00:10:02 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> plowsof: The next meeting is july 10th?
00:12:37 <plowsof> 15th March https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1169 
00:12:56 <plowsof> are we adding cuprate grinding your gears to the agenda still sir?
00:18:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think the room topic bugged
00:19:08 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> how?
00:19:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It used to say "check meta for schedule"
00:19:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Now it says july 10
00:19:36 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> true
00:20:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> mhm, the only solution is to take over USA and use all the resource of the FBI to locate monero.social instance. Once we locate it we will use an army of expert to repair the database
00:20:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Our therapist says its ok to talk to ourself when lonely
00:20:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> im never alone
00:21:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> me too
00:24:58 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> We never stand alone
00:25:12 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yep
00:26:20 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> plowsof: 
00:26:20 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> can you add the CCS Ownership loophole to the agenda?
00:27:26 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> As in who owns CCS ?
00:27:35 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> That's core
00:28:20 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> im just going to talk about another clause to the CCS rules
00:30:10 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Requesters must clarify the ownership/stockholders of the project for which they are asking for funds
00:30:23 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx plowsof
00:31:44 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i and ofrnxmr own the CCS
00:32:30 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> I was paid to provide code, if I was paid to be the sole maintainer you would have a point.
00:32:44 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> plowsof: is there interest in an animated educational video about carrot?
00:33:03 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> the code exists not matter whose name is on the org
00:33:36 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> the code exists no matter whose name is on the org
00:33:58 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> long live CCS FOSS license rule
00:34:17 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> x3nu i mean _i_ thought there would be, i suggested one but this team didnt get much (if any) positive feedback https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/506
00:34:36 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> he is just mad he is (very rightly) banned from #cuprate:monero.social.
00:34:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Commie /s
00:35:00 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> well i think having an educational video about the hardfork is 100% needed as it is a very big update
00:36:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Explain this loophole
00:36:29 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i agree
00:36:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> " - ownership loophole" is a pretty garbage water excuse for an agenda item
00:36:52 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I saw the carrot animated video proposal but didn't updooted it because I was lazy, kinda regret now that it has been closed
00:37:00 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> Synbhebird (Crodyceps infected 🍄☣️): owns my CCSes as an owner of the Cuprate org, obviously ofrnxmr.
00:37:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i thought i co-owned them?
00:37:36 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rectification: I own boog900
00:38:03 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I am both owner and co-owner
00:38:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate isnt a monero-project project. You can cry harder about whatever they choose to do, or fork the project
00:38:39 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> but then how is he going to force us to not add a CoC and unban him?!?
00:38:44 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> well the guy who proposed it wasn't that good lol
00:38:58 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> We paid you too work on a project
00:38:58 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> we did trust you to get your money and do your job as a dev, simple as that
00:39:00 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> but what if lets say, cuprate has 10 other unknown owners and their interests are in conflict with the one community had in mind when donated to you?
00:39:12 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> fork it my guy.
00:39:25 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> the code it did will still be there
00:39:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or gal
00:39:33 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> the code I did will still be there
00:39:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or somewhere inbetween. we dont assume genders here
00:39:52 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i only see humans
00:39:55 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> blessed_mind: is very anti LGBTQ++++
00:40:17 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> very anti a lot of things tbf
00:40:21 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> stop spamming ffs guys
00:40:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> so that means he's a furry?
00:40:44 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> are there any point in discussing this right now?
00:40:44 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> or we should wait for Community meeting?
00:40:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 🐈️
00:41:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What for? Its not a community issue
00:41:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its a "you" problem bro
00:41:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Deal w it
00:41:47 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: 
00:41:48 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> all im saying is, if you are asking for a CCS, own the project, or clarify the ownership of the project from the start
00:41:50 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i dont get your opposition the this
00:41:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Your meeting is right now. Wassup
00:42:01 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao
00:42:08 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats why im saying
00:42:08 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> lets vote on that
00:42:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Up to there there has been no violation from Cuprate to your proposed rule. Try harder
00:42:54 <dukenukem> go to bed.
00:43:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No. You dont have to own a project to be funded to work on one
00:43:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: none of the monerod devs own monero
00:43:15 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> did i say cuprate?
00:43:26 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ^
00:43:27 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes
00:43:29 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> im saying we need to to add a rule
00:43:43 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why add a rule for a non-existent issue ?
00:43:44 <dukenukem> hey blessed, make me a sandwich.
00:43:49 <dukenukem> I'm hungry.
00:43:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem can i do it for you?
00:44:10 <dukenukem> no, you need to go to bed. it's past your time.
00:44:18 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> alr alr
00:44:28 <dukenukem> meooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
00:44:34 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
00:44:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What rule?
00:44:57 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> oh god not this guy
00:45:09 <dukenukem> callate puto baboso.
00:45:09 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> x3nu: ssssshhhhhhhhh stop spoilin the movie
00:45:14 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats a separate topic
00:45:14 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so, 
00:45:16 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> there are two topics:
00:45:18 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> 1-Adding a rule for Clarification of the ownership of the projects
00:45:20 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> 2-Cuprate's situation
00:45:22 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> they are separate
00:45:24 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i will inv tux, doug, mavric, alice and other active members on the X on the meeting day
00:45:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the ownership of cuprate is RTFL
00:45:28 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> oye
00:45:30 <dukenukem> lol
00:45:35 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> señor rueda
00:45:40 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> come mierda
00:45:41 <dukenukem> que quieres joto.
00:45:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who the fuck is alice
00:45:45 <dukenukem> no u.
00:45:58 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> an alt he created 3 days ago
00:46:00 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> XmrBazaar
00:46:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'll invite Jeff, Steve and Sally
00:46:17 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> please do
00:46:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> AilliA  ?? Lol
00:46:21 <dukenukem> I'll invite ur mum.
00:46:31 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yes, mb
00:46:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Since when is her name alice?
00:46:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro called her alive
00:46:54 <NorrinRadd> lordx3nu sounds good to me 
00:46:56 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> keep it respetful
00:47:16 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> lol
00:47:32 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> plowsof: 
00:47:32 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so we have this on agenda?
00:47:34 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> plowsof:
00:47:36 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so do we have this on agenda?
00:47:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Im going to invite powsolf, buger650, hanto, and zenu
00:47:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No
00:47:56 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Stop wasting out time
00:47:58 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> no mum jokes, that is crossing a line!
00:48:08 <dukenukem> how about you post a comment in the issue on github instead of getting the attention your attention whore ass is seeking in here, huh_
00:48:11 <dukenukem> ?
00:48:15 <dukenukem> boog900 no u!
00:48:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Go learn how foss works. If you want to contribute, open a pr
00:48:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 
00:48:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Since when did you become so retarded bro?
00:48:42 <dukenukem> who the fuck is Clarck Amberson?
00:48:52 <dukenukem> how many kewbits are we talking to right now?
00:49:06 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This synthetic fuker tried to ban me for defending you to get you unbanned when you were not here
00:49:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> At least 10yrs ago
00:49:20 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bruh
00:49:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't even remember you
00:49:29 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He called basicawap scam
00:49:31 <dukenukem> Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
00:49:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro i remember, but i dont hold grudges
00:49:40 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> interesting
00:49:43 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And you a con artist
00:49:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ppl accused py of being me
00:49:59 <dukenukem> I'm actually tacotime.
00:50:02 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> at the very least, Dont suck his balls
00:50:09 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> OOOOoooooooooooooh
00:50:12 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> lol
00:50:14 <dukenukem> What is wrong with sucking a guy's balls?
00:50:21 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> >tacotime
00:50:22 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Haha
00:50:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont suck nobodies balls
00:50:26 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah that was some time ago thx for the refresh ofrnxmr
00:50:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes, they said ik your alt
00:50:36 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes, they said im your alt
00:51:02 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> oye rueda, eres ilegal?
00:51:11 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Stop the trolling and let them vote on the meeting day
00:51:20 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Btw love you xeno
00:51:23 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Great videos
00:51:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is abt blessed trying to turn community meeting into a ban appear about being anti lbgtq in a non-monero-project room
00:51:35 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> thanks!
00:51:37 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Didnt know you were active here
00:51:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Appeal*
00:51:49 <dukenukem> lordx3nu no puto.
00:52:01 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i dont want to ban anyone
00:52:06 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> x3nu: elected most loved member in 2025
00:52:07 <dukenukem> I'll ban ur mum.
00:52:14 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you are in competition with SNeedlewoods
00:52:14 <dukenukem> syntheticbird fake news.
00:52:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Community meetings arent about what goes on in internally with other projects
00:52:23 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> hehe i'm an influencer now
00:52:23 <dukenukem> syntheticbird fake news.
00:52:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You are banned*. Didnt say you wanted to ban anyone
00:52:44 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem probably im playing pokemon STOP HARASSING ME
00:52:49 <dukenukem> lol
00:53:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the only troll is blessed
00:53:04 <dukenukem> syntheticbird y r u like dis bb?
00:53:21 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem idk bb you make me laugh
00:53:36 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Fuck him, but suddenly got flashbacks
00:53:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This was exactly me trying to unban you
00:53:40 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> 10 people are spamming and attacking and making fun of me
00:53:42 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Let the guy talk, we vote, if it passes then thats what the community wants, if not then by by
00:53:44 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Why humiliate the community members?
00:53:46 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok no sry i can't
00:53:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm being very serious that blessed clearly doesnt understand how a foss license works, or controls that community has over a ccs
00:53:50 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the bb was cringe im sry
00:54:03 <dukenukem> you homosexual.
00:54:07 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> when is the vote?
00:54:12 <dukenukem> right now.
00:54:26 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> what is my competition
00:54:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> _its not a community problem_
00:54:30 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 10 seconds ago with all my mates in my room
00:54:32 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> we were approximetaly 380
00:54:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its blessed problem with cuprate. Cuprate _devs_ have ccs's. Cuprate itself does not
00:55:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate is not under monero-project banner, ans is not subject to monero-project standards
00:55:22 <dukenukem> syntheticbird what's the unbiased, unfiltered version of whatever is going on?
00:55:29 <dukenukem> is blessed qtip?
00:55:53 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> blessed saw a CoC getting added to cuprate and then exploded in #cuprate:monero.social
00:55:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem ofrnxmr is right. blessed_mind came to discuss CoC and he was trolling, got banned and now is seething about. wanna use le ownership with CCS argument to try to appeal
00:56:02 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> blessed_mind if the same people here attend the meeting they will likely have the same questions. for cuprate situation, boog900 clarified the ownership of cuprate org, would you like them (or other cuprate contributors to state this in their ccs?) - what seems to be missing is where is the problem - or when/where can this cause a problem? so cuprate is "owned" by someone who has <clipped message>
00:56:04 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> proposed a code of conduct which you are against. There will never be a monero-project owner funded by the CCS.. the closest thing to that would be the core team who are voluntary
00:56:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The vote about project ownership is alsp nonsense. Every ccs dev project must be permissively licensed
00:56:06 <dukenukem> ah... the CoC thing...
00:56:08 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> he had to stop the wokies
00:56:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate CoC isnt a license. If you dont like it, fork cuprate and remove it
00:56:36 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you are taling about the second issue
00:56:36 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> im talking about the first one
00:56:38 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> btw
00:56:40 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> if community decides to officially replace the monerod with cuprate
00:56:42 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> are we going to give it to the trusted maintainers such as current monerod maintainers or synthetic will stay in full power until the very end?
00:57:12 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofrnxmr, me and majority are against the wokies taking the mod roles though
00:57:27 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> so am I go read his arguments.
00:57:31 <dukenukem> Alex Jones needs to take a couple xanny bars it'd seem...
00:57:34 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Maybe shut up before saying shit
00:57:50 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> there will always be a monerod and cuprate - multiple implementations are better for the network - i doubt monerod will cease to exist
00:57:57 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> \* disagree \*
00:58:01 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> "shit"
00:58:42 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> if its going to be one of the official clinets endorsed by the core
00:58:42 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> shouldn't we let the core stay at the top, not some random dev? (he can get the money and develop though)
00:58:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if is false. thx you goodbye
00:59:07 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are scared ro through anything now huh?
00:59:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> if community (monero-project) decides to adopt cuprate, and doesnt like synthetic bird in control.. yknow what happens right?? We fork it!
01:00:01 <NorrinRadd> pretty much 
01:00:03 <dukenukem> CoCs are ghey, though.
01:00:10 <NorrinRadd> or fork the comms channel 
01:00:12 <dukenukem> Very, while at it.
01:00:21 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats literally what im saying
01:00:22 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> who is "we" that is going to decide on forking it or not?
01:00:24 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> does community has any say in this?
01:00:26 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats the whole proposed agenda
01:00:28 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> can we call the fork xenubucks
01:00:31 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bait harder
01:00:45 <dukenukem> wtf are all these plebs replying to?
01:00:53 <NorrinRadd> we is we. it always has been
01:00:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprated proposed CoC is the ruby CoC. Very basic and reasonable
01:00:54 <dukenukem> no quotes get bridged, rookies.
01:01:02 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro is transforming a button on github in a "community agenda"
01:01:03 <NorrinRadd> anyone is welcome in #monero-dev and can contribute 
01:01:04 <dukenukem> I am the Monero Community.
01:01:16 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> matrix reply / quotes not making it to irc
01:01:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, anybody can fork it at any time.
01:01:26 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah sry irc
01:01:43 <dukenukem> Mmmmeeeeeeooooooooowwwwwww.
01:01:56 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Y
01:01:56 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Failed last time trying to introduce that cursed coc
01:01:58 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Thankfully ofrnxmr fked you before hijacking the project
01:02:00 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Now trying a different approach huh
01:02:02 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I did see you even tried to get simplex on that woke fuckhole bluesky but got rejected
01:02:04 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem im not gonna purrrr endlessly
01:02:06 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are a cancer to this community
01:02:08 <dukenukem> Can we all disperse and keep fucking ourselves or we need to waste more time on this?
01:02:18 <dukenukem> syntheticbird Idgaf bitch.
01:02:21 <dukenukem> Mmmmeeeeeeooooooooowwwwwww.
01:02:23 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> TIL the last part?
01:02:24 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> which one is going to be the official one?
01:02:53 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Dont dodge it little tranny
01:02:58 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lie harder py_verse
01:03:00 <dukenukem> bruh, cuprate isn't even launched yet and you are already assuming it's competing with monerod.
01:03:06 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> one can dream I was trans
01:03:11 <dukenukem> get some xanax bars and go take some fresh air.
01:03:15 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Or when you were fighting how trannys were good for projects but firefox drama happened
01:03:21 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are a psyop
01:03:29 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> multiple implementations of monerod does not mean all nodes will be cuprated
01:03:30 <dukenukem> ur mum is a psyop.
01:03:33 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Pushing that woke agenda on monero
01:03:43 <dukenukem> syntheticbird are you woke?
01:03:43 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMAO
01:03:49 <NorrinRadd> official one == the one devs decide to publish 
01:03:49 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you have invented 4 things but ok
01:04:01 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "Which one is the official one, which one will be endorsed by the core"?
01:04:10 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem I'm not asleep
01:04:22 <dukenukem> syntheticbird -__-"
01:04:26 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> github.com/monero-project/monero  is the reference implementation (node/wallet)
01:04:29 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> the one that we pay the devs to push
01:04:36 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> and we the community
01:04:55 <dukenukem> "we" bruv must've sent 0.00001 XMR once to a CCS.
01:05:04 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> are going to select one or two to focus our time and money
01:05:18 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> # our
01:05:23 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao
01:05:27 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> more than 300 till now
01:05:27 <dukenukem> you keep counting the chicken before they are even born.
01:05:37 <NorrinRadd> "focus money on" that's what the weekly meeting here is for 
01:05:38 <dukenukem> are you ghey?
01:05:48 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> how much you donated to the project?
01:05:54 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> muted troll
01:05:57 <NorrinRadd> "will encorsed by the core" -- the one that they choose to endorse 
01:05:59 <dukenukem> oh no!!!
01:06:04 <dukenukem> what am I gonna do naooo!
01:06:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> you cant mute m-relay..
01:06:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cant mute a single user on m-relay.. Thats a bridge
01:06:35 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yep, sadly
01:06:36 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> its the thought that counts, but yeah
01:06:40 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> damn what about free speech!!
01:06:44 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Where is mod?
01:06:48 <dukenukem> lol
01:06:51 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> or are you a wokie too?
01:06:53 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> personal mute?
01:06:54 <dukenukem> I am the moderator.
01:07:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof is mod
01:07:06 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> sounds woke to me
01:07:30 <dukenukem> Noooooo!!!!! woke woke woke, hey dick, stfu! Wow, you're rude. Muted, troll.
01:07:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Chewbaucha
01:07:37 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> this channel is so fucked
01:07:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Stop the fucking spam
01:07:40 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Go to off topic
01:07:42 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Duken you son of a ...
01:07:44 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> blessed_mind is currently moderating this meeting
01:07:45 <dukenukem> lmao.
01:08:21 <dukenukem> Never a dull day in the honorable Monero community!
01:08:21 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Fking 15 yo bastard
01:08:22 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Fk off the keyboard and let them talk
01:08:26 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This is the official channel
01:08:37 <dukenukem> There are no "official channels", Mr. Clarck Dickerson.
01:08:38 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> py_verse: mind lying harder again, it make me laugh
01:08:40 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Where are the mods?
01:08:48 <dukenukem> I already told you I am the moderator.
01:08:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, duke is pretty fkn annoying with the shitposting bullshit
01:08:56 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Thats what your mom said
01:09:01 <dukenukem> no urs.
01:09:11 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Let me kiss your forehead
01:09:16 <dukenukem> cum here bb.
01:09:20 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> are there any more questions for/from blessed_mind
01:09:36 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Are you going to add it or not
01:09:44 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> lost the plot with these spams
01:09:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Your meeting is right now
01:10:11 <dukenukem> the coordinator has spoken.
01:10:12 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Let plowsof answer
01:10:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'd appreciate if the shitposting stopped, so we could have a real discussion with blessed about his issue
01:10:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the meeting is right now.
01:10:52 <dukenukem> the coordinator has spoken.
01:10:59 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Finally, ofrnxmr is going to take over the world part 4(ok i stop)
01:12:01 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> surprisingly i'll be for it.
01:12:05 <NorrinRadd> "going to add it or not" -- sounds like a no to me dawgg 
01:12:17 <nioc> Does the coc allow furries because I spend most of my day with them
01:12:26 <dukenukem> nioc: human or animal?
01:12:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Blessed _best_ chance to be heard, is right now. Stage is all yours
01:12:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Two faced clown
01:12:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You dont have any other choice, you have ccs on waiting lol
01:12:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bait harder
01:13:02 <nioc> dukenukem: humans are animals 
01:13:22 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i want to inv other people's as well, lets wait for the meeting
01:13:22 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i said what i need to say, let people vote
01:13:29 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh btw py_verse feel free to shit on me outside of cuprate I won't ban you on #cuprate for it, unless you do it in #cuprate channel
01:13:42 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I vote yes and ofrnxmr will also vote yes after i pay him enough
01:13:57 <dukenukem> this is fucking bullshit. lol and monero.town is still running behind Cuckfare, I mean, Cloudfare. https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/04/cloudflare_blocking_niche_browsers/
01:14:06 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Youll insta ban me im sure lol
01:14:06 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Thats what you are
01:14:08 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> A woke bastard
01:14:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dougs opinion isnt needed, nor is tux'
01:14:31 <NorrinRadd> they won't come
01:14:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And aillia has nothing to do with any of this
01:14:44 <NorrinRadd> he can't be 1 of us if he doesn't know they dont attend ish 
01:14:55 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> so my understanding is, cuprate dev work is ccs sponsored - the owners of cuprate are introducing a code of conduct (link?) - blessed_mind does not feel that the cuprate org owners should be allowed to do this without permission of monero-project core team . the CCS rules should require monero-core (or approved persons to have ownership over said ccs projects
01:14:57 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so, community is also a group of selected people you like?
01:15:04 <nioc> Doug is never here, even when it involves him
01:15:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof, CoC is rubys
01:15:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/
01:15:44 <NorrinRadd> the fact he doesn't know that shows it's an outsider 
01:15:51 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof: https://github.com/Cuprate/cuprate/issues/390
01:15:52 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's a draft adapted from Ruby CoC
01:16:02 <dukenukem> plowsof https://github.com/Cuprate/cuprate/issues/390
01:16:07 <NorrinRadd> some type of X only member 
01:16:29 <dukenukem> anyways, who's got the crack?
01:16:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its the active participants, not the "show up once every 4 years because called to defend spmeone" group
01:16:46 <NorrinRadd> a social media community member 
01:16:49 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NorrinRadd, his opinions are too weak on an international network, he needs to take refuge with his echo chamber you gotta understand
01:16:59 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> the second part is correct
01:17:00 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> about the first part
01:17:02 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> no, cuprate and sytheticbird are free to do anything, its their project
01:17:04 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i said, boog didnt mention sythetic is the owner of the project when he asked for funds in CCS (intentionally or not)
01:17:06 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> but if someday, core decides to officially endorse the cuprate, they should take over the ownership of the project
01:17:08 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> because we trust the core not the dev and Unelected troll
01:17:29 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> they are one of the most active people of the ecosystem
01:17:30 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> wait, wtf?
01:17:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No they arent.
01:18:03 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 
01:18:04 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Am i part of that active group?
01:18:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre here right now, arent ya?
01:18:35 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so what is the criteria for this "Active Members badge"?
01:18:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> chowbungaman  tuxsudo AilliA
01:18:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Aillia is only one who will answer the ping
01:19:23 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> tag all of them for meeting, ill call the community on X for wider range
01:19:31 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> tag all of them for meeting, ill call the community on X for a wider range
01:19:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tux doesnt even answer pings in Cake Wallet
01:19:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is why youre not going on the agenda
01:19:49 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> because they are active on x
01:20:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Meetings arent to be ddosed by random participants
01:20:07 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Tbh, matrix is shit
01:20:23 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> only the old active members np
01:20:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only people who attend meetings regularly
01:20:55 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> for now, we have a few active core members, and 4-5 trolls spamming here
01:21:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Votes are always weighted
01:21:25 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Why are you gatekeeping it?
01:21:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because midopoet hates gatekeepers
01:22:01 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> is someone like arcticmine also not an active member? or dough which doing interviews left and right for the community?
01:22:02 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> only people who play in your field?
01:22:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> artic is active
01:22:24 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> who?
01:22:34 <NorrinRadd> also doesn't know who are core member -- noted 
01:22:36 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The policy guy
01:22:39 <NorrinRadd> outsider 
01:22:54 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Something something politics around monero iirc
01:22:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> see? Py.verse knows his shit
01:23:10 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> ok so "if someday, core decides to officially endorse the cuprate, they should take over the ownership of the project because we trust the core not the dev and Unelected troll" (owners of cuprate org are listed on github page https://github.com/Cuprate , now i can think of _how_ core could one day officially endorse the cuprate - i highly doubt it would ever (or need to be) on mon<clipped message>
01:23:10 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> ero-project github repo ,  there would likely be an "Alternative node implementations" section @ https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/
01:23:12 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Super active member
01:23:30 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> gate keeper
01:23:41 <dukenukem> wow.
01:23:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> irc don't see reply
01:24:07 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> would blessed_mind accept an "Alternative node implemention" section @ https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/ which displays "cuprated" and links to cuprate.org?
01:24:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Blessed cant really articulate what they want you to do
01:24:52 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Core is not going to switch to cuprate as their main focus even if its 1000 times better than monerod?
01:25:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The ELI5 sounds (to me) like: idfk
01:25:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Core is 2.5 guys who dont give a fuck
01:25:30 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait, why are we sticking to monerod? If its good, lets switch, why waste money
01:25:53 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yes thats not a problem
01:25:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate will come under moneor-project banned if _devs_ choose for it to
01:26:05 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> core*
01:26:12 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this is core decision
01:26:18 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Just give it to salsta and toboht
01:26:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> As pkowsof said, alternative implementations are good
01:26:25 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> we would have to re-write cuprated into c++ because those devs need to pay rent still
01:26:41 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> circle of life
01:26:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Core doesnt give a fuxk at all, trust me
01:26:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i trust you at about 69.43%
01:27:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If we said "add cuprate to monero-project", theyd add it. They dont care
01:27:19 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> So we cant replace the main one
01:27:20 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Only add alternatives?
01:27:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> there is no "main" impl
01:27:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There is the c++ one and the rust (WIP) one.
01:27:52 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Unofficial official client
01:28:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like how i2p has i2pd (c++) and i2p(java)
01:28:09 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The one endorsed by ofrnxmr
01:28:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I use i2pd, which isnt the original
01:28:46 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Everyone uses that version
01:29:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> sgp just used i2p(java) and monero used to recommend i2p-zero(java)
01:29:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We only recently replaces i2p-zero guides with i2pd
01:29:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just = today
01:29:49 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnxmr, i dont get your point on adding a rule for CCS, you said its against the FOSS or something
01:29:50 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> can you explain that part
01:30:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^
01:30:21 <NorrinRadd> the point is that there does not seem to be a need to add a new rule 
01:30:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Sgp is a psyop though
01:30:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> We should do the opposite of anything that fed guy does
01:30:41 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Or do?
01:30:46 <NorrinRadd> there is nothing to combat 
01:30:57 <NorrinRadd> they can run their community how they see fit 
01:31:17 <NorrinRadd> their agree was for code and the license applied to it. nothing else. 
01:31:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There is a rule saying that all projects must be licensed under a permissive license, which means that none of the projects can be truly "owned" by anyone. They are all essentially free to take/fork
01:31:35 <NorrinRadd> if monero wants to form a community around it, it will as soon as it wants to 
01:32:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not saying that we should follow what sgp did. I'm pointing out that there are multiple implementations of i2p. Even once-upon-a-time there was kovri - monero's very own fork
01:32:57 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> what if, in a situation that a dev requested a fund for his/her project which has 10 owners and because of conflict if interests, project gets abandoned half way through?
01:32:58 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yes i can fork it myself, you can too
01:33:00 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> but when you pay someone, you expect them to shoulder the full responsibility to deliver the product right?
01:33:02 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> im not saying lets make it illegal, im saying, at the very least, tell us about the stakeholders
01:33:17 <NorrinRadd> why? 
01:33:20 <NorrinRadd> who gives a shit
01:33:33 <NorrinRadd> the agreement is for code and license. nothing else 
01:33:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bkessed - we dont typically fund team projects for that very reason
01:33:55 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> we
01:33:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like soloptxmr
01:34:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We are funding devs to do what they proposed in their ccs, nothing more
01:34:31 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats exactly what i said
01:34:32 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> just put that in the rule to avoid complications
01:34:56 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean
01:35:01 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> what if a dev makes a proposal and they quit because of X should we ban all possible X.
01:35:03 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Didnt we fight with kewbit over this?
01:35:04 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> please try to remember that the past week~ has been talking to zcash or hearing about how monerobull is censoring erciccione, something to discuss is refreshing
01:35:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i said typically, not that we absolutely wont
01:35:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: unstoppable wallet
01:35:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We arent going to ask them to get their devs to open individual ccs'
01:35:52 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "they quit" who? other stakeholders? or the dev?
01:36:27 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> give enough authority to synthetic is his gangs and they will do the same in this channel
01:36:33 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> the dev quit because of other maintainers in your example what if they quit because they have to deal with blessed_mind
01:36:44 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> should we ban blessed_mind ?
01:36:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, we fought with kewbit over delivering ai slop while running around pretending to be the official haveno dev
01:37:10 <NorrinRadd> "just put that in the rule to avoid complications" - put what? 
01:37:20 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> devs must the community the assurance to handle any kind of situation until they finish their job
01:37:20 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> because thats how you ask for money
01:37:36 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean, ownership problem
01:37:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> not how ccs works
01:37:49 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Now even boog is threatening us to shut up or he will quit
01:37:54 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats how bounties works
01:38:00 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> no, just an example
01:38:08 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Why we the community members dont have any control when we are the employers
01:38:33 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> take pills
01:38:36 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Since when did a contracti talk shit to their employer
01:38:36 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Same thing with moli happened, kewbit, now synthetic bird
01:38:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nah. Kewbit is a total noob who doesnt understand open source. He broke licensing agreements because all he does is send prompts to ai and do marketing
01:38:56 <NorrinRadd> "just put that in the rule to avoid complications" - no. 
01:39:08 <NorrinRadd> don't meet the milestone == dont get paid.  easy. 
01:39:20 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes
01:39:26 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you aren't the community, you aren't the employer, you are just a hater behind a chair. touch grass
01:39:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We have control in the proposal stage
01:39:33 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Dont meet the rules req
01:39:34 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Fuck off ez
01:39:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: i am PRO retroactive ccs or 1 milestone ccs
01:40:00 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> No we dont
01:40:02 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This catfish slipped through that control net
01:40:04 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Okay, but put that damn rule to prevent the next ones
01:40:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Meaning, you dont get paid til you deliver
01:40:11 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> my point was we can't keep adding rules banning things that might make a person quit
01:40:20 <dukenukem> jesus christ, what a tuesday night...
01:40:24 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> As i am, i did upvote your argument on that too
01:40:37 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> the list is literally infinite
01:41:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I DONT like ccs that dont finish the job, and have unrealistic milestones. The way ccs is designed has a lot of trust involved
01:41:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You have to trust that a dev wont leave after 50% of the milestones
01:42:08 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> on a project like cuprate which is a long term project, its a logical step for us to take your insurance on things like this
01:42:08 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> lets be honest, you cant replace the original dev on a large project and fork it
01:42:10 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you developed that code, you know the best, its possible but its hard
01:42:18 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> im sorry you dont like unrealistic milestones, i've just changed them to realistic ones, and added another realistic one and doubled the asking amount
01:42:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> so i often vote for milestones to be modified to actually deliver working products
01:42:46 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> That was so fking infuriating haha
01:42:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate is an example of a project born from nothing, that has delivered time and time again.
01:42:58 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> monerod did that many times
01:43:20 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> We have a lot of good projects abandoned because of the same reason, what a waste
01:43:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #freeross
01:43:45 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> can you give us an example of that?
01:43:58 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> it was forked from a scam coin
01:44:02 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> 800 XMR and we make Ross evade from prison
01:44:02 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Milestone 1: Evasion
01:44:07 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> and then forked again
01:44:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> bro wrote his own bounty, raises 100xmr, failed, and tried to create a new ai slop bounty
01:44:17 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> monerod maintainers were the core devs, and replaced by trusted people of the community
01:44:24 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> and then people built major things into monerod ... and left
01:44:34 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> now others maintain
01:44:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a problem with not properly vetting ccs proposals for viability
01:44:40 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> oh you mean bytecoin?
01:44:42 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> once in a 10 year period is not that much, is it
01:44:57 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> how many times are your forking cuprate lol
01:45:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Most of those bad proposals are from pre-plowsof era
01:45:06 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> how many times are you forking cuprate lol
01:45:11 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He is trying to overthrow the core now, led by evil ofrnxmr lol
01:45:17 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof deserve a raise
01:45:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof: give me your address in dm so that I can send you a present
01:45:31 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (this conversation is recorded by the CIA)
01:45:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof gives himself a raise on paper, but then only collects every 3 months
01:46:03 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> because maintainers were chosen carefully to some extent
01:46:04 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> they didnt pop up out of thin air like synthetic bird
01:46:18 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> the goal posts are moving too fast
01:46:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro still don't wanna digest i was there since the beginning
01:46:25 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> I can't keep up
01:46:42 <NorrinRadd> comparing apples to oranges 
01:46:47 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Pre ofrnxmr era
01:46:48 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Plowsof alone is weak, sorry to break it, no hate but he cant manage it all alone
01:46:51 <NorrinRadd> are we there yet? 
01:47:26 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Why are there so many trolls in this channel?
01:47:58 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> \* troll \*
01:48:05 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> "why is there so many trolls in this channel ?"
01:48:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Pedo tranny, you are the leader of those gangs
01:48:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> new title
01:49:00 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Petition to ban rust devs
01:49:09 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Again lets vote on that on the meeting
01:49:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Vote on what
01:49:50 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> And lets not alienate anyone who is not active 24/7 on this channel
01:50:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Kayaba is rust dev tho
01:50:05 <NorrinRadd> topic closed. 
01:50:12 <NorrinRadd> ignore this guy until next meeting 
01:50:17 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> translation: "please let my alt account go in otherwise i don't have any support for my ban appeal"
01:50:35 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> don't break their sad reality that FCMP++ is written in Rust
01:50:39 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> on adding that rule
01:51:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What rule is that
01:51:18 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i said lets take the vote of active people on x
01:51:20 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> again, you are attacking the community that is outside of your circle
01:51:37 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no im actually referring to you as a single individual
01:51:40 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but bait harder
01:51:52 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "Clarify the ownership of the project you are getting funded for"
01:52:24 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Im saying people on x
01:52:24 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> this is your third time calling them trolls/alt accounts/ non active members etc etc
01:52:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There are no project owners for permissively licences projects ...
01:52:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who owns monerod? who owns cuprate?
01:53:02 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> They can have other people as owners, just clarify it, a headsup for us to know
01:53:19 <NorrinRadd> ignore this guy
01:53:23 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh my god, take the L already and just admit you aren't capable of reading a fucking github page, if so was your real concern.
01:53:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> someone can own the _repo_, but not the project
01:53:33 <NorrinRadd> it'll be voted down officially in a meeting and that'll be the end of it 
01:53:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yeah i wouldnt have given a like to cuprate from the start if i knew this virus cat is going to infect our community
01:53:58 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Alt accpunt of bird
01:53:58 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Fk off
01:54:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NorrinRadd welcome to the club
01:54:39 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> whats wrong about owning a project that we are funding?
01:54:40 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> at least, for projects specific to the monero community
01:54:54 <NorrinRadd> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
01:55:08 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> you want to add the rule, what's the problem with it?
01:55:17 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you see py_verse, NorrinRadd took some time to respond, thats because I had to switch accounts
01:55:25 <nioc> are we still here?
01:55:27 <NorrinRadd> lol 
01:55:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its been about an hour discussing 1 item
01:55:59 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> exactly, whats the problem with voting on a new rule?
01:56:18 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there has been 0 CCS related items since the beginning, only one guy whining over a ban for trolling
01:56:19 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Oh shit, nioc, another headache
01:56:20 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This convo is doomed
01:56:22 <nioc> how many times has that question been asked
01:56:28 <NorrinRadd> ofrnxmr yeah just vote this guy down at a saturday and give it a rest for now 
01:56:40 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> nice dodge
01:56:57 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> 99 percent of hem syntheticbird and norrin and dunken guy spamming
01:56:58 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats why i said in the beginning to keep it spam free form trolls
01:57:05 <nioc> imagine wen they find out I own everything 
01:57:08 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i literally repeated my reason 10 times now
01:57:31 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You own a big thing down here too nioc
01:57:32 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Should i ship it for you?
01:57:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Norrin, plowsof still needs to know what exacrly he's supposed to be adding to the agenda
01:57:51 <NorrinRadd> he rephrased correctly a few times.
01:57:53 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> the reason changed 10 times*
01:58:07 <NorrinRadd> as long as we address this & end it, alls good 
01:58:35 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> can you tell me on of them?
01:58:36 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> what was my reason for this suggestion?
01:58:38 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> out of so called 10 version, quote one of them
01:58:51 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i would like to hold a vote in 2 minutes on the hour for "Clarify the ownership of the project you are getting funded for"
01:58:53 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> can you tell me one of them?
01:58:54 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> what was my reason for this suggestion?
01:58:56 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> out of so called 10 version, quote one of them
01:58:59 <NorrinRadd> idgaf. you can speak on saturday & then it'll be over
01:59:11 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> wait for meeting,
01:59:21 <NorrinRadd> not now. we tried now and failed; you won't shut up. so it'll be on a saturday like you asked several times 
01:59:23 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> "it could make the proposer quit if there is a disagreement" was 1
01:59:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So.. "new rule: [must] Clarify the ownership of the project you are getting funded for"
01:59:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yes/no
01:59:39 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> its literally boog, syntheticbird, his friend norring ofrnx and you
01:59:50 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yes
01:59:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Clarify for a rule is vague. Specify would be a better verb
02:00:11 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> ok sounds great
02:00:19 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and ownership just assume BDFL while there are other type of governance
02:00:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> New boog ccs "i do not own cuprate"
02:00:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> New syn ccs "i do not own cuprate"
02:00:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> New jeffro ccs "i do not own monerod"
02:00:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> new kaya ccs "i do not own fcmp++"
02:00:57 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait, nothing is decided
02:00:58 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 
02:01:00 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Whats your take, yes or no
02:01:21 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Oh mf trolling mode again
02:01:23 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> monerokon are already ahead of the game and clearly lay out their new structure under twisted edwards
02:01:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No. because every ccs would be "i do not own ... "
02:01:38 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> very elegant
02:02:02 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i said clarify, dont twist my words
02:02:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not trolling.
02:02:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i didnt twist you words, i copy and pasted you
02:02:50 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> where shall this vote be held, at the start during community highlights?
02:02:54 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Plowsof did understand the point 
02:02:54 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You too bro, you are just tossing over it at thia point
02:02:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^
02:03:12 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> replay to that message
02:03:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> only if the end of a timer means => vote denied
02:03:24 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> yes
02:03:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes
02:03:57 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> without a timer community highlights is gonna  be 3 hour long
02:04:09 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "Clarify", didnt say they must not own
02:04:10 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "Clarify it"
02:04:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Py asked if id be voting yes or no. I responded the abovrle
02:04:59 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> added  to agenda Vote requested by blessed_mind "new CCS rule: [must] Clarify the ownership of the project you are getting funded for"
02:05:13 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Btw if we are counting votes for only accepted members
02:05:14 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Then these nobody goons of synthetic bird should are also useless votes
02:05:16 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof specify a timer
02:05:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I didnt say anythinf about "must not own", i said "must clarify"
02:05:31 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets say only members older than 1 year based on activity
02:06:20 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm 3 year old
02:06:21 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait, am i active for over a year?
02:06:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only active members who have participated in a meeting (any meeting, mrl, etc) within the past 6mth
02:06:38 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> :(
02:06:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ye
02:06:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Close enough
02:07:02 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> And active members who work for monero ecosystem
02:07:12 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> When did you get banned
02:07:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nah
02:07:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I joined before you get banned
02:07:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> A few months earlier
02:07:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> @monero and being employed by cake doesnt make your vote worth anything
02:07:59 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats no more than 10 people lol
02:08:00 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> just say you only accept your own people
02:08:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No cheerleader votes, smh
02:08:13 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> blessed_mind: syn owns https://librejo.monerodevs.org/Cuprate/cuprate on his CCS does he need to put me down as an owner?
02:08:20 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> what about random kids trolling all day long here?
02:08:49 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> if you work on a fork do you need to put the upstream owner as an owner?
02:08:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> syn owns librejo.monerodevs.org/monero-project too boog900
02:09:02 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you should've just "Clarify" that synthetic still owns the project besides you and you were good to go (based on new rule that im proposing)
02:09:12 <NorrinRadd> certainly not going to accept votes from unknown randos 
02:09:16 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> but I work on a fork owned by myself
02:09:22 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> its not about synthetic shouldn't own the funded project, or you
02:09:22 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> just say it
02:09:48 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Librejo mentioned ❤️
02:09:54 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> You are delivering the one that you both own
02:09:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody "owns" cuprate. The code is permissive.
02:10:03 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> no I am delivering code
02:10:18 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> if I upload code to GitLab who owns it?
02:10:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If it wasnt permissive, it wouldnt be allowed to be funded under ccs. Period
02:10:23 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> like you?
02:10:39 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> for 100th time blessed_mind, IRC don't see reply
02:11:06 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> which one is the one that you are going to submit at the end to claim your funds?
02:11:25 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> whichever allows me to skirt these rules
02:11:32 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait, boog, are you retarded?
02:11:32 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Thats what kewbit did
02:11:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Librejo and github have the same code
02:11:55 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> these rules are meaningless and provide no protection for the CCS
02:12:00 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He doesn't own the haveno, he just makes false advertising as the legit haveno
02:12:05 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> In your logic, thats okay too
02:12:31 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Answer this
02:12:32 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> what, no, I am working on `cuprate-boog` completely different project
02:12:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Boog doesnt own cuprate... neither does syntheticbird
02:12:49 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> How are you going to prevent kewbit situation?
02:12:58 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> by adding a CoC
02:13:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The proprietary fork, unpaid
02:13:17 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> They can't comprehend there is a difference between code and organization/project
02:13:25 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Take my CoC woke bastard
02:13:26 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Like firefox nixos, and other woke shits right?
02:13:29 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its 1.1x faster than cuprated
02:13:39 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ban anyone you dont like and yell nazi
02:13:45 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> wat
02:13:53 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> the sleeper agent has been activated
02:14:00 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> attack woke!
02:14:12 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Anti fagg agent
02:14:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ive never seen boog so happy before
02:14:27 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And im open about it
02:14:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Im not two faced backstabbel like someone
02:14:46 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> No kids for you
02:14:46 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Die pedo
02:14:49 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> \* insult heavily without arguments \*
02:14:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> \> "im open about it"
02:15:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> py 🤫 we have CoC on matrix / irc
02:15:10 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But i dont censor you though
02:15:14 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Sry
02:15:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And someone has certain words on alert
02:15:18 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> py_verse requirements of voting mean you are somewhat sober and mentally stable
02:15:41 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> these guys are just as unstable as real "wokies"
02:15:49 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> How are trannys are mentally stable when they  cant accept themselves?
02:15:50 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> inb4 for py_verse im mentally ill and therefore not able to vote
02:15:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> +100
02:15:58 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> who would have guessed
02:16:02 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> CoC = trans = woke
02:16:11 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> isn't that how the world work?
02:16:24 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> want to show you real world example?
02:16:24 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> firefox?
02:16:32 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> godot?
02:16:38 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> show me ruby
02:16:49 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Elementaryos, nixos, opensuse etc etc
02:16:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate's CoC is for the cuprate matrix and github
02:16:56 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not for cuprated
02:17:01 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> good job
02:17:08 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh oops
02:17:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i thought it was blessed_mind saying that
02:17:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I overestimated him
02:17:24 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> I wasn't even that for a CoC lol: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1161
02:17:41 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> I thought it was probably unnecessary
02:17:52 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> blessed_mind: proved me wrong very quickly.
02:18:02 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> funny thing is, synthetic bird tried to implement the main version, the cursed one but got rejected by ofrnxmr
02:18:02 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> even to this day, he doesn't accept the reason ofrnxmr rejected that CoC (you can check his chats)
02:18:04 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> he clams its completely normal and stripped down version
02:18:20 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> did i say you are for CoC?
02:18:44 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> I just got wished to die.
02:18:54 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr: can you write in this chat that we both discuss this CoC together after a while and that at the moment we just agreed to disagree
02:18:57 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i was literally talking with syntheticbird on cuprate channel
02:19:11 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> talking is a bit of a stretch.
02:19:25 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> # a bit
02:19:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Which CoC
02:19:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you know, the monero meta one
02:20:07 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the ultra woke one
02:20:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The proposed monero CoC? Yeah, fk that one :D
02:20:22 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Contributor Covenant
02:20:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which you didn't read
02:21:07 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: 
02:21:08 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets add a vote
02:21:10 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> On whether or not we should let woke people as a mod, maintainers or not?
02:21:12 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Not ban them, just, dont give these unstable people power to censor people left and right
02:21:14 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> as proved by the comment of your 3 weeks long github alt
02:21:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The C4 is a completely different "CoC" and exists on monero and is currently being improved. It governs how one should contribute code (via pr, not commiting directly etc)
02:21:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what else is there more to say. I think that sums up py_verse shitshow pretty well
02:22:04 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> we have to make sure that they dont change it to the Contributor Covenant later on
02:22:27 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Are you scared of democracy?
02:22:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets see how people vote
02:22:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It goes through PRs and reviews.
02:23:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There are ~10-15 open prs atm to improve the C4
02:23:12 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> again, this is unrelated to the first discussion
02:23:12 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> the rule
02:23:14 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you said we even have co
02:23:16 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> again, this is unrelated to the first discussion
02:23:18 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> the rule
02:23:20 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you said we even have CoC
02:23:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We dont have a CoC, we adopted a C4 that we call a CoC
02:23:46 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> it doesn't mention this situation about ownership
02:23:46 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> does it?
02:24:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We _rejected_ a CoC years ago, and opted for c4 instead
02:24:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sort of.
02:24:39 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> and i think we should be careful of people who are trying to push that again, no?
02:24:53 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> can you quote that part?
02:25:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9744
02:25:29 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> can you read?
02:25:45 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no sgp_ ITS A TRAP
02:25:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9738#discussion_r1930251371
02:25:52 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> GET OUT
02:25:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> GET OUT OF HERE
02:25:56 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I reread the messages and i noticed that
02:25:56 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Throught the entire conversation
02:25:58 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> boog900: is not against anything related to ccs, like, it doesnt affect your dev work does it?
02:26:00 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are just throwing a tantrum because of birdie
02:26:25 <m-relay> <s​gp_:monero.social> Adding to this, we could make a separate i2pd app as well, they aren't mutually exclusive. i2p java was simply easier for us to add to TrueNAS first so we picked that, no other reason
02:26:28 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> it's related to Cuprate
02:26:47 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> No first topic is not
02:26:56 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Look, you are not even against it
02:27:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its rooted in cuprate. Blessed is only making noise because of cuprate ban
02:28:06 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> fk the ban bro
02:28:06 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> im on that "Clarifying" rule
02:28:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And because blessed doesnt understand how a permissive license works, and how the cuprate matrix and github is not what is funded
02:28:25 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you guys are denying the first part by spamming the second part
02:28:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what is the first part and second part
02:29:00 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> you told me to die? I am here because of Cuprate
02:29:22 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are alive though
02:30:03 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> my point was I was not the one to throw a tantrum
02:30:24 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> blessed_mind: did in #cuprate:monero.social which stated this all off
02:30:34 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> it's really pointless
02:30:54 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> for 100th time
02:30:54 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "Clarifying"
02:30:56 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> second part was, if cuprate becomes the main official client, core or trusted people should take over the ownership of the project which plowsof mentioned that, there are no official client in the first place, and cuprate is going to stay in alternative clients section, so no issue on that part
02:31:03 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> the rule isn't going to change anything
02:31:18 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> We will decide that as a community not you, a contractee dev
02:31:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only like the 4th or 5th bro, chill :)
02:31:43 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> It is going to change a lot, that's why you are crying and fighting for your life
02:31:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> "if cuprate become official then it needs to be owned by monero project", yeah no need for a new rule, this is pure logic. so no issue on that part.
02:32:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It will literallt change nothing
02:32:17 <NorrinRadd> well all know that
02:32:18 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> still 4 or 5
02:32:18 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> give me a rest
02:32:20 <NorrinRadd> only they don't
02:32:37 <NorrinRadd> so let them just lose on a saturday & it'll be over 
02:32:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Having peopke wrotr "i do not own this project" is clearly obvious considering ALL PROJECTS ARE PERMISSIVE
02:32:42 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats literally my point in this discussion
02:32:55 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> well then your point is useless
02:33:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> you can be the only dev. You can hold the ownership over all repos. You do not own the project if the code is permissive
02:33:34 <NorrinRadd> plowsof seems like you'll have to time cap the discussion
02:33:51 <NorrinRadd> this guy is troll extradenaire 
02:34:15 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i dont have anything more on that part
02:34:16 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> and about clarification
02:34:18 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnx, in that C4 thing you mentioned, it says if problem arise, dev should file a report, of logs, chats, etc etc
02:34:19 <NorrinRadd> 2 minutes for anyone to say their piece & then vote 
02:34:20 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> bunch of headache to start this convo all over again
02:34:22 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so just make it a rule to avoid the unessecary steps
02:34:32 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> sounds about right
02:34:45 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof will be the one counting the vote
02:34:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The ENTIRE point of the permissive requirement, solves the ownership question
02:34:51 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in his own notepad
02:35:06 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofrn warned you, why did you come out again
02:35:36 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you have a lot of patience
02:36:03 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Extra assurance on development part
02:36:04 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> just as plowsof said lets vote on the meeting, nothing more to say
02:36:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof said "i'm going to bed so lets waste 2mins in meeting instead of 4hrs here"
02:36:54 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Because your goons keep spamming the chat
02:36:54 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> That guy boog doesn't knowthe topic, throwing random shits
02:36:56 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And you...
02:37:03 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Its was 5m discussion
02:37:15 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes or no on plowsofs part as a ccs coordinatoe
02:37:21 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> py_verse you mentioned "trannys" earlier
02:37:32 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> am i?
02:37:40 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Is he though
02:37:53 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Boog come to me if you have a ploblem
02:37:56 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If the project isn't permissive, its already intelligible for ccs under rule # 4
02:38:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ineligible
02:38:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "new rule: must follow rule 4"
02:39:04 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> they are not overlapping each other
02:39:04 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> even if its permissive, what if they fight in the middle of the dev cycle with other shareholders?
02:39:11 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> New objective: Follow the objective
02:39:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe we need a "new rule: must read rules before proposing new rules"
02:39:22 <NorrinRadd> no one cares
02:39:25 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> extra assurance is not against C4
02:39:28 <NorrinRadd> they're welcome to fight
02:39:40 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I care
02:39:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sry for your loss
02:39:57 <NorrinRadd> blessed_mind can dm py_verse then 
02:40:22 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: 
02:40:22 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> its a community meeting
02:40:24 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> lets just vote on meeting after a quick mention of the topic and get over it
02:40:34 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They are welcome to quit at any time. Hinto, boog, and syn dont have to like each other. Kaya "left" monero, jberman doesnt have to like jeffro, ooo123 doesnt have to like rucknium etc
02:41:08 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> you need to create a merge request editing the CCS rules with justifications that people can read and respond.
02:41:23 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> i guess our argument is on the term "community" itself
02:41:24 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> in your eyes, only the 10 or so people the the monero community that has any kind of say in this ecosystem
02:42:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe more should participate in the logistics instead of just hanging out on twitter?
02:42:21 <NorrinRadd> only 10 or so people give a F to give input 
02:42:38 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> posting on matrix does nothing for my analytics
02:42:42 <NorrinRadd> let's go arrest some people on the street and force them to participate 
02:42:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^^^
02:42:53 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats the main platform for "monero community"
02:42:54 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> maybe count numbers?
02:43:08 <NorrinRadd> instead of larping on X 
02:43:29 <NorrinRadd> blowing smoke up each others' asses 
02:43:33 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ill make a tweet on monero society
02:43:34 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> lets see the  older members take on this?
02:43:36 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you have x dont you ofrnxmr?
02:43:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I can only count to 10 unless i take my shoes off
02:43:55 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait ofrnxmr is hated on x
02:44:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes i have twitter
02:44:22 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But yeah, the main community is there instead of this eco chamber
02:44:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nah, only while i was locked up
02:44:39 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Even kewvit has a group on x haha
02:45:08 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Sacred mission of overthrowing the corrupt core team, lead by evil ofrnxmr
02:45:11 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> do they host monero spaces where they review pull requests?
02:45:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Kewbit has tens/hundreds of turkish bots commenting on his posts 😆
02:45:36 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> they can if you want too, or do it on the monerotalks
02:45:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "so we only listen to people who do actual work?"
02:45:57 <NorrinRadd> plowsof took the words out my mouth 
02:46:19 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> what is that actual work?
02:46:47 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> only people who code on the core github repo?
02:46:49 <NorrinRadd> ask doug about a PR and see what happens 
02:46:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Reviewing and writing prs, while finding and fixing vulnerabilities (like boog)
02:47:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Doug thinks pr means "public relations"
02:47:26 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> let me rephrase it
02:47:26 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> "are there any way for no devs to influence the direction of the project?"
02:47:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No
02:47:58 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait
02:48:18 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> idk what to say!!
02:48:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Devs write and review code. Non-devs can comment and NACK stuff, or review things they dont agree with. But not by tweeting.lol
02:48:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait thats why we hated the core
02:48:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ANYBODY** can review a pr
02:49:06 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Because they dont listen to the community and only talk in their own circle of 2-3 people
02:49:06 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are doing the same shit
02:49:08 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But 10 people
02:49:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> EVERYBODY is welcome to meetings where future changrs are discussed
02:49:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: i proposed a short-term hard fork the other day
02:49:40 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You like it here now you admin huh
02:49:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also pushing for a DSA change to improve rings, and to reopen a closed pr that did so
02:49:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also pushing to merge master -> release w/o a hard fork
02:49:56 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> "fuck anyone who is not part of my kingdom"
02:50:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Core doesnt do anything
02:50:29 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the plot is that py_verse is going to continuously see others as tyrannic until he becomes one himself
02:50:31 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> Monero is a donation based project
02:50:32 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you cant just say fk everyone who is not a dev
02:50:41 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> They do on their own pace
02:50:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They dont "steward" the project.
02:50:52 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The problem was, ignoring the community in the first place
02:51:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, they literally do nothing but maintain wallets
02:51:08 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Stewarding is not creating your own little corw though
02:51:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tobtoht handles merges on monerod and gui now
02:51:35 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Not a ped sorry
02:51:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuz luigi cant be bothered to be available twice a month
02:52:06 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> at least you can treat me like a real one and give me evidence/proof
02:52:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When did i say fk anyone?
02:52:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^
02:52:49 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This is like shooting yourself in the foot/feet? 
02:52:50 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Alienating the donors when your funding model is completely donation based
02:52:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^
02:53:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If you think devs are checking twitter or reddit before approving a pr, youre cooked
02:53:23 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You literally said you dont listen to anyone who is not a dev
02:53:47 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Spirobel, kayaba, jeffro and others have an X account
02:53:51 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Wtf is that logic
02:53:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> _im not a dev_
02:54:01 <NorrinRadd> and an individual 
02:54:24 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean you are though
02:54:24 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You work on basicswap scripts😄
02:54:33 <NorrinRadd> smh explaining a decentralized project to normies 
02:54:48 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> They call it ai
02:54:48 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But meh, you make it work, thats matter
02:54:57 <NorrinRadd> but but but who's in charge?!?!
02:55:06 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> are you mentally strong enough to handle a warning for breaking the libera policy rules py_verse?
02:55:11 <NorrinRadd> but but but but who is the owner?
02:55:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not ai tho 😆. I guess a compliment, because the scripts actually work 😆
02:55:26 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> So for a recap
02:55:28 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnxmr
02:55:30 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> you wont accept the meeting agenda
02:55:33 <NorrinRadd> but but who do I sue if I'm offended? 
02:55:54 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> and anyone who is not an active member in the development doesn't have any say in the community?
02:56:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The item on the agenda is what i proposed. Youre item is on the agenda
02:56:05 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> py_verse: i am still waiting on the proof
02:56:24 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> calling people "ped"s dashed in between trying to have a conversation? 🤷
02:56:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Can they detect that too?
02:56:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ill be more careful sry
02:57:11 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean, statistically 
02:57:12 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> They are a bit more attracted to those things
02:57:14 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Statistically, math, you know?
02:57:29 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> epic
02:57:31 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Give me access to your computer
02:57:54 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> so why are you arguing?
02:58:02 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> thats what i asked for
02:58:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> alright py_verse, you have been promoted into the "liar and troller" case. Congratulations.
02:59:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuz its a joke that you dont understand rule 4
02:59:33 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I think i saved one of the official data about this
02:59:34 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ill send it if i find it again in the upcoming says
02:59:55 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > one of the official data about this
02:59:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro take your pills
03:00:15 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Im normal dont worry
03:00:16 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont need a pill to...
03:00:18 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Nice bait tho
03:00:52 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Lyza: you hear that? I'm trans apparently now.
03:00:54 <m-relay> <b​lessed_mind:matrix.org> ok have a nice day
03:01:10 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Another zombie goon
03:01:35 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofrnxmr, bro to bro, letting these guys run wild will only backfire us later on
03:01:39 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Like zcash
03:01:46 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> i mean
03:01:46 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Shitcash
03:01:58 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Save this message
03:02:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think this rule change is woke
03:02:44 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Then why are woke people fighting to death against it
03:02:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> boog isnt woke afaik
03:02:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> imagine not understanding what you are fighting for
03:03:05 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and just following the mass
03:03:09 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> no 😆
03:03:11 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He is
03:03:31 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and syn gets accused of being transphobic
03:03:39 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> NO DONT TELL HIM
03:04:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> syn's monero CoC was wack, but the cuprate one isnt
03:04:23 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He had his pronounces in his githuv bio, but he removed it after you got unbanned and make a noise against sgp and woke psyops
03:04:35 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> I literally didn't even want the CoC that much, look at the meeting.
03:04:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The cuprate one is common courtesy (ruby CoC)
03:05:17 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Again boog
03:05:18 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are lost, throwing random shits between conversation to defend sync
03:05:20 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> life must be hard thinking what you see in the present moment represent the full story
03:05:38 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> I don't think I did that 🤷
03:05:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> libera.chats CoC is far worse than cuprates
03:05:54 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I can at the very least, remember the people who stabbed a knife in me, dont worry
03:06:08 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I don't even know you
03:06:38 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stop victimizing yourself
03:06:43 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I didn't even tell the full story about your shits on ofrnxmr part to avoid starting another drama
03:06:44 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are a lier
03:07:16 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you mean i didn't tell the lies in your heads
03:07:19 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah thats about right
03:07:21 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I was the only fucking guy in this space who was against the rulling party(lol)
03:07:32 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Im a lier?
03:07:46 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> up to know you are competitive liar
03:07:50 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> up toknow you are competitive liar
03:07:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> up to now you are competitive liar
03:08:00 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you can have a medal
03:09:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> type faster
03:10:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> see ya'll in 3 days
03:10:41 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> In basicswap ccs
03:10:42 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You literally said:
03:10:44 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> "Guys i talked with basicswap devs, they dont even know about the proposal, ofrnxmr is exit scamming"
03:10:46 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I called you on your lie, 
03:10:48 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I told you to show evidence, you said i promised the devs to not show ss, i tagged plowsof, he chickened out because there wasnt any support on my part
03:10:50 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You did so much shit behind his back and when he got unbanned you were the fast to suck up to him
03:10:52 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont think you should get banned, its a free space,  all im saying we should not let you in any kind of position of power
03:11:21 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Its not I've shown screenshots to multiple people
03:11:50 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> next lie please
03:11:54 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont have any kind of personal problems with boog
03:11:54 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The problem is, he is defending a leacher like you, while his interests are in danger, and he is ready to lose doners and supporters for you which fighting to implement a CoC and other woke shits
03:12:17 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> If he is a neutral normal dev, he should just shut up and take his money and work on his project
03:12:32 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> that would make me a bitch.
03:12:35 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Send them, right here, right now
03:13:10 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This does call every neutral dev a bitch
03:13:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why would i break the privacy of someone else for your trolling behavior?
03:13:34 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Again, funny how much you are fuking over your image for this bad actor
03:13:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont think boog is defending syn, as much as he doesnt like blessed (period)
03:14:09 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> yes 100% ofrnxmr
03:14:16 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Privacy? You are literally lying and destroying someone's career and future with your lies
03:14:29 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> I have not stuck up for syn many times when he has been in shit.
03:14:36 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Blessed guy doesnt have any kind of problem with boog
03:14:39 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Nor cuprate
03:15:03 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> he absolutely does
03:15:16 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> this is where the ownership problem comes from
03:15:34 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Thats why I think you are not suitable for this job
03:15:34 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are a fking kid that doesnt understand the weight of your words on people's lives
03:16:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr bench pressed the weight np
03:16:18 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> He just said, you shouldve mentioned sync is also an owner
03:16:35 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> that's what he has settled on
03:16:42 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> say the guy that called me a "pedo tranny" out of nowhere
03:16:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but by all means continue the hypocrisy
03:16:59 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes, but i feel that you are a bit constrained because of the rules and responsibilities
03:18:25 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You did some shit, you got some shit
03:18:26 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But i did call boog some things
03:18:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> boog900: 
03:18:30 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Did I severely affect your career or your life? Something on par with banning someone from his project and making him a liar?
03:20:08 <m-relay> <b​oog900:monero.social> are you talking about blessed's ban?
03:20:22 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This is the thing that you woke kids don't understand, this is just a fun typing game for you, like every other day
03:20:22 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> But a lot of people live off this,  i want someone who understands the weight of his words/job and responsibilities, something that woke people, on 90 percent of the occasions couldnt understand, we dont want to bet on that 10 percent
03:20:24 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> We bet on non woke for 50 50 at the very least
03:21:09 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's so sad you put
03:21:13 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> No, he mentioned I'm lying too, he is trying to justify his shit with my swears towards you
03:21:28 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It's so sad you put people in the same "woke" basket despite them having experienced the same things as you have experienced.
03:21:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> TIL
03:23:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> py_verse is 1/15 ofrnxmr alt accounts. I'm happy to have so many different personalities
03:23:34 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and so do i
03:24:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, even syntheticbird and i have been accused of being the same person
03:24:23 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont even know that fking ofrxmr guy
03:24:24 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I didnt meet him, i didnt see his phace
03:24:26 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> First time i found him was when found out how fucked up the communities situation was, and there wasnt any way for me to fix it
03:24:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I joined the dough youtube live and found someone who was against the current way of operating the project
03:24:30 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You see the thought train?
03:24:32 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Now tell me, what have you done?
03:24:35 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> luigi too
03:24:37 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Can ou see the thought train?
03:24:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Now tell me, what have you done?
03:24:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> off-topic
03:24:57 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> for the basicswapdev ccs - there was definitely a minute there where bsx devs took a long time to acknowledge / comment on the proposal (for whatever reason) . i have no idea what " i tagged plowsof, he chickened out because there wasnt any support on my part" means
03:24:59 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I thought he was the binary guy at first haha
03:26:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But i showed plowsof some of the private chats (example the tv impersonation)
03:27:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The tv impersonation really pissed tv off (at me)... fkn trolls
03:27:04 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> They were trying to ban anyone who mentioned ofrnxmr
03:27:06 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Birdie guy, two other people, rotten, and another spammer which got banned later on
03:27:08 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> After i exposed birdie
03:27:10 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I tagged you to let the community vote on his situation but you ignored the request and just followed the trend
03:27:56 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> exposed birdie for? vote on whos situation? ofrnxmrs ban?
03:28:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> THEY DELETED THE ACCOUNT OF OUR BIGGEST DONOR
03:28:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fucking broken down old pile of shit scott and his sockpuppets bots
03:28:14 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean, they would have banned you too if you were going to talk for him at that moment I got it
03:28:16 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes
03:28:42 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I did request two consecatives times on community meetings
03:29:01 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i have seen screenshots from syntheticbird to justify why he would say bsx devs did not know about the proposal.
03:29:17 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Send them here right now
03:29:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> inb4 i fabricated the screenshots
03:29:36 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh nvm -100, missed the target
03:29:39 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I want to know if ofrnxmr lied or not too
03:29:40 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Well, if they exist
03:30:09 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he and me won't send them but just for your noodle brain. The true story is that neither of us (ofrnxmr and me) lied
03:30:12 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there was a misunderstanding
03:30:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and ofrnxmr and me talked about it only very recently
03:31:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ofrnxmr drama made their lives chaotic overnight
03:31:36 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> If they have banned me on that day because of your request
03:31:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> That so called misunderstanding would have stayed as a truth till this day
03:32:06 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> so
03:32:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> At the time I was convinced ofrnxmr was a bad actor. I actually learned about ofrnxmr later on, came to appreciate him and his current work.
03:32:46 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Maybe when you are a mod
03:32:46 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You have to step up for the truth, even if it's bad for you
03:32:48 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> That you wanna imagine I was sockpuppet of sgp or someonelse is your right
03:33:10 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Again, you don't have the full story
03:33:17 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> same for the pronouns, py_verse
03:33:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You knew me before i was banned too tho 😆
03:33:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> do you know what my pronouns was before they/them ?
03:33:29 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> helicopter/attack
03:33:40 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I've been called out for it
03:33:44 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Because you have to lol
03:33:44 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The opposition lost
03:33:46 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You guys don't have any power against him
03:33:48 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You didnt have a choice
03:33:50 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and changed it
03:34:04 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Some/it
03:34:04 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Or they/them
03:34:06 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Iirc
03:34:08 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You are SO CONVINCED of being right, you refuse to give benefits of the doubt
03:34:16 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> > <@syntheticbird:monero.social> do you know what my pronouns was before they/them ?
03:34:16 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Something/it
03:34:18 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Or they/them
03:34:20 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Iirc
03:34:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i dont know _why_ you stopped dealing with me, but we used to talk on your old acct until i was banned. Then you refused to accept my dms :D
03:34:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think you said smthn about how i attacked cake (tux) for adding anti-privacy features in an update
03:34:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah because at the time idr who explained me your were someone disruptive
03:34:58 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and your heated comments under cake wallet repo didn't helped
03:35:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (wallet calls home over clearnet)
03:35:12 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Man if you knew his true nature...
03:35:44 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> py_verse are you living in the voteofrn time period?
03:35:48 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets take this fight over X
03:35:48 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Haha
03:36:10 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Nah, but I don't forget plowsof
03:36:23 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You don't move on you mean
03:36:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its still voteofrn
03:36:45 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> That blessed guy said he is going to open the discussion in the monero community right?
03:36:46 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 
03:36:48 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Are you a member there?
03:36:51 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> The big 750 member one
03:36:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Til i'm president frfr
03:37:07 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Monero Society*
03:37:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not monero community
03:37:31 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> "move on"
03:37:32 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> If you dont learn from your mistakes or forget them, you are bound to repeat them
03:37:34 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Like trusting you...
03:37:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not in mavricks group, no
03:37:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 🤷‍♂️
03:37:51 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You don't wanna admit you are wrong.
03:37:52 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Who owns the simplex one
03:37:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so sad of you
03:38:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes****
03:38:09 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Literally asked for a proof to prove me wrong
03:38:20 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> OFrnxmr and plowsof confirmed
03:38:23 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Ofrnxmr and plowsof confirmed
03:38:33 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just scroll up
03:38:39 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> im a "lier"
03:38:57 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Plowsof can show the ss
03:38:58 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> And did they deny your anti ofrnxmr activity?
03:39:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I own the monero simplex
03:39:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets make that the official monero channel
03:39:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Pre ban luigi
03:39:34 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> why would they deny my disagreement ?
03:39:41 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr confirmed it
03:39:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The 2000 member one
03:39:44 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you don't trust him
03:39:46 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you don't trust him?
03:39:48 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You are also in the mavricks group?
03:39:53 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> You?!
03:40:00 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i think py_verse and ofrnxmr need to rekindle their relationship somewhere else. the chatlog is big enough now
03:40:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It is the "official" monero simplex (cuz i say so)
03:40:02 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> well up to today, just quit it 5 hours ago
03:40:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Haha, you know when to run dont you
03:40:36 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> simplex x monero society go go go go
03:40:44 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Good for you, i got kicked because they suspected me im a bot
03:41:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://simplex.chat/contact#/?v=2-4&smp=smp%3A%2F%2FPQUV2eL0t7OStZOoAsPEV2QYWt4-xilbakvGUGOItUo%3D%40smp6.simplex.im%2Fo3W26CbJDR8abO4QG7Cvl7HM1WbKt5kO%23%2F%3Fv%3D1-2%26dh%3DMCowBQYDK2VuAyEAZLrvRhnIYDQjjyAgTnuDbZ5fhMRhA9BTBRblkqMtsQc%253D%26srv%3Dbylepyau3ty4czmn77q4fglvperknl4bi2eb2fdy2bh4jxtf32kf73yd.onion&data=%7B%22type%22%3A%22group%22%2C%22groupLinkId%22%3A%22XENmd9XeJ0rcB<clipped message>
03:41:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 900hulObg%3D%3D%22%7D
03:41:22 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you are so pitifully stereotyped
03:41:50 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> We call them normal people
03:41:50 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Not a transformer you know
03:41:56 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> At least for posterity people will read the logs and see you are in denial
03:42:30 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> phone call
03:42:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Send the screen shot lol
03:42:38 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Im not scared, i said the same thing in the first day i joined this room
03:43:38 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and again, i won't show them. You not trusting the one i was hating telling you I'm right and still asking the screenshots is being in denial
03:43:59 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This should be more than enough to at least, start doubting
03:44:07 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I can't help you
03:44:15 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Joined the group after 5 captcha tries lol
03:44:28 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> Maybe i am a bot
03:45:40 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> This is your third or fourth drama in the short 1 year time
03:45:40 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> I don't think this is the last one though
03:45:46 <m-relay> <c​larck__amberson:matrix.org> See ya later guys
03:55:18 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> "<E​rC> imagine if all you people would spend all this time contributing to monero in some ways instead of bullshitting on this chat 24/7. Maybe something would get done" #freeErC
03:56:46 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Stops people from saying "anyone here "
04:21:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm back
04:27:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He shouldn't have been banned in _all_ rooms  imo
04:58:39 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> just the ones he banned ofrn in
08:35:48 <ErCiccione> aaah so nice to turn on irc and see that the last discussion in this room was people calling each other "pedo", calling a coc "trans", insults and only personal attacks. 0 monero work
08:36:02 <ErCiccione> Thanks mod for keeping this place civil and cosntructive. You are doing a great job
08:36:38 <ErCiccione> does anyone remember when discussions here were civil and there was actually work being done?
08:51:26 <m-relay> <m​mxxx:matrix.org> I already suggested that you use other platforms in which people are more serious about the topic in hand.
09:09:37 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Aloha haveno erc20
09:21:25 <ErCiccione> Thanks for your suggestion mmxxx, but the platform itself is not really what i'm talking about here
09:22:35 <ErCiccione> and btw, before the coming of the trolls, this place was the main place where we used to organize work onMonero
09:24:18 <ErCiccione> so eyah, this used to be the serious place :P. Now i'm curious to know where the serious place to have community coordination is
09:25:02 <m-relay> <m​mxxx:matrix.org> Well those days are done. Try retroshare or lemmy or maybe one of the many twitter alternatives.
09:26:42 <ErCiccione> well, monero's lemmy is manged by the same guy who censored me everywhere and that keeps attacking me for having the wrong opinion. So not a big fan of that. I never heard of retroshare and that makes me think only a nice use it.
09:27:06 <ErCiccione> so not really great. I'll have to go outside monero channels to reach as many people as possible, since i'm censored in Monero places
09:39:03 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Plz whinge in monero-beef
09:39:27 <m-relay> <m​mxxx:matrix.org> retroshare is niche but it's where you are most likely to find to find a receptive, captive audience
09:40:52 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Avoid xmpp , you won't handle the people
09:44:45 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe try bluesky
09:49:59 <midipoet> that's a lot of backscroll
09:50:07 <midipoet> did i miss any votes?
09:50:38 <ErCiccione> yeah 3 of us voted to change name to montero. As you can imagine the quorum was reached and now we are called montero
09:52:18 <ErCiccione> btw i don't lack places where ican post, i was asking where monero people meetup nowadays.
09:52:26 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet, you just missed a guy who trolled in #cuprate, got banned, use the fact that I wanted to include a CoC to whine about le censorship. Then in hypocrisy decided to act disguise his whining in genuine concerns about ownership clarity in CCS proposals (quoting loopholes or issues (there were none)), at the end he just wanted to justify bringing his twitter friends to make th<clipped messa
09:52:26 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> e next ccs meeting a shitshow during a vote of a useless rule.
09:52:52 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc twisting history again. wasnt banned for "the wrong opinions" but for trolling for hours on end.
09:53:08 <ErCiccione> you tried to introduced a coc? How are you not crucified in the public square yet?
09:53:19 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> harassing, cry bullying, etc
09:53:34 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Playing the victim
09:53:41 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ErCiccione, i have ofrnxmr approval on the text time 😉
09:53:49 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> erc its very different if you want to introduce a CoC for everyone vs for your own project
09:53:51 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> this time*
09:53:52 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Bitch in offtopic
09:54:16 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont think anyone complained about the haveno CoC
09:54:31 <midipoet> the CoC was just CoC signalling, it wasn't serious
09:54:39 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> nobody wants a monero coc though
09:54:47 <ErCiccione> lol s​yntheticbird. look forward to it. My coc was a trimmed down copy of the contributor covenant. Do you have al ink to yours?
09:54:47 <midipoet> even if it was serious, nobody would pay attention to it, not even the mods
09:55:19 <ErCiccione> yeah. No point in a coc if there is nobody to enforce it
09:55:55 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> we should really enforce more, true. can anyone ban erc from irc now?
09:56:07 <midipoet> what for?
09:56:15 <ErCiccione> lol. monerostalin is upset people are not censoring from here too :P
09:56:19 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> ban evasion
09:56:35 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> he is asking for more enforcement
09:56:44 <midipoet> i always thought IRC was a the parent room and matrix the children rooms
09:56:55 <midipoet> in terms of hierarchy, not participants
09:56:55 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> start with yourself and remove yourself from the monero channels :)
09:57:11 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> nah
09:57:22 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> you IRC boomers tell that shit to yourself <3
09:57:36 <midipoet> ha
09:58:02 <ErCiccione> note. He arrived many years after when matrix channels where already created and operational. He has no idea how things were working before midipoet
09:58:35 <midipoet> i get that. but if the relay bot stopped working, where would all the meetings happen, do you think?
09:58:42 <midipoet> my bet IRC
09:58:52 <midipoet> but i could be wholly incorrect on that
09:58:55 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont care how you boomers communicated on IRC in 2014
09:59:03 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> the boomer meetings maybe
09:59:12 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> but the community meeting would be here for sure
09:59:34 <midipoet> which are the boomer meetings?
09:59:47 <ErCiccione> i guess he means the meetings of the people who built monero
10:00:04 <midipoet> don't be silly. they're not important!
10:00:08 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah, MRL for example
10:00:49 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> im not saying they arent important
10:01:01 <ErCiccione> eehm what? :P mrl was meetring on irc way longer before they started meetings on matrix
10:01:07 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> just that they cling to a dinosaur protocol :P
10:01:26 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> im not saying they have to switch
10:01:50 <ErCiccione> it is centralized, but here i'm not banned from power tripping mods yet.
10:01:51 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> but i definitely am allowed to poke some light fun at them lol
10:01:59 <midipoet> next you'll be saying C++ is for the boomers
10:02:04 <ErCiccione> lol
10:02:13 <midipoet> and the zoomers all want Rust ;-)
10:02:16 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes, thats why all our new stuff is built in rust ;)
10:02:25 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> cuprate, arti, serai
10:03:00 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> that being said, boomers, please keep maintaining the C++ node
10:03:22 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> will be nice to finally have 2 different implementations at once
10:04:32 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> btw to the people who are used to chains with multiple node implementations, do you run multiple nodes? id probably run cuprated and monerod
10:04:45 <midipoet> didn't someone make a python implementation once (or maybe it was Go)
10:05:08 <ErCiccione> yeah different implementations have been worked on and abandoned during the years
10:05:13 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> someone once built an entire monero-btc atomic swap exchange in the webbrowser
10:05:42 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> this was right after the last hardfork which they didnt know about
10:05:53 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> after people got stuck on that, he just vanished
10:06:14 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> had an orderbook and everything
10:06:16 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> A fork was once rewritten in Go, Dero
10:06:32 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> ew
10:06:36 <midipoet> yeah. fucking zoomers
10:06:42 <midipoet> what the fuck do they know
10:07:36 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> certainly not how to use irc
10:08:41 <ErCiccione> yeah, they build these things for free with old technologies! Terrible people
10:10:51 <ErCiccione> changing subject. During these years mostly away from crypto i became convinced that the problem of the lack of quality in the space is related to the fact that these technologies (crypto) can be used to speculate
10:11:18 <ErCiccione> that kinda makes harder to work on the technology itself, because when profits get in the way, people's interests changes
10:11:58 <ErCiccione> what i mean is that i think that as long as there is speculation, cryptocurrencies will always be tasty for speculators
10:12:46 <ErCiccione> I thought about the solution for this, and the only thing i can think of is a private stablecoin in theory. So, speculation is mostly cut out and the technological benefits would be the max for who wants to transact privately
10:13:18 <ErCiccione> Any opinion about this? I thibnk this issue is fundamental for crypto to survive and not only become a toy of turbocapitalists
10:13:49 <ErCiccione> i know there are a lot of anarcho-capitalists here that will disagree with me, so i'm mostly interested in the opinion of somebody who doesn't have that mindset
10:14:23 <midipoet> surely there is a "private stablecoin" already?
10:14:52 <ErCiccione> see for example vitalik selling all his eth, becusae he claimed he cannot be impartial if he has an economic interest in the project. That's a great point imo
10:15:02 <ErCiccione> midipoet don't know really. Mine is more a teoretical uestion
10:16:08 <ErCiccione> my point is basically that by removing speculation, the entire mindset of the people working on the project would be different
10:16:36 <ErCiccione> because people are not pushed to shill to pump their bags, because their bags won't pump. Just for an example
10:24:00 <ErCiccione> just did a quick research and couldn't find any project doing something like that.  Makes sense, technically wouldn't be easy. And the lack of scripting capabilities in Monero and other private projects don't simplify things
10:24:33 <midipoet> with a 'privacy stablecoin', contributors would be pushing for "adoption" just as much though, which is also an economic incentive. the "company/project" would collect fees, invest capital, try and generate profit, etc. 
10:26:27 <ErCiccione> why is adoption an economic incentive? I see the push for adoption in this case as good, because it's not related to the value of somebody's bag increasing
10:26:46 <ErCiccione> also i don't think the "company/project" would need to do any of that. Exactly as monero didn't
10:27:08 <ErCiccione> we went on building for many years basically working for free
10:27:34 <ErCiccione> now there is a ccs for everything, but that's just the symptom of things changing inside the community more than a universal law
10:31:47 <ErCiccione> maybe we just need another church of monero. Where is xeagu when we need him? :P those were crazy times
10:33:22 <ErCiccione> for anyone has missed this piece of history of Monero: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/asqrbu/church_of_monero_enough_is_enough_how_the_leader/
10:33:43 <ErCiccione> so yes, we actually had a "church of monero" for some time :P
10:35:40 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> #monero-offtopic
10:37:09 <ErCiccione> i'm pretty sure monero and monero's history are on topic here. Try to get rid of me some other way lol. Maybe a poll?
10:39:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fkn noob
10:39:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> never heard of haven, zano, or the many other stable shitcoins
10:40:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "<E​rCiccione> I thought about the solution for this, and the only thing i can think of is a private stablecoin in theory. So, speculation is mostly cut out and the technological benefits would be the max for who wants to transact privately"
10:40:26 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro is still traumatized from haveno ccs price dip
10:41:13 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Stablecoins are cancer. Why would anyone want a coin BASED ON a central banks issuance?
10:41:23 <ErCiccione> I'd like to point out once again who is provoking who here. :)
10:42:00 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Troll
10:42:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Acting like money printing from the fed is "stable" just shows that youre insane.
10:42:54 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Erc seems like a "why me person"
10:42:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, provoking your brain to turn on before posting
10:42:59 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Or snow flake
10:43:00 <ErCiccione> there we are. Personal attacks for an opinion they don't like
10:43:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Seriously, how have you never heard of haven or zephyr
10:43:22 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Poor victim
10:43:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Are you living under a rock?
10:43:32 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Btc rock
10:43:57 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Stable rock
10:44:43 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> We almost got a haveno app
10:44:58 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Not like a nginx front end
10:45:04 <ErCiccione> so, offences aside i'll be curious to know other people's opinion, not that i expect many contributions if this is how things work here
10:45:13 <midipoet> ofrnxmr: zano and haven aren't stable coins?
10:45:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> zano isnt, haven is (rip haven via inflation bug)
10:45:51 <midipoet> so why did you say zano was?
10:45:58 <ErCiccione> "provoking your brain to turn on before posting" lol
10:46:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Zephyr is too (also had inflation bug)
10:46:01 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> What about firo ?
10:46:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I said zephyr ...
10:46:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh shit, sorry midi. i mistyped
10:46:44 <ErCiccione> lmao
10:46:48 <midipoet> haven doesn't seem to be either - from what i understand it just allows you to lock up your XHV and get some other type of asset for it
10:46:59 <midipoet> but the price of XHV is volatile
10:47:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> XUSD is the entire purpose of haven
10:47:11 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Haven, never had the success it deserved despite being loved
10:47:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Don't get me wrong I'm against stable coin
10:48:10 <ErCiccione> The discussion is going a bit ot.
10:49:43 <ErCiccione> my question was not about other stablecoins, but rather about what people think about the inpact of speculation on a project and his potential
10:49:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> it was off topic the moment you mentioned private stablecoins as the topic
10:50:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fkn troll ass
10:50:13 <ErCiccione> the usual insults arrived, so now i'm looking forward to what other thinl
10:50:49 <ErCiccione> *think
10:50:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> OFFTOPIC
10:51:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #monero-offtopic
10:51:33 <ErCiccione> This is about Monero. it's not off topic.
10:51:43 <ErCiccione> try censoring me with a poll. It worked the last time
10:51:58 <midipoet> anyway, i still want to know whether there is there a privacy orientated stable coin or not!? ofrnxmr says there are two
10:52:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Zephyr etc and a private stable coin is on topic? Bullshit
10:52:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Midipoet, havenproject.org < haven is dead due to an inflation bug
10:52:43 <midipoet> right, so it's dead
10:52:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Zephyr also had the same inflation bug, but they didnt shut down
10:53:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ...Still offtopic
10:53:38 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> This is community, not vomit talking
10:54:16 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> We can talk about haveno front end if you want ?
10:54:23 <ErCiccione> is there a room where people can talk about Monero seriously without all this noise and low quality conversation?
10:54:28 <ErCiccione> 3​21bob321: sure, let's
10:55:28 <ErCiccione> any qyestion you want me to answer to?
10:55:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> erciccione, go to monero-offtopic and ping juliu
10:56:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (re private stablecoins)
10:56:20 <ErCiccione> lol
10:57:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I don't see what's so funny
10:59:03 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> How come it was submitted and approved before the backend was done ?
11:00:33 <ErCiccione> i'm not sure what's the point of this question, but the backend of haveno have been worked on for two years before we submitted the request for the new ui. The plan was to build both ui and backedn at the same time and that's what we were doing
11:00:51 <ErCiccione> so to have a working platform as soon as possible and hopefully soon after a working ui
11:01:26 <ErCiccione> any other question?
11:04:04 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> So the back end was done first ?
11:04:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> frontend was supposed to be finished in 4-6 months, yet the backend took 2 more years. You had claimed that the new frontend was a requirement / old frontend wasnt viable, yet here we are today. Old frontend working fine.
11:05:43 <ErCiccione> no, the backend wasn't ready 3​21bob321.As i was saying, the idea was to work on both of them at the same time, as we did for a bit
11:05:55 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> So what was the new front end money used for ?
11:06:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> when you say "we", what did you do for the backend?
11:07:43 <ErCiccione> 3​21bob321: the payouts that we got from the ccs were immediately paid to the UI devs (accounting is all in detail on haveno's repos the other money are still in the ccs afaik, except for the 11k that you were scammed of
11:08:50 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> So ui was done ?
11:09:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Partially
11:10:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/haveno-dex/haveno-ui
11:10:24 <ErCiccione> o​frnxmr: For an easy overview you can see my commits on the haveno repo for direct work, devops and everything  else i did. I also organized and documented the deployment, docs, managed the entire infrastructure, bug triage, etc
11:11:35 <ErCiccione> so, yeah. Trying to trivialise my contribution to haveno is a bit stupid :)
11:11:51 <ErCiccione> beside literally coming up with it and working on the trade protocol for like a year
11:12:00 <ErCiccione> so, next question?
11:14:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You never transferred #haveno irc channel ownership. Wen
11:14:56 <ErCiccione> let me check that out
11:15:44 <m-relay> <q​8monero:matrix.org> hello :)
11:15:45 <m-relay> <q​8monero:matrix.org> hey :)
11:16:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> hi :)
11:17:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 👋 :)
11:17:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> . :)
11:17:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> :)
11:17:25 <ErCiccione> o​frnxmr: apparently you were right. I might have forgot about irc powers in that room. I'm notgoing to contribute to haveno and i have no interest in being in that channel. So i remove my powers and gave them to selsta, midipoet and geonic
11:17:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> )
11:18:01 <m-relay> <q​8monero:matrix.org> am a newbie friends, so can i ask some basic question regarding mining ? i have to say it was very hard getting here in the first place
11:18:07 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Midipoet and geonic? Lmao tf?
11:18:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Give to plowsof
11:18:35 <selsta> Haveno channel? I don't read that channel actively at the moment, maybe plowsof would be better.
11:19:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes. Plowsof owns haveno-development
11:19:13 <ErCiccione> i gave powers to the people i saw in that room that i know are trustworty. My point was just to remove my op
11:19:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (with woodsers blessing)
11:19:21 <m-relay> <q​8monero:matrix.org> what is the official irc channel and server does the community connects to ?
11:19:39 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Hi there, this is the wrong channel. Please go over #monero
11:19:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> libera.chat
11:20:26 <m-relay> <q​8monero:matrix.org> thanks :)
11:20:38 <ErCiccione> so again, feel free to give powers to whom you want. Not my business really :)
11:33:53 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> it didnt deserve any success, their stablecoin depegged
11:35:26 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> >gave them to selsta, midipoet and geonic
11:35:26 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao
11:35:29 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> > gave them to selsta, midipoet and geonic
11:35:30 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao
11:35:34 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> > gave them to selsta, midipoet and geonic 
11:35:36 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao
11:36:20 <midipoet> Zepher also seems dead
11:37:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> why do you say that
11:39:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> nvm. Dont answer that. Offtopic
11:39:15 <midipoet> I looked up their ZSD (the stable coin) it seems pretty dead  
11:39:18 <midipoet> https://coinranking.com/coin/QX04deiTF+zephyrstabledollar-zsd
11:39:27 <midipoet> Maybe it's just not listed anywhere meaningful 
11:39:35 <midipoet> And has depegged from 1USD
11:39:37 <ErCiccione> github pretty much dead too
11:40:54 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> idk. they put efforts into it.
11:41:04 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not very useful but still some efforts
11:41:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Trash
11:41:24 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> zephyr was a scam
11:41:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The tokenomics were always trash
11:41:40 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> most likely the exploit was by an insider
11:41:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Haven died twice now, and zephyr is just a haven fork
11:41:52 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> they minted like 16 million zeph which is much more than the total supply
11:42:06 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> LMAO
11:42:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And like 400b haven
11:42:16 <ErCiccione> what is that Djed protocol  they talk about? docs seem dead
11:42:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Offtopic
11:42:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ask juliu
11:43:13 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I miss Juliu
11:44:45 <m-relay> <i​nit00x:monero.social> do you guys know where supportxmr pool operators usually chat?
11:45:08 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> dontasktoask.com
11:45:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why, whats up?
11:45:22 <ErCiccione> the protocol: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10174901 but they don't seem to mention how that would work with the privacy aspect, which is a red flag already imo
11:45:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #monero-offtopic erc
11:46:07 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i would be curious too
11:46:14 <m-relay> <i​nit00x:monero.social> I send an email  to them but still no respond  for like a week
11:50:06 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont think ive ever seen a pool operator other than xmrvsbeast around the community
11:53:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Supportxmr is around
11:55:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You can try reposting on #monero-mining:monero.social
11:55:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'll fwd msg anyway
11:57:36 <m-relay> <q​8monero:matrix.org> this room does not exist
11:58:11 <m-relay> <q​8monero:matrix.org> you recommend mining there ?
11:58:36 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> xmrvsbeast shut down their pool and is now giving away hashrate to p2pool miners
11:59:02 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://monero.town/c/xmrvsbeast
11:59:39 <ErCiccione> what's the hashrate distribution in pools currently?
12:02:33 <ErCiccione> nvm found it https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
12:13:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> waaat
12:28:02 <m-relay> <q​8monero:matrix.org> :)
18:11:25 <NorrinRadd> monerobull > 1 implementation has its pros and cons. 1) there is the risk of net splits but 2) if there is a bug, it's less likely it's going to hit every node