01:45:03 <n1oc> selsta part-time monero development (3 months) (16) is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-16p.html @luigi1111
01:45:24 <plowsof> 👁️ 👄 👁️
07:59:52 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/JLLWaIjFyhoAgTdYAflNvYEm
08:00:57 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> today we already had "major depression" and someone who was "going to college in the US but federal aid was cut and now they need just a measly $48k"
08:01:50 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> check this out
08:01:54 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/IgAwqfwryLTqqSLQEUMqqMLU
08:02:14 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> "i might have monero somewhere but i dont know seedphrase or where i even bought it"
08:02:40 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> this is like the "hacking an old phone for millions in bitcion video" where in the end they get in and the wallet is empty
08:02:51 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> this is like the "hacking an old phone for millions in bitcion" video where in the end they get in and the wallet is empty
10:40:02 <n1oc> plowsof CCS Coordinator is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/plowsof_6_ccs_coordinator.html @luigi1111
12:12:37 <m-relay> <r​4v3r23:monero.social> why does monero.town block tor
12:17:42 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> because someone is using tor exit nodes to ddos it
12:18:15 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> and lemmy itslef is not super compatible with tor / .town is set up a bit messily
12:19:16 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> will hopefully work when we migrate it to a new server
12:19:38 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> 80 days left on the current one
12:23:02 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Need to add an tor service to get the ddos protection right?
12:43:45 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> ive tried doing it myself but there are like 4 different nginx configs and the internal lemmy proxy stuff is just above my skill level
12:44:56 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i had an onion instance up but since lemmy is built for clearweb, it didnt really work at all
13:25:11 <m-relay> <r​mx-reverse:matrix.org> Hello,
13:25:12 <m-relay> <r​mx-reverse:matrix.org> I'm looking for feedback on a new XMR offramp tool, it allows for private topups to Paypal within certain limits.  
13:25:14 <m-relay> <r​mx-reverse:matrix.org> The process is fairly simple, you make a Monero payment and get a Paypal topup voucher which you can then share with whoever you need to settle - no KYC or other requirements.
13:25:16 <m-relay> <r​mx-reverse:matrix.org> Still in early testing so looking for feedback, please DM and I'll add you to the testing feedback room
13:28:32 <NorrinRadd> send in unreversible $ & expect reversible money in return. no gracias 
13:28:38 <NorrinRadd> / b6
13:30:50 <m-relay> <r​mx-reverse:matrix.org> Yeah, that's a valid concern.
13:30:50 <m-relay> <r​mx-reverse:matrix.org> Test the service to find out, I guess we'll have to build credibility by delivering
13:41:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Haveno?
13:48:37 <m-relay> <r​mx-reverse:matrix.org> If this is a question from my post above...  no, ours is a completely new service called SpendXMR
13:49:21 <m-relay> <r​mx-reverse:matrix.org> Initially we only have 1 product, which is Paypal topups.  If successful, more will be added
13:49:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> the question is: whats the diff? You can use haveno
13:50:14 <dukenukem> rmx-reverse these people are autistic, bear with them.
13:50:25 <m-relay> <r​mx-reverse:matrix.org> It's more of a vouchering site, like Coinsbee but they don't have direct financial topups
13:50:42 <dukenukem> they will shut down any centralized offramp shilling haveno while they haven't done a single tx. on it, or just 2, at best.
13:50:47 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Boldsuck can probably knock this out
13:51:41 <dukenukem> Guys! I have launched new service! Noooooo!!! Scammer! Haveno hurrr durrr.
13:51:46 <m-relay> <r​mx-reverse:matrix.org> I'm new here but love that there's such a big community already...  just built an MVP of a service and hoping to see if it gets some interest....
13:51:54 <dukenukem> The always welcoming and intellectually honest montero community!
13:52:10 <dukenukem> rmx-reverse did you share it in reddit/lemmy yet?
13:52:29 <m-relay> <r​mx-reverse:matrix.org> Nope, this is the first post
13:52:40 <dukenukem> I see.
13:53:29 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> s/while*//
13:53:33 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> rightfully so
13:53:37 <dukenukem> ok clown.
13:54:13 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
13:54:28 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> No scammers allowed
13:55:00 <dukenukem> monerobull ".town is set up a bit messily" more like the latter, not the first one, be honest.
13:55:03 <dukenukem> lol
13:55:09 <dukenukem> aremor ok SEC.
13:55:45 <dukenukem> rmx-reverse does SpendXMR have a link yet?
13:56:29 <dukenukem> Abandon reddit! Scammers, 1984, thieves!!! Come to .town, no Tor, federation is broken, even if you find decent instances, your posts and comments won't federate over.
13:56:38 <dukenukem> But it's not shitty sysadmin, it definitely is Lemmy!
13:56:46 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> bruh what is your problem
13:56:58 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> the lemmy ui is reliant on javascript
13:57:03 <dukenukem> Your lack of self awareness. That is always my problem.
13:57:26 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> the fuck, i literally said that i didnt set it up cleanly
13:57:28 <dukenukem> You don't own it and instead claim that I abuse you lmao.
13:57:34 <dukenukem> Own that you don't know how to run your shit.
13:57:37 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> ???
13:57:52 <dukenukem> Same way you should own you said you were going to coordinate MoneroKon after ajs stepped down and never did a thing lmfao.
13:57:55 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> no i know exactly what i did
13:58:02 <dukenukem> yes guys, I'll take care of it, no, you didn't lmfaoo.
13:58:11 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> bro please you have no idea what you are talking about
13:58:15 <dukenukem> Now you are saying the same for Topia livestream.
13:58:17 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Republican tactics. Draft dodger! ::dodges the draft::
13:58:20 <dukenukem> Hopefully same thing happens now.
13:58:28 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> ajs specifically said hell step down from the more physical stuff
13:58:35 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> and that hell keep doing the admin
13:58:36 <dukenukem> Oh, I don't need you to admit to me you don't own you don't do what you said you will do....
13:58:45 <dukenukem> Your Kon staff colleagues do, though, privately. :)
13:58:59 <dukenukem> Now keep running your broken Lemmy instance, please.
13:59:25 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> you know that i set this up out of my own free will right?
13:59:29 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> nobody is paying me to do this
13:59:34 <dukenukem> Shocker!!!
13:59:43 <dukenukem> It has been broken for months regardless.
13:59:48 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i spend my own money to set a thing up and because its not to your liking you shit on it kek
13:59:52 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> the fuck have you done for the community?
14:00:03 <dukenukem> Nothing!!!
14:00:13 <dukenukem> 24/7/365 causing trouble.
14:00:18 <dukenukem> See how you still don't own it?
14:00:37 <dukenukem> Repeat cycle for livestream. :+1:
14:00:51 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> lmao what a weirdo
14:01:13 <dukenukem> see? never owns it, calls it abuse, steps back, and insults.
14:01:18 <dukenukem> love to see it.
14:02:44 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Looks like lack of vagina. Pent up aggression
14:03:10 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i first set up lemmy years ago with zero experience, what do you expect xD
14:03:41 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> if you want a professional forum, raise funds and hire some professional admins with experience
14:03:49 <dukenukem> If you want...
14:03:50 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> or host one yourself!
14:03:51 <dukenukem> I already do.
14:04:02 <dukenukem> lemmy.coffee and lemmy.zip.
14:04:03 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> great!
14:05:05 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah i somehow doubt you run both of those
14:05:47 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> monerobull:  you accepting contributions? (Code, not $)
14:06:31 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> one of those is how youd expect the average lemmy instance (green hosting, focus on inclusivity, etc) and the other has an experimental content algo
14:07:07 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> but they are definitely not run by the same person lol
14:07:26 <dukenukem> when did I claim I did run them?
14:07:29 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> for .town?
14:07:43 <dukenukem> "green hosting" 'focus on inclusivity' lmfao.
14:07:46 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> we will do a complete re-install on a new server when the current one runs out
14:08:01 <dukenukem> CF too? :D
14:08:03 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/onMhJydCoYEtukgUxNWCHbGP
14:08:17 <dukenukem> media doesn't get relayed to IRC, you know this.
14:08:27 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> jup
14:08:57 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> its a screenshot of me saying "host one yourself!" and you going "i already do" and then you say "when did i claim i did run them?"
14:09:18 <dukenukem> latency in messages.
14:09:41 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Need an onion service
14:09:49 <dukenukem> dos.
14:09:52 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> that is the plan
14:10:40 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> New tor has ddos protection. Then for clearnet, you can keep your tor ban but at least real tor users can still get access to it
14:10:42 <dukenukem> aremor https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/4140
14:16:16 <m-relay> <m​on00b:monero.social> fair enough. how would you propose we (rmx-reverse and i) go about getting people to test our mvp of spendxmr? how does other, new services do this?
14:16:18 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> What’s causing no federation?
14:17:04 <m-relay> <m​on00b:monero.social> spendxmr is on-demand, not p2p. select voucher amount, pay xmr, get paypal voucher by email
14:17:23 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Sounds like they’re almost there. We could probably push this forward
14:18:14 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> PayPal is probably not a good partner for that service. Will shut you down in a heartbeat
14:18:44 <dukenukem> aremor go for it.
14:18:45 <dukenukem> lol
14:19:07 <m-relay> <m​on00b:monero.social> yes, that's the problem we're trying to solve
14:19:09 <dukenukem> mon00b first step: don't talk to these people and share it elsewhere. X, reddit, lemmy...
14:19:35 <m-relay> <m​on00b:monero.social> we'd like to get some feedback first, so not ready for public announcement yet
14:19:37 <dukenukem> your local newspaper's classified section lol.
14:19:46 <dukenukem> you can't get feedback without sharing it...
14:20:00 <dukenukem> share it and say it's alpha/beta, duh.
14:20:19 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> PayPal 🤦‍♂️
14:20:31 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> He’s right. We don’t do centralized services, but noobs do
14:21:29 <dukenukem> mon00b aremor exclusively uses Tor and RetoSwap, and he has never opened a bank account in his life.
14:21:51 <dukenukem> Excuse his circlejerking nonsense, he's just different than us.
14:22:07 <m-relay> <m​on00b:monero.social> it's tor-only with no kyc. just email address (temp email is fine) to deliver voucher to
14:22:39 <m-relay> <m​on00b:monero.social> dukenukem: that's already valuable feedback :)
14:27:06 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> if the service is tor only
14:27:18 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> why dont you just advertise it on dread
14:28:01 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> give 5% extra to incentivize usage and you should get a few people to test it out
14:28:33 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> "looking for feedback on our new service, get 105% on your monero"
14:28:46 <m-relay> <m​on00b:monero.social> great! will check it out, thanks monerobull 🎉
14:29:12 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> be prepared for people to be very skeptical though
14:29:18 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> especially on dread
14:29:47 <m-relay> <m​on00b:monero.social> wouldn't expect anything less from the xmr community :)
14:31:01 <m-relay> <m​on00b:monero.social> seems like finding dread is the first test
14:35:09 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> old.reddit.com/r/dreadalert
14:35:43 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> huh old sidebar doesnt have it
14:35:44 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> http://dreadytofatroptsdj6io7l3xptbet6onoyno2yv7jicoxknyazubrad.onion/
14:36:55 <m-relay> <m​on00b:monero.social> yup. got it, thanks
14:37:01 <plowsof> 💕
14:38:24 <m-relay> <m​on00b:monero.social> nice. a catcha that works without js
14:44:33 <plowsof> open to new offramps but "send your monero and get a paypal voucher" "tor only" / no idea what dread is / DM to join the private test group 
14:45:13 <dukenukem> 'typing like this' is back ! / I see we are back to the good 
14:45:20 <dukenukem> "ole" / 'days'
14:45:34 <dukenukem> how '
14:45:49 <dukenukem> is' your day / going / unfolding / (mate)?
14:46:21 <plowsof> its like pitching an escrow system where there is no arbitrator  
14:46:48 <dukenukem> it's ' as ' if it were / was a " scam " , (right)?
14:46:51 <plowsof> i am about to dip my face into ice water
14:47:14 <dukenukem> what do you ' dip ' your face / in / " ice " water for , mate ?
14:47:34 <dukenukem> god, typing like that is annoying, how do you do it.
14:51:38 <m-relay> <m​on00b:monero.social> yeah i get that. what would help put you at ease?
14:52:14 <dukenukem> corn reached its first sextillion per second. Insane. https://files.catbox.moe/cnt7nw.png
15:07:12 <dukenukem> plowsof: can you check /r/Monero mod mail and dig for a monero.eco post please? not sure why filter nuked that one. Mod mail should have a message from me. Other mods can't get to it yet. Thanks.
15:07:36 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> checking
15:12:49 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> ah
15:12:55 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> dukenukem is rotten, got it
15:12:59 <dukenukem> duh.
15:13:03 <dukenukem> plowsof thanks sir.
15:13:06 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah that was pretty obvious
15:14:08 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> man i was so confused for a second there
15:14:22 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> "what did i do to piss this guy off so much"
15:14:37 <dukenukem> plowsof https://sc.maid.zone/rick-wade/groove-head
15:15:03 <dukenukem> 🎶🕺
15:26:44 <nioc> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> dukenukem is rotten, got it  <<>> you should try keeping your finger on the pulse 
15:27:31 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i definitely knew it before
15:27:53 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> but forgot again at some point
15:28:06 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> havent fought enough with him i guess
15:59:21 <dukenukem> nioc: how do you master fingering the pulse sir?
16:19:07 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> Slow
19:18:08 <m-relay> <r​4v3r23:monero.social> will it have an onion
19:19:26 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> That's the plan
20:58:45 <thebone32> Hello fellas, I have a problem, I am sitting and trying to solve it for a couple of days, can somebody give me an advice? I am trying to use "transfer" method in wallet-rpc and add "subtract_fee_from_outputs" property, I am sending 0,004 XMR and I have 0,004 XMR on my account_index 0 and subaddress 0. I thought the fee had to be excluded from transferred amount, but wallet-rpc gives error "not enough money". How can I send exact amount 
20:58:46 <thebone32> excluding transaction fee? I don't want to use sweep_all or anonther sweep methods, cause of I want to send an exact amount.
21:07:34 <plowsof> You need the recipient to receive 0.004 and you only have 0.004?
21:08:29 <thebone32> Yes, the same amount
21:09:15 <thebone32> No, my bad, sorry.
21:10:02 <thebone32> I want to send 0.004 and exclude fee from transaction, I wanted to use subtract_fee_from_output, but it doesn't work properly on my side
21:11:24 <thebone32> For example I have 0.004 and fee is 0.001, so recipient will receive 0.003
21:15:00 <plowsof> Yep thats the correct usage, are we using atomic units
21:17:17 <plowsof> I remember using the example underneath and it working https://docs.getmonero.org/rpc-library/wallet-rpc/#transfer can you share your transfer rpc call (paste.debian.net) 
21:25:45 <thebone32> https://paste.debian.net/1365032/
21:26:19 <plowsof> Are you using a monero-ts / js library (just xhecking)
21:27:00 <thebone32> I am using native queries, I don't use libraries
21:33:16 <plowsof> Atomic units look correct, anything unusual here jeffro256 ^ 
22:04:35 <thebone32> Here is another request with response https://paste.debian.net/1365041/. I topped up balance and sent a request, so I sent 4000000000 and fee was 30760000, but the receive amount still 4000000000. Maybe I should use some kind of library, because now I using just curl
22:05:14 <thebone32> I wanted the recieve amount to be 4000000000 - 30760000
22:44:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hm.
22:46:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Is this merged on release?
22:46:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (yes)
22:54:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For sanity purposes, try removing unneeded parameters
22:55:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like ring_size and priority
22:55:12 <thebone32> I have 0.18.3.1 version, so it would it be better to update it?
22:55:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Your query looks correct and follows the example, but its giving incorrect response
22:56:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> jeffro256
22:57:45 <thebone32> Is jeffro256 user on github? So I need to write him?
22:58:40 <NorrinRadd> always good to update 
23:00:42 <plowsof> https://web.getmonero.org/2024/03/09/monero-0.18.3.2-released.html
23:01:02 <plowsof> added in 0.18.3.2 xD
23:01:55 <thebone32> xddd
23:02:53 <plowsof> r u using latest version and did you turn it off and on again
23:03:02 <thebone32> That method pissed me off a lot for a few days
23:03:36 <thebone32> i'll check it now, when update it
23:03:49 <plowsof> https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/
23:11:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh boy, lol
23:11:56 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We went like 100+ days w/o a "did you update"
23:13:48 <plowsof> 😆
23:55:02 <n1oc> SyntheticBird Cuprate Arti integration and development (2 months) is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/syntheticbird_cuprate_arti_2_months.html @luigi1111
23:58:45 <plowsof> 🚀