00:10:02 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> plowsof: The next meeting is july 10th? 00:12:37 <plowsof> 15th March https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1169 00:12:56 <plowsof> are we adding cuprate grinding your gears to the agenda still sir? 00:18:58 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I think the room topic bugged 00:19:08 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> how? 00:19:22 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It used to say "check meta for schedule" 00:19:30 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Now it says july 10 00:19:36 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> true 00:20:13 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> mhm, the only solution is to take over USA and use all the resource of the FBI to locate monero.social instance. Once we locate it we will use an army of expert to repair the database 00:20:34 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Our therapist says its ok to talk to ourself when lonely 00:20:53 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> im never alone 00:21:18 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> me too 00:24:58 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> We never stand alone 00:25:12 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> yep 00:26:20 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> plowsof: 00:26:20 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> can you add the CCS Ownership loophole to the agenda? 00:27:26 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> As in who owns CCS ? 00:27:35 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> That's core 00:28:20 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> im just going to talk about another clause to the CCS rules 00:30:10 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> Requesters must clarify the ownership/stockholders of the project for which they are asking for funds 00:30:23 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> thx plowsof 00:31:44 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> i and ofrnxmr own the CCS 00:32:30 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> I was paid to provide code, if I was paid to be the sole maintainer you would have a point. 00:32:44 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> plowsof: is there interest in an animated educational video about carrot? 00:33:03 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> the code exists not matter whose name is on the org 00:33:36 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> the code exists no matter whose name is on the org 00:33:58 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> long live CCS FOSS license rule 00:34:17 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> x3nu i mean _i_ thought there would be, i suggested one but this team didnt get much (if any) positive feedback https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/506 00:34:36 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> he is just mad he is (very rightly) banned from #cuprate:monero.social. 00:34:54 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Commie /s 00:35:00 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> well i think having an educational video about the hardfork is 100% needed as it is a very big update 00:36:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Explain this loophole 00:36:29 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> i agree 00:36:42 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> " - ownership loophole" is a pretty garbage water excuse for an agenda item 00:36:52 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> I saw the carrot animated video proposal but didn't updooted it because I was lazy, kinda regret now that it has been closed 00:37:00 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> Synbhebird (Crodyceps infected 🍄☣️): owns my CCSes as an owner of the Cuprate org, obviously ofrnxmr. 00:37:31 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i thought i co-owned them? 00:37:36 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> rectification: I own boog900 00:38:03 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> I am both owner and co-owner 00:38:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate isnt a monero-project project. You can cry harder about whatever they choose to do, or fork the project 00:38:39 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> but then how is he going to force us to not add a CoC and unban him?!? 00:38:44 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> well the guy who proposed it wasn't that good lol 00:38:58 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> We paid you too work on a project 00:38:58 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> we did trust you to get your money and do your job as a dev, simple as that 00:39:00 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> but what if lets say, cuprate has 10 other unknown owners and their interests are in conflict with the one community had in mind when donated to you? 00:39:12 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> fork it my guy. 00:39:25 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> the code it did will still be there 00:39:26 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Or gal 00:39:33 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> the code I did will still be there 00:39:39 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Or somewhere inbetween. we dont assume genders here 00:39:52 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> i only see humans 00:39:55 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> blessed_mind: is very anti LGBTQ++++ 00:40:17 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> very anti a lot of things tbf 00:40:21 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> stop spamming ffs guys 00:40:22 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so that means he's a furry? 00:40:44 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> are there any point in discussing this right now? 00:40:44 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> or we should wait for Community meeting? 00:40:48 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 🐈️ 00:41:11 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> What for? Its not a community issue 00:41:33 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its a "you" problem bro 00:41:35 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Deal w it 00:41:47 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: 00:41:48 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> all im saying is, if you are asking for a CCS, own the project, or clarify the ownership of the project from the start 00:41:50 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> i dont get your opposition the this 00:41:53 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Your meeting is right now. Wassup 00:42:01 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> lmao 00:42:08 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> thats why im saying 00:42:08 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> lets vote on that 00:42:47 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Up to there there has been no violation from Cuprate to your proposed rule. Try harder 00:42:54 <dukenukem> go to bed. 00:43:12 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No. You dont have to own a project to be funded to work on one 00:43:12 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: none of the monerod devs own monero 00:43:15 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> did i say cuprate? 00:43:26 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> ^ 00:43:27 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> yes 00:43:29 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> im saying we need to to add a rule 00:43:43 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> why add a rule for a non-existent issue ? 00:43:44 <dukenukem> hey blessed, make me a sandwich. 00:43:49 <dukenukem> I'm hungry. 00:43:59 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem can i do it for you? 00:44:10 <dukenukem> no, you need to go to bed. it's past your time. 00:44:18 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> alr alr 00:44:28 <dukenukem> meooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. 00:44:34 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> puuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 00:44:42 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> What rule? 00:44:57 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> oh god not this guy 00:45:09 <dukenukem> callate puto baboso. 00:45:09 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> x3nu: ssssshhhhhhhhh stop spoilin the movie 00:45:14 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> thats a separate topic 00:45:14 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> so, 00:45:16 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> there are two topics: 00:45:18 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> 1-Adding a rule for Clarification of the ownership of the projects 00:45:20 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> 2-Cuprate's situation 00:45:22 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> they are separate 00:45:24 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> i will inv tux, doug, mavric, alice and other active members on the X on the meeting day 00:45:26 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the ownership of cuprate is RTFL 00:45:28 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> oye 00:45:30 <dukenukem> lol 00:45:35 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> señor rueda 00:45:40 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> come mierda 00:45:41 <dukenukem> que quieres joto. 00:45:44 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Who the fuck is alice 00:45:45 <dukenukem> no u. 00:45:58 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> an alt he created 3 days ago 00:46:00 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> XmrBazaar 00:46:09 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I'll invite Jeff, Steve and Sally 00:46:17 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> please do 00:46:21 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> AilliA ?? Lol 00:46:21 <dukenukem> I'll invite ur mum. 00:46:31 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> yes, mb 00:46:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Since when is her name alice? 00:46:50 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro called her alive 00:46:54 <NorrinRadd> lordx3nu sounds good to me 00:46:56 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> keep it respetful 00:47:16 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> lol 00:47:32 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> plowsof: 00:47:32 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> so we have this on agenda? 00:47:34 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> plowsof: 00:47:36 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> so do we have this on agenda? 00:47:38 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Im going to invite powsolf, buger650, hanto, and zenu 00:47:46 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No 00:47:56 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Stop wasting out time 00:47:58 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> no mum jokes, that is crossing a line! 00:48:08 <dukenukem> how about you post a comment in the issue on github instead of getting the attention your attention whore ass is seeking in here, huh_ 00:48:11 <dukenukem> ? 00:48:15 <dukenukem> boog900 no u! 00:48:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Go learn how foss works. If you want to contribute, open a pr 00:48:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 00:48:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Since when did you become so retarded bro? 00:48:42 <dukenukem> who the fuck is Clarck Amberson? 00:48:52 <dukenukem> how many kewbits are we talking to right now? 00:49:06 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> This synthetic fuker tried to ban me for defending you to get you unbanned when you were not here 00:49:10 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> At least 10yrs ago 00:49:20 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> bruh 00:49:24 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> I don't even remember you 00:49:29 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> He called basicawap scam 00:49:31 <dukenukem> Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. 00:49:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro i remember, but i dont hold grudges 00:49:40 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> interesting 00:49:43 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> And you a con artist 00:49:47 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ppl accused py of being me 00:49:59 <dukenukem> I'm actually tacotime. 00:50:02 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> at the very least, Dont suck his balls 00:50:09 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> OOOOoooooooooooooh 00:50:12 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> lol 00:50:14 <dukenukem> What is wrong with sucking a guy's balls? 00:50:21 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> >tacotime 00:50:22 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Haha 00:50:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont suck nobodies balls 00:50:26 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> yeah that was some time ago thx for the refresh ofrnxmr 00:50:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes, they said ik your alt 00:50:36 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes, they said im your alt 00:51:02 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> oye rueda, eres ilegal? 00:51:11 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Stop the trolling and let them vote on the meeting day 00:51:20 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Btw love you xeno 00:51:23 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Great videos 00:51:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This is abt blessed trying to turn community meeting into a ban appear about being anti lbgtq in a non-monero-project room 00:51:35 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> thanks! 00:51:37 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Didnt know you were active here 00:51:38 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Appeal* 00:51:49 <dukenukem> lordx3nu no puto. 00:52:01 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> i dont want to ban anyone 00:52:06 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> x3nu: elected most loved member in 2025 00:52:07 <dukenukem> I'll ban ur mum. 00:52:14 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you are in competition with SNeedlewoods 00:52:14 <dukenukem> syntheticbird fake news. 00:52:20 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Community meetings arent about what goes on in internally with other projects 00:52:23 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> hehe i'm an influencer now 00:52:23 <dukenukem> syntheticbird fake news. 00:52:33 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You are banned*. Didnt say you wanted to ban anyone 00:52:44 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem probably im playing pokemon STOP HARASSING ME 00:52:49 <dukenukem> lol 00:53:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the only troll is blessed 00:53:04 <dukenukem> syntheticbird y r u like dis bb? 00:53:21 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem idk bb you make me laugh 00:53:36 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Fuck him, but suddenly got flashbacks 00:53:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> This was exactly me trying to unban you 00:53:40 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> 10 people are spamming and attacking and making fun of me 00:53:42 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Let the guy talk, we vote, if it passes then thats what the community wants, if not then by by 00:53:44 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Why humiliate the community members? 00:53:46 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> ok no sry i can't 00:53:48 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm being very serious that blessed clearly doesnt understand how a foss license works, or controls that community has over a ccs 00:53:50 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> the bb was cringe im sry 00:54:03 <dukenukem> you homosexual. 00:54:07 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> when is the vote? 00:54:12 <dukenukem> right now. 00:54:26 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> what is my competition 00:54:28 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> _its not a community problem_ 00:54:30 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> 10 seconds ago with all my mates in my room 00:54:32 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> we were approximetaly 380 00:54:54 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its blessed problem with cuprate. Cuprate _devs_ have ccs's. Cuprate itself does not 00:55:16 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate is not under monero-project banner, ans is not subject to monero-project standards 00:55:22 <dukenukem> syntheticbird what's the unbiased, unfiltered version of whatever is going on? 00:55:29 <dukenukem> is blessed qtip? 00:55:53 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> blessed saw a CoC getting added to cuprate and then exploded in #cuprate:monero.social 00:55:59 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem ofrnxmr is right. blessed_mind came to discuss CoC and he was trolling, got banned and now is seething about. wanna use le ownership with CCS argument to try to appeal 00:56:02 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> blessed_mind if the same people here attend the meeting they will likely have the same questions. for cuprate situation, boog900 clarified the ownership of cuprate org, would you like them (or other cuprate contributors to state this in their ccs?) - what seems to be missing is where is the problem - or when/where can this cause a problem? so cuprate is "owned" by someone who has <clipped message> 00:56:04 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> proposed a code of conduct which you are against. There will never be a monero-project owner funded by the CCS.. the closest thing to that would be the core team who are voluntary 00:56:06 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The vote about project ownership is alsp nonsense. Every ccs dev project must be permissively licensed 00:56:06 <dukenukem> ah... the CoC thing... 00:56:08 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> he had to stop the wokies 00:56:29 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate CoC isnt a license. If you dont like it, fork cuprate and remove it 00:56:36 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> you are taling about the second issue 00:56:36 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> im talking about the first one 00:56:38 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> btw 00:56:40 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> if community decides to officially replace the monerod with cuprate 00:56:42 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> are we going to give it to the trusted maintainers such as current monerod maintainers or synthetic will stay in full power until the very end? 00:57:12 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofrnxmr, me and majority are against the wokies taking the mod roles though 00:57:27 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> so am I go read his arguments. 00:57:31 <dukenukem> Alex Jones needs to take a couple xanny bars it'd seem... 00:57:34 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Maybe shut up before saying shit 00:57:50 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> there will always be a monerod and cuprate - multiple implementations are better for the network - i doubt monerod will cease to exist 00:57:57 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> \> \* disagree \* 00:58:01 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> \> "shit" 00:58:42 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> if its going to be one of the official clinets endorsed by the core 00:58:42 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> shouldn't we let the core stay at the top, not some random dev? (he can get the money and develop though) 00:58:59 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> if is false. thx you goodbye 00:59:07 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You are scared ro through anything now huh? 00:59:15 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> if community (monero-project) decides to adopt cuprate, and doesnt like synthetic bird in control.. yknow what happens right?? We fork it! 01:00:01 <NorrinRadd> pretty much 01:00:03 <dukenukem> CoCs are ghey, though. 01:00:10 <NorrinRadd> or fork the comms channel 01:00:12 <dukenukem> Very, while at it. 01:00:21 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> thats literally what im saying 01:00:22 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> who is "we" that is going to decide on forking it or not? 01:00:24 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> does community has any say in this? 01:00:26 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> thats the whole proposed agenda 01:00:28 <m-relay> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> can we call the fork xenubucks 01:00:31 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> bait harder 01:00:45 <dukenukem> wtf are all these plebs replying to? 01:00:53 <NorrinRadd> we is we. it always has been 01:00:54 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprated proposed CoC is the ruby CoC. Very basic and reasonable 01:00:54 <dukenukem> no quotes get bridged, rookies. 01:01:02 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> bro is transforming a button on github in a "community agenda" 01:01:03 <NorrinRadd> anyone is welcome in #monero-dev and can contribute 01:01:04 <dukenukem> I am the Monero Community. 01:01:16 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> matrix reply / quotes not making it to irc 01:01:23 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, anybody can fork it at any time. 01:01:26 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> yeah sry irc 01:01:43 <dukenukem> Mmmmeeeeeeooooooooowwwwwww. 01:01:56 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Y 01:01:56 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Failed last time trying to introduce that cursed coc 01:01:58 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Thankfully ofrnxmr fked you before hijacking the project 01:02:00 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Now trying a different approach huh 01:02:02 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I did see you even tried to get simplex on that woke fuckhole bluesky but got rejected 01:02:04 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem im not gonna purrrr endlessly 01:02:06 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You are a cancer to this community 01:02:08 <dukenukem> Can we all disperse and keep fucking ourselves or we need to waste more time on this? 01:02:18 <dukenukem> syntheticbird Idgaf bitch. 01:02:21 <dukenukem> Mmmmeeeeeeooooooooowwwwwww. 01:02:23 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> TIL the last part? 01:02:24 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> which one is going to be the official one? 01:02:53 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Dont dodge it little tranny 01:02:58 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> lie harder py_verse 01:03:00 <dukenukem> bruh, cuprate isn't even launched yet and you are already assuming it's competing with monerod. 01:03:06 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> one can dream I was trans 01:03:11 <dukenukem> get some xanax bars and go take some fresh air. 01:03:15 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Or when you were fighting how trannys were good for projects but firefox drama happened 01:03:21 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You are a psyop 01:03:29 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> multiple implementations of monerod does not mean all nodes will be cuprated 01:03:30 <dukenukem> ur mum is a psyop. 01:03:33 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Pushing that woke agenda on monero 01:03:43 <dukenukem> syntheticbird are you woke? 01:03:43 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> LMAO 01:03:49 <NorrinRadd> official one == the one devs decide to publish 01:03:49 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you have invented 4 things but ok 01:04:01 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> "Which one is the official one, which one will be endorsed by the core"? 01:04:10 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> dukenukem I'm not asleep 01:04:22 <dukenukem> syntheticbird -__-" 01:04:26 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> github.com/monero-project/monero is the reference implementation (node/wallet) 01:04:29 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> the one that we pay the devs to push 01:04:36 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> and we the community 01:04:55 <dukenukem> "we" bruv must've sent 0.00001 XMR once to a CCS. 01:05:04 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> are going to select one or two to focus our time and money 01:05:18 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> # our 01:05:23 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> lmao 01:05:27 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> more than 300 till now 01:05:27 <dukenukem> you keep counting the chicken before they are even born. 01:05:37 <NorrinRadd> "focus money on" that's what the weekly meeting here is for 01:05:38 <dukenukem> are you ghey? 01:05:48 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> how much you donated to the project? 01:05:54 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> muted troll 01:05:57 <NorrinRadd> "will encorsed by the core" -- the one that they choose to endorse 01:05:59 <dukenukem> oh no!!! 01:06:04 <dukenukem> what am I gonna do naooo! 01:06:13 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you cant mute m-relay.. 01:06:29 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cant mute a single user on m-relay.. Thats a bridge 01:06:35 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> yep, sadly 01:06:36 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> its the thought that counts, but yeah 01:06:40 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> damn what about free speech!! 01:06:44 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Where is mod? 01:06:48 <dukenukem> lol 01:06:51 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> or are you a wokie too? 01:06:53 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> personal mute? 01:06:54 <dukenukem> I am the moderator. 01:07:03 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof is mod 01:07:06 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> sounds woke to me 01:07:30 <dukenukem> Noooooo!!!!! woke woke woke, hey dick, stfu! Wow, you're rude. Muted, troll. 01:07:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Chewbaucha 01:07:37 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> this channel is so fucked 01:07:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Stop the fucking spam 01:07:40 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Go to off topic 01:07:42 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Duken you son of a ... 01:07:44 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> blessed_mind is currently moderating this meeting 01:07:45 <dukenukem> lmao. 01:08:21 <dukenukem> Never a dull day in the honorable Monero community! 01:08:21 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Fking 15 yo bastard 01:08:22 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Fk off the keyboard and let them talk 01:08:26 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> This is the official channel 01:08:37 <dukenukem> There are no "official channels", Mr. Clarck Dickerson. 01:08:38 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> py_verse: mind lying harder again, it make me laugh 01:08:40 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Where are the mods? 01:08:48 <dukenukem> I already told you I am the moderator. 01:08:54 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, duke is pretty fkn annoying with the shitposting bullshit 01:08:56 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Thats what your mom said 01:09:01 <dukenukem> no urs. 01:09:11 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Let me kiss your forehead 01:09:16 <dukenukem> cum here bb. 01:09:20 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> are there any more questions for/from blessed_mind 01:09:36 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> Are you going to add it or not 01:09:44 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> lost the plot with these spams 01:09:59 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Your meeting is right now 01:10:11 <dukenukem> the coordinator has spoken. 01:10:12 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Let plowsof answer 01:10:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I'd appreciate if the shitposting stopped, so we could have a real discussion with blessed about his issue 01:10:46 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> the meeting is right now. 01:10:52 <dukenukem> the coordinator has spoken. 01:10:59 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Finally, ofrnxmr is going to take over the world part 4(ok i stop) 01:12:01 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> surprisingly i'll be for it. 01:12:05 <NorrinRadd> "going to add it or not" -- sounds like a no to me dawgg 01:12:17 <nioc> Does the coc allow furries because I spend most of my day with them 01:12:26 <dukenukem> nioc: human or animal? 01:12:33 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Blessed _best_ chance to be heard, is right now. Stage is all yours 01:12:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Two faced clown 01:12:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You dont have any other choice, you have ccs on waiting lol 01:12:47 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> bait harder 01:13:02 <nioc> dukenukem: humans are animals 01:13:22 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> i want to inv other people's as well, lets wait for the meeting 01:13:22 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> i said what i need to say, let people vote 01:13:29 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> oh btw py_verse feel free to shit on me outside of cuprate I won't ban you on #cuprate for it, unless you do it in #cuprate channel 01:13:42 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I vote yes and ofrnxmr will also vote yes after i pay him enough 01:13:57 <dukenukem> this is fucking bullshit. lol and monero.town is still running behind Cuckfare, I mean, Cloudfare. https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/04/cloudflare_blocking_niche_browsers/ 01:14:06 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Youll insta ban me im sure lol 01:14:06 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Thats what you are 01:14:08 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> A woke bastard 01:14:21 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Dougs opinion isnt needed, nor is tux' 01:14:31 <NorrinRadd> they won't come 01:14:34 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And aillia has nothing to do with any of this 01:14:44 <NorrinRadd> he can't be 1 of us if he doesn't know they dont attend ish 01:14:55 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> so my understanding is, cuprate dev work is ccs sponsored - the owners of cuprate are introducing a code of conduct (link?) - blessed_mind does not feel that the cuprate org owners should be allowed to do this without permission of monero-project core team . the CCS rules should require monero-core (or approved persons to have ownership over said ccs projects 01:14:57 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> so, community is also a group of selected people you like? 01:15:04 <nioc> Doug is never here, even when it involves him 01:15:14 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof, CoC is rubys 01:15:38 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/conduct/ 01:15:44 <NorrinRadd> the fact he doesn't know that shows it's an outsider 01:15:51 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof: https://github.com/Cuprate/cuprate/issues/390 01:15:52 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> It's a draft adapted from Ruby CoC 01:16:02 <dukenukem> plowsof https://github.com/Cuprate/cuprate/issues/390 01:16:07 <NorrinRadd> some type of X only member 01:16:29 <dukenukem> anyways, who's got the crack? 01:16:30 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its the active participants, not the "show up once every 4 years because called to defend spmeone" group 01:16:46 <NorrinRadd> a social media community member 01:16:49 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> NorrinRadd, his opinions are too weak on an international network, he needs to take refuge with his echo chamber you gotta understand 01:16:59 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> the second part is correct 01:17:00 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> about the first part 01:17:02 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> no, cuprate and sytheticbird are free to do anything, its their project 01:17:04 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> i said, boog didnt mention sythetic is the owner of the project when he asked for funds in CCS (intentionally or not) 01:17:06 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> but if someday, core decides to officially endorse the cuprate, they should take over the ownership of the project 01:17:08 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> because we trust the core not the dev and Unelected troll 01:17:29 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> they are one of the most active people of the ecosystem 01:17:30 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> wait, wtf? 01:17:47 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No they arent. 01:18:03 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 01:18:04 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Am i part of that active group? 01:18:23 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Youre here right now, arent ya? 01:18:35 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> so what is the criteria for this "Active Members badge"? 01:18:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> chowbungaman tuxsudo AilliA 01:18:54 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Aillia is only one who will answer the ping 01:19:23 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> tag all of them for meeting, ill call the community on X for wider range 01:19:31 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> tag all of them for meeting, ill call the community on X for a wider range 01:19:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Tux doesnt even answer pings in Cake Wallet 01:19:44 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This is why youre not going on the agenda 01:19:49 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> because they are active on x 01:20:01 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Meetings arent to be ddosed by random participants 01:20:07 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Tbh, matrix is shit 01:20:23 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> only the old active members np 01:20:48 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Only people who attend meetings regularly 01:20:55 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> for now, we have a few active core members, and 4-5 trolls spamming here 01:21:17 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Votes are always weighted 01:21:25 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> Why are you gatekeeping it? 01:21:55 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Because midopoet hates gatekeepers 01:22:01 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> is someone like arcticmine also not an active member? or dough which doing interviews left and right for the community? 01:22:02 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> only people who play in your field? 01:22:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> artic is active 01:22:24 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> who? 01:22:34 <NorrinRadd> also doesn't know who are core member -- noted 01:22:36 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> The policy guy 01:22:39 <NorrinRadd> outsider 01:22:54 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Something something politics around monero iirc 01:22:57 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> see? Py.verse knows his shit 01:23:10 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> ok so "if someday, core decides to officially endorse the cuprate, they should take over the ownership of the project because we trust the core not the dev and Unelected troll" (owners of cuprate org are listed on github page https://github.com/Cuprate , now i can think of _how_ core could one day officially endorse the cuprate - i highly doubt it would ever (or need to be) on mon<clipped message> 01:23:10 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> ero-project github repo , there would likely be an "Alternative node implementations" section @ https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/ 01:23:12 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Super active member 01:23:30 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> gate keeper 01:23:41 <dukenukem> wow. 01:23:53 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> irc don't see reply 01:24:07 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> would blessed_mind accept an "Alternative node implemention" section @ https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/ which displays "cuprated" and links to cuprate.org? 01:24:49 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Blessed cant really articulate what they want you to do 01:24:52 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> Core is not going to switch to cuprate as their main focus even if its 1000 times better than monerod? 01:25:14 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The ELI5 sounds (to me) like: idfk 01:25:27 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Core is 2.5 guys who dont give a fuck 01:25:30 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait, why are we sticking to monerod? If its good, lets switch, why waste money 01:25:53 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> yes thats not a problem 01:25:54 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate will come under moneor-project banned if _devs_ choose for it to 01:26:05 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> core* 01:26:12 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> this is core decision 01:26:18 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Just give it to salsta and toboht 01:26:20 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> As pkowsof said, alternative implementations are good 01:26:25 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> we would have to re-write cuprated into c++ because those devs need to pay rent still 01:26:41 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> circle of life 01:26:45 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Core doesnt give a fuxk at all, trust me 01:26:59 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> i trust you at about 69.43% 01:27:11 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If we said "add cuprate to monero-project", theyd add it. They dont care 01:27:19 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> So we cant replace the main one 01:27:20 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Only add alternatives? 01:27:35 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> there is no "main" impl 01:27:48 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> There is the c++ one and the rust (WIP) one. 01:27:52 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Unofficial official client 01:28:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Like how i2p has i2pd (c++) and i2p(java) 01:28:09 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> The one endorsed by ofrnxmr 01:28:31 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I use i2pd, which isnt the original 01:28:46 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Everyone uses that version 01:29:11 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> sgp just used i2p(java) and monero used to recommend i2p-zero(java) 01:29:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> We only recently replaces i2p-zero guides with i2pd 01:29:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Just = today 01:29:49 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnxmr, i dont get your point on adding a rule for CCS, you said its against the FOSS or something 01:29:50 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> can you explain that part 01:30:18 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ^ 01:30:21 <NorrinRadd> the point is that there does not seem to be a need to add a new rule 01:30:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Sgp is a psyop though 01:30:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> We should do the opposite of anything that fed guy does 01:30:41 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Or do? 01:30:46 <NorrinRadd> there is nothing to combat 01:30:57 <NorrinRadd> they can run their community how they see fit 01:31:17 <NorrinRadd> their agree was for code and the license applied to it. nothing else. 01:31:21 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> There is a rule saying that all projects must be licensed under a permissive license, which means that none of the projects can be truly "owned" by anyone. They are all essentially free to take/fork 01:31:35 <NorrinRadd> if monero wants to form a community around it, it will as soon as it wants to 01:32:38 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not saying that we should follow what sgp did. I'm pointing out that there are multiple implementations of i2p. Even once-upon-a-time there was kovri - monero's very own fork 01:32:57 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> what if, in a situation that a dev requested a fund for his/her project which has 10 owners and because of conflict if interests, project gets abandoned half way through? 01:32:58 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> yes i can fork it myself, you can too 01:33:00 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> but when you pay someone, you expect them to shoulder the full responsibility to deliver the product right? 01:33:02 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> im not saying lets make it illegal, im saying, at the very least, tell us about the stakeholders 01:33:17 <NorrinRadd> why? 01:33:20 <NorrinRadd> who gives a shit 01:33:33 <NorrinRadd> the agreement is for code and license. nothing else 01:33:47 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> bkessed - we dont typically fund team projects for that very reason 01:33:55 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> we 01:33:58 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Like soloptxmr 01:34:15 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> We are funding devs to do what they proposed in their ccs, nothing more 01:34:31 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> thats exactly what i said 01:34:32 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> just put that in the rule to avoid complications 01:34:56 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean 01:35:01 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> what if a dev makes a proposal and they quit because of X should we ban all possible X. 01:35:03 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Didnt we fight with kewbit over this? 01:35:04 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> please try to remember that the past week~ has been talking to zcash or hearing about how monerobull is censoring erciccione, something to discuss is refreshing 01:35:17 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i said typically, not that we absolutely wont 01:35:29 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: unstoppable wallet 01:35:46 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> We arent going to ask them to get their devs to open individual ccs' 01:35:52 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> "they quit" who? other stakeholders? or the dev? 01:36:27 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> give enough authority to synthetic is his gangs and they will do the same in this channel 01:36:33 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> the dev quit because of other maintainers in your example what if they quit because they have to deal with blessed_mind 01:36:44 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> should we ban blessed_mind ? 01:36:54 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No, we fought with kewbit over delivering ai slop while running around pretending to be the official haveno dev 01:37:10 <NorrinRadd> "just put that in the rule to avoid complications" - put what? 01:37:20 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> devs must the community the assurance to handle any kind of situation until they finish their job 01:37:20 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> because thats how you ask for money 01:37:36 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean, ownership problem 01:37:42 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> not how ccs works 01:37:49 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Now even boog is threatening us to shut up or he will quit 01:37:54 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats how bounties works 01:38:00 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> no, just an example 01:38:08 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Why we the community members dont have any control when we are the employers 01:38:33 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> take pills 01:38:36 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Since when did a contracti talk shit to their employer 01:38:36 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Same thing with moli happened, kewbit, now synthetic bird 01:38:40 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Nah. Kewbit is a total noob who doesnt understand open source. He broke licensing agreements because all he does is send prompts to ai and do marketing 01:38:56 <NorrinRadd> "just put that in the rule to avoid complications" - no. 01:39:08 <NorrinRadd> don't meet the milestone == dont get paid. easy. 01:39:20 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes 01:39:26 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you aren't the community, you aren't the employer, you are just a hater behind a chair. touch grass 01:39:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> We have control in the proposal stage 01:39:33 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Dont meet the rules req 01:39:34 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Fuck off ez 01:39:52 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: i am PRO retroactive ccs or 1 milestone ccs 01:40:00 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> No we dont 01:40:02 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> This catfish slipped through that control net 01:40:04 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Okay, but put that damn rule to prevent the next ones 01:40:08 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Meaning, you dont get paid til you deliver 01:40:11 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> my point was we can't keep adding rules banning things that might make a person quit 01:40:20 <dukenukem> jesus christ, what a tuesday night... 01:40:24 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> As i am, i did upvote your argument on that too 01:40:37 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> the list is literally infinite 01:41:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I DONT like ccs that dont finish the job, and have unrealistic milestones. The way ccs is designed has a lot of trust involved 01:41:42 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You have to trust that a dev wont leave after 50% of the milestones 01:42:08 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> on a project like cuprate which is a long term project, its a logical step for us to take your insurance on things like this 01:42:08 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> lets be honest, you cant replace the original dev on a large project and fork it 01:42:10 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> you developed that code, you know the best, its possible but its hard 01:42:18 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> im sorry you dont like unrealistic milestones, i've just changed them to realistic ones, and added another realistic one and doubled the asking amount 01:42:26 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so i often vote for milestones to be modified to actually deliver working products 01:42:46 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> That was so fking infuriating haha 01:42:49 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate is an example of a project born from nothing, that has delivered time and time again. 01:42:58 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> monerod did that many times 01:43:20 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> We have a lot of good projects abandoned because of the same reason, what a waste 01:43:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> #freeross 01:43:45 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> can you give us an example of that? 01:43:58 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> it was forked from a scam coin 01:44:02 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> 800 XMR and we make Ross evade from prison 01:44:02 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Milestone 1: Evasion 01:44:07 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> and then forked again 01:44:12 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> bro wrote his own bounty, raises 100xmr, failed, and tried to create a new ai slop bounty 01:44:17 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> monerod maintainers were the core devs, and replaced by trusted people of the community 01:44:24 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> and then people built major things into monerod ... and left 01:44:34 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> now others maintain 01:44:38 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a problem with not properly vetting ccs proposals for viability 01:44:40 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> oh you mean bytecoin? 01:44:42 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> once in a 10 year period is not that much, is it 01:44:57 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> how many times are your forking cuprate lol 01:45:01 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Most of those bad proposals are from pre-plowsof era 01:45:06 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> how many times are you forking cuprate lol 01:45:11 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> He is trying to overthrow the core now, led by evil ofrnxmr lol 01:45:17 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof deserve a raise 01:45:24 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof: give me your address in dm so that I can send you a present 01:45:31 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> (this conversation is recorded by the CIA) 01:45:50 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof gives himself a raise on paper, but then only collects every 3 months 01:46:03 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> because maintainers were chosen carefully to some extent 01:46:04 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> they didnt pop up out of thin air like synthetic bird 01:46:18 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> the goal posts are moving too fast 01:46:22 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> bro still don't wanna digest i was there since the beginning 01:46:25 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> I can't keep up 01:46:42 <NorrinRadd> comparing apples to oranges 01:46:47 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Pre ofrnxmr era 01:46:48 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Plowsof alone is weak, sorry to break it, no hate but he cant manage it all alone 01:46:51 <NorrinRadd> are we there yet? 01:47:26 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Why are there so many trolls in this channel? 01:47:58 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> \> \* troll \* 01:48:05 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> \> "why is there so many trolls in this channel ?" 01:48:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Pedo tranny, you are the leader of those gangs 01:48:47 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> new title 01:49:00 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Petition to ban rust devs 01:49:09 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> Again lets vote on that on the meeting 01:49:46 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Vote on what 01:49:50 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> And lets not alienate anyone who is not active 24/7 on this channel 01:50:05 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Kayaba is rust dev tho 01:50:05 <NorrinRadd> topic closed. 01:50:12 <NorrinRadd> ignore this guy until next meeting 01:50:17 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> translation: "please let my alt account go in otherwise i don't have any support for my ban appeal" 01:50:35 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> don't break their sad reality that FCMP++ is written in Rust 01:50:39 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> on adding that rule 01:51:17 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> What rule is that 01:51:18 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> i said lets take the vote of active people on x 01:51:20 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> again, you are attacking the community that is outside of your circle 01:51:37 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> no im actually referring to you as a single individual 01:51:40 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> but bait harder 01:51:52 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> "Clarify the ownership of the project you are getting funded for" 01:52:24 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> Im saying people on x 01:52:24 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> this is your third time calling them trolls/alt accounts/ non active members etc etc 01:52:27 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> There are no project owners for permissively licences projects ... 01:52:42 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Who owns monerod? who owns cuprate? 01:53:02 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> They can have other people as owners, just clarify it, a headsup for us to know 01:53:19 <NorrinRadd> ignore this guy 01:53:23 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> oh my god, take the L already and just admit you aren't capable of reading a fucking github page, if so was your real concern. 01:53:27 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> someone can own the _repo_, but not the project 01:53:33 <NorrinRadd> it'll be voted down officially in a meeting and that'll be the end of it 01:53:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Yeah i wouldnt have given a like to cuprate from the start if i knew this virus cat is going to infect our community 01:53:58 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Alt accpunt of bird 01:53:58 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Fk off 01:54:13 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> NorrinRadd welcome to the club 01:54:39 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> whats wrong about owning a project that we are funding? 01:54:40 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> at least, for projects specific to the monero community 01:54:54 <NorrinRadd> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 01:55:08 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> you want to add the rule, what's the problem with it? 01:55:17 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you see py_verse, NorrinRadd took some time to respond, thats because I had to switch accounts 01:55:25 <nioc> are we still here? 01:55:27 <NorrinRadd> lol 01:55:57 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its been about an hour discussing 1 item 01:55:59 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> exactly, whats the problem with voting on a new rule? 01:56:18 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> there has been 0 CCS related items since the beginning, only one guy whining over a ban for trolling 01:56:19 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Oh shit, nioc, another headache 01:56:20 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> This convo is doomed 01:56:22 <nioc> how many times has that question been asked 01:56:28 <NorrinRadd> ofrnxmr yeah just vote this guy down at a saturday and give it a rest for now 01:56:40 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> nice dodge 01:56:57 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> 99 percent of hem syntheticbird and norrin and dunken guy spamming 01:56:58 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> thats why i said in the beginning to keep it spam free form trolls 01:57:05 <nioc> imagine wen they find out I own everything 01:57:08 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> i literally repeated my reason 10 times now 01:57:31 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You own a big thing down here too nioc 01:57:32 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Should i ship it for you? 01:57:34 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Norrin, plowsof still needs to know what exacrly he's supposed to be adding to the agenda 01:57:51 <NorrinRadd> he rephrased correctly a few times. 01:57:53 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> the reason changed 10 times* 01:58:07 <NorrinRadd> as long as we address this & end it, alls good 01:58:35 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> can you tell me on of them? 01:58:36 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> what was my reason for this suggestion? 01:58:38 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> out of so called 10 version, quote one of them 01:58:51 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> i would like to hold a vote in 2 minutes on the hour for "Clarify the ownership of the project you are getting funded for" 01:58:53 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> can you tell me one of them? 01:58:54 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> what was my reason for this suggestion? 01:58:56 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> out of so called 10 version, quote one of them 01:58:59 <NorrinRadd> idgaf. you can speak on saturday & then it'll be over 01:59:11 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> wait for meeting, 01:59:21 <NorrinRadd> not now. we tried now and failed; you won't shut up. so it'll be on a saturday like you asked several times 01:59:23 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> "it could make the proposer quit if there is a disagreement" was 1 01:59:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So.. "new rule: [must] Clarify the ownership of the project you are getting funded for" 01:59:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> yes/no 01:59:39 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> its literally boog, syntheticbird, his friend norring ofrnx and you 01:59:50 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> yes 01:59:59 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Clarify for a rule is vague. Specify would be a better verb 02:00:11 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> ok sounds great 02:00:19 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> and ownership just assume BDFL while there are other type of governance 02:00:44 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> New boog ccs "i do not own cuprate" 02:00:44 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> New syn ccs "i do not own cuprate" 02:00:46 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> New jeffro ccs "i do not own monerod" 02:00:48 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> new kaya ccs "i do not own fcmp++" 02:00:57 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait, nothing is decided 02:00:58 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 02:01:00 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Whats your take, yes or no 02:01:21 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Oh mf trolling mode again 02:01:23 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> monerokon are already ahead of the game and clearly lay out their new structure under twisted edwards 02:01:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No. because every ccs would be "i do not own ... " 02:01:38 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> very elegant 02:02:02 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> i said clarify, dont twist my words 02:02:15 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Not trolling. 02:02:41 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i didnt twist you words, i copy and pasted you 02:02:50 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> where shall this vote be held, at the start during community highlights? 02:02:54 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Plowsof did understand the point 02:02:54 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You too bro, you are just tossing over it at thia point 02:02:57 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ^ 02:03:12 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> replay to that message 02:03:22 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> only if the end of a timer means => vote denied 02:03:24 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> yes 02:03:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes 02:03:57 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> without a timer community highlights is gonna be 3 hour long 02:04:09 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> "Clarify", didnt say they must not own 02:04:10 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> "Clarify it" 02:04:39 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Py asked if id be voting yes or no. I responded the abovrle 02:04:59 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> added to agenda Vote requested by blessed_mind "new CCS rule: [must] Clarify the ownership of the project you are getting funded for" 02:05:13 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Btw if we are counting votes for only accepted members 02:05:14 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Then these nobody goons of synthetic bird should are also useless votes 02:05:16 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof specify a timer 02:05:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I didnt say anythinf about "must not own", i said "must clarify" 02:05:31 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets say only members older than 1 year based on activity 02:06:20 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> I'm 3 year old 02:06:21 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait, am i active for over a year? 02:06:27 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Only active members who have participated in a meeting (any meeting, mrl, etc) within the past 6mth 02:06:38 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> :( 02:06:44 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ye 02:06:55 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Close enough 02:07:02 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> And active members who work for monero ecosystem 02:07:12 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> When did you get banned 02:07:18 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Nah 02:07:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I joined before you get banned 02:07:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> A few months earlier 02:07:40 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @monero and being employed by cake doesnt make your vote worth anything 02:07:59 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> thats no more than 10 people lol 02:08:00 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> just say you only accept your own people 02:08:08 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No cheerleader votes, smh 02:08:13 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> blessed_mind: syn owns https://librejo.monerodevs.org/Cuprate/cuprate on his CCS does he need to put me down as an owner? 02:08:20 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> what about random kids trolling all day long here? 02:08:49 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> if you work on a fork do you need to put the upstream owner as an owner? 02:08:53 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> syn owns librejo.monerodevs.org/monero-project too boog900 02:09:02 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> you should've just "Clarify" that synthetic still owns the project besides you and you were good to go (based on new rule that im proposing) 02:09:12 <NorrinRadd> certainly not going to accept votes from unknown randos 02:09:16 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> but I work on a fork owned by myself 02:09:22 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> its not about synthetic shouldn't own the funded project, or you 02:09:22 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> just say it 02:09:48 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Librejo mentioned ❤️ 02:09:54 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> You are delivering the one that you both own 02:09:57 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody "owns" cuprate. The code is permissive. 02:10:03 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> no I am delivering code 02:10:18 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> if I upload code to GitLab who owns it? 02:10:22 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If it wasnt permissive, it wouldnt be allowed to be funded under ccs. Period 02:10:23 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> like you? 02:10:39 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> for 100th time blessed_mind, IRC don't see reply 02:11:06 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> which one is the one that you are going to submit at the end to claim your funds? 02:11:25 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> whichever allows me to skirt these rules 02:11:32 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait, boog, are you retarded? 02:11:32 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Thats what kewbit did 02:11:40 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Librejo and github have the same code 02:11:55 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> these rules are meaningless and provide no protection for the CCS 02:12:00 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> He doesn't own the haveno, he just makes false advertising as the legit haveno 02:12:05 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> In your logic, thats okay too 02:12:31 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Answer this 02:12:32 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> what, no, I am working on `cuprate-boog` completely different project 02:12:47 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Boog doesnt own cuprate... neither does syntheticbird 02:12:49 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> How are you going to prevent kewbit situation? 02:12:58 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> by adding a CoC 02:13:07 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The proprietary fork, unpaid 02:13:17 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> They can't comprehend there is a difference between code and organization/project 02:13:25 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Take my CoC woke bastard 02:13:26 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Like firefox nixos, and other woke shits right? 02:13:29 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its 1.1x faster than cuprated 02:13:39 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Ban anyone you dont like and yell nazi 02:13:45 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> wat 02:13:53 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> the sleeper agent has been activated 02:14:00 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> attack woke! 02:14:12 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Anti fagg agent 02:14:20 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ive never seen boog so happy before 02:14:27 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> And im open about it 02:14:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Im not two faced backstabbel like someone 02:14:46 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> No kids for you 02:14:46 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Die pedo 02:14:49 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> \> \* insult heavily without arguments \* 02:14:53 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> \> "im open about it" 02:15:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> py 🤫 we have CoC on matrix / irc 02:15:10 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> But i dont censor you though 02:15:14 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Sry 02:15:17 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And someone has certain words on alert 02:15:18 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> py_verse requirements of voting mean you are somewhat sober and mentally stable 02:15:41 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> these guys are just as unstable as real "wokies" 02:15:49 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> How are trannys are mentally stable when they cant accept themselves? 02:15:50 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> inb4 for py_verse im mentally ill and therefore not able to vote 02:15:53 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> +100 02:15:58 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> who would have guessed 02:16:02 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> CoC = trans = woke 02:16:11 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> isn't that how the world work? 02:16:24 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> want to show you real world example? 02:16:24 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> firefox? 02:16:32 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> godot? 02:16:38 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> show me ruby 02:16:49 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> Elementaryos, nixos, opensuse etc etc 02:16:51 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuprate's CoC is for the cuprate matrix and github 02:16:56 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not for cuprated 02:17:01 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> good job 02:17:08 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> oh oops 02:17:13 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> i thought it was blessed_mind saying that 02:17:22 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> I overestimated him 02:17:24 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> I wasn't even that for a CoC lol: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1161 02:17:41 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> I thought it was probably unnecessary 02:17:52 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> blessed_mind: proved me wrong very quickly. 02:18:02 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> funny thing is, synthetic bird tried to implement the main version, the cursed one but got rejected by ofrnxmr 02:18:02 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> even to this day, he doesn't accept the reason ofrnxmr rejected that CoC (you can check his chats) 02:18:04 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> he clams its completely normal and stripped down version 02:18:20 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> did i say you are for CoC? 02:18:44 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> I just got wished to die. 02:18:54 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr: can you write in this chat that we both discuss this CoC together after a while and that at the moment we just agreed to disagree 02:18:57 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> i was literally talking with syntheticbird on cuprate channel 02:19:11 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> talking is a bit of a stretch. 02:19:25 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> # a bit 02:19:45 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Which CoC 02:19:59 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you know, the monero meta one 02:20:07 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> the ultra woke one 02:20:18 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The proposed monero CoC? Yeah, fk that one :D 02:20:22 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> Contributor Covenant 02:20:56 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> which you didn't read 02:21:07 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: 02:21:08 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets add a vote 02:21:10 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> On whether or not we should let woke people as a mod, maintainers or not? 02:21:12 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Not ban them, just, dont give these unstable people power to censor people left and right 02:21:14 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> as proved by the comment of your 3 weeks long github alt 02:21:16 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The C4 is a completely different "CoC" and exists on monero and is currently being improved. It governs how one should contribute code (via pr, not commiting directly etc) 02:21:53 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> what else is there more to say. I think that sums up py_verse shitshow pretty well 02:22:04 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> we have to make sure that they dont change it to the Contributor Covenant later on 02:22:27 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Are you scared of democracy? 02:22:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets see how people vote 02:22:42 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It goes through PRs and reviews. 02:23:08 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> There are ~10-15 open prs atm to improve the C4 02:23:12 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> again, this is unrelated to the first discussion 02:23:12 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> the rule 02:23:14 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> you said we even have co 02:23:16 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> again, this is unrelated to the first discussion 02:23:18 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> the rule 02:23:20 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> you said we even have CoC 02:23:42 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> We dont have a CoC, we adopted a C4 that we call a CoC 02:23:46 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> it doesn't mention this situation about ownership 02:23:46 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> does it? 02:24:10 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> We _rejected_ a CoC years ago, and opted for c4 instead 02:24:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Sort of. 02:24:39 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> and i think we should be careful of people who are trying to push that again, no? 02:24:53 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> can you quote that part? 02:25:28 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9744 02:25:29 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> can you read? 02:25:45 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> no sgp_ ITS A TRAP 02:25:50 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9738#discussion_r1930251371 02:25:52 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> GET OUT 02:25:53 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> GET OUT OF HERE 02:25:56 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I reread the messages and i noticed that 02:25:56 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Throught the entire conversation 02:25:58 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> boog900: is not against anything related to ccs, like, it doesnt affect your dev work does it? 02:26:00 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You are just throwing a tantrum because of birdie 02:26:25 <m-relay> <sgp_:monero.social> Adding to this, we could make a separate i2pd app as well, they aren't mutually exclusive. i2p java was simply easier for us to add to TrueNAS first so we picked that, no other reason 02:26:28 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> it's related to Cuprate 02:26:47 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> No first topic is not 02:26:56 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Look, you are not even against it 02:27:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its rooted in cuprate. Blessed is only making noise because of cuprate ban 02:28:06 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> fk the ban bro 02:28:06 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> im on that "Clarifying" rule 02:28:11 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And because blessed doesnt understand how a permissive license works, and how the cuprate matrix and github is not what is funded 02:28:25 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> you guys are denying the first part by spamming the second part 02:28:47 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> what is the first part and second part 02:29:00 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> you told me to die? I am here because of Cuprate 02:29:22 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You are alive though 02:30:03 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> my point was I was not the one to throw a tantrum 02:30:24 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> blessed_mind: did in #cuprate:monero.social which stated this all off 02:30:34 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> it's really pointless 02:30:54 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> for 100th time 02:30:54 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> "Clarifying" 02:30:56 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> second part was, if cuprate becomes the main official client, core or trusted people should take over the ownership of the project which plowsof mentioned that, there are no official client in the first place, and cuprate is going to stay in alternative clients section, so no issue on that part 02:31:03 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> the rule isn't going to change anything 02:31:18 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> We will decide that as a community not you, a contractee dev 02:31:35 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Only like the 4th or 5th bro, chill :) 02:31:43 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> It is going to change a lot, that's why you are crying and fighting for your life 02:31:56 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> "if cuprate become official then it needs to be owned by monero project", yeah no need for a new rule, this is pure logic. so no issue on that part. 02:32:05 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It will literallt change nothing 02:32:17 <NorrinRadd> well all know that 02:32:18 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> still 4 or 5 02:32:18 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> give me a rest 02:32:20 <NorrinRadd> only they don't 02:32:37 <NorrinRadd> so let them just lose on a saturday & it'll be over 02:32:40 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Having peopke wrotr "i do not own this project" is clearly obvious considering ALL PROJECTS ARE PERMISSIVE 02:32:42 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> thats literally my point in this discussion 02:32:55 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> well then your point is useless 02:33:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you can be the only dev. You can hold the ownership over all repos. You do not own the project if the code is permissive 02:33:34 <NorrinRadd> plowsof seems like you'll have to time cap the discussion 02:33:51 <NorrinRadd> this guy is troll extradenaire 02:34:15 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> i dont have anything more on that part 02:34:16 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> and about clarification 02:34:18 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnx, in that C4 thing you mentioned, it says if problem arise, dev should file a report, of logs, chats, etc etc 02:34:19 <NorrinRadd> 2 minutes for anyone to say their piece & then vote 02:34:20 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> bunch of headache to start this convo all over again 02:34:22 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> so just make it a rule to avoid the unessecary steps 02:34:32 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> sounds about right 02:34:45 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof will be the one counting the vote 02:34:49 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The ENTIRE point of the permissive requirement, solves the ownership question 02:34:51 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> in his own notepad 02:35:06 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofrn warned you, why did you come out again 02:35:36 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you have a lot of patience 02:36:03 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> Extra assurance on development part 02:36:04 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> just as plowsof said lets vote on the meeting, nothing more to say 02:36:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof said "i'm going to bed so lets waste 2mins in meeting instead of 4hrs here" 02:36:54 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Because your goons keep spamming the chat 02:36:54 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> That guy boog doesn't knowthe topic, throwing random shits 02:36:56 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> And you... 02:37:03 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Its was 5m discussion 02:37:15 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes or no on plowsofs part as a ccs coordinatoe 02:37:21 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> py_verse you mentioned "trannys" earlier 02:37:32 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> am i? 02:37:40 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Is he though 02:37:53 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Boog come to me if you have a ploblem 02:37:56 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If the project isn't permissive, its already intelligible for ccs under rule # 4 02:38:08 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ineligible 02:38:38 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "new rule: must follow rule 4" 02:39:04 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> they are not overlapping each other 02:39:04 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> even if its permissive, what if they fight in the middle of the dev cycle with other shareholders? 02:39:11 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> New objective: Follow the objective 02:39:21 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe we need a "new rule: must read rules before proposing new rules" 02:39:22 <NorrinRadd> no one cares 02:39:25 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> extra assurance is not against C4 02:39:28 <NorrinRadd> they're welcome to fight 02:39:40 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I care 02:39:47 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> sry for your loss 02:39:57 <NorrinRadd> blessed_mind can dm py_verse then 02:40:22 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: 02:40:22 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> its a community meeting 02:40:24 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> lets just vote on meeting after a quick mention of the topic and get over it 02:40:34 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> They are welcome to quit at any time. Hinto, boog, and syn dont have to like each other. Kaya "left" monero, jberman doesnt have to like jeffro, ooo123 doesnt have to like rucknium etc 02:41:08 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> you need to create a merge request editing the CCS rules with justifications that people can read and respond. 02:41:23 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> i guess our argument is on the term "community" itself 02:41:24 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> in your eyes, only the 10 or so people the the monero community that has any kind of say in this ecosystem 02:42:16 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe more should participate in the logistics instead of just hanging out on twitter? 02:42:21 <NorrinRadd> only 10 or so people give a F to give input 02:42:38 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> posting on matrix does nothing for my analytics 02:42:42 <NorrinRadd> let's go arrest some people on the street and force them to participate 02:42:47 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ^^^ 02:42:53 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> thats the main platform for "monero community" 02:42:54 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> maybe count numbers? 02:43:08 <NorrinRadd> instead of larping on X 02:43:29 <NorrinRadd> blowing smoke up each others' asses 02:43:33 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> ill make a tweet on monero society 02:43:34 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> lets see the older members take on this? 02:43:36 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> you have x dont you ofrnxmr? 02:43:39 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I can only count to 10 unless i take my shoes off 02:43:55 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait ofrnxmr is hated on x 02:44:06 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes i have twitter 02:44:22 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> But yeah, the main community is there instead of this eco chamber 02:44:37 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Nah, only while i was locked up 02:44:39 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Even kewvit has a group on x haha 02:45:08 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Sacred mission of overthrowing the corrupt core team, lead by evil ofrnxmr 02:45:11 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> do they host monero spaces where they review pull requests? 02:45:15 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Kewbit has tens/hundreds of turkish bots commenting on his posts 😆 02:45:36 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> they can if you want too, or do it on the monerotalks 02:45:45 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "so we only listen to people who do actual work?" 02:45:57 <NorrinRadd> plowsof took the words out my mouth 02:46:19 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> what is that actual work? 02:46:47 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> only people who code on the core github repo? 02:46:49 <NorrinRadd> ask doug about a PR and see what happens 02:46:55 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Reviewing and writing prs, while finding and fixing vulnerabilities (like boog) 02:47:12 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Doug thinks pr means "public relations" 02:47:26 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> let me rephrase it 02:47:26 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> "are there any way for no devs to influence the direction of the project?" 02:47:43 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No 02:47:58 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait 02:48:18 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> idk what to say!! 02:48:20 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Devs write and review code. Non-devs can comment and NACK stuff, or review things they dont agree with. But not by tweeting.lol 02:48:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Wait thats why we hated the core 02:48:49 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ANYBODY** can review a pr 02:49:06 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Because they dont listen to the community and only talk in their own circle of 2-3 people 02:49:06 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You are doing the same shit 02:49:08 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> But 10 people 02:49:10 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> EVERYBODY is welcome to meetings where future changrs are discussed 02:49:21 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: i proposed a short-term hard fork the other day 02:49:40 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You like it here now you admin huh 02:49:43 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Also pushing for a DSA change to improve rings, and to reopen a closed pr that did so 02:49:55 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Also pushing to merge master -> release w/o a hard fork 02:49:56 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> "fuck anyone who is not part of my kingdom" 02:50:26 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Core doesnt do anything 02:50:29 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> the plot is that py_verse is going to continuously see others as tyrannic until he becomes one himself 02:50:31 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> Monero is a donation based project 02:50:32 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> you cant just say fk everyone who is not a dev 02:50:41 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> They do on their own pace 02:50:50 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> They dont "steward" the project. 02:50:52 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> The problem was, ignoring the community in the first place 02:51:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No, they literally do nothing but maintain wallets 02:51:08 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Stewarding is not creating your own little corw though 02:51:14 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Tobtoht handles merges on monerod and gui now 02:51:35 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Not a ped sorry 02:51:39 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuz luigi cant be bothered to be available twice a month 02:52:06 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> at least you can treat me like a real one and give me evidence/proof 02:52:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> When did i say fk anyone? 02:52:46 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ^ 02:52:49 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> This is like shooting yourself in the foot/feet? 02:52:50 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Alienating the donors when your funding model is completely donation based 02:52:52 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ^ 02:53:18 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If you think devs are checking twitter or reddit before approving a pr, youre cooked 02:53:23 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You literally said you dont listen to anyone who is not a dev 02:53:47 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Spirobel, kayaba, jeffro and others have an X account 02:53:51 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Wtf is that logic 02:53:52 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> _im not a dev_ 02:54:01 <NorrinRadd> and an individual 02:54:24 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean you are though 02:54:24 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You work on basicswap scripts😄 02:54:33 <NorrinRadd> smh explaining a decentralized project to normies 02:54:48 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> They call it ai 02:54:48 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> But meh, you make it work, thats matter 02:54:57 <NorrinRadd> but but but who's in charge?!?! 02:55:06 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> are you mentally strong enough to handle a warning for breaking the libera policy rules py_verse? 02:55:11 <NorrinRadd> but but but but who is the owner? 02:55:13 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not ai tho 😆. I guess a compliment, because the scripts actually work 😆 02:55:26 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> So for a recap 02:55:28 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> ofrnxmr 02:55:30 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> you wont accept the meeting agenda 02:55:33 <NorrinRadd> but but who do I sue if I'm offended? 02:55:54 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> and anyone who is not an active member in the development doesn't have any say in the community? 02:56:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The item on the agenda is what i proposed. Youre item is on the agenda 02:56:05 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> py_verse: i am still waiting on the proof 02:56:24 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> calling people "ped"s dashed in between trying to have a conversation? 🤷 02:56:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Can they detect that too? 02:56:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Ill be more careful sry 02:57:11 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean, statistically 02:57:12 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> They are a bit more attracted to those things 02:57:14 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Statistically, math, you know? 02:57:29 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> epic 02:57:31 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Give me access to your computer 02:57:54 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> so why are you arguing? 02:58:02 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> thats what i asked for 02:58:13 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> alright py_verse, you have been promoted into the "liar and troller" case. Congratulations. 02:59:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cuz its a joke that you dont understand rule 4 02:59:33 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I think i saved one of the official data about this 02:59:34 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Ill send it if i find it again in the upcoming says 02:59:55 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> > one of the official data about this 02:59:59 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> bro take your pills 03:00:15 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Im normal dont worry 03:00:16 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont need a pill to... 03:00:18 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Nice bait tho 03:00:52 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Lyza: you hear that? I'm trans apparently now. 03:00:54 <m-relay> <blessed_mind:matrix.org> ok have a nice day 03:01:10 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Another zombie goon 03:01:35 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Ofrnxmr, bro to bro, letting these guys run wild will only backfire us later on 03:01:39 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Like zcash 03:01:46 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> i mean 03:01:46 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Shitcash 03:01:58 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Save this message 03:02:18 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I think this rule change is woke 03:02:44 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Then why are woke people fighting to death against it 03:02:57 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> boog isnt woke afaik 03:02:59 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> imagine not understanding what you are fighting for 03:03:05 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> and just following the mass 03:03:09 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> no 😆 03:03:11 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> He is 03:03:31 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> and syn gets accused of being transphobic 03:03:39 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> NO DONT TELL HIM 03:04:08 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> syn's monero CoC was wack, but the cuprate one isnt 03:04:23 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> He had his pronounces in his githuv bio, but he removed it after you got unbanned and make a noise against sgp and woke psyops 03:04:35 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> I literally didn't even want the CoC that much, look at the meeting. 03:04:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The cuprate one is common courtesy (ruby CoC) 03:05:17 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Again boog 03:05:18 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You are lost, throwing random shits between conversation to defend sync 03:05:20 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> life must be hard thinking what you see in the present moment represent the full story 03:05:38 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> I don't think I did that 🤷 03:05:43 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> libera.chats CoC is far worse than cuprates 03:05:54 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I can at the very least, remember the people who stabbed a knife in me, dont worry 03:06:08 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> I don't even know you 03:06:38 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> stop victimizing yourself 03:06:43 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I didn't even tell the full story about your shits on ofrnxmr part to avoid starting another drama 03:06:44 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You are a lier 03:07:16 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you mean i didn't tell the lies in your heads 03:07:19 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> yeah thats about right 03:07:21 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I was the only fucking guy in this space who was against the rulling party(lol) 03:07:32 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Im a lier? 03:07:46 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> up to know you are competitive liar 03:07:50 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> up toknow you are competitive liar 03:07:53 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> up to now you are competitive liar 03:08:00 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you can have a medal 03:09:53 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> type faster 03:10:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> see ya'll in 3 days 03:10:41 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> In basicswap ccs 03:10:42 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You literally said: 03:10:44 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> "Guys i talked with basicswap devs, they dont even know about the proposal, ofrnxmr is exit scamming" 03:10:46 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I called you on your lie, 03:10:48 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I told you to show evidence, you said i promised the devs to not show ss, i tagged plowsof, he chickened out because there wasnt any support on my part 03:10:50 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You did so much shit behind his back and when he got unbanned you were the fast to suck up to him 03:10:52 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont think you should get banned, its a free space, all im saying we should not let you in any kind of position of power 03:11:21 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Its not I've shown screenshots to multiple people 03:11:50 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> next lie please 03:11:54 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont have any kind of personal problems with boog 03:11:54 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> The problem is, he is defending a leacher like you, while his interests are in danger, and he is ready to lose doners and supporters for you which fighting to implement a CoC and other woke shits 03:12:17 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> If he is a neutral normal dev, he should just shut up and take his money and work on his project 03:12:32 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> that would make me a bitch. 03:12:35 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Send them, right here, right now 03:13:10 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> This does call every neutral dev a bitch 03:13:24 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> why would i break the privacy of someone else for your trolling behavior? 03:13:34 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Again, funny how much you are fuking over your image for this bad actor 03:13:57 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont think boog is defending syn, as much as he doesnt like blessed (period) 03:14:09 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> yes 100% ofrnxmr 03:14:16 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Privacy? You are literally lying and destroying someone's career and future with your lies 03:14:29 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> I have not stuck up for syn many times when he has been in shit. 03:14:36 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Blessed guy doesnt have any kind of problem with boog 03:14:39 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Nor cuprate 03:15:03 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> he absolutely does 03:15:16 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> this is where the ownership problem comes from 03:15:34 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Thats why I think you are not suitable for this job 03:15:34 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You are a fking kid that doesnt understand the weight of your words on people's lives 03:16:10 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrnxmr bench pressed the weight np 03:16:18 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> He just said, you shouldve mentioned sync is also an owner 03:16:35 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> that's what he has settled on 03:16:42 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> say the guy that called me a "pedo tranny" out of nowhere 03:16:53 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> but by all means continue the hypocrisy 03:16:59 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes, but i feel that you are a bit constrained because of the rules and responsibilities 03:18:25 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You did some shit, you got some shit 03:18:26 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> But i did call boog some things 03:18:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> boog900: 03:18:30 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Did I severely affect your career or your life? Something on par with banning someone from his project and making him a liar? 03:20:08 <m-relay> <boog900:monero.social> are you talking about blessed's ban? 03:20:22 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> This is the thing that you woke kids don't understand, this is just a fun typing game for you, like every other day 03:20:22 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> But a lot of people live off this, i want someone who understands the weight of his words/job and responsibilities, something that woke people, on 90 percent of the occasions couldnt understand, we dont want to bet on that 10 percent 03:20:24 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> We bet on non woke for 50 50 at the very least 03:21:09 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> It's so sad you put 03:21:13 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> No, he mentioned I'm lying too, he is trying to justify his shit with my swears towards you 03:21:28 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> It's so sad you put people in the same "woke" basket despite them having experienced the same things as you have experienced. 03:21:56 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> TIL 03:23:22 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> py_verse is 1/15 ofrnxmr alt accounts. I'm happy to have so many different personalities 03:23:34 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> and so do i 03:24:16 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, even syntheticbird and i have been accused of being the same person 03:24:23 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I dont even know that fking ofrxmr guy 03:24:24 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I didnt meet him, i didnt see his phace 03:24:26 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> First time i found him was when found out how fucked up the communities situation was, and there wasnt any way for me to fix it 03:24:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I joined the dough youtube live and found someone who was against the current way of operating the project 03:24:30 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You see the thought train? 03:24:32 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Now tell me, what have you done? 03:24:35 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> luigi too 03:24:37 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Can ou see the thought train? 03:24:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Now tell me, what have you done? 03:24:56 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> off-topic 03:24:57 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> for the basicswapdev ccs - there was definitely a minute there where bsx devs took a long time to acknowledge / comment on the proposal (for whatever reason) . i have no idea what " i tagged plowsof, he chickened out because there wasnt any support on my part" means 03:24:59 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I thought he was the binary guy at first haha 03:26:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But i showed plowsof some of the private chats (example the tv impersonation) 03:27:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The tv impersonation really pissed tv off (at me)... fkn trolls 03:27:04 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> They were trying to ban anyone who mentioned ofrnxmr 03:27:06 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Birdie guy, two other people, rotten, and another spammer which got banned later on 03:27:08 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> After i exposed birdie 03:27:10 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I tagged you to let the community vote on his situation but you ignored the request and just followed the trend 03:27:56 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> exposed birdie for? vote on whos situation? ofrnxmrs ban? 03:28:11 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> THEY DELETED THE ACCOUNT OF OUR BIGGEST DONOR 03:28:12 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Fucking broken down old pile of shit scott and his sockpuppets bots 03:28:14 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I mean, they would have banned you too if you were going to talk for him at that moment I got it 03:28:16 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Yes 03:28:42 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I did request two consecatives times on community meetings 03:29:01 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> i have seen screenshots from syntheticbird to justify why he would say bsx devs did not know about the proposal. 03:29:17 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Send them here right now 03:29:22 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> inb4 i fabricated the screenshots 03:29:36 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> oh nvm -100, missed the target 03:29:39 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I want to know if ofrnxmr lied or not too 03:29:40 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Well, if they exist 03:30:09 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> he and me won't send them but just for your noodle brain. The true story is that neither of us (ofrnxmr and me) lied 03:30:12 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> there was a misunderstanding 03:30:22 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> and ofrnxmr and me talked about it only very recently 03:31:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ofrnxmr drama made their lives chaotic overnight 03:31:36 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> If they have banned me on that day because of your request 03:31:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> That so called misunderstanding would have stayed as a truth till this day 03:32:06 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> so 03:32:24 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> At the time I was convinced ofrnxmr was a bad actor. I actually learned about ofrnxmr later on, came to appreciate him and his current work. 03:32:46 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Maybe when you are a mod 03:32:46 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You have to step up for the truth, even if it's bad for you 03:32:48 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> That you wanna imagine I was sockpuppet of sgp or someonelse is your right 03:33:10 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Again, you don't have the full story 03:33:17 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> same for the pronouns, py_verse 03:33:20 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You knew me before i was banned too tho 😆 03:33:24 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> do you know what my pronouns was before they/them ? 03:33:29 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> helicopter/attack 03:33:40 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> I've been called out for it 03:33:44 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Because you have to lol 03:33:44 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> The opposition lost 03:33:46 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You guys don't have any power against him 03:33:48 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You didnt have a choice 03:33:50 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> and changed it 03:34:04 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Some/it 03:34:04 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Or they/them 03:34:06 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Iirc 03:34:08 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> You are SO CONVINCED of being right, you refuse to give benefits of the doubt 03:34:16 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> > <@syntheticbird:monero.social> do you know what my pronouns was before they/them ? 03:34:16 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Something/it 03:34:18 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Or they/them 03:34:20 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Iirc 03:34:22 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i dont know _why_ you stopped dealing with me, but we used to talk on your old acct until i was banned. Then you refused to accept my dms :D 03:34:45 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I think you said smthn about how i attacked cake (tux) for adding anti-privacy features in an update 03:34:47 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> yeah because at the time idr who explained me your were someone disruptive 03:34:58 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> and your heated comments under cake wallet repo didn't helped 03:35:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (wallet calls home over clearnet) 03:35:12 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Man if you knew his true nature... 03:35:44 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> py_verse are you living in the voteofrn time period? 03:35:48 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets take this fight over X 03:35:48 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Haha 03:36:10 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Nah, but I don't forget plowsof 03:36:23 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> You don't move on you mean 03:36:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Its still voteofrn 03:36:45 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> That blessed guy said he is going to open the discussion in the monero community right? 03:36:46 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> ofrnxmr @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 03:36:48 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Are you a member there? 03:36:51 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> The big 750 member one 03:36:52 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Til i'm president frfr 03:37:07 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Monero Society* 03:37:13 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> not monero community 03:37:31 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> "move on" 03:37:32 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> If you dont learn from your mistakes or forget them, you are bound to repeat them 03:37:34 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Like trusting you... 03:37:38 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Not in mavricks group, no 03:37:40 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 🤷♂️ 03:37:51 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> You don't wanna admit you are wrong. 03:37:52 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Who owns the simplex one 03:37:56 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> so sad of you 03:38:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes**** 03:38:09 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Literally asked for a proof to prove me wrong 03:38:20 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> OFrnxmr and plowsof confirmed 03:38:23 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Ofrnxmr and plowsof confirmed 03:38:33 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> just scroll up 03:38:39 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> im a "lier" 03:38:57 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Plowsof can show the ss 03:38:58 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> And did they deny your anti ofrnxmr activity? 03:39:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I own the monero simplex 03:39:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Lets make that the official monero channel 03:39:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Pre ban luigi 03:39:34 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> why would they deny my disagreement ? 03:39:41 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr confirmed it 03:39:42 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The 2000 member one 03:39:44 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you don't trust him 03:39:46 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you don't trust him? 03:39:48 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You are also in the mavricks group? 03:39:53 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> You?! 03:40:00 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> i think py_verse and ofrnxmr need to rekindle their relationship somewhere else. the chatlog is big enough now 03:40:01 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It is the "official" monero simplex (cuz i say so) 03:40:02 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> well up to today, just quit it 5 hours ago 03:40:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Haha, you know when to run dont you 03:40:36 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> simplex x monero society go go go go 03:40:44 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Good for you, i got kicked because they suspected me im a bot 03:41:01 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> https://simplex.chat/contact#/?v=2-4&smp=smp%3A%2F%2FPQUV2eL0t7OStZOoAsPEV2QYWt4-xilbakvGUGOItUo%3D%40smp6.simplex.im%2Fo3W26CbJDR8abO4QG7Cvl7HM1WbKt5kO%23%2F%3Fv%3D1-2%26dh%3DMCowBQYDK2VuAyEAZLrvRhnIYDQjjyAgTnuDbZ5fhMRhA9BTBRblkqMtsQc%253D%26srv%3Dbylepyau3ty4czmn77q4fglvperknl4bi2eb2fdy2bh4jxtf32kf73yd.onion&data=%7B%22type%22%3A%22group%22%2C%22groupLinkId%22%3A%22XENmd9XeJ0rcB<clipped message> 03:41:02 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 900hulObg%3D%3D%22%7D 03:41:22 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> you are so pitifully stereotyped 03:41:50 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> We call them normal people 03:41:50 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Not a transformer you know 03:41:56 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> At least for posterity people will read the logs and see you are in denial 03:42:30 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> phone call 03:42:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Send the screen shot lol 03:42:38 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Im not scared, i said the same thing in the first day i joined this room 03:43:38 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> and again, i won't show them. You not trusting the one i was hating telling you I'm right and still asking the screenshots is being in denial 03:43:59 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> This should be more than enough to at least, start doubting 03:44:07 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> I can't help you 03:44:15 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Joined the group after 5 captcha tries lol 03:44:28 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> Maybe i am a bot 03:45:40 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> This is your third or fourth drama in the short 1 year time 03:45:40 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> I don't think this is the last one though 03:45:46 <m-relay> <clarck__amberson:matrix.org> See ya later guys 03:55:18 <m-relay> <plowsof:matrix.org> "<ErC> imagine if all you people would spend all this time contributing to monero in some ways instead of bullshitting on this chat 24/7. Maybe something would get done" #freeErC 03:56:46 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Stops people from saying "anyone here " 04:21:13 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm back 04:27:52 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> He shouldn't have been banned in _all_ rooms imo 04:58:39 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> just the ones he banned ofrn in 08:35:48 <ErCiccione> aaah so nice to turn on irc and see that the last discussion in this room was people calling each other "pedo", calling a coc "trans", insults and only personal attacks. 0 monero work 08:36:02 <ErCiccione> Thanks mod for keeping this place civil and cosntructive. You are doing a great job 08:36:38 <ErCiccione> does anyone remember when discussions here were civil and there was actually work being done? 08:51:26 <m-relay> <mmxxx:matrix.org> I already suggested that you use other platforms in which people are more serious about the topic in hand. 09:09:37 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Aloha haveno erc20 09:21:25 <ErCiccione> Thanks for your suggestion mmxxx, but the platform itself is not really what i'm talking about here 09:22:35 <ErCiccione> and btw, before the coming of the trolls, this place was the main place where we used to organize work onMonero 09:24:18 <ErCiccione> so eyah, this used to be the serious place :P. Now i'm curious to know where the serious place to have community coordination is 09:25:02 <m-relay> <mmxxx:matrix.org> Well those days are done. Try retroshare or lemmy or maybe one of the many twitter alternatives. 09:26:42 <ErCiccione> well, monero's lemmy is manged by the same guy who censored me everywhere and that keeps attacking me for having the wrong opinion. So not a big fan of that. I never heard of retroshare and that makes me think only a nice use it. 09:27:06 <ErCiccione> so not really great. I'll have to go outside monero channels to reach as many people as possible, since i'm censored in Monero places 09:39:03 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Plz whinge in monero-beef 09:39:27 <m-relay> <mmxxx:matrix.org> retroshare is niche but it's where you are most likely to find to find a receptive, captive audience 09:40:52 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Avoid xmpp , you won't handle the people 09:44:45 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Maybe try bluesky 09:49:59 <midipoet> that's a lot of backscroll 09:50:07 <midipoet> did i miss any votes? 09:50:38 <ErCiccione> yeah 3 of us voted to change name to montero. As you can imagine the quorum was reached and now we are called montero 09:52:18 <ErCiccione> btw i don't lack places where ican post, i was asking where monero people meetup nowadays. 09:52:26 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> midipoet, you just missed a guy who trolled in #cuprate, got banned, use the fact that I wanted to include a CoC to whine about le censorship. Then in hypocrisy decided to act disguise his whining in genuine concerns about ownership clarity in CCS proposals (quoting loopholes or issues (there were none)), at the end he just wanted to justify bringing his twitter friends to make th<clipped messa 09:52:26 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> e next ccs meeting a shitshow during a vote of a useless rule. 09:52:52 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> erc twisting history again. wasnt banned for "the wrong opinions" but for trolling for hours on end. 09:53:08 <ErCiccione> you tried to introduced a coc? How are you not crucified in the public square yet? 09:53:19 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> harassing, cry bullying, etc 09:53:34 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Playing the victim 09:53:41 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> ErCiccione, i have ofrnxmr approval on the text time 😉 09:53:49 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> erc its very different if you want to introduce a CoC for everyone vs for your own project 09:53:51 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> this time* 09:53:52 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Bitch in offtopic 09:54:16 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> i dont think anyone complained about the haveno CoC 09:54:31 <midipoet> the CoC was just CoC signalling, it wasn't serious 09:54:39 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> nobody wants a monero coc though 09:54:47 <ErCiccione> lol syntheticbird. look forward to it. My coc was a trimmed down copy of the contributor covenant. Do you have al ink to yours? 09:54:47 <midipoet> even if it was serious, nobody would pay attention to it, not even the mods 09:55:19 <ErCiccione> yeah. No point in a coc if there is nobody to enforce it 09:55:55 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> we should really enforce more, true. can anyone ban erc from irc now? 09:56:07 <midipoet> what for? 09:56:15 <ErCiccione> lol. monerostalin is upset people are not censoring from here too :P 09:56:19 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> ban evasion 09:56:35 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> he is asking for more enforcement 09:56:44 <midipoet> i always thought IRC was a the parent room and matrix the children rooms 09:56:55 <midipoet> in terms of hierarchy, not participants 09:56:55 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> start with yourself and remove yourself from the monero channels :) 09:57:11 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> nah 09:57:22 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> you IRC boomers tell that shit to yourself <3 09:57:36 <midipoet> ha 09:58:02 <ErCiccione> note. He arrived many years after when matrix channels where already created and operational. He has no idea how things were working before midipoet 09:58:35 <midipoet> i get that. but if the relay bot stopped working, where would all the meetings happen, do you think? 09:58:42 <midipoet> my bet IRC 09:58:52 <midipoet> but i could be wholly incorrect on that 09:58:55 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> i dont care how you boomers communicated on IRC in 2014 09:59:03 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> the boomer meetings maybe 09:59:12 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> but the community meeting would be here for sure 09:59:34 <midipoet> which are the boomer meetings? 09:59:47 <ErCiccione> i guess he means the meetings of the people who built monero 10:00:04 <midipoet> don't be silly. they're not important! 10:00:08 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> yeah, MRL for example 10:00:49 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> im not saying they arent important 10:01:01 <ErCiccione> eehm what? :P mrl was meetring on irc way longer before they started meetings on matrix 10:01:07 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> just that they cling to a dinosaur protocol :P 10:01:26 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> im not saying they have to switch 10:01:50 <ErCiccione> it is centralized, but here i'm not banned from power tripping mods yet. 10:01:51 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> but i definitely am allowed to poke some light fun at them lol 10:01:59 <midipoet> next you'll be saying C++ is for the boomers 10:02:04 <ErCiccione> lol 10:02:13 <midipoet> and the zoomers all want Rust ;-) 10:02:16 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> yes, thats why all our new stuff is built in rust ;) 10:02:25 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> cuprate, arti, serai 10:03:00 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> that being said, boomers, please keep maintaining the C++ node 10:03:22 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> will be nice to finally have 2 different implementations at once 10:04:32 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> btw to the people who are used to chains with multiple node implementations, do you run multiple nodes? id probably run cuprated and monerod 10:04:45 <midipoet> didn't someone make a python implementation once (or maybe it was Go) 10:05:08 <ErCiccione> yeah different implementations have been worked on and abandoned during the years 10:05:13 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> someone once built an entire monero-btc atomic swap exchange in the webbrowser 10:05:42 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> this was right after the last hardfork which they didnt know about 10:05:53 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> after people got stuck on that, he just vanished 10:06:14 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> had an orderbook and everything 10:06:16 <m-relay> <rbrunner7:monero.social> A fork was once rewritten in Go, Dero 10:06:32 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> ew 10:06:36 <midipoet> yeah. fucking zoomers 10:06:42 <midipoet> what the fuck do they know 10:07:36 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> certainly not how to use irc 10:08:41 <ErCiccione> yeah, they build these things for free with old technologies! Terrible people 10:10:51 <ErCiccione> changing subject. During these years mostly away from crypto i became convinced that the problem of the lack of quality in the space is related to the fact that these technologies (crypto) can be used to speculate 10:11:18 <ErCiccione> that kinda makes harder to work on the technology itself, because when profits get in the way, people's interests changes 10:11:58 <ErCiccione> what i mean is that i think that as long as there is speculation, cryptocurrencies will always be tasty for speculators 10:12:46 <ErCiccione> I thought about the solution for this, and the only thing i can think of is a private stablecoin in theory. So, speculation is mostly cut out and the technological benefits would be the max for who wants to transact privately 10:13:18 <ErCiccione> Any opinion about this? I thibnk this issue is fundamental for crypto to survive and not only become a toy of turbocapitalists 10:13:49 <ErCiccione> i know there are a lot of anarcho-capitalists here that will disagree with me, so i'm mostly interested in the opinion of somebody who doesn't have that mindset 10:14:23 <midipoet> surely there is a "private stablecoin" already? 10:14:52 <ErCiccione> see for example vitalik selling all his eth, becusae he claimed he cannot be impartial if he has an economic interest in the project. That's a great point imo 10:15:02 <ErCiccione> midipoet don't know really. Mine is more a teoretical uestion 10:16:08 <ErCiccione> my point is basically that by removing speculation, the entire mindset of the people working on the project would be different 10:16:36 <ErCiccione> because people are not pushed to shill to pump their bags, because their bags won't pump. Just for an example 10:24:00 <ErCiccione> just did a quick research and couldn't find any project doing something like that. Makes sense, technically wouldn't be easy. And the lack of scripting capabilities in Monero and other private projects don't simplify things 10:24:33 <midipoet> with a 'privacy stablecoin', contributors would be pushing for "adoption" just as much though, which is also an economic incentive. the "company/project" would collect fees, invest capital, try and generate profit, etc. 10:26:27 <ErCiccione> why is adoption an economic incentive? I see the push for adoption in this case as good, because it's not related to the value of somebody's bag increasing 10:26:46 <ErCiccione> also i don't think the "company/project" would need to do any of that. Exactly as monero didn't 10:27:08 <ErCiccione> we went on building for many years basically working for free 10:27:34 <ErCiccione> now there is a ccs for everything, but that's just the symptom of things changing inside the community more than a universal law 10:31:47 <ErCiccione> maybe we just need another church of monero. Where is xeagu when we need him? :P those were crazy times 10:33:22 <ErCiccione> for anyone has missed this piece of history of Monero: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/asqrbu/church_of_monero_enough_is_enough_how_the_leader/ 10:33:43 <ErCiccione> so yes, we actually had a "church of monero" for some time :P 10:35:40 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> #monero-offtopic 10:37:09 <ErCiccione> i'm pretty sure monero and monero's history are on topic here. Try to get rid of me some other way lol. Maybe a poll? 10:39:01 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Fkn noob 10:39:45 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> never heard of haven, zano, or the many other stable shitcoins 10:40:08 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "<ErCiccione> I thought about the solution for this, and the only thing i can think of is a private stablecoin in theory. So, speculation is mostly cut out and the technological benefits would be the max for who wants to transact privately" 10:40:26 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Bro is still traumatized from haveno ccs price dip 10:41:13 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Stablecoins are cancer. Why would anyone want a coin BASED ON a central banks issuance? 10:41:23 <ErCiccione> I'd like to point out once again who is provoking who here. :) 10:42:00 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Troll 10:42:05 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Acting like money printing from the fed is "stable" just shows that youre insane. 10:42:54 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Erc seems like a "why me person" 10:42:55 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, provoking your brain to turn on before posting 10:42:59 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Or snow flake 10:43:00 <ErCiccione> there we are. Personal attacks for an opinion they don't like 10:43:16 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Seriously, how have you never heard of haven or zephyr 10:43:22 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Poor victim 10:43:24 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Are you living under a rock? 10:43:32 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Btc rock 10:43:57 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Stable rock 10:44:43 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> We almost got a haveno app 10:44:58 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> Not like a nginx front end 10:45:04 <ErCiccione> so, offences aside i'll be curious to know other people's opinion, not that i expect many contributions if this is how things work here 10:45:13 <midipoet> ofrnxmr: zano and haven aren't stable coins? 10:45:39 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> zano isnt, haven is (rip haven via inflation bug) 10:45:51 <midipoet> so why did you say zano was? 10:45:58 <ErCiccione> "provoking your brain to turn on before posting" lol 10:46:00 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Zephyr is too (also had inflation bug) 10:46:01 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> What about firo ? 10:46:08 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I said zephyr ... 10:46:25 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh shit, sorry midi. i mistyped 10:46:44 <ErCiccione> lmao 10:46:48 <midipoet> haven doesn't seem to be either - from what i understand it just allows you to lock up your XHV and get some other type of asset for it 10:46:59 <midipoet> but the price of XHV is volatile 10:47:06 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> XUSD is the entire purpose of haven 10:47:11 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Haven, never had the success it deserved despite being loved 10:47:53 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Don't get me wrong I'm against stable coin 10:48:10 <ErCiccione> The discussion is going a bit ot. 10:49:43 <ErCiccione> my question was not about other stablecoins, but rather about what people think about the inpact of speculation on a project and his potential 10:49:51 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> it was off topic the moment you mentioned private stablecoins as the topic 10:50:01 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Fkn troll ass 10:50:13 <ErCiccione> the usual insults arrived, so now i'm looking forward to what other thinl 10:50:49 <ErCiccione> *think 10:50:59 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> OFFTOPIC 10:51:04 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> #monero-offtopic 10:51:33 <ErCiccione> This is about Monero. it's not off topic. 10:51:43 <ErCiccione> try censoring me with a poll. It worked the last time 10:51:58 <midipoet> anyway, i still want to know whether there is there a privacy orientated stable coin or not!? ofrnxmr says there are two 10:52:01 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Zephyr etc and a private stable coin is on topic? Bullshit 10:52:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Midipoet, havenproject.org < haven is dead due to an inflation bug 10:52:43 <midipoet> right, so it's dead 10:52:55 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Zephyr also had the same inflation bug, but they didnt shut down 10:53:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ...Still offtopic 10:53:38 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> This is community, not vomit talking 10:54:16 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> We can talk about haveno front end if you want ? 10:54:23 <ErCiccione> is there a room where people can talk about Monero seriously without all this noise and low quality conversation? 10:54:28 <ErCiccione> 321bob321: sure, let's 10:55:28 <ErCiccione> any qyestion you want me to answer to? 10:55:43 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> erciccione, go to monero-offtopic and ping juliu 10:56:10 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (re private stablecoins) 10:56:20 <ErCiccione> lol 10:57:51 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I don't see what's so funny 10:59:03 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> How come it was submitted and approved before the backend was done ? 11:00:33 <ErCiccione> i'm not sure what's the point of this question, but the backend of haveno have been worked on for two years before we submitted the request for the new ui. The plan was to build both ui and backedn at the same time and that's what we were doing 11:00:51 <ErCiccione> so to have a working platform as soon as possible and hopefully soon after a working ui 11:01:26 <ErCiccione> any other question? 11:04:04 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> So the back end was done first ? 11:04:45 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> frontend was supposed to be finished in 4-6 months, yet the backend took 2 more years. You had claimed that the new frontend was a requirement / old frontend wasnt viable, yet here we are today. Old frontend working fine. 11:05:43 <ErCiccione> no, the backend wasn't ready 321bob321.As i was saying, the idea was to work on both of them at the same time, as we did for a bit 11:05:55 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> So what was the new front end money used for ? 11:06:18 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> when you say "we", what did you do for the backend? 11:07:43 <ErCiccione> 321bob321: the payouts that we got from the ccs were immediately paid to the UI devs (accounting is all in detail on haveno's repos the other money are still in the ccs afaik, except for the 11k that you were scammed of 11:08:50 <m-relay> <321bob321:monero.social> So ui was done ? 11:09:11 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Partially 11:10:14 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> github.com/haveno-dex/haveno-ui 11:10:24 <ErCiccione> ofrnxmr: For an easy overview you can see my commits on the haveno repo for direct work, devops and everything else i did. I also organized and documented the deployment, docs, managed the entire infrastructure, bug triage, etc 11:11:35 <ErCiccione> so, yeah. Trying to trivialise my contribution to haveno is a bit stupid :) 11:11:51 <ErCiccione> beside literally coming up with it and working on the trade protocol for like a year 11:12:00 <ErCiccione> so, next question? 11:14:36 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You never transferred #haveno irc channel ownership. Wen 11:14:56 <ErCiccione> let me check that out 11:15:44 <m-relay> <q8monero:matrix.org> hello :) 11:15:45 <m-relay> <q8monero:matrix.org> hey :) 11:16:47 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> hi :) 11:17:11 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 👋 :) 11:17:19 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> . :) 11:17:21 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> :) 11:17:25 <ErCiccione> ofrnxmr: apparently you were right. I might have forgot about irc powers in that room. I'm notgoing to contribute to haveno and i have no interest in being in that channel. So i remove my powers and gave them to selsta, midipoet and geonic 11:17:32 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ) 11:18:01 <m-relay> <q8monero:matrix.org> am a newbie friends, so can i ask some basic question regarding mining ? i have to say it was very hard getting here in the first place 11:18:07 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Midipoet and geonic? Lmao tf? 11:18:22 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Give to plowsof 11:18:35 <selsta> Haveno channel? I don't read that channel actively at the moment, maybe plowsof would be better. 11:19:06 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes. Plowsof owns haveno-development 11:19:13 <ErCiccione> i gave powers to the people i saw in that room that i know are trustworty. My point was just to remove my op 11:19:17 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (with woodsers blessing) 11:19:21 <m-relay> <q8monero:matrix.org> what is the official irc channel and server does the community connects to ? 11:19:39 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> Hi there, this is the wrong channel. Please go over #monero 11:19:47 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> libera.chat 11:20:26 <m-relay> <q8monero:matrix.org> thanks :) 11:20:38 <ErCiccione> so again, feel free to give powers to whom you want. Not my business really :) 11:33:53 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> it didnt deserve any success, their stablecoin depegged 11:35:26 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> >gave them to selsta, midipoet and geonic 11:35:26 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> lmao 11:35:29 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> > gave them to selsta, midipoet and geonic 11:35:30 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> lmao 11:35:34 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> > gave them to selsta, midipoet and geonic 11:35:36 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> lmao 11:36:20 <midipoet> Zepher also seems dead 11:37:00 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> why do you say that 11:39:12 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> nvm. Dont answer that. Offtopic 11:39:15 <midipoet> I looked up their ZSD (the stable coin) it seems pretty dead 11:39:18 <midipoet> https://coinranking.com/coin/QX04deiTF+zephyrstabledollar-zsd 11:39:27 <midipoet> Maybe it's just not listed anywhere meaningful 11:39:35 <midipoet> And has depegged from 1USD 11:39:37 <ErCiccione> github pretty much dead too 11:40:54 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> idk. they put efforts into it. 11:41:04 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> not very useful but still some efforts 11:41:15 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Trash 11:41:24 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> zephyr was a scam 11:41:25 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The tokenomics were always trash 11:41:40 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> most likely the exploit was by an insider 11:41:44 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Haven died twice now, and zephyr is just a haven fork 11:41:52 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> they minted like 16 million zeph which is much more than the total supply 11:42:06 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> LMAO 11:42:12 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And like 400b haven 11:42:16 <ErCiccione> what is that Djed protocol they talk about? docs seem dead 11:42:33 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Offtopic 11:42:41 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ask juliu 11:43:13 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> I miss Juliu 11:44:45 <m-relay> <init00x:monero.social> do you guys know where supportxmr pool operators usually chat? 11:45:08 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> dontasktoask.com 11:45:20 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Why, whats up? 11:45:22 <ErCiccione> the protocol: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10174901 but they don't seem to mention how that would work with the privacy aspect, which is a red flag already imo 11:45:52 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> #monero-offtopic erc 11:46:07 <m-relay> <syntheticbird:monero.social> i would be curious too 11:46:14 <m-relay> <init00x:monero.social> I send an email to them but still no respond for like a week 11:50:06 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> i dont think ive ever seen a pool operator other than xmrvsbeast around the community 11:53:59 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Supportxmr is around 11:55:00 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You can try reposting on #monero-mining:monero.social 11:55:18 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I'll fwd msg anyway 11:57:36 <m-relay> <q8monero:matrix.org> this room does not exist 11:58:11 <m-relay> <q8monero:matrix.org> you recommend mining there ? 11:58:36 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> xmrvsbeast shut down their pool and is now giving away hashrate to p2pool miners 11:59:02 <m-relay> <monerobull:matrix.org> https://monero.town/c/xmrvsbeast 11:59:39 <ErCiccione> what's the hashrate distribution in pools currently? 12:02:33 <ErCiccione> nvm found it https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero 12:13:45 <m-relay> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> waaat 12:28:02 <m-relay> <q8monero:matrix.org> :) 18:11:25 <NorrinRadd> monerobull > 1 implementation has its pros and cons. 1) there is the risk of net splits but 2) if there is a bug, it's less likely it's going to hit every node