00:58:21 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe plowsof is on summer break ? 02:27:14 incredible how one comment makes you lot so petty and pathetic 02:28:21 2 years non stop work and delivering game changing features and this is how you treat a project that delivers? 02:30:07 while paying out literal scams CCSs and keeping others open for years with no "performance revew" 03:03:50 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Wes inclusive 04:10:08 Hi, who checks and approves bounties? 04:39:39 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof 04:39:58 <3​21bob321:monero.social> In bounties room 04:41:07 thanks 09:01:51 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/IVpsxmdmipXVBfgYaOoLdqJt 09:01:56 proton are fucking WEF agents of evil 09:06:29 <3​21bob321:monero.social> On sith lords podcast with them, they won't do monero cause they want to be compliant 09:06:50 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Also no body asked for a proton wallet either 09:08:22 is it a custodial wallet? otherwise, it's not really clear how they would encounter compliance issues 09:08:29 i guess Seth must have asked that though 09:10:52 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Self custody 09:13:55 well, hopefully Seth asked them what compliance obligations exactly. 09:15:28 <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://podverse.fm/episode/So1lo1kr- 09:15:37 <3​21bob321:monero.social> This episode 09:22:14 thanks for the share 09:34:24 at about 50m they seem to suggest that the reason they don't accept Monero for plan purchases is because it might mean the big 4 auditing firms will no longer audit them. 09:34:47 but looking back at the image that monerobull shared, it says XMR is included? 09:35:06 so maybe we all missed that! 09:35:29 no midi 09:35:33 they are making an april fools joke 09:35:39 oh 09:35:43 LOL 09:35:46 "haha we are adding all these SHITCOINS to our wallet" 09:36:00 including monero in this is a targeted message 09:36:27 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Ban! 09:37:30 well, we should all be happy that XMR was included alongside SHIB and TRUMP. 09:38:46 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Moon now 11:08:53 cool 11:10:11 midipoet: afaik proton wallet is in quantum custodial state, as they basically are aware of your transactions, can block youi from accessing your wallet, but they don't have the seed as this is generated and encrypted by your account key, client-side. it's similar to how they don't have access to your email content 11:13:41 oh fuck this was an april fool 11:13:44 i fell for it 15:04:03 But i agreed 15:07:55 r4v3r23 since a few days: 15:07:59 🧂 15:20:05 ah damn I like proton, that is a bit of a low blow april fools joke. but to be fair they didn't group xmr with trump and doge etc; having xmr classed with bch, eth, and sol seems fair 15:20:29 ah damn I like proton, that is a bit of a low blow april fools joke. but to be fair they didn't group xmr with trump and doge etc; having xmr classed with bch, and eth seems fair 17:17:25 Xrp..?lol 18:40:54 not you, talking to Dan, plows, etal who keep making some cringe joke about "summer" 18:42:40 plowsofwhat about CCS that hasnt claimed a milestone in 8 months, hasnt updated in 5 months, or pushed any code in 3 months? are only winter vacations allowed? or just because its not anonero they get a pass? 18:42:50 plowsofwhat about CCS 437 that hasnt claimed a milestone in 8 months, hasnt updated in 5 months, or pushed any code in 3 months? are only winter vacations allowed? or just because its not anonero they get a pass? 18:43:02 why arent they on your little list? 18:43:09 <3​21bob321:monero.social> My issue was you wanted up front payment and then said you will release straight away and them crickets 18:43:24 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Optics doesn't look good 18:43:59 i never said release straigh away 18:44:09 and i asked for half up front (just like another CCS at the time was) 18:44:21 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah ofrn 18:44:27 either way, im not delayed YEARS like other CCSs 18:44:34 how can you even compare 18:44:44 and how about htis? 18:44:51 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Not comparing 18:45:01 then anonero goes off the fuckign list 18:45:05 ridiculous 18:45:21 show me where i said release straight wawy 18:45:55 and go back to the discussion, i was totally flexible and accomodating to whatever payment structure you guys suggested 18:47:45 This is 437 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/437 , can add this no problem. He did contact me previously about completion of this and some other questions but i pointed him to announce this in public here. 18:47:57 take me off the list 18:48:44 giving us same deadline as molly/SDK is fucking retarded 18:50:55 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Was going to say that onw 18:51:04 <3​21bob321:monero.social> One* 18:52:23 yeah, right 18:52:32 If someone can tag mr cyans matrix. He is writing an update/blog last i heard 18:52:39 Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Qtip USAID Advocate) Backupwhere did i say release right away? 18:53:23 Mrcyjanek0 18:53:26 <3​21bob321:monero.social> my misteak 18:53:38 then whats your issue then? 18:54:56 did you miss the release that came out with over 70% of the work done? 18:55:59 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Tbh I don't use your wallet 18:56:14 <3​21bob321:monero.social> So wouldn't know unless it appears on town or reddit 18:56:36 then who are you to chime in? 18:56:53 <3​21bob321:monero.social> To make a joke ? 18:56:58 you have an issue with the ccs based on incorrect info? 18:57:11 I think the "if i'm going down, i'm taking other with me" isnt exactly a good goal to have 18:57:13 "my issue is..." thats not a joke, its an accusation 18:57:26 thats not the goal. its to expose hypocirsy 18:57:37 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Weird accusation 18:57:45 the problem isnt 437 or anonero, its the arbitrary decision made b plowsof 18:58:03 right. neither should have that disclaimer / deadline 18:58:18 exactly, next time keep it to yourself 18:58:19 exactly 18:58:35 all plowsofcan do is make some cringe joke about "summer" 18:58:47 xmruw had been sidetracked due to other obligations, but monero_c has had steady updates, releases, and is in use by multiple wallets (stack and cake) 18:58:51 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Why are then amended to the CCS and not a comment ? 18:59:09 plowsofwhy should newer CCSs that have claimed milstone recently be subject to same deadline as ded/stale CCS from years ago? 18:59:26 Neither project is dead or abandoned. both are functional and being worked on _today_ 18:59:38 so what? shit happens with developement. his excuse isnt any better than anoyone elses 18:59:54 <3​21bob321:monero.social> What was the criteria to put the deadline ? 19:00:19 the idea was a goodwill gesture to prevent a case like Molly/SDK/ old ccs 19:00:21 <3​21bob321:monero.social> SDK I know uses the 9month per milestone 19:00:28 but instead, its being used against me 19:00:45 He has nothing 2 do with your fight 19:00:54 hes not on the list. neither should i 19:00:57 simple as 19:01:01 plowsofcare to comment? 19:01:16 \ deez 19:01:29 excatly. nothing valuable to say 19:01:31 This action was performed automatically 19:01:40 take me off that fucking list 19:01:43 He has nothing to do with your fight. Your logic is also "if i'm on the list, he should be too!" Which is nonsense 19:01:45 youve had your power flex 19:01:53 no its not. i said it twice 19:02:02 i said hes NOT on the list, so I shoudnt be either 19:02:19 neither of you should be 19:02:22 Not about "equality" or fairness, but about being logical and realistic. 19:02:35 image.png 19:02:39 #voteofrn 19:03:11 that is my point, so stop accusing me of saying otherwise 19:03:12 kill dead projects. Simple as that 19:03:28 instead we have a clown as a ccs coordinator who cant admit his mistake 19:03:34 and instead sends memes as a response 19:03:38 that's rough. 19:03:40 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Tbh molly money should of be used for sdk 19:03:50 epic fail 19:03:59 i wanted to replay to ofrn 19:04:10 yeah sure 19:04:19 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Getting nasty now 19:04:29 youre welcome to make a mature response at any time 19:04:34 I don’t know what is going on, but yeah 19:04:41 <3​21bob321:monero.social> There must be a criteria that these projects fit to have a deadline 19:04:48 gatekeeping 19:05:15 the critera is plowsofs discrection. he still hasnt answered why SDK should have same deadline as anonero 19:05:23 or why some CCSs are included but not others 19:08:06 Hey sorry for late response I do miss part 4/4 in milestone 2/3, which mostly involves writing a write up blog post. I do have it almost ready but due to mostly personal reasons I was to able to finish it on time. 19:08:06 The missing part is getting paid and making a nice blogpost, I didn’t stop working on monero_c (including beyond the scope of what I do for cake wallet). 19:10:02 Hey, please keep me out of anonero discussion 19:10:10 its CCS discussion 19:10:40 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I'm guessing the deadline was just a line in the sand for all projects. The question is how do you determine what requires a please explain 19:11:01 you cant gve all projects the same deadline 19:11:18 and its not "all projects" 19:11:50 <3​21bob321:monero.social> It's to make it equal I guess 19:12:01 why? were they all opened at t he same time? 19:12:19 each project has its own schedule and history 19:12:28 why does one CCS get 4 years but another only 1? 19:12:31 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe the goal was to prompt responses 19:12:43 zooming out: solopt is still open. Case closed 19:12:52 My project started with a fully working xmr wallet and ended with improved wallet after the CCS ended, as I stated previously I did complete 11 out of 12 tasks mentioned in CCS and did far more beyond the scope of the CCS. 19:12:54 I once again ask you to stop comparing anonero to xmruw 19:13:05 i responded WITH A RELEASE and still got put on the list 19:13:09 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Can't use zoom 19:13:38 youre not following thie converstation, so dont worry about it 19:14:05 Solopt had deadline of oct 2022. Long after the deadline, the proposer wanted to be paid-in-full to abandon the project. Community rejected, but proposer was paid in full anyway. Since then, its been essentially dead. 19:14:06 Giving 6 more months to that was crazy work 19:14:08 the only part that wasn't fulfilled in my CCS is app store release due to legal reason and unexpected challenges caused by it. 19:14:20 and even better, a CCS whos work was mostly done isnt given a deadline, but a CCS who started from scratch is being put on a deadline? 19:14:43 plowsofrespond 19:15:27 <3​21bob321:monero.social> I think its cause its been 1 year 19:15:31 oct 2022 deadline vs apr 2025 deadline = same? 19:15:42 yes and 70%+ of work is done 19:15:48 what about the projects that have been unfinsihed for YEARS? 19:15:54 Kewbit scammed ccs. Community voted to boot him from fundraisers and the in-progress scams. Community was ignored for a month, and qtip was given thorough reviews and chances. 19:16:22 luigi1111major issues with the "new years" merge. plowsof wont even respond to community criticism 19:16:40 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Only can see payout milestone 1 ,11montha ago 19:16:44 Molly, solopt, sdk, to name a few 19:16:54 <3​21bob321:monero.social> That's the only thing I can think of 19:16:57 exactly 19:17:26 ight guys I'm going back to my business, thanks for ping plowsof, whenever I'll be needed don't hesitate to ping me, and expect the update this weekend. Have a nice day guys 19:17:33 theres no issue. plowsofs just cunty because there was no progress for 2 months in summer (wasnt in my hands) 19:18:13 literally hasnt even acknowldeged the milestone 1 with majority of work done 19:18:21 just interested in gatekeeping 19:18:26 Hot take: work should be done in a timely manner, and the results of said work should be fairly and timely compensated 19:18:43 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/573 19:18:54 And https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/569 19:19:02 do you dev? no project ever meets its timeline 19:19:11 anyone working in software knows that. shit alwasys comes up 19:19:15 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah but there needs to be rules broken or criteria to have a deadline no ? 19:19:39 it should be taken on case by case basis 19:20:05 and again, why punish a 2025 deadline the same as a 2022 deadline? 19:20:24 *looks at own dev work* 19:20:26 No? I’m not behind schedule, I swear! 19:20:34 :) 19:21:00 Not hot take: donors donate and expect results. If the results arent in doubt of being delivered, we shouldnt be rugging projects 19:21:14 what about them 19:21:53 all u need is some thumbs up 19:21:58 exactly. anonero has been the most consistent and hardworking INDEPENDENT WALLET PROJECT in the space but mr coordinator is trying to flex and gatekeep 19:22:13 none from you? 19:22:36 Yeah, communication is key; if something is running behind schedule but there is a valid reason for it, then no action needs to be taken 19:23:37 anonero had a release like 1.5 weeks ago 19:23:54 that covered a huge part of milestone 3 as well 19:24:13 and there has been consistent commits for months lead ing up to it 19:24:44 With a caveat: if something gets delayed for valid reasons for long enough, it may be wise to look over the entire thing and make sure there wasn’t a mistake in initial planning that needs to be addressed 19:24:44 If something is changed, the pre-existing work shouldn’t be unpaid for if it is usable 19:25:19 https://github.com/endorxmr/SolOptXMR/commits/output_mining_usage/ 19:25:20 Last commit june 2024, before that july 2023 19:25:30 ive giving reasons for delay (mostly due to underestimating the work load) but plowsofs not interested, he has a personal issue with me appererntly 19:25:37 looks, he wont even reply to any of this 19:26:06 look, he wont even reply to any of this 19:26:44 <3​21bob321:monero.social> OK I know why 19:26:53 <3​21bob321:monero.social> "CCS will expire one year from date of first payout and funds can be send to the General Fund." 19:27:05 <3​21bob321:monero.social> You shot yourself in the foot 19:27:14 …hmm 19:27:37 <3​21bob321:monero.social> But did see you ask to remove deadline from milestone 2 19:28:06 and i asked to remove it 19:28:11 whats the big deal? 19:28:20 That deadline is lowkey nightmare fuel for any sizeable project 19:28:28 Was it removed? 19:28:44 correct, but plowsof wants to enforce it but give CCS from 2021/2022 a free pass? 19:28:54 no, thats what this entire discussion is about 19:29:29 Was there another one with this statement that wasn’t? 19:29:38 all plowsof can do is make some smug joke about "summer" and play tough 19:29:40 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowosf must be going off that 19:29:46 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Only thing I can think of 19:29:52 he knows ive mentioend to remove it 19:29:54 When is the deadline? 19:29:59 3 times at least 19:30:17 doesnt matter, things change 19:30:38 underestimated the workload, asking to remove the dealine, with proof of work 19:30:49 its not like we havent started and asking to remove it 19:30:57 From plowsof’s perspective, apparently not; only reason I’m asking is if it has already passed 19:31:11 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Would of 19:31:21 plowsof is being petty 19:31:26 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Actually payment was 11months ago 19:31:39 20% 19:31:51 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Add another year 19:32:27 right. instead of an arbitrary "July" date that is the same dealine as projects from 2021 19:33:00 r4v3r23: where is anonero's monero fork? 19:33:10 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/aGyHsqpbUwUMDPWJbKAljDWg 19:33:53 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Got eatten 19:34:00 <3​21bob321:monero.social> With the fork 19:34:03 omnomnom 19:34:39 didnt you ask to be kept out of anonero dicussion? 19:34:58 I posted the links 19:35:12 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/573 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/569 19:37:15 man I just want to build the app locally to test it 19:37:17 <3​21bob321:monero.social> 4days ago 19:37:43 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Have to wait of Luigi Buffon ? 19:37:54 if I wanted to ask uncomfy question I'd ask where previous anonero source is and where is the fork of my GPL-v3 licensed package that you use in your app 19:37:55 <3​21bob321:monero.social> for * 19:38:08 new years was meged yesteay 19:38:09 but I don't care about that 19:38:34 did you move to codeberg or somewhere? 19:38:39 fork of what? 19:39:27 stealth mode 19:39:48 whats "uncomfy"? 19:40:18 man chill I just try to build your app 19:40:34 uhuh 19:40:54 its the same monero lib as v0 19:41:54 ight 19:41:56 http://git.anonero5wmhraxqsvzq2ncgptq6gq45qoto6fnkfwughfl4gbt44swad.onion/ANONERO/ANONERO/src/branch/main/external-libs 19:41:57 fix link plz 19:42:04 because this doesn't work 19:42:33 new forgeujo instance 19:43:00 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/ZRpakGGNSOxRrqjdetSvytNx 19:43:06 faster than previous :p 19:43:07 nice 19:44:20 anyway got to go, my last 2 cents would be that I'm for merging moving of the deadline for anonero - it is true that some things can be estimated wrongly, so adjusting the timeline is fine I guess 19:44:58 assuming there is a updated roadmap etc 19:45:17 thanks 19:45:35 milestone 3 is last roadmap item and is partially complete 20:46:49 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Add extension to deadline i think 20:51:31 Dev work is hard and stressful. When you get stressed you have to blow off steam. 20:51:51 Since it's a digital world now, and nobody goes to the gym anymore, we instead come to MCW to ree 20:52:00 and then when we've had our fill we go back to work 20:53:29 don't hesitate to make a mirror on librejo.monerodevs.org 20:54:40 who are you? 20:55:36 im a bird 20:57:06 I think the expiry rule can be amended. In the event that a project passes the expiry date, it should be reviewed by the community. If work has clearly fallen off, things can be reappropriated. If work continues and with good reason, and the author or current worker is around, then a second "deadline" can be set wherein the same process would happen. 20:57:28 but no other CCS has a deadline 20:57:39 i set one as a goodwill gesture 20:57:59 I'm describing an ideal CCS system here 20:58:01 that no other one does is a failure of current maintainers 20:58:03 There is no expiry rule iirc 20:58:13 Projects sometimes give themselves an expiry date 20:58:21 for new CCSs there should be a countdown after X amount of time of no updates 20:58:44 but current/open CCSs need to be evluated on case by case 20:58:53 not 1 sweeping decision/deadline for all 20:59:06 (not even all, some arent even included for "review") 20:59:22 The #1 thing that we are beholden to, is the donors 20:59:36 not plowsof??? 20:59:59 right, he has no right to decide any of this anway 21:00:07 unless hes personally paying from his pocket 21:00:17 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/cypherstack.com/dKPBStUCCTKFzJLJNAckZHSh 21:00:30 This is indeed not a rule 21:00:53 it's in the "how to submit" section 21:00:56 rather than the "rules" section 21:01:14 lol bureaucracy 21:01:20 anyway, trying to enforce an arbitrary deadline on and active, independent project is beyond pathetic 21:01:38 And by this, i mean we should protect the donors from 21:01:38 1. Being scammed 21:01:53 anyway, trying to enforce an arbitrary deadline on an active, independent project is beyond pathetic 21:02:26 community "coordinator" should err on side of supporting independent projects that contribute to ecosystem, instead of playing petty power games 21:02:38 Let your thing be 'reviewed'. Is it silly? yes. Let the maintainers do what they want in regards to process. Given work continues there's very little chance of you not being paid. 21:02:57 Indeed 21:03:04 It's not your time being wasted aside from popping in on request to give an update on why things are taking so long 21:03:16 ive given all updates and claimed a milestone when asked, and plowsofs arbitrary deadline was STILL imposed on me 21:03:41 "imposed" how 21:03:45 your CCS isn't closed 21:03:53 Lets use anonero as an example. 21:03:54 if a donor sent funds to fund _anonero_, and _anonero_ is an active WIP, delivering on milestones and the donors are not likely to be unhappy with the result, then it shouldnt be on chopping block 21:03:56 it's just a part of a list 21:04:15 if _anonero_ has 1 commit every year, and 2.5 years past expiry on a 3 month ccs, are donors ever going to see the end product of their donations? No 21:04:18 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/573/diffs 21:04:41 it shouldnt be on chopping block REGARDLESS 21:04:51 what is the issue with the CCS? not meeting a self imposed deadline? 21:05:05 Luigi merged change that out a big banner on anonero ccs that says anonero is in a red zone 21:05:08 this doesn't answer my question 21:05:11 nothing has happened to your proposal 21:05:23 yes, look at the commit 21:05:26 ok here's the answer to my question 21:05:34 and why is mine added to this list and not the other wallet i meantioend earlier? 21:05:39 that hasnt had a commit in 3 months? 21:06:03 plowsofanswer the god damn question 21:06:33 is it not pushed live yet? 21:06:36 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/r4v3r23-anonero-v1.html 21:06:45 Anonero was set to expiry (self-imposed) by april 28. It would be an injustice to donors to follow that 21:06:54 oh not a literal banner 21:06:58 lol 21:07:31 "but muh summer risk" 21:07:51 any sane headed coordinator would have resolved this the first time i brought it up 21:08:13 Prior to the deadline, the proposer MUST provide regular updates on their progress as per the CCS rules. 21:08:14 If the provided updates/progress (or lack thereof) is unsatisfactory, all remaining funds can be relinquished either before or after the deadline. 21:08:28 read the last couple of comments on the CCS 21:08:31 all of this seems reasonable and you are completely safe under this verbiage 21:08:44 aight sec 21:09:54 plowsof invited to meeting for update > i showed up and gave update > plowsof again asks for progress (after 20 days) > i respond > i release milestone 2 with features from milestone 3 and request deadline removal > plowsof ignores all requests to remove deadline and keeps me on his stupid little list 21:10:04 yeah....so as I said. The worst that's happened is you're on a list and he's not taking you off 21:10:25 hes trying to give me some arbitrary deadline (same deadline as ded CCS from 2022) 21:10:33 let the bureaucrats bureaucrat and go work on your app dude 21:10:45 the deadline imposed literally says "if provided updates are unsatisfactory" 21:10:54 and the community will largely agree that your updates have been satisfactory 21:10:57 The list is inconsistent, and really shouldnt include any proposals that are active 21:11:01 you're not at risk 21:11:08 exactly. why isnt 437 on there? 21:11:14 I agree but I'm not in charge 21:11:16 again plowsofyou can answer anytime 21:11:25 although actually I take that back 21:11:26 but the guy who is doesnt agree with you 21:11:28 Look at soloptxmr. last commit 11 months ago. Why does solopt get 11 months longer than anonero 21:11:31 I have answered. 21:11:36 EXACTLY 21:11:38 I think any proposal that hits a year should be reviewed 21:11:40 Solopt expired in 2022 21:11:46 remove me from your fucking list then 21:11:55 The proposal was for 1yr to begin with 21:12:04 and i already gavea full update 21:12:07 just giving my opinion 21:12:11 and STILL an new deadline was imposed 21:12:17 so where does that leave us 21:12:30 im not accepting July 2025 21:12:48 same as SDK/molly/optxmr etc 21:12:50 same as SDK/molly/soloptxmr etc 21:12:55 Since some proposals are 3 months, it those hit 1 year it means 4x behind schedule 21:13:21 I agree. But I think 1 year should be like...an absolute hard limit for review. 21:13:31 i was already under review 21:13:33 Like no proposal escapes the one year review type thing 21:13:39 i "passed" and still was added to the list 21:13:45 yes I'm not talking about you now. I'm talking about the CCS in general. 21:14:05 but i am 21:14:11 look at this stupid comment: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/447#note_29320 21:14:18 "ANONERO is at risk of gong AWOL" 21:14:21 believe me, yes I know 21:14:32 but CCSs open fro 2021 are fine 21:14:54 plowsof will bring the concern to the community, and the community will decide dude. And it seems pretty obvious they will decide in your favor. Let the deadline come and go. 21:14:57 so even with all my updates and even claiming a milestone, ANONERO is at risk of going AWOL plowsof? 21:15:13 no dude, if that was the case id be fine with it 21:15:15 And I personally will be very loud if it gets closed after deadline on your behalf 21:15:17 hes just deciding shit and not even taking feedback 21:15:29 look, he has nothing to say and is reading this entire convo 21:15:33 its been going on for hours 21:15:43 then your option is to raise hell at his next CCS request for continued work 21:15:53 im already doing that now 21:16:07 because i delivered and am still told "risk of AWOL" 21:16:13 plowsofget fucked 21:16:44 he literally said that replying to my message claiming milestone 2 21:16:45 I think any proposal where the proposer is MIA for 6 months should be placed into a redzone with 3-6 more months to explain or produce. But not a proposal that is active, where potential donor are happy 21:16:46 Example: soloptxmr. Last commit 11 months ago, previous one 11 months before that. this is a dead proposal 21:17:00 yes, somethign like that is reasonable 21:17:07 Molly hasnt claimed a milestone in 4 years 21:17:08 not "PLOWSOF SAYS JULY" 21:17:14 A good suggestion. 21:17:35 but ANONERO is the one at risk of going AWOL! 21:17:40 you're going to need to yell at luigi too. He merged the proposal which means he endorses it to some degree. 21:17:50 i tagged him twice 21:17:56 and made 2 PRs 21:18:20 plowsof just needs to man up and admit his mistake and address his stupid list 21:18:50 Also, at the same time, dangerousfreedom _told_ us to repurpose his funds and that he would not be back within the year 21:19:32 But his proposal is still open and protected 21:20:04 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/uAmIPdHfABZagxQbeYTIqvfD 21:20:25 does this look like and objective, fair mind or someone being petty and personal? 21:20:39 "shall remain" mein fuhrer 21:20:52 he cant decide this shit, he coordinates, not dictates 21:21:37 We just need to remember that 1. Its not our money 2. We are supposed to help ensure success 21:21:38 extending deadlines for scams or dead projects doesnt make sense. Live and meaningful projects don't need to be threatened to hurry up if they are doing their job, albeit behind schedule. 21:21:40 everybody is always behind schedule btw 21:21:50 Except selsta. Selsta's the goat though 21:22:08 plowsof is acting as if 1. its his money 2. hes the authority on which CCS lives or dies 21:22:41 July is an arbitrary +6 months date from start of this year, note on/before mention making this pretty meaningless to be fair. . Those added to the list had been placed on my radar by various means. Some through private inquiry on lack of progress. 21:23:01 ANONERO doesnt meet your criteria, so remove it 21:23:41 If history repeats itself and your dev disappears then this is a risk factor 21:23:50 he never disappeared 21:24:10 if we push people to meet uncertain deadlines, you can almost guarantee that people will start claiming milestones while cutting corners 21:24:13 Combined with inquiry on your projects lack of progress prior to your completion of the milestone 21:24:18 what about the other CCSs open for YEARS 21:24:34 plowsof your being petty and you know it 21:24:39 a 2 month delay isnt a risk 21:24:52 what baout 437 that hasnt pushed code for 3 months? 21:24:54 ALL OF WINTER? 21:24:56 is that a risk of going AWOL? 21:25:07 man 21:25:09 chill 21:25:17 He answered this concern privately and here already 21:25:21 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/LcWuZvjvRqqkaqTzHPBnhMij 21:25:22 i will when plowsof fixes his mistake 21:25:27 To be 100% fair. Ccs itself was down for 2 months w/o telling people that their money was gone 21:25:31 and i have publically with a RELEASE 21:25:36 now remove me from yoru fucking list 21:26:04 :D 21:26:06 renovate? and im not here to pick on yor ccs 21:26:09 The monero was AWOL 21:26:10 its an example 21:26:29 plowsof is gatekeeping the project that could have saved the monero fund hack 21:26:32 https://github.com/MrCyjaneK/monero_c/commits/develop/ nah, it's monero_c 21:26:51 2+ years of work and were at risk of AWOL because of 2 months last summer 21:26:53 currently it is anonero, feather, cake+cupcake and xmruw 21:27:15 at the time of the hack it was only anonero 21:27:25 and its only in those other apps BECUASE of anonero 21:27:33 I agree 21:27:34 anyway, not the point 21:27:42 that's why I'm in favor of extending the timeline 21:27:46 credit where it's due 21:28:21 plowsof doesnt seem to think so 21:28:40 but it is also worth noting that I've done cupcake during the existence of your CCS 21:28:43 hes more interested in flexing over me than doing the right thing 21:28:46 and anonero currently doesn't support UR afaik 21:28:57 wtf 21:29:01 so there is some valid concern 21:29:10 what are you talking baout 21:29:18 what concern is there? 21:29:39 v0 is still available and working 21:29:41 so wtf are you on about 21:29:43 0.5 isn't exactly halfway through 1.0 21:29:57 the CCS is not about v0 21:29:59 what are you talking about 21:30:01 what are you on about 21:30:07 the CCS 21:30:09 v1 21:30:11 youre making no sense 21:30:14 kotlin rewrite 21:30:21 what is the concern? 21:30:30 and wtf does cupcake have to do with my ccs 21:31:37 plowsof respond 21:35:36 idk man, I clearly see that plowsof comment mentions the fact that last summer there were 0 commits to anonero at all, and sure you can point finger at me and say that there are no commits to XMRUW for last 83 days, fine, but my project consists of slightly more. 21:35:38 The concern here is that removing deadlines may result in project not being delivered, again, I'm not saying you won't deliver, I think you will because I have seen a positive change in the git repo (I do sometimes check it to remember good ol days ;). 21:35:40 But currently anonero is in questionable state, there is no source for monero library (that even when available was like a year old in terms of updates), dockerfile for building is broken, old source code is missing, 0.9.5 source is missing even from codeberg, there **is** a valid concern, but with all of that in mind the CCS is about v1 release, and I think that it is fair to men 21:35:42 tion the fact that if progress will stall community will review the project 21:35:55 that being said, I agree with Diego Salazar - just work on the app 21:35:57 ignore the stuff around 21:35:59 and you will get paid 21:36:00 there wer not 0, so tay out of htis if youre just going to talk shit 21:36:05 we all will fight for that 21:36:16 "questionable state" go fuck yourself 21:36:24 monero lib is online 21:36:27 youre just ocnern trolling 21:36:42 literally 21:37:10 stealth source has been up until last week when i swapped git instances 21:37:19 serisouly go concern troll elsewhere 21:38:22 we both had wallet CCSs opened at the same time 21:38:30 I'll listen to your advice and go play some cities skylines 21:38:37 great, ciao 21:38:45 don't mention my pr because I have mention on it set 21:38:57 437 21:39:00 simply don't mention me I won't reply 21:39:19 "questinable state" 21:39:36 the fucking nerve 21:41:43 #voteofrnand J0J0XMRhave been testing and can vouch for the quality 21:42:09 or you can just download if your self instead of talking out of your ass 21:42:12 or you can just download it your self instead of talking out of your ass 21:42:48 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/ZVMbmvPQvkacYrdjmHUVcrxm 21:42:54 plowsofunnammed moenro wallet CCS 21:43:05 at risk of AWOL because of winter vacation? 21:43:21 or only ANONERO isnt allowed any breaks/delays in coding? 21:43:58 my men, I'm missing one week of work in my CCS 21:44:02 and I admit to it 21:44:05 what do you want me to do 21:44:12 and im 70-80% done 21:44:15 again, this isnt about YOU 21:44:20 its about plowsofs retarded decision 21:44:36 again then stop bringing me up 21:44:46 that's great 21:44:54 I'm looking forward to final release 21:44:58 im using it as an example, dont take it personally and dont respond 21:45:36 well i want this CCS shit sorted before contuining, because with plowsofbehaviour hes jeopodazing the enire thing 21:46:11 plowsofis at risk of making arbitrary decisions against my CCS at any time 21:49:22 all he said is that community will take a vote if you don't deliver and currently: 21:49:22 - community is in favor of extending/removing the deadline 21:49:24 - community see progress 21:49:26 - you are almost there in terms of completion. 21:49:28 you are safu, and even if plowsof mentions that you are at risk if you don't complete / abandon the CCS, and it is simply not the case 21:49:54 even if plowsof would go ahead and try to close that CCS (which I doubt he would do) community is on your side and that won't happen 21:49:56 all that was shown BEFORE merging the new deadline 21:50:12 and hes still sticking by his guns that anonero is a "risk" 21:50:36 so he can provide clarity that he was wrong and will remove me from the list and remove the deadline as well 21:51:03 because there is no concern here other than his personal power trip 21:51:55 plowsofhow is a project that has been constanly building from august 2022 "at risk" of going AWOL you dumb fuck? 21:55:07 plowsof: I hope your sleeves slide down every single time you wash your hands. 21:55:21 😭 21:55:35 LMAO 21:55:38 XDDD 21:55:42 not even asking for mbull's help can save you now bro 21:55:48 too far 21:55:50 Siren: that was rude come on! 21:55:58 I get wishing someone to step on a lego during night.. 21:56:00 but that's too much 21:56:35 Siren has no chill. Ruthless 21:58:57 We all got sensory issues within the monero community😭 21:59:35 no response. pathetic 22:00:33 The response is clear. You won't be removed from the list. You'll undergo review. You'll pass review. And then we can return on subsequent years to this exact place to reminisce. 22:00:34 r4v3r23 vs plowsof chess game when ? 22:02:01 says who? i provided all the info before the merge and was still included in it 22:02:12 now theres a bs deadline of July 2025 on my ccs 22:02:17 says my reading of the room 22:02:30 all i see is a coward who wont speak up 22:02:49 mr coordinator can step in at any time and speak for himself 22:03:16 but considering all the beta bitch behaviour, i doubt it 22:03:28 cool 22:04:00 in person, anytime 22:04:02 either way, back to FCMP 22:04:28 lmao 22:04:41 ain't nobody afraid of nerds 22:04:45 my response would be: 22:04:46 the only ccs's up for review are red zoned ones, and that anonero is not currently redzoned 22:04:48 Fcmp is another example. testnet by february. Should we be talking about redzoning it? No 22:05:00 thank you. Diego Salazari have no reason to be under review 22:05:02 either way, speaking of FCMP 22:05:23 we're working on the reviews over here at CS 22:05:29 meaning, get me off the fucking list 22:05:35 I want testnet soon 22:05:36 plowsof 22:05:39 one day i'll understand curve trees 22:05:45 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Jesus 22:05:50 <3​21bob321:monero.social> We get the point 22:05:51 Czarek Nakamoto: I'm bringing you back 22:05:54 there are very clear redzone CCS that dont need to wait til july. Like molly 22:05:57 we'll need new monero_c 22:05:59 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Your not happy 22:06:04 mr coordinator can chime in 22:06:18 Diego Salazar: hello 22:06:20 also poor cuprate people you too 22:06:24 why am I back 22:06:29 ^ 22:06:31 FCMP 22:06:34 okay fair 22:06:37 it comes in pink 22:06:44 blue 22:06:46 green 22:06:50 and with bubbles 22:06:55 and in that.. ught rusty flavour 22:06:59 sept 2021 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/vd-molly-payments-stage1.html 22:07:25 <3​21bob321:monero.social> You want to be taken off ofac list 22:07:41 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Community votes on CCS changes 22:08:03 then why was new years merged? 22:08:05 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Whether its wrong or not 22:08:12 Diego Salazar: is there anything more than building latest master with tobtoht's 30k line PR and rust toolchain? 22:08:27 not yet but someday 22:09:04 what extra would be needed? 22:09:17 diego you know that we are up to FCMP++ 22:09:31 luigi1111537 merge wasnt voted on, so its invalid 22:10:02 oh gawd we've been working on the wrong one this whole time 22:10:11 0_o 22:10:20 I'm joking 22:10:41 <3​21bob321:monero.social> That's an different CCS nioc 22:11:17 bumping cause I got curious Diego Salazar :p 22:11:35 that sounds like FCMP is soooooon 22:11:40 Dunno. Let me ask. 22:11:51 I mean we can spin up a testnet ourselves with what's currently out there 22:11:53 in fact, we should do so 22:12:02 alpha testnet does indeed look like soon™ 22:12:02 please, stop the hype 22:12:05 the more hype the slower 22:12:27 (i'm denial, we're still in december 2024) 22:12:29 good point 22:12:30 let's create a JIRA ticket 22:12:32 and assign story points 22:12:34 I literally have four mathematician/cryptographers working on this stuff every day 22:13:43 what he said: "I literally have four mathematician/cryptographers working on this stuff every day" 22:13:44 what i hear: "I literally have four mathematician/cryptographers locked in my basement" 22:14:14 they get fed when they give me a new page on our report 22:14:23 lmfao 22:14:54 I even got them all to the same physical place for a week so we could work 22:15:00 that was tiring, but fun 22:15:56 were there pizzas ? 22:16:07 if there were pizzas it was totally worth it 22:16:35 we did have pizza once, yeah 22:23:09 do they need sunlight? 22:23:47 Asking for a friend 22:27:21 321bob321 yeah, quite comical how that dude berates plowsof's list by claiming "it's just plowsof's blacklist" until merged and now questions why it was merged if "it wasn't voted on". lol 22:27:52 the funniest part is that he also crafts a new MR removing the deadline. 😎 22:28:10 let's not talk about his quite constructive remarks on certain "cuck wallet", per his own words... 22:28:49 granted, he started walking "on" the line once his turbo larping .onion-only wallet started seeking CCS funding. 22:28:55 Like I said, comical. 22:58:05 any news on the new IRC bridge deployment 23:20:46 Yes, I can vouch for specifically the stability and performance being much better than the previous Flutter version (which IIRC was the entire point of the rewrite). 23:21:52 I'm in favor with removing/extending the deadline to something more reasonable, and also agree there should be some process for review of old or stale CCS proposals (which I don't think Anonero qualifies as). 23:22:46 Coding can be tricky and deadlines are notorious for being pushed pack. I thought I'd have Payjoin coded up for Cake in about 2 months but it took way more than that I couldn't even finish it. 23:59:46 <3​21bob321:monero.social> When's the next meeting ?