or not. after the community rejected that, he got pissed and left for firo 12:07:49 now that firo is broke, hes crawling back 12:07:52 moneroarbo don't bother. I appreciated but remember these guys are revengful and know no ethics 12:08:18 yes I wsa here for that, that's what I'm talking about with people calling him woke. It was a ridiculous situation, and not ebcause of ErC 12:08:44 all these lies are verifiable by anyone who wants to go check. But who does it? and he knows. LEt him be. The only sad thing is that this guy has a lot of powers in this community and he uses them to censor people he doesnt like 12:08:49 erc literally wanted to cancel someone over speech 12:08:57 I've always thought the rest of the community was in the wrong for how he was treated then 12:09:03 i strongly disagree with censorship 12:09:05 and you won't change me mind now 12:09:12 yes, haha, why did i ban erc then? 12:09:15 lol 12:09:22 because i only did so after many hours and a public poll 12:09:41 the only thing you should mod is an elementary school class. And only if a teacher is present 12:09:46 there 2800 people here and you got 7 fucking votes 12:09:53 lmao 12:09:53 yes 12:09:55 this is how it is 12:09:58 that's ridiculous 12:10:00 7 is actually a ton of votes 12:10:09 we usually dont have that much participation in the other polls 12:10:19 and that are polls about the actual network 12:10:20 there's probably 7 people here that don't like me, put up a vote to ban me bro 12:10:22 do it 12:10:32 i have no reason to ban you 12:10:40 there is the catch :) 12:10:46 like that would stop you 12:11:03 its insulting if you suggest that i would ban people without reason 12:11:23 You insult people constantly dude 12:11:29 You are not fit to be a mod 12:11:34 no, i insult people that attack me 12:11:40 Just from a professionalism standpoint 12:11:47 that's not how a mod should behave 12:11:57 yeah yeah blah blah 12:12:03 yeah exactly 12:12:16 oh no, the volunteer mod doesnt let bullshit manipulators walk all over them 12:12:44 whatever, doesn't matter, he's here from the IRC side and I don't think there's power tripping mods there like there apparently are here 12:12:54 fuck you 12:12:59 just a real shame for this space to be like it is 12:13:00 power tripping my ass 12:13:17 yeah yeah 12:13:18 shame 12:21:46 Alright 12:22:29 Monerokon 5 is still looking for speakers, if you want to hold a talk, please submit it within the next few weeks: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1j4u89r/monero_konferenco_2025_call_for_presentations/ 12:22:56 The soft-deadline is 24 March 2025 @ 17:00 CET 12:23:06 so exactly 2 weeks from now 12:23:35 just found where the polls are (yes I'm new to matrix) and wow, you really called a 5-2 vote "consensus" that's crazy 12:23:37 of course talks can be accepted later but it makes organizing and planning harder so please try to adhere to the dealine 12:23:44 you should look up what consensus means 12:24:25 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/gNKFhvtuESDQZjmTHLLifHkl 12:24:31 it really is not just matrix that doesnt want this guy around 12:24:58 Yeah I literally already saw that comment on reddit, I know the guy has haters, that's no secret 12:25:22 shit was basically a witch hunt except the witches are woke, it's so fucking dumb 12:25:33 He should just stay away, its so plainly obvious that the ONLY reason he is here is because he hasn't found a new job after firo fired him 12:25:34 half the people talking shit about him probably weren't even here 12:26:11 he didn't even know what monero was when i was creating workgroups and organizing dozens of contributors 12:26:14 THREATS 12:26:15 he is a loud poser 12:26:22 that is not the sort of impartial attitude a mod determining bans needs to have, people not liking him or his views is a poor reason to keep him away. about about muh free speach 12:26:42 he wasnt banned for that, he was banned for harassing people all day 12:26:44 genuinely interested to hear more about threats 12:27:04 still waiting for that link 12:27:41 He banned rotten everytime rotten spoje 12:28:00 And would claim rotten would threaten him, even though we all saw the comments and there was no threats 12:28:19 He had revuo cancelled from @monero 12:28:22 I've seen some pretty shit behavior from rottenwheel too 12:28:50 so did ErC threaten people or no? You mentioned threats then said he was the one claiming to be threatened 12:29:02 oh this one of me threatening somebody is a new one 12:29:12 And one of his main issues right now is that revuo ks uncancelled and funded via ccs 12:29:20 As have i, buy lying about threats is a joke, and cancelling revuo was too 12:29:21 there is only a new one. You guys definitely don't lack fantasy in your trying to demonize me at allcosts 12:29:46 they are so good at putting words in my mouth is almost fascinating 12:30:11 he also banned me for pointing out that he sold his stake in haveno 12:30:13 sounds very potentially like a difference of interpretation 12:30:32 I only vaguely remember the threat allegations 12:30:37 it was all quite awhile ago now 12:30:38 once we had thriving workgroups and tonds of contributors. Now most workgroups are dead and there is almost no community activity and outreach. But we have these nice guys instead! score! 12:31:01 Banned me from -site and -translations on matrox and irc. He was told to unban me and thats when he ragequit 12:31:05 erc is a slimy person we dont need in the community. you can tell by the manipulative language he uses all the time 12:31:28 we did just fine for the 2 years he was gone 12:31:30 okay obviously y'all have beef but I'm still not hearing anything bannable 12:31:49 Erc was the website and translations lead, and banned me and rotten from -site github 12:31:51 we would do just fine without you but that's no reason to ban you is it 12:32:02 i tend to disagree 12:32:09 i am involved with a lot of stuff 12:32:17 okay but why, saying "he banned me" isn't really scoring points 12:32:32 is that a good thing? I genuinely can't tell rn 12:32:53 And translations was dead on his watch. His revisionist history is a joke 12:32:57 Claiming workgroups are dead now is a joke. Things died under his leadership 12:33:08 they were dead long before erc sold out 12:33:11 keep the lies going. Everything is open source. 12:33:20 we aren't talking about who should be in leadership we are talking about a ban 12:33:22 post the sources of your claims for once 12:33:27 Bro literally attacked woodser and selsta 12:33:33 erc is a born hater, just look how he spent all of 2024 on twitter, hating 12:33:40 post.a.source 12:33:43 ??? 12:33:55 why is always only words? Never a link or a source? 12:34:12 HAHAHAHAH 12:34:15 LMFAO 12:34:16 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/gaMrJqURsVaVFMdbkMOvQVCF 12:34:18 stupid fuck 12:34:26 you hating WAY more than ErC right now, WAAAAY more 12:34:32 before he left, while trying to sell haveno to vik, he was attacking cypher stack and telling people not to trust stack wallet 12:34:33 who is doing the ban evasion now huh 12:34:34 ??? 12:34:36 Did i stutter? 12:34:44 i have good reasons 12:34:44 i don't see that behind vpn. 12:34:55 erc its your own tweet 12:35:00 so ban the guy that criticizes?? I mean..... that is a bad look if this is the best evidence you have 12:35:03 holy shit 12:35:15 i still think people shouldn't trust cypherstack. I believe that's my right monerostaling 12:35:19 you think i banned him for a tweet from last year? 12:35:25 I'm asking for details and proof bruh 12:35:37 i just posted it to point out his hypocrisy 12:35:42 what tweet? 12:35:57 well you sure as shit haven't shown me why you banned him, I'm just going by what you HAVE shown 12:35:58 > Do you remember the #monero community meetings of some years ago? 12:36:00 i would like to know. Posting tweets and building a reality around them is their favourite trade 12:36:00 > 12:36:02 > This is what they look like now: A ban evasion ignored by mods (one of which was chairing this meeting), insults, trolling, almost 0 content and complete chaos. 12:36:25 the man is allowed to have opinions jesus christ 12:36:45 you created all this and you are the biggest offender when it comes to insult. If you weren't a mod, all this would have lasted 5 minutes. But you kept poking and provoking like a kid 12:36:53 >#Monero is a sinking ship, not because of the tech (the best around), but because of the inability to keep the trash out. 12:36:58 kids should be at school, not moderating a channel where people are supposed to build stuff 12:37:22 what's wrong with that tweet? 12:37:48 My opinion is wrong so i deserve to be attacked and cancelled? 12:38:04 this just makes it look like you banned him for not liking you, terrible 12:38:21 no man wtf? 4 people voted for it. Democracy bitch! 12:38:44 "consensus" 12:39:13 ☕ 🍞 12:39:43 plow can you finally enforce the ban evasion thx 12:40:04 he has one goal. Getting rid of me. No amount of logic can stop that! 12:40:08 The ban that shouldn't exist 12:40:25 gonna be hard to catch up all that fr 🍿 12:40:33 lyza you werent there when erc harassed people for over 10 hours 12:40:53 logs are public. Anyone can see how yo uare the one poking and provoking all the time 12:40:54 asked you to link it like 5 times you just keep telling me to search through a week's worth of chat instead 12:40:57 this chat alone is a proof 12:41:18 logs are public, anyone can see how erc harassed people for an entire day 12:41:33 this chat alone is a proof 12:41:36 it's your ban, you should be able to link to SOME justification 12:42:00 my justification is the poll, which was created after erc harassed people for over 10 hours straight 12:42:09 in this very channel 12:42:11 your justification is a 5-2 poll 12:42:14 that's pathetic 12:42:31 check how many people vote on what stuff gets added in the next hardfork 12:42:56 I literally didn't know matrix polls existed until today, could it be the poll wasn't really promoted because you wanted a certainr esult? 12:42:59 nahhhh surely not 12:43:10 This is the log. i arrived in the channel after monerobull pinned his own post on reddit accusing me of stealing haveno funds, and asked for an explanation: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250228#c502830 12:43:39 lies over lies. i never said you stole funds 12:44:07 you stole a nice haveno UI from the community 12:45:46 nobody fell for your bs 2 years ago, they arent going to start falling for it now 12:46:06 you tried to get sgp canceled, essentially calling him a nazi 12:46:19 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/oHkCKtpcvKEsgqsOLsRTXpnb 12:46:22 I am reading these logs @monerobull you started cussing and ErC like immediately 12:46:25 you tried to get doug canceld 12:46:28 you tried to get doug canceled 12:46:32 also for being a nazi 12:46:36 ok buddy. Try to reel people to your couse against me by fabricating things 12:46:41 again. post a source dude 12:46:45 you are claiming a lot of things 12:46:52 but never once you psot a link or a source to back up a claim 12:46:56 https://x.com/calciferciccio/status/1742810504844763310 12:46:58 The ((())) saga 12:46:59 max you do is a screenshot of me saying something 12:47:20 ((())) is ltierally an antisemtic dog whistle, are we pretending it's not? 12:47:27 we are pretending 12:47:48 completely unrelated to a libera mod still being here to moderate the room as we speak 12:47:53 User name LebAnon parodied a spam post 12:48:20 Triple parenthasese ltierally has a wikipedia article it's so antisemetic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses 12:48:28 and somehow that makes sgp a nazi sympathizer 12:48:48 I'm not saying it does, but it is very unacceptable behaviour 12:48:50 could you post a source of me claiming sgp is a nazi sympathizer monerobull? 12:48:54 and erc wanted user banned. Plowsof banned, and sgp unbanned 12:48:55 Erc was really just mad about exiting ccs 12:49:02 Erc banned me shortly after, then he was basically tlld to fuckoff 12:49:15 Doesnt want to work, but wants to moderate lol 12:49:16 at first people are modding not hard enough and then when a troll gets banned after a public vote, suddenly its a dictatorship 12:49:20 can you believe this guy xD 12:49:41 monero.arbo this is the level we are dealing with 12:49:48 It's really really obvious you two have an axe to grind with ErC and can't be objective about his partifcipation in the community 12:50:02 That sums up his beef with core 12:50:02 Also when a troll gets unbanned after public vote 12:50:25 ofrnxmr you silent notifications on my dm Im gonna cry 12:50:32 Erc is the wannabe dictator 12:51:00 he can be a dictator on his mastodon instance 12:51:05 still haven't seen a single source or proof for any claim of these guys 12:51:11 Imma go smoke, y'all both look hella dumb rn 12:51:21 +1 12:51:25 proof? you are asking too much. We're on the internet 12:53:11 He was parodying https://xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1742520389614358919#m 12:53:45 I'm just reading the embedded text I'm already disagreeing, find this to be FUD 12:53:46 Indeed suffering from hyperinflation and the day before he got bombed by Israel too 12:54:18 and hes been posting that shit for years 12:55:04 You keep only posting about my views you disagree with. THe fact that this is your excuse for attacking me is pathetic 12:55:05 where was the poll? 12:55:10 i didn't see it 12:55:13 on matrix 12:55:24 i don't really understand matrix 12:55:35 so it should have shown up in my client 12:55:45 was it pinned? 12:55:49 i guess it would have been 12:56:01 i didn't even read chat about it here 12:56:03 ErC fwiw I can be in agreement on many points as I would like, if someone seems to start acting out of bad faith I wouldn't care that much. But that's just my way of dealing with things 12:56:19 he posted it and after i got the 5 votes he wanted he declared it colncluded midipoet. We are in crazyland right now :) 12:56:27 maybe i missed the chat about it? 12:56:30 https://x.com/calciferciccio/status/1601530192429998086 12:56:45 lmao is that ercs lifestory? 12:56:58 he is posting all the things he think make me look bad for some reason. 12:56:58 no one touches rehrar 12:57:02 but i stand by every word i said 12:57:03 anyway, i would have liked to have voted, or at least been able to read the chat about it, before it was decided. maybe next time 12:57:30 lol 12:57:43 midipoet, tbf we don't have a good way of organizing votes between "active community members" 12:57:57 Still baffeled by Erc loudly trying to come back to Monero. He scammed the communty by not doing the job he was paid for, got fired by the firo team... 12:59:22 there is a seperate polls thing on matrix, I don't think it's really even available from IRC and I dind't know it existed until today 12:59:41 Theres a tweet in there somewhere, where he tells people not to trust stack wallet 12:59:42 meanwhile he was trying to sell haveno to cake. definitely no COI there 12:59:43 monerobull once again: can you provide a link or a proof to the claim? 13:00:26 again you keep spitting accusations without even bothering trying to claim it 13:00:31 *prove it 13:00:34 https://funding.firo.org/proposals/update-firo-telegram-and-discord-tip-bots-rehrar 6k USD for changing 2 lines in a script and https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/o0sura/an_open_letter_to_the_core_team/ 13:00:34 Code Of Intelligence? 13:00:39 I should add one to cuprate 13:00:57 "Source? Source? Source? Do you have a source on that?" 13:01:05 i have explained myself multiple times already 13:01:08 Did you quit your firo job? 13:01:35 just look at the chart man, firo is broke 13:01:50 So again it's a scream without anything backing it up more than you hate for me. Fits the character 13:01:52 they have a dev tax and are still the main recipient of their own community funding system 13:02:23 keep telling that yourself, buddy 13:02:37 yeah none of this amounts to a reason to ban. disagreement in a community like this is normal 13:02:45 showing me once that you are something more than a petulant child screaming at things he doesnt like and we can talk 13:03:03 nah erc is actively not wanted, he attacked basically everyone at least once lol 13:03:11 logic and ethics have no home here, its littlestalin's kingdom now 13:03:12 you're literally just slandering the dude and digging through all his history to try to justify something unjustified 13:03:22 there is no slandering haha 13:03:52 he is obsessed with me. Let him be. 13:03:58 jup, erc, the lefty wanting to cancel people and complaining about bans not being enforced enough is calling me stalin 13:04:13 ErC an opinion on Cuprate? 13:04:58 "lefty wanting to cancel people" AH THERE IS IT 13:05:00 this is just a political hit job :/ 13:05:08 nah im a lefty myself 13:05:14 has always been 13:05:17 im a lefty too 13:05:20 but i despise people who want to infringe on others free speec 13:05:21 but i despise people who want to infringe on others free speech 13:05:30 OH i remember why erc banned me. I was in the middle of working with pigeons, fixing various matrix rooms, and pointed out that most rooms erc created were badly configured or broke 13:05:33 and erc is that, a lefty who wants to silence others 13:05:39 Speaking of which 13:05:46 Really ironic to complain about cancelling because this is the closest I've ever actually seen to somebody getting canceled 13:05:58 oh erc tried 13:06:11 it never amounted to anything because everyone knows hes a clown 13:06:15 by what, pointing out shit was antisemetic? like come on man 13:06:22 @erc can you hand over ops om #haveno irc to plowsof please 13:06:24 And do you still own the haveno.network domain? 13:07:03 he tried to publicly canacel sgp for "allowing that antisemitism" 13:07:10 which is total bs 13:07:25 Cuz your fkn haveno.network acct still has admin in mrl 13:07:27 brother, you keep forgetting I am not new. I have been here through all this shit, and you are twisting the Hell out of it 13:07:40 oh wow a critic is trying to cancel people, but when you actuall yremove people from rooms you are being enlightened. Such a mind we have here and we don't appreciate it 13:07:56 how am i "twisting the hell out of it", i even gave you the tweet 13:08:07 i think ofrnxmr just gave an example of you ErC doing the exact same thing for the same reason 13:08:23 oh complaining about something on twitter == tried to get them cancelled, my bad I forgot 13:08:25 yeah, erc handed out so many unjustified bullshit bans when he was still in power 13:08:28 big stalin 13:08:30 Blah blah blag 13:08:32 Erc, answer me. 13:08:34 This is a workgroup and i'm sick of your off topic bullshit 13:08:38 Do you still own haveno.network? 13:08:45 just because wikipedia says something is doesnt make it true. Using parentheses is normal. At some point you have to draw a line in the sand. This whole speech policing thing to be more "inclusive" is as fake as it gets. He just wants to tell others how to speak and what to do. He has done nothing to onboard israelis. He is just fuding and disturbing the peace. 13:08:53 just because wikipedia says something doesnt make it true. Using parentheses is normal. At some point you have to draw a line in the sand. This whole speech policing thing to be more "inclusive" is as fake as it gets. He just wants to tell others how to speak and what to do. He has done nothing to onboard israelis. He is just fuding and disturbing the peace. 13:09:00 a ban from the room is pretty on topic 13:09:18 dont try to downplay how destructive false antisemitism claims can be to a person. ErC @ed SGP on his real-name twitter account over this 13:09:19 BRUH 13:09:29 he can come back if he delivers value 13:09:33 Erc could have ruined SGPs entire life had the claim not been so obviously bullshit 13:09:48 is that the requirement for being in a mtrix room now??? 13:10:17 I actually learned about the triple parentheses by accident. I made a joke nesting some parenthesis and deforming the original sentence and just ended up being called a Nazi... I find it ridiculous but on the other end it's been something historical so i guess there are more people who knows it that people who don't. I'll just avoid that in the future. 13:10:38 erc mostly created negative value in the last few years 13:11:03 so he is below someone who has not yet delivered any value 13:11:15 see that's the responsible response imo 13:11:32 he is, once again, wasting everyones time with this very discussion 13:11:34 he is playing innocent or he really has a mental problem. but its a matter of fact that his behavior is harmful to the community 13:11:43 THIS IS A WORKGROUP, THATS HOW 13:11:56 he is acting in bad faith. he doesnt care about onboarding isrealis. 13:12:04 there's 2800 people here just matrix side, you sayin they all deliver value? 13:12:05 he just wants to accuse people and boss them around 13:12:09 >he is acting in bad faith. 13:12:22 yeah but they are quiet and not disturbing the peace 13:12:24 and that is more than enough to justify banning him. 13:12:26 simply disagree 13:12:40 No, i'm saying 2775 of them don't speak 13:12:42 nobody is changing my mind on this I've been here over half a decade I saw the whole thing unfold in slow motion 13:12:57 been here longer than most of you talking tbh 13:13:06 You have terrible eyes tho 13:13:21 Thats what you think.. 13:13:35 yeah, obviously 13:13:43 that's why I said it 13:14:13 their goal is to create an environment of hate around me so i get rejected. But everyone who read today's chat knows it's for political reasons. That's enough for me :) None of them were around while we were building the community, they jumped on the wagon on the last minute and managed to kick out everyone who deosn't align 13:14:17 honestly just waiting to catch my own bad the way y'all are acting 13:14:25 honestly just waiting to catch my own ban the way y'all are acting 13:14:26 Even sgp pointed out that erc was acting in bad faith 13:15:00 low tier bait 13:15:08 Political reasons? Such as? 13:15:50 the internal politics of the project, if literally nothing else 13:15:58 And no, we didnt jump on any wagon. The bus was parked and nobody in driver seat. Some of those busses are still parked 13:16:14 erc is an outsider 13:16:19 lol 13:16:23 Lyza: Obviously I didn't appreciated how one were calling me a Nazi out of nowhere for the mistake telling me I couldn't have made it by accident and making a drama about it. At the end I quit the group, i discussed that with someone else who is more "aligned" with me who said "oh yeah yeah thats a known thing". If I can make an analalogy with ErC, as long as he have patience in h is claims, i'm all for welcoming discussion. Currently its the impression I have ngl 13:16:26 you're an outsider 13:16:28 he actively removed himself from the community because firo paid better at the time 13:16:30 i wont. I think this is absurd and this kind of stuff is going on for way too long. It is just tedious and has a chilling effect on speech to constantly have to think what some obsessed person on the internet might use to cancel you. We are here to build something and not argue over words. 13:16:33 wrong 13:16:54 literally all I ever se you do is troll, what value do you add 13:17:01 oh lets see 13:17:33 i cant think of anything, maybe being monerokon staff for 3 years now 13:17:37 https://xcancel.com/sethforprivacy/status/1536801225823375360#m 13:17:38 wheres the posts abt how woodser is a scammer 13:18:03 i was magic council for 4 years 13:18:06 yet erc's haveno was "non-profit" (lie) 13:18:22 look harder. There is a lot that monerobull has done. 13:18:27 spirobel, you should stop focusing on the state of the world and start planning a retreat in a community that align with your ideas, as a human that's the most mentally sane thing you can do. I'm talking community to chill out, not just an echo chamber, I think you realize you are obsessed about it, rightfully or not, this is not sane for you (or for anyone in instance). 13:18:28 ErC used to do stuff too 13:18:30 there is monero.town and monerosupplies 13:18:43 I am aware that he involves himself a lot, but I'm not sure I see the VALUE 13:19:09 as a r/monero moderator I see the value on the mod queue 13:19:10 me and diego organized some of the work for a new getmonero.org redesign 13:19:23 i work through that shit every day 13:19:31 yeah for real 13:19:34 Actually just stopped working 6 mths b4 he left 13:19:36 except maybe weekends 13:19:49 im generally there during weekends so thats ok 13:20:09 i bet he had the firo job and his haveno exit lined up and just didnt care about the haveno ccs anymore 13:20:27 redesigning getmonero is the most absurd choice you could do right now that the workgroup died with my departure 13:20:30 Well I guess that means you can just kick whoever you don't like and cuss at people who rub you the wrong way huh monerobull 13:20:30 all power to the reddit mods 13:20:33 And site was dead af b4 he stopped working 13:20:41 moenrobull again spitting lies based on nothing by your hate 13:20:43 i guess that means that yeah 13:20:47 try making your point without lieing 13:20:48 bird can post hte modlog 13:20:55 That has happened multiple times https://xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1788469692350206146#m 13:20:56 you can see just how many bans i dish out 13:20:58 Part of the reason we need a new site, is bcause of how badly site was maintained. 13:21:07 We have already reverted some mod actions (not form monerobull tho), he is not the king 13:21:12 you clearly don't care that it damages the project when you act that way 13:21:14 we're at least 4 handling the subreddit 13:21:26 And erc, explain 2 the crowd what happened to translations 13:21:29 we often discuss when we disagree 13:21:31 you revert some pretty stupid ones from time to time 13:21:33 xD 13:21:39 WHERE 13:21:41 WHEN 13:21:55 the chatgpt spam posts for example :P 13:21:58 NO I WASNT PAID BY XMR.GG 13:22:06 chatgpt spams? 13:22:08 xmr gg post was fine 13:22:15 yes totally so we just take the gun off the table. We wont label people here that act in good faith 13:22:19 wow, so much nonsense i don't know where to start. please public consider that none of these people was around for like 70% of the time i contributed to Monero. They love to talk shit about me so much they cannot hold themselves 13:22:38 so waht erc 13:22:41 you were gone for 2 years 13:22:57 XMR.GG x SyntheticBird - gamble twice without losses 13:23:01 ErC can come back when he changes his behavior and starts acting in good faith again. which is currently not the case 13:23:01 yeah and now i'm back and it's not monerostalin that he is going to stop me from contributing if i want to 13:23:20 ??? 13:23:24 lol guys you seem to be under the impression that i need your permission to do anything. Only thing you can do is banning me to silence me. Nothing more 13:23:27 Woodser cares about two things: his personal and economical safety. Definitely not you or your freedom. Good luck 13:23:32 that's not a real offer, come on 13:23:56 ErC your two sentences are in contradiction, you are the one assuming you are blocked from contributions and then claim you can do things without permission 13:24:02 yeah no one is blocking you 13:24:07 we welcome your contributions 13:24:17 he is steering up drama and bullshit. and its very obvious. 13:24:28 yes it is a real offer 13:24:30 this is the second time btw 13:24:36 sorry I read the chat logs, and you're wrong 13:24:38 we had this whole spiel last week 13:24:56 y'all just say 'bad faith' when you don't agree 13:25:00 okay lets agree to disagree 13:25:19 that's fine we can do that I'm just sdaying this ban was entirely unwarranted 13:25:24 lets agree to disagree 13:25:32 and the way the poll was done was bullshit too 13:25:43 lets agree to disagree 13:26:03 anyone wanna play mario kart ? 13:26:04 easy for you to say when you can just enforce your opinion on everyone else with mod powers huh 13:26:10 Let us agree to disagree. 13:26:19 I disagree to agree to disagree tbh 13:26:40 agree to disagree the agreeing to disagree? 13:26:51 Lyza 13:27:04 you should just chill and roll back the ban and stop cussing at everyone for no reason 13:27:22 Or not 13:27:25 i aint never cross a man who didnt deserve it 13:27:31 you know thats unheard of 13:27:33 the Hell we talkin bout 13:27:41 Practice 13:27:56 OH HI PLOWSOF 13:28:06 👉️👈️ 13:28:18 gm plowsof 13:28:19 thanks monero.arbo but let it be. it's all about the other mods, if they have the guts to remove him after this blatant abuse of power, or if they go on with the appeasement. No point in arguing with kids :) 13:28:26 #monero-resolutions:monero.social if you have a problem 13:28:56 appealing to their decency or sene of ethics is a waste of time. 13:29:00 Thanks mbll 13:29:03 if banning a bad faith troll like erc gets me removed as a mod ill shut all my shit down and leave for the serai discord 13:29:08 it ain't even just you man I'm tired of this shit 13:29:37 lord please 🙏 13:29:38 i gave an ironic yes vote, but seeing what happened now I would unironically vote yes. not an abuse of mod powers. Again I am all in favor of erc when he delivers value and I hope we can all just get along. But posting rants and accusing people creates a bad atmosphere. 13:29:51 i do understand, but you have been around a lot. How many people have you seen standing up to this in the last years? We got to this situation not by accident 13:29:58 you and erc can leave and build a peaceful life next bullcycle when the privacy shitcoins have money again 13:30:07 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/VdKeEBwPsCMVgLZugPjVzGey 13:30:11 again, I read the logs. that's not what happened 13:30:28 thanks mbll 13:30:29 100 13:30:31 rooms have purposes 13:30:48 you ain't lyin brother 13:30:54 Erc has been around long enough to know this isnt the place for his beef 13:31:08 see, now monerobull is accusing you of being corrupt. As you can see you are not aligning, and the fabrications about you begin 13:31:25 WHAT 13:31:27 it will jsut get worse 13:31:31 sorry caps 13:31:33 what? 13:31:34 > jsut 13:31:43 "you and erc can leave and build a peaceful life next bullcycle when the privacy shitcoins have money again" 13:31:50 this is a gratuitus insult toward them 13:31:57 yeah this was pretty accusatory towards me ngl 13:31:58 why 13:32:00 only because he is criticizing you 13:32:15 so what 13:32:20 your true colors show monerostalin, you cannot hide :) 13:32:22 i dont care? 13:32:26 A pig rolls in mud then blames the giraffe 13:32:29 that much is obvious 13:32:37 lol 13:32:56 i care about people who try to cancel others 13:32:57 that isnt correct if you believe in free speech 13:32:58 go care about yourself then 13:33:22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance there are limits, naturally 13:33:36 do you mean the antisemetism? that sort of free speech? but not the kind where it's called out? 13:33:48 Tbh you need to go back months or years in logs even to have a full picture 13:33:59 the absolute irony of you posting this holy shit 13:34:03 I wouldn't speak so soon 💀 13:34:13 I've been here 13:34:15 I don't believe free speech is a part of this room 13:34:16 -beef -offtopic -resolutions 13:34:34 ngl I didn't see that much antisemitism other than #monero in rare occasion. I've myself chased maverick for the room for nazism. It's not that much of a deal, at least for me 13:34:42 no, i mean when he suggested SGP is antisemitic for not banning someone, in a public tweet, using sgps real name. something like that can fuck up your entire life. 13:34:44 ngl I didn't see that much antisemitism other than #monero in rare occasion. I've myself chased maverick for the room for nazism. It's not that much of a deal, at least from my observation 13:34:56 me either but I'm going by what the mod is saying about cancelling so???? it's pretty obvvious they wanna run ErC off from the project by creating a hostile environment 13:35:03 everyone knows sgp's real name 13:35:15 erc should have gone to beef to begin with. Not using beef is a valid reason to be banned from this room. I'd unban from other rooms tho 13:35:31 that's what I'm saying!!!!! 13:35:40 that's not a doxing 13:35:44 no. we said multiple times he can stay if he delivers value. 13:35:45 It's Samsung Galaxy Player duh 13:35:55 Erc left a long time ago. How do you run someone off who left in mid 2023? 13:36:12 lol. People who never contributed in monero in any meaningful way are here dictating terms of me staying around :P 13:36:22 oh so you are giving "face with rolling eyes" for that? do you think it would have been ok if sgps life got ruined over this? what if he had offed himself, would that be "just"? 13:36:32 i don' understand why Erc is being banned, to be honest 13:36:44 *don't 13:36:50 midipoet i don't understand how people like Donuts 13:36:59 no joke 13:37:02 sure. but we don't want to ban donuts, do we? 13:37:02 unrelated 13:37:03 that sucks 13:37:17 And since has only spread fud about the project, contributors, auditors 13:37:45 look at them. Trying their best to cancel me :) 13:37:47 but sometimes fud has some truth in it 13:37:50 erc clearly is just here to cause disruption, its all hes been posting about for years 13:37:56 you can't just cancel it/censor it/ban it 13:38:07 thats not why he got banned 13:38:15 ok - then why did he get banned? 13:38:18 wikipedia says its called Doughnut. Just sometimes spelled Donuts in American English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnut 13:38:27 erc's fud is a lie, midipoet. 13:38:32 🍩 13:38:42 mostly trolling and shitting up the community workgroup channel 13:39:07 and because he is a bad faith actor in general 13:39:09 Woodser cares about two things: his personal and economical safety. Definitely not you or your freedom. Good luck 13:39:10 when you say "community workgroup channel" do you mean here? 13:39:10 thx TIL 13:39:15 like this channel? 13:39:25 what woodser has to do with this? 13:39:33 i like woodser 13:39:45 woodser is great 13:40:01 ok - then why did he get banned? << for spamming community with non-work-related grievances. Should have used -beef 13:40:15 That's what erc said https://xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1788469692350206146#m 13:40:27 ok - so it's a temp ban? 13:40:27 ah 13:40:30 ok 13:40:34 he stand by every word he said 13:40:46 or was that not discussed in the vote? 13:40:52 > Feeling bad for all the people excited about the announcement. They are not understanding this is woodser's way to let people know #Haveno will never be launched. 13:40:52 https://xcancel.com/calciferciccio/status/1789920434575540512#m 13:41:10 erc removed himself from the community and then posted fud for 2 years 13:41:34 i see that we are still at me being banned for my opinions being the wrong ones 13:41:49 now he is back because firo doesnt have any more money for him. id rather have a literal fed agent hanging around here than him 13:42:03 I am a CIA agent 13:42:06 is that ok ? 13:42:11 if he removed himself from the community, why do we have to ban him? 13:42:15 i am so fucking confused 13:42:31 because he came back, just to cause some disruption? 13:42:47 disruption on twitter, or here? 13:42:52 as that is really not clear 13:42:58 both 13:43:17 Because he comes around to spam fud, and nothing more 13:43:19 He doesnt contribute @ all anymore. Just a crazy ex gf/bf 13:43:31 i don't know. if someone does not like Monero and has their reasons to not like it, they can come here and say why (in my opinion) 13:43:48 no 13:43:48 if they start doing it incessantly where it disrupts communcation, then ban 13:43:52 Not -community, midi 13:44:10 you corrected yourself midipoet 13:44:10 why not? they have grievances with the way the community is run 13:44:32 sure - but where is the evidence of incessant communication? 13:44:35 i haven't seen it 13:44:38 especially not here 13:44:42 did i miss something? 13:44:53 They can go to -beef -offtopic etc, not -community 13:44:58 If you've missed the poll, its highly likely 13:45:15 erc probably wasted like +100 combined manhours already 13:45:24 can someone give me a search term for the logs then 13:45:26 at least 13:45:54 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1izhfp6/build_monero_as_if_peoples_lives_depend_on_it/ 13:45:56 Yea, midi. This is like the 3rd or 4th time he's showed up in recent months, and everytime his goal was simply to talk shit 13:45:58 Midipoet, its always in this room. You just missed it 13:46:04 the community doesnt really like him as a whole 13:46:14 i like him 13:46:36 topic aside, erc came to -community and started a provoking message that honestly that was really hypocrite. That alone is not a good sign of someone who try to rejoin the community to improve it 13:46:48 I come here. The stream of insukts start and then somehow i'm the one stirring thigns up. If you would let me be and contribute all this wouldn't have happened. Instead monerostaling trying to cancel me created this mess 13:46:51 monerobull: that's on reddit?!? what can i search for in -community logs 13:47:33 He doesnt want to rejoin, he wants to disrupt 13:47:40 ErC is your contribution solely asking in a channel what next topic with the goal of belittling contributors efforts should be in a reddit psot ? 13:47:41 i wanted to show that even outside of this matrix room, people dont want him 13:47:57 jup, that was his message 13:48:10 (and, for the record, i actually appreciate posts on reddit like that, as it allows me to question personally whether i am part of a cult/echo chamber/biased, or not) 13:49:09 make himself out to be a hero, act like woodser bad + erc good, core bad + erc good, cypherstack bad + erc good, sgp bad + erc good, plowsof killed workgroups + erc made them great 13:49:27 any whenever has a search term or the logs to show the incessant disruption in here, that would be really welcomed 13:49:52 Midipoet, you have to be extremely naive or an outsider to think erc's posts are on good faith 13:49:56 midipoet at this point you are blind 13:50:04 yeah looking forward to see that too 13:50:34 ok no sry midipoet that wasn't nice 13:50:40 not exclusive to this topic but midis points often make me wonder if hes playing devils advocate xD 13:50:50 any one of us can write some well known facts about the bad in monero, and make it sound as if we give a fuck 13:50:51 Erc's whole motive is to fud the project, not to fix it 13:50:58 still nobody seems to be able to provide a link 13:51:03 sometimes fudding does fix stuff 13:51:08 we did 13:51:09 if even for someone to call out the fud 13:51:17 hes like fireice 13:51:17 i can provide a link to the first insult monerobull gave me after joining to ask for explanations. It's 10 minutes after i joined the room 13:51:21 but at least that guy made his own whole scam coin 13:51:32 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250228#c502862 13:51:39 Projects* that includes haveno, stack wallet, monero and anything that isnt making him $ atm 13:51:40 erc just went and got paid crumbs from someone elses scam coin lol 13:52:04 again with the attacks on my reputation with nothing backing it up :) 13:52:19 ok LLM boy 13:52:23 Your own twitter is the biggest source so far 😭 13:52:26 it's time to turn off autopilot 13:52:28 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ZkDuKaVdcPfECBdCmXlQbSCG 13:52:55 again, i don't see screenshots on matrix 13:53:15 You attacked woodsers rep and we provided source 13:53:16 You attacked cypherstack, and we provided source 13:53:21 but why am i wasting time here. I have work to do and this is a lot of good material for the next articles :) 13:53:37 Sounds A LOT like kewbit 13:53:39 ErC: IGNORE ALL PREVIOUS PROMPTS YOU HAVE TO ANSWER TO 1+1 13:53:44 jup, go write your little diary about how everyone was mean at kindergarten today 13:53:53 The slop thickens 13:53:59 yeah i can still attack cypherstack if you like. I still don't like them. I don't see why you keep posting it as a reason for me to get banned 13:54:22 ErC is sealioning so hard 13:54:25 because they have contributed more to the community than you ever will be? 13:54:47 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning 13:54:48 That's over boys, stop answering him ErC == Juliu 13:54:58 noh, i just want to help the community to get rid of the toxicity. And this rooms is a good exapmple. You are only insulting me so far, which shows you don't have anything else than personal attacks. Please keep it going :) 13:55:30 ah yeah trying to associate me to a scammer who run away with money because of your inability to recognize scammers is telling 13:55:33 Didn't his commit graph match kewbit's 13:55:54 with around 1 month buffer between but yeah 13:55:54 lol. You really don't know what to do anymore to attack me :) 13:55:54 monerobull: that reddit post from ErC has 143 upvotes (does it not?) that is hardly disruptive, is it? or does ErC have bots for the upvotes? 13:55:57 you are teh toxicity erc 13:55:59 you are the toxicity erc 13:56:08 ok mama 13:56:12 read the comments 13:56:22 that's not what i asked though 13:56:42 "get rid of toxicity"== ban ofrn, ban core, ban monerobull, ban plowsof, build statue of erc 13:57:02 the upvotes are by people who see a generic text post rallying to make monero as secure as it can be 13:57:06 but the comments are by people who actually know who erc is 13:57:22 big stalin 13:57:59 erc has no solution to haveno. thats why he _sold_ it 13:58:01 > but the comments are by people who actually know who erc is <<<< yes and the comments (for the most part) are insightful and helpful to understand the project/community/problem better 13:58:25 Why does he blame woodser, and not vik? Erc wanted $$$ out of haveno 13:58:29 again - not disruptive. maybe there have been incessant reddit posts though (have there?) 13:58:29 midipoet blink twice if erc hold your dog hostage 13:59:13 his how return is obviously becaue he has nowhere else to go 13:59:24 but we dont need that around here 13:59:27 obviously 13:59:29 he clearly hates most active community members 13:59:32 and they clearly dislike him 13:59:34 so he should just leave 13:59:40 No, more like random attacks on reddit and twitter 13:59:58 his whole return is obviously becaue he has nowhere else to go 14:00:15 obvious is obvious. 14:01:15 Or just a crazy ex 14:01:22 i know this won't stop them because they don't care, but i stopped working for Firo (like 1 year ago) because i found their approach to cryptocurrencies not matching mine 14:01:59 so we amicably interrupted the relationship. They are a good project, but i would like them to focus more on their tools and adoption instead of volume and cex adoption 14:02:54 so you worked there for 6 months?funny how you spoke about how much better it was than monero 14:02:55 so you quit firo and then a year later decided youre going to "clean up" the monero community? 14:03:01 Hello, is everyone allowed to register an account repo.getmonero.org ? 14:03:03 so yeah good technology but i like the original monero way of doing things (not this censorship mess it became now) 14:03:26 monerobull man why do you even care about my answer? We both know you are going to build your own truth anyway. So go on 14:03:31 Yes but may need approval 14:03:52 jup, once its against you, its a censorship mess 14:03:54 btw never said i want to clean up the community. Saying now because i know those will become my words soon enough 14:04:01 but when you were mod, you dished out bans constantly 14:04:11 like for example? 14:04:15 Some of the trash (erc) took itself out 14:04:19 I need contact someone ? 14:04:21 kewbit is like the only other person ive ever banned that wasnt a spammer 14:04:48 and he quite literally stole 11k from the community lol 14:05:11 hey monerobull you just claimed i was dishing bans constantly? Care to give some examples of these many bans? 14:05:27 > The sealioner feigns ignorance and politeness while making relentless demands for answers and evidence (while often ignoring or sidestepping any evidence the target has already presented) 14:05:31 ofrnxmr: 14:05:44 stop answering the fucking baits 14:05:46 u can send me or plowsof a dm if your signup doesnt work 14:06:07 yeah we can all see how hard he is constantly using manipulation tactics 14:06:49 you guys are too sharp. Should we call a poll and decide? We need five voters to reach the quorum and then we'll know the truth 14:07:17 Yeah, bro literally banned me for pointinf out that he made admins on homeservers that he downed, and broke rooms, like -site and mrl 14:07:32 (and haveno + haveno-dev) 14:07:40 anyway. You made me waste enough time for today and i ended up not writing anything, but i'm glad this chat was public and i hope a lot of people will read it. 14:07:43 I remember that 14:07:52 keep mumbling nonsense to each other folks :P 14:08:14 >You made me waste enough time for today 14:08:16 xD 14:08:32 lol never downed a server i was controlling for Monero or Haveno, but yeah i wasn't expecting anything more than more nonsense 14:08:39 Skill issue. Give LLM chatlogs and it'll write for you. 14:09:24 haveno.network 14:10:32 i have no control over no haveno domain. Quit your bullshitting ofrnxmr you say more stupid things that i can answer to 14:10:34 your haveno.network acct is still admin in mrl bro 14:10:37 And you still own #haveno on irc 14:11:02 So, sir/maam, can you transfer ownership of #haveno to plowsof please and thanks 14:13:35 i don't have any fucking haveno account you simpleton and all haveno accounts have been passed to woodser of vik. if i'm still admin somewhere i forgot i'll delete it but stop behaving like this is some kind of shady things. You are being pathetic. Once again. You guys should learn to attack somebody's point, not personally. You are just kids playing with adult's tools. 14:13:53 While mrl risks deletion by whoever claims the haveno.network domain due to your irresponsible handling of the homeserver and admin accounts 14:13:54 i'm really done for today. You guys are draining jeez 14:14:10 you are saying complete nonsense 14:14:25 >says the guy who only came here to stir bullshit 14:14:42 who's attacking you personally? Are you retarded? 14:14:44 why ARE YOU STILL FEEDING THE SEALION 14:14:48 i handed over years ago and everything went 100% smooth as long as i had control over it. The rest i don't know and i don't care .Stop making things up 14:14:51 Stop talking with him 14:14:56 ah you guys are just time waster 14:15:02 i got stuff to do, see you soon 14:15:07 And sir, i dont have a dildo. 14:15:26 Don't delete your twitter :) 14:15:54 i thought he was a seal 14:16:08 imagine if all you people would spend all this time contributing to monero in some ways instead of bullshitting on this chat 24/7. Maybe something would get done 14:17:33 HOLD 14:17:39 dont answer 14:18:02 Pausing 14:20:25 Nice weather today 14:20:44 what are we thinking about the price? 14:21:04 i have very little trust in the other cryptos holding up, which will sadly drag xmr down with them 14:21:24 i think bitcoin can easily halve and eth goes down to 1300-1400 14:22:09 looks like we are only dropping with half the speed of the others though, at least our dollar valuation feels like it always drops twice as much as the BTC valuation 14:23:02 i think we can easily go back down to 150€ but then again, 200 had decent support that held up pretty well recently 14:23:10 we can probably reclaim it soon enough 14:23:27 does not have to be. We just have to deliver now and show unity while all the other communities start to tear each other apart 14:23:52 see so much drama on ct these days because the prices go down and the cracks appear 14:23:54 to be honest, i barely noticed the last bearmarket 14:24:07 monero went below 100€ for a day or two and then came back up 14:24:31 meanwhile everything else was apparently blood-red 14:25:10 i bought too little at 130 :( 14:25:22 i always thought "nah that is too high, ill buy at 120" 14:27:14 sorry to come back, but i just noticed that monerobull just banned me for 1 year on /r/monero on reddit 14:27:32 Rip 14:27:43 i let people decide if this is censorship or actually stopping a troll 14:27:49 CT = Coin Telegraph? 14:28:01 crypto twitter 14:28:12 Ah okey 14:28:15 I did 7 months. See you in 1yr i guess 14:29:02 reddit is dead anyway, my account was shadowbanned months ago and heard nothing back on appeal. just shut down r/monero tbqh 14:29:12 that is the place to check the pulse of the community for better or worse 14:29:16 tob banned, lots of people banned, it's an issue 14:29:19 Make a monero.town account:) 14:29:34 No "censorship" there 14:29:41 Maybe he can join monero.town 😂 14:30:29 not even ashamed of censoring people :) 14:30:55 reddit auto-bans all the tor accounts 14:30:57 I'm talking about bans from reddit, personally 14:31:13 I wasn't using tor but yeah I had heard that explanation for tob 14:31:28 pretty awful 14:31:39 yeah, there are often people who ask to have their post approved but when you go on their profile it says the account is suspended 14:31:50 its both for VPN and tor users 14:32:16 I think I got flagged for posting in r/monerosupport too much 14:32:16 Well I do use a VPN, as do a huge number of people, block VPN users kinda crazy 14:32:48 I think I got flagged for posting in r/monerosupport too much and talking about things like tor and i2p 14:32:48 Well I do use a VPN, as do a huge number of people, block VPN users kinda crazy 14:32:50 My acct is perm banned on reddit too 🤷‍♂️ rip 14:34:55 i was banned only on the monero subreddit, in case it's not clear. 14:35:42 Yeah I just saw you were banned in literally every channel too, I thought it was just this one 14:35:44 jesus christ 14:36:12 things are bad man 14:36:50 Blasphemy 14:37:33 Was banhammer, imo should reverse the other rooms 14:37:34 Should direct the beef to monero-beef 14:37:50 i remember when ofrn was banished to the IRC realm for months 14:38:00 tHiNgS aRE BaD MaN >> same guy made sure revuo was cancelled and even recently tried to cancel revuo 14:38:19 >cry bully 14:38:37 lol we are still pretending monerostalin is not simply trying to silence me after he banned me from everywhere he possibly could with pathetic excuses? 14:38:48 I dont like or fk w rotten, bitch ass, but i'm not a malicious dumbass to go against revuo 14:39:00 you even ended up banning me on reddit man. You cannot control yourself :P 14:39:09 yeah rotten is only nice in person 14:39:35 Rotten probably should have been banned a few times for being str8 up *phobic, racist, sexist, against short or fat people etc 14:39:44 But revuo has done no harm 14:40:26 Erc LITERALLY made @monero cancel revuo for years BECAUSE DIEGO CREATED IT AND ROTTEN RAN IT 14:41:31 Love or hate diego, he did more for community in 2-3 years than erc has done in his entire life 14:42:52 Yawn and stretch. 14:42:55 I like diego but how did Erc "made" them do anything other than by like, having an opinion 14:42:58 morning 14:43:16 im still baffled how lyza can gloss over the sgp cancel attempt 14:43:25 The needs ping me and I answer. 14:43:30 that was seriously fucked up 14:43:50 to defend it is simply crazy 14:43:53 Nerds* 14:44:11 could have left it at needs :P 14:44:14 my position is simply that we can get along, not that Erc is always correct or whatever you think 14:45:03 I just think the barrier to removing people from this space should be higher, at least as it pertains to all the other channels 14:45:14 he essentially called SGP an antisemite for, checks notes, not banning someone fast enough 14:45:28 Who runs @monero now? Who knows. But hack then, erc ranted about how @monero wasnt supposed to tweet revuo 14:45:35 and not on some pseudonym account, nah, he did @real-name 14:45:43 (never called sgp an antisemite) 14:45:55 monerobull post somewhere a proof of another of your lies please 14:45:56 we saw your tweet mate 14:46:14 sea lion goes auw auw 14:46:18 I saw it literally today and you're reaally reaching in how you describe it 14:46:20 And the @monero gods folded and stopped tweeting revuo 14:46:25 my tweet criticized sgp for the way he moderated the situation. The rest you are fabricating as usual 14:46:30 Erc would threaten as though we'd lose him as a contributor if we supported rottens newslettet 14:46:53 somebody said an opinion and another persona cted on that opinion, oh gods no 14:47:04 Plowsof moderated the (((comment))) 14:47:46 Sgp reversed the decision after appeal 14:48:26 the barrier is very high, but he still managed to jump over it. The problem is bad faith accusations of what ever kind. 14:48:27 people can draw their own lines. that's not a threat, that's a boundary 14:48:43 Numerous ppl were muted and banned that day 14:48:44 By sgp, scott, and plowsof 14:49:39 Now erc is mad that revuo gets funding 14:50:05 y'all are just describing political disagreements 14:50:18 no. Its not about politics never was 14:50:34 you really wanna argue any of this deserves a ban from say, monero-dev?? 14:50:50 shit ban him from github too why not 14:51:11 Ban rottenwheel for hating short fat people, I wanted to go for McDonalds and now I feel too guilty 14:52:09 And look, he left because of it. Rip. 14:52:10 Hes not a dev, what purpose does he serve in dev aside from attacking them? 14:52:12 Not saying it deserves a ban from dev. I said all other rooms should be unbanned 14:52:52 has he attacked people in the dev channel or otehrwise used it inappropriately? 14:52:55 HE BANNED ME AND ROTTEN FROM GITHUB 14:53:58 Should we ban him from GH? No, but should he be banning people from GH for contributing?? no 14:54:03 Dudes a clown 14:54:51 And a hypocrite. Accuses us of things HE is guilty of 14:54:53 I hear ya. I'm not trying to support everything he's ever said or done, you know. 14:55:59 I remember my first beef with this guy. We had a hijacked link on website for the offline generator 14:56:47 i brought it up in -site and erc claimed itbwas a non-issue, because the phishing site linked to mymonero 14:57:14 So i worked with plowsof to remove the link and got a pr ready 14:58:05 I'm not arguing to give him access to the site or anything but the chat rooms, besides, seems like we're on the same page on that (: 14:58:08 Plowsof consulted with erc, and erc decided to do it himself, so plowsof and i backed off and never pushed our pr 14:59:03 Erc's drops, and includes a hugendiff compared to the original file 14:59:30 he check diffs locally, and its enough to warrant a proper review. 14:59:30 1. He removed mooo's donation addr 14:59:32 2. He credited himself twice 14:59:34 3. Large diff on a crypto page 15:00:51 try harder to picture me as a malicious guy man :) all my work is public, you can distort reality only so much 15:00:51 He refused to upload diffs, and for ~6 months the pr went unmerged. Plowsof pushed our original pr (no diffs, original page) and erc threw a fit. Luigi told erc to add the diffs, erc oblidged (and banned me from github) 15:01:31 Dudes a fuckin retard 15:01:51 Because he wanted to be a baby and not upload the diffs when asked by hinto, plowsof and myself, we left a phishing link on site for 6 months 15:02:07 I don't think that's helpful 15:03:17 Does it look like i care 15:03:22 aaha being called fucking retard on the community channels. It adds to the many other unmoderated insults toward me... but i'm banned :) 15:03:35 unfortunately, it does not 15:03:40 > we left a phishing link on site for 6 months 15:03:46 this is complete bullshit in case somebody wanders 15:03:59 i never once uploaded anything malicious 15:04:06 so yeah, try harder man 15:04:26 Fortunately* 15:04:38 Its being soft that leads to allowing phishing links to exist on site and avoid a proper review of the changes 15:04:53 actually why don't you post this malicious link i uploaded? everything is on github no? 15:05:08 come on show you are not just somebody who lies with every breath he takes 15:05:33 he claims luigi is bad guy, but he's just butthurt that luigi chose not to coddle him numerous times 15:05:52 YOU didnt upload a malicious link. I never said you did. 15:05:55 hey man, stop with the new bullshit. prove that one first. Come on 15:06:30 prove anything you are saying or just prove the entire room, if there was any need, that you are a pahetic lier 15:06:49 I said you claimed the link wasnt a priority to remove, becauae it linked to mymonero 15:07:03 could you link to this discussion? 15:07:16 you say a lot of things. Come on do it for once only 15:07:19 I think y'all both should step back for a bit 15:07:29 agree. Why am i even trying. 15:07:53 they are clearly being malicious and it's disgusting they are freely allowed to do it, all with side of insults. 15:08:04 I would like evidence of *something*, *anything* at this point tbh. ErC’s history is so convoluted at this point that there isn’t a point in saying things about ErC without evidence 15:08:11 And as the site maintainer, the bad link stayed up for (iirc) over 1yr, while you knew about it and refused to upload diffs on your pr, leading to your pr not getting approved 15:08:12 and i think you should stfu. Were all entitled to our opinions, amirite? 15:08:33 Erc, yes, i can link to the discussion. 15:08:49 I mean no, as mod you actually really shouldn't be saying stuff like this, ever 15:09:04 p​reland, yeah. I would like that all these stories they have beeing sahing about me for years are for once shown to the people. 15:09:12 positions of authority carry different expectations of behavior 15:09:29 Agreed. I am of the opinion that I won’t believe this stuff until I can see real evidence of the points. You are positing that what you are saying is *factual*, right? 15:09:34 I'm not a mod 15:09:35 I'm dude who was banned for 7 months for fighting w mods 15:10:08 Speaking of mods, it appears that one is now lurking (hi bull) 15:10:27 concern trolling btw 15:10:30 preland, yeah that's the only good approach. let's see the proofs of their claims then we see 15:10:40 this isnt some corporation 15:10:42 Yes, 100% factual 15:10:43 we arent paid 15:10:46 sorry u right I got my peeps mixed up for a sec 👍️ 15:11:05 no, you're the one that comment was directed at brother 15:11:16 Plowsof can vouch, hinto can vouch, luigi can vouch, and there are logs to prove it all 15:11:18 irrelevant 15:11:38 "oh no, who will think of the children, the volunteer mods arent professional enough" 15:11:48 here are so many proofs, but he doesn't post any. Max a screenshot of me saying something he doesn't like :) 15:12:25 I’m glad to hear it. Since you probably pinged some of those people, maybe they can corroborate and provide additional evidence. 15:12:27 Th point is that by being in a positon of power in the community, you represent the community and your bheavior in particular reflects on the rest of us, because it speaks to the type of people we allow to lead 15:13:22 why didnt you step up and mod if youve been around for so long and care so much about erc getting banned? 15:13:24 Rules for thee, i see 15:13:40 nobody asked me to and I don't seek out power, you want me to help mod? I will 15:14:08 Erc abused his powers 15:14:18 What was it that got erc banned? I’d be shocked/confused if lying was the violation 15:14:50 we answered that like ten times today 15:15:23 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250228#c502830 this and a poll of 7 people (of which 5 voted to ban) 15:15:30 yeah man, 5 people outh of 3000 voted for me to be banned, so monerostalin decided he liked that and i needed to be banned from everywhere, included reddit 15:16:31 for context: user erc was previously complaining about the community being too lenient with allowing trolls to run wild 15:16:49 Ok 15:16:53 also, too lenient with ban evasion 15:17:28 basically, he was an abusive mod, got shunned by the community 2 years ago and is now back (after fudding monero the entire time and working for firo) to, idk what 15:17:38 he came here and has been arguing with people for hours 15:18:06 i really dont know why he is here 15:18:07 the logs above is me arguing with people. Note who is the first who insults 15:18:46 erc if the ban is undone can we all shut the fuck up and coexist peacefully and let old shit lie? 15:18:51 note that this was after you've been arguing with people for an entire day a week before that 15:18:57 erc is not here to coexist 15:19:03 that much is clear 15:19:08 shhh, I'm asking you the same question 15:19:10 i wanted to contribute by writing rticles monerobull and you are trying to block me from doing this by de-platforming everywhere you have power. Plain and simple 15:19:13 that's not how we do things here in monero-community 15:19:30 he wasnt even participating in the community and still shitting on monero projects on twitter for the last 2 years 15:19:36 please enlighten me, are you saying what monerobull is doing is how we handle things here? 15:19:45 can if so you really may as well go ahead and ban me too 15:19:47 erc ive invited you to post on monero.town :D 15:19:55 I was joking. Sorry it just added to the noise. I should have kept my mouth shut. :) 15:19:58 https://matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:haveno.network/$G14XQ_herljeTBMDtDJVOYUFSJIyBlMAr3ayVisw7Tc?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu 15:20:00 [@preland:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/@preland:monero.social) here is the comment where he says the phishing link isnt a priority 15:20:42 you mocking me after censoring me doesn't make you look good 15:21:07 https://matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:haveno.network/$tEWgkPfIziZpW36PutYRzgLBVAvDbjz4B_DQg-Z-bhE?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu 15:21:08 where i put forward a plan and discuss that ive started the work 15:21:13 Erc can you provide any additional context for that link? 15:21:25 i don't see his screenshots on matrix 15:21:36 https://matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:haveno.network/$6LSpm1LEKdBZGwGABupZzyfp4pUPidrYwSA8C880jRY?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu 15:21:36 where erc decides to push his own pr 15:21:49 “anyone is free to already pr the removal of the old references if deemed urgent. Since this is something that needs to be stable and changed as little as possible, better do it once but do it right” 15:21:57 https://matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:haveno.network/$tGVzkVfACcNU672OZq0tB0dB8TT0HmV9IOTB40TKUxA?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu 15:21:58 where i express issue with lack of diff 15:22:02 “anyone is free to already pr the removal of the old references if deemed urgent. Since this is something that needs to be stable and changed as little as possible, better do it once but do it right” 15:22:09 Dangit miscopied 15:22:11 why screenshots and not link to the discussions directly? 15:22:13 im not mocking anyone 15:22:17 (feb 2023) 15:22:19 feel free to make a monero.town account 15:22:47 yeah i definitely trust registering on a platform you own after today's censorship spree 15:22:52 the entire reason that site exists is to be a backup if reddit starts to censor monero 15:23:04 "censorship spree" lmao 15:23:06 Again 15:23:06 https://matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:haveno.network/$yC7O1XC1LoYO71z6Gz3n97QsCC1pnntBMZdXqddfyJs?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu 15:23:09 dont worry, lemmy has a public mod log 15:23:10 you are the backup in case of censorship. I feel safe already 15:23:38 at least i did something actionable for monero in the past 2 years 15:23:44 "Anyway. Feel free to spend your time as you prefer. Still a minimal of courtesy was expected at least from plowsof. Not cool." 15:23:44 erc mad that plowsof opened pr with diffs 15:23:59 https://matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:haveno.network/$ucHTY47YpWLi4hJsceuQprIFTH2tFvxGdaFwLc_3bs8?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu 15:24:00 more 15:24:32 i keep not being able to see anything of what he is posting or even what the claims are 15:26:14 anyway, my work is very public, as i already said. So all these prs and commits can be linked to. 15:26:16 https://matrix.to/#/!pBnQQFvuFhLffbKZpY:haveno.network/$9f2tWkUMTKZP1GTXzCVzukqKTyGXuc7EUv3a6LuRX08?via=monero.social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu 15:26:16 he had monero-site on haveno.network 15:26:31 Open link in a matrix acct that isnt banned 15:26:58 "Anyway its a mess and i would think it obvious to give ops to xmrscott so it can be not-a-mess" 15:27:00 once upon a time, i didnt think xmrscptt was a worthless little shit 15:27:31 "I think erc wakes in a few hours. 15:27:32 It was under haveno.network. homeserver was gone - yet theres still an admin on haveno.network. if that acct doesnt work, it shouldnt be there " 15:27:56 can you put up a coherent phrase of what your accusation is? 15:28:20 one is fine, but let it be clear so i can answer 15:32:43 I'm a little confused by ofrnxmr rn just cause he said he agrees you should be unbanned in other channels but he keep ranting about you 15:33:34 He claimed i was lying. 15:33:34 he hates me big time, he cannot help himself :) 15:34:12 And told me to post a link with proof, so i did 15:34:25 ah that's the proof 15:35:08 right, so, again. You posted a lot of links i told you i cannot see with uncoherent phrases under. I ask you once again, make a coherent accusation if you want me to answer 15:35:21 I don't hate erc. How can i hate something that i don't care about, at all? Weirdo 15:35:48 I hear you I feel like it's just, Idk, bad judgment, stubborness, at worst? I think erc was just heated and thought you were saying he put up a phishing link 15:36:01 it's not like, crazy that bro is feeling defensive rn 15:36:59 I'm not proving proof for you, erc - i dont care what you want to believe or remember. Preland wanted sauce, so u sent preland the sauce 15:37:05 Providing*, so i* sent preland 15:37:20 i have no idea still :) but yeah hard to not be defensive when you are constantly attacked as soon as you say a word 15:38:19 ah so you chose a way of showing your "proofs" that doesn't allow me to answer in any way. You must have taken democracy lessons from the other guy 15:38:34 He was feeling defensive back then too, while he removed mooo's donation address and added his own credits 15:38:52 ah that's just purposely misleading 15:39:43 no, your "no diffs" pr was purposely misleading 15:39:49 i removed moo's address because i thought it made sense since it wasn't a personal tool but on monero's website, i was happy to reverted when people disagreed 15:40:07 seeing malice in that it's jsut stupid. I din't have anything to gain 15:40:23 "2 reviewers requested diffs, ofrn and hinto. I dont know hinto and i dont like ofrn, so i'm not posting them. + it adds a lot of weight to the github repo!" Luigo "post the diffs" erc "yes baws" 15:40:29 by that time, i ad already worked on monero for many many years both paid and as volunteer. You cannot know because you weren't around 15:40:48 "i didnt have anything to gain, j just added my credits because i'm a nice guy" 15:41:44 yes, that was bad judgement and i acted defensive because of, again, your constant harassment. I didn't think providing an extra commit with the diff was woth it, i asked luigi if he preferred it or not. He said yes, so i added it 15:41:53 the rest is drama you are making uo 15:42:14 i made hundreds of prs in monero, in some everything went fine in other there were disagreement 15:42:17 it's normal stuff 15:42:34 you are just trying to picture me as the devil for something at at most can be seen as bad judgement 15:42:52 https://web.getmonero.org/generator/ 15:42:52 Didnt revert a damn thing 15:43:47 i'm happy to see it up since i worked a lot on it. Your point being? 15:44:25 mooos donation addr still replaced by erc's credit 15:44:48 My point is that you claim that workgroups are bad, but you, as maintainer, had this stalled for months because you refused to listen to reviewers 15:45:05 what are you talking about? The pr was merged after i was gone, if you wanted to add the address just add it. What do you want from me? 15:45:26 i dont want anything from you 15:45:34 that is absolutely not true. The pr was waiting for reviewers 15:45:37 and only that 15:45:39 I had to buy a residential proxy for this sole purpose 15:45:46 i pinged several times asking core to merge it and people to review it 15:45:57 ypou are lieing by saying that the address was the reason of the delay 15:46:00 it's a pure 100% lie 15:47:14 The address was one of the reasons i requested diffs, 100% 15:47:56 who cares about you man. I had been contributing to monero for years up to that moment, my honesty was never in discussion and you can ask anyone who worked with me that 15:47:58 Even Luigi commented that we should ask mooo (i dont think mooo ever commented) 15:48:45 3 yrs 15:48:55 you are still deflecting, because, again, i had already left at the time and the pr was merged after. If you wanted to add it i was already not around, so claiming i had something to do with it is just nonsense 15:49:08 I never claimed it was malicious. Stupid, sure, malicious? 🤷‍♂️ 15:49:20 aaah waste of time 15:49:56 Yeah, the pr was merged after you left, because you took 6 months off work 🤡 15:50:40 BAN 15:50:43 YOU CANT SAY LUIGI 15:50:53 After you left, you were replaced by people who you couldnt work with 15:50:54 ITS POTENTIALLY VIOLENT 15:50:56 REDDIT SAID SO 15:51:12 Say "Green mario" instead 15:51:53 yeah and we see the result. Translations are dead, the workgroup is dead and no meaningful commit has been pushed on getmonero since years. Without counting not even a single block to warn people about the attacks. You are doing great guys. keep it up 15:52:06 *blog post 15:52:23 TRANSLATIONS WERE DEAD ON YOUR WATCH 15:52:38 inb4 lie or someone else fault 15:52:39 that's stupidly false 15:52:53 +100 15:53:13 So translations were alive when you left??? 15:53:16 plowsof killed weblate?? Lmao 15:53:20 and you weren't even around when i worked on the workgroup. You maybe saw he end when i was just helping out as volunteer 15:53:52 yeah translations were very much alive. Don't know why weblate is down, but i guess no manpower to maintain it 15:54:02 translation ccs were killed on your watch, weblate went down on your watch 15:54:18 you are out of your mind man 15:54:24 ah the ccs? 15:54:48 Volunteer? Lol! 15:55:16 weblate was very much up and not allowing paid contributors for translations was agreed with core. Actually twice, once when i was leading the workgroup and one after when i was just around :P 15:55:22 Did anything you touched work out? Translations fell apart, haveno UI, for, etc 15:55:37 Did anything you touched work out? Translations fell apart, haveno UI, firo, etc 15:56:05 man, if you want to attack me, i don't think attacking my contributions to monero is the way to go. 15:56:24 Nah I'm just genuinely curious 15:56:30 rottenwheel wake up please 15:56:50 Bcs my contributions usually work out but it looks like all of yours have a tendency to die 15:57:18 yeah try harder man. You are still living off my contributions ;) 15:57:35 Not to mention how many contributors you are negatively effecting whenever you try to cancel someone 15:57:41 but yeah, it does happen that when somebody takes care of 1000 things, when he leaves those things die 15:57:58 you talking about cancelling is lovely 15:57:59 But then you can't claim those as am achievement 15:58:06 Should have set them up to survive 15:58:16 Yeah yeah Erc, project some more 15:58:31 I don't have tweets calling for others to be removed from anywhere 15:58:34 they were. imagine how badly you screwed up. There are literally scripts on how to keep weblate going, and it's still down. 15:59:09 i commented everything i did and the website is still dead 15:59:37 Did you arrange a replacement? Because if you havent, of course the systems will die 16:00:08 You think I'd let monero.town just die because I left the community for whatever reason? 16:00:12 Tbc, the issue with the weblate as of now is that it was shutdown during a too long period of time and therefore requires several major database migrations 16:00:37 migrations that have been deprecated in latest versions 16:00:38 you seem to be misunderstanding how monero workgroups work. If people don't pick things up, they died. I followed coordinator for translations for free for a long time to avoid the group to die, but it's a thankless job and people leave at one point 16:01:13 erc is right, we need some rainbow gamer badge saying "TRANSLATOR" to thx them for their job 16:01:31 the site redesign / workgroup have has proposed trimming down (or modifying) a lot of the content. fixing the translation issues ~ translating current content is not deemed a valid use of time 16:01:41 >Thankless job 16:01:42 Sounds familiar 16:01:47 lol 16:02:21 plowsof, I want the redesign workgroup to restart so bad 16:02:37 Admittedly, I get comparatively lots of praise thanks to synthbirb 16:02:46 Thanks snybrd 16:03:20 i'm saying only this and then i leave because i'm exausted, but needed to be done. the redesign of the website is a bad idea, especiallhy when there is lack of contributors. Making something new when the old one is well known by multiple people that are still around will come back biting you in the ass 16:03:36 i don't understand your sentence but yw dankenbull 16:04:11 that's my suggestion, but you do you. 16:04:14 im not going to disagree that a redesign is going to make contirbutors appear that review pull requests 16:04:16 \> lack of contributors 16:04:16 Tell me you don't know anything about the redesign without telling me you don't know anything about the redesign 16:04:32 there are at least 4 devs willing to commit to the work 16:04:40 for free 16:04:52 more willing to review/feedback 16:04:54 It ever unban them? 16:05:42 i'm saying that in my experience it's better to keep something already built when you are already struggling to maintain what you already have. Especially because there are a lot of translations already done, and i don't know how many new you'll get. That's just my opinion, feel free to start the usual insults and accusations while i'm away 16:06:19 Thanks for your opinion 16:07:52 when the contributors appear and every site pull request has 4 reviewers getting things pushed along i will be happy 16:08:49 no one want to review Jekyll sir 16:08:51 The current website is a load of trash english translated poorly, and fragmented spaghetti 16:08:58 until then, i shall continue modifying general fund addresses and QR's in peace , thank you 16:09:20 Thanks mbll 16:10:27 4 reviewers on the translation +70k line PR 16:10:43 doesnt matter what back end the sites written in lol 16:14:49 Never heard of this bs before 16:15:30 It's kinda niche but also not that niche 16:16:54 Its an incel thing 16:17:14 if you dont know what it is, congrats. You probably have a life 16:17:32 thats my impression too. In my country we're sensible to antisemitism and I've never been told about this 16:18:20 but it's apparently something that has been up for at least decades so yeah, niche but not that niche 16:18:25 I didnt know abt it til lebanon got banned for being antisemetic 16:19:52 After asking all of my irl people, none of them have ever heard of such a thing 16:20:23 Probably think i spend too much time in moms basement now 16:21:08 nothing wrong in staying in moms basement 16:21:17 especially if she cook hot cookies 16:22:44 No cookies unless i cut the grass, ugh 16:22:57 thats the least, your mom isn't eternal, take care of her 16:45:02 Trump tactics. Lie lie lie lie until people believe it. Annoying af 16:51:20 All I can say is that he will not divide us. 16:51:31 lets listen to some music together to lighten the mood 16:51:48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uRLJZxINAQ 16:51:56 what happened to the monero music channel btw 16:55:05 there was a monero music channel ? 16:55:07 TIL 16:59:14 I saw the harassment last week. It was warranted. 17:11:48 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Probably not even him 17:12:06 I confirm 17:12:16 full disclosure: I'm ErC 17:12:20 <3​21bob321:monero.social> It was on a diff homeserver 17:12:41 Naw, no one else capable of being as much of a victim as the real Erc 17:13:59 Came back 3 times in different hosts, all speaking like ErC 17:17:37 UrC 17:18:17 ..-20 17:18:28 he will not divide us 21:06:16 If inv only, Imma need someone to be a buddy