02:46:03 thoughts on v1docq47s ccs proposal taking time to be funded? i have proposed some resolutions if people would like to discuss or vote on for Saturday https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/issues/153 02:52:12 i think most simple solution is 02:52:32 Payout funds for completed work, up to amount that has been raised 02:54:00 If further milestones are completed but funds not raised, donate/deduct funds from his old overpayments 02:56:23 <321bob321:monero.social> This 02:56:37 (note to self: add a sheet for overpayments) 03:10:58 Basically, payout funds while still in fr. just leave it in fr until he needs to claim a milestone that isnt funded. If still not funded by time of next milestone claim, donate necessary funds from his overfunding. 03:15:11 if the remaining 3xmr isnt funded by the time of final milestone claim, we can look elsewhere for funds or v1d can reduce the amount (not our place to reduce the amt of someone's proposal. Imo, that his decision to make). But we dont need to cross this road until the final milestone is ready to be claimed 03:15:11 will add another option Partial payout(s) before funding achieved (with options 1..2..3) 03:15:49 Partial payouts is already in the rules and shouldnt really be a discission 03:16:43 "may" , yes definitely up for discussion 03:16:58 Rule 6: Your work on the project can begin before the proposal is fully funded, and milestones may (at times) be paid out before the proposal is fully funded. 03:17:26 this is likely to allow the collective to make decisions / vote with their wallets 03:18:02 Bro completed milestones, the only reason to not payout is to be a dick 03:18:04 so it's definitely a discussion. 03:18:11 funds for milestone 1 (or whatever) are sitting there with no reason to not pay them out 03:18:47 up for* 03:19:12 _the funds are already there. People already voted with their wallets_ 03:20:23 were not asking the people who donated the 20+15 xmr, if they want to sweep it to generalfund or to make someone work for free for 6 months. 03:20:36 forgetting where the +15 came from? 03:20:45 Those funds are designated for the milestones. Literally the ONLY reason to not pay, is to be a dick 03:20:57 the 15 i'm referring to is the overpayment, not netrik 03:21:26 so over payments belong to the proposer now? 03:21:42 i distinctly remember someone against this premise 03:21:44 lol 03:23:49 Funds hes asking for is dec + jan, which is 15.2xmr 03:24:43 Ccs has 27.25xmr, which is 12.25 from donations and 15 from repurpose of netrik 03:26:07 (no, overpayments dont belong to proposer, but should try to be applied (like netrik) to like-or-better proposals) 03:27:24 Netrik was actually discussed before being repurposed, so i'd fully agree with paying out the 15.2/27.25. 03:27:57 Otherwise we shouldnt/wouldnt have applied the 15 to the proposal 03:30:32 This leaves the 3rd milestone w/o enough funding (if being claimed), which would require a further discussion abt whether to pull difference from another ccs, overfunding, nowhere etc. 03:31:21 the proposers who do not have any applicable abandoned proposals to receive a contribution from or historical over funding, sitting at 25% funded after 92 days. what do you say to them? 03:32:52 <321bob321:monero.social> Stiff shit ? 03:33:46 That the funds raises are available for payout, and further funding can be decided on whether we can use a dead ccs, overfunding, or nothing 03:36:58 so, lets say there are no abandoned proposals, and overfunding is empty, then theres nothing we can do to help ya. they can chose to wait, close, or lower amount. 03:45:05

Hi, this is my first time posting in this space. I'm interested in using Monero for savings. I have read up on it, and I've tested the GUI wallet and mining with P2P pool. I have a couple questions and managing funds with a Trezor and the GUI wallet. Is this a space for those type questions? 03:46:00 Monero Monero GUI or Monero Support 03:48:51 is it fair to request blessed_mind give input :D 03:49:52 only if he invites all of twitter :P 03:57:20 i'm retracting / clarifying part of what i said earlier. The 15xmr from overfunding hasnt been applied to his ccs, so that is a subject to be discussed. But 15xmr that has been applied (netriks) have already been discussed. 03:57:22 how about (for discussion), modified rule 6 #blessed: _milestones_ may be claimed from a fr proposal, provided it has been in funding for a min of 45 days 03:59:22 updated the options, so paying out as milestones are completed , and donate 100% overfunding available is option 4.2... any reduction in amount requires input from proposer first 03:59:48 thumb up 04:01:19 40 days and 40 nights , amen 04:06:06 Offtopic, but my sync is acting up 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲 04:06:14 0% cpu, hasnt synced a batch in 8mins, not responding to commands (like sync_info) 04:06:31 (18.4.0 gitian build) 04:07:09 sync %? 04:08:43 88% 400k blocks remaining 04:08:45 ``` 04:08:46 2025-03-13 03:56:30.733 I Synced 2963200/3366587 (88%, 403387 left) 2025-03-13 03:56:31.915 I Synced 2963220/3366587 (88%, 403367 left) 04:08:48 2025-03-13 03:56:42.419 I Synced 2963240/3366587 (88%, 403347 left) 04:08:50 ``` 04:10:41 guess i'll kill monerod and continue.. then test again to see if it happens again. Not a good sign though 04:11:49 i still have 14gb free ram and 60gb storage, so thats not the issue 04:14:15 Wont even sigkill -_- 04:17:26 Notice went from syncing a batch every second, to 10 seconds then deadlock 04:24:30 Had to reboot. Thats a first .. 04:25:08 Not to self, run new monerod inside container…. 04:25:16 Note to self, run new monerod inside container…. 04:27:17 I was running for specifoc purpose of testing a full (pruned) sync from scratch w new binaries. My main node is still running 04:35:55 (its not released yet, so no worries) 10:21:06 <4rkal:monero.social> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/s/MX3Msv5jDm 10:23:19 > https://github.com/CypherGoat/cli 10:23:23 ^ that's pretty cool 11:05:26 hello is the higher Difficulty is, the higher reward i get ? 11:29:10 q8monero: mining tools usually adjust difficulty according to your hashrate. If you are a miner just for fun, don't think about it 11:31:22 well my hashrate is 20,000 at the moment am just figuring it out why the other devices that hashrate is 8,350 is making more rewards than the first one 11:32:15 i mean am making profit from the 8,350 more than 20,000 lol 13:05:35 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/fLpjIbuFAWbAfjHznWuoIKQh 13:05:43 case study on the meaning of law and justice 13:32:24 <4rkal:monero.social> Giving away 50$ worth of xmr on twitter to celebrate the launch of cyphergoat.com, the first (soon to be) open source crypto exchange aggregator. Here's the link if anyone is interested: https://x.com/cyphergoatcom/status/1900097576562565404 13:43:53 will shill when it's FOSS 13:44:38 Its FOSS 13:44:43 https://github.com/CypherGoat/cli under MIT license 13:45:05 syntheticbird that's the CLI, look at the web UI one! https://github.com/CypherGoat/web 13:45:24 Oh 13:45:33 Desktop is even better! https://github.com/CypherGoat/desktop 13:46:02 They are the same picture. 13:46:13 Really? 13:46:15 Shocker. 13:46:27 Mmmmmeeeeeeoooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww. 13:49:25 <4rkal:monero.social> Lol 13:50:05 <4rkal:monero.social> I'll be releasing the web source code soon ™️ should probably delete the desktop repo since I haven't started working on it yet. 13:50:21 <4rkal:monero.social> I'll be releasing the web source code soon ™️ should probably delete the desktop repo since I haven't started working on it yet. 21:15:09 Question: As far as I know, there is no formal voting system in Monero for the regular users to decide about hard forks. The voting is done only among the core developers, not all node operators. 21:15:10 Some might argue that this gives Monero's core developers more power over the Monero project than the power Bitcoin's core developers have over the Bitcoin project. And that a Monero user has to put more trust and faith into Monero's developers than a Bitcoin user into Bitcoin's developers. 21:15:12 Is this true, or am I misunderstanding something? 21:15:14 If it is true, then I would like to know how these two hypothetical conflict of interest scenarios will most likely play out: 21:15:16 1. The majority of Monero users want a particular change to be applied to the protocol, but the developers are all against it. 21:15:18 2. The majority of developers want a particular change to be implemented, but the majority of users are against it. 21:30:52 Both 1 and 2 are essentially the same problem/conflict (as understand it) 21:31:04 Both 1 and 2 are essentially the same problem/conflict (as i understand it) 21:58:32 tardigrade, same as bitcoin, in addition to devs, there are node runners and miners. the last two have voting power, partially because they are not required to upgrade. If desired, they can stay with the version of the network before a HF. I'm not sure I see much of a difference between Monero and btc in this regard 22:42:07 Node runners dont get to vote 22:42:10 Miners do 22:43:20 (mining nodes*) 22:50:03 "i'm not sure ibsee much of a diff between xmr and btc" << btc has spv (and doesnt really worry about privacy). Btc nodes was (before capture) were intended to be mining nodes (as per satoshi) 22:57:50 Xmr nodes serve to protect wallet privacy as well (no spv, dandelion++ etc). This is pretty much the only reason for regular users to run a node. 22:57:52 for merchants, the purpose is to validate transactions. Miners are the only ones who secure the network, and the only ones who commit transactions 22:58:17 "no spv, utilizes* d++ etc" 23:00:55 So the tldr.. 23:00:56 If users don't want/dont want a feature, miners are profit incentive see and wont follow a fork that users wont use (because miners need to be able to sell their coins). 23:00:58 If users want**/dont want