05:55:12 [CCS Proposals] Yijia Zhang opened merge request #576: Add new ccs for monero https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/576 05:57:13 <321bob321:monero.social> This spam ? 05:57:27 [CCS Proposals] Yijia Zhang closed merge request #576: Add new ccs for monero https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/576 05:57:40 <321bob321:monero.social> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/576/commits 06:03:10 [CCS Proposals] Yijia Zhang closed merge request #575: OPENENET-MS01-MoneroSpace-Decentralized-Satellite-Network-for-monero https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/575 06:06:00 [CCS Proposals] Yijia Zhang opened merge request #577: OPENENET-MS01-MoneroSpace-Decentralized-Satellite-Network https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/577 07:22:42 something wrong with this guy 🤔 08:29:34 am i foolish for thinking, well why not? and then a follow up proposal for this? likely 08:29:34 Probably an easier merge if its split up into separate ccs 08:29:36 People gave their upvotes for all 3 milestones. All the risk is on my side. The milestones are tied to concrete deliverables. The people that want to blockade this are abrasive and want to deliver one mobile app for 375 xmr that wont be useful without a running haveno node. A web frontend that you can connect to from a browser wallet would make much more sense. This is the paradig 08:29:38 m that the rest of the ecosystem settled on. Even the mobile wallets contain browsers. 11:19:23 have i served my term yet as ccs coordinator, please free me 11:20:05 <321bob321:monero.social> To bad you renewed it 11:20:15 <321bob321:monero.social> No early parole 11:32:45 maybe we should structure the workgroup sessions better, so that the conversation is not as repetitive. 11:37:43 If people have objections they should be forced to state their arguments clearly. At least write out one paragraph. The objections should be objective as possible and not just trolling. Once an objection was made it shouldn't be endlessly repeated. Otherwise there will be a bias towards people that just want to pour sand into the gears. 13:30:33 <4rkal:monero.social> Major UI changes at cyphergoat.com ; ) 13:35:39 maybe you should restructure your proposal better, instead of thinking the problem is with everyone else 13:35:57 says the person who literally cant sum up the problem they are attempting to solve in a single sentence 13:37:30 Has anyone tried cuprate? Did you manage to broadcast a transaction? 13:43:42 the proposal is perfectly structured. You don't have a veto right over all the people that voiced their support. The majority is on my side and your insults and trolling wont change that. 13:43:54 you’d have to create a dedicated native application for each use case then, whereas a browser extension makes this a programmable component from any website 13:44:10 you’d have to create a dedicated native application for each use case then, whereas a browser extension makes this a programmable component from any website 13:44:10 20:38 13:44:12 the idea is to avoid having the user interact with cypertext at all, which is poor UX, and especially problematic in monero's multisig due to the back and forth requirements, repeated for each transaction, so it's not even a one time / direction thing 13:44:14 (20:44 13:44:16 NorrinRadd haveno uses multisig, and the user is never exposed to the cyphertext. this is what i mean. in the same way that a website would be hiding the multi-sig process from the user by using this browser extension, is the same way they'd hide the cyphertext by using a native application.) 13:44:18 20:49 13:44:20 m-relay 13:44:22 you’d have to create a dedicated native application for each use case then, whereas a browser extension makes this a programmable component from any website 13:44:24 here is the whole convo 13:44:26 explains it perfectly in one sentence 13:44:28 a multi-sig browser wallet than needs a companion app to 2fa? instead of just um.. using a mobile/desktop wallet 13:44:30 now just shut up 13:44:45 browser wallets suck, your proposal is a cash grab 13:47:26 I don't know why some in this chat are having a hard time understanding the use case of a browser wallet extensions. metamask is indisputably adopted because of its ease of use, which only an extension can provide. those saying it's glorified copy/paste are clearly not seeing what e.g. metamask is directly enabling 13:48:16 applying defi to monero is retarded 13:48:32 if the need was there, it would have happened ages ago 13:48:55 trying to port over a "solution" to a nonexistent problem 13:49:02 what is "defi" about a website being able to interact with a monero wallet programmatically, to enable easy commerce or multisig? 13:51:06 then why bring metamask in the the convo? thats its main use case. plus spiroel used the defi buzzword when trying to sell his overpriced ccs 13:51:54 bruh 13:51:56 I think its main use case is to simplify complex wallet interactions. the same applies in monero, whether signing a basic transaction or coordinating multisig 13:52:17 i dont see any problem that it solves 13:53:01 you dont see the benefit of being able to hold and swap monero with nothing than a browser? 13:53:08 simplifying the coordination of multisig, so user don't have to copy/paste long snippets cyphertex for every transaction isn't a valid problem to solve? 13:53:10 without any other apps or programs 13:53:34 no? 13:53:52 when we have plently of apps already 13:54:08 and [aying from them is much better UX and more secure than a multisig 2fa browser wallet 13:54:09 but the entire point is to not need apps 13:54:30 to reduce friction 13:54:56 I guess some people will not get it. "my mobile app works just fine" 13:55:10 apps arent the problem 13:55:14 there is no problem being solved here 13:55:34 i dont even have an eth wallet 13:55:35 i dont even have an eth wallet app 13:55:36 just shittier UX 13:55:44 why do you say that coordination of multisig, to save users from manually copying/pasting snippets are cyphertext, is not a problem being solved? 13:56:09 "download this 300MB app" is shitty UX 13:56:19 cake? 13:56:27 any app 13:56:57 so hes solving wallet apps? 13:57:00 im not going to download shit if someone tells me to (unless its in return for a tshirt, thanks tari) 13:57:02 wallet apps ar ethe problem? 13:57:16 why dont you tell me what is SO BAD about paying online with a mobiledesktop app 13:57:17 no 13:57:22 having to dl 300mb? 13:57:24 the problem is accessibility 13:57:31 literally everyone has a smart phone 13:57:41 more people have smart phones than computers 13:57:47 android is the biggest OD in the world, by far 13:57:52 android is the biggest OS in the world, by far 13:58:06 the default today is apps 13:58:07 whats so bad about having a browser wallet? 13:58:10 for EVERYTHING 13:58:10 that doesn't negate the benefits of monero wallet extension for certain use cases 13:58:16 not in crypto it isnt 13:58:18 whats so good about it? 13:58:27 explain the use case 13:58:43 yes it is 13:58:46 for everything 13:58:56 nope 13:58:59 and browser wallets are insecure 13:59:06 nope 13:59:08 and are #1 targets of phishing attacks 13:59:10 yep 13:59:14 you can use metamask with a trezor 13:59:15 coordinating a multisig wallet, so users do not have to manually copy and paste snippets of cyphertext, to setup the wallet and for every transaction thereafter. or simply sending a transaction to pay for a good or service from a website 13:59:16 and these apps contain small browsers to connect with the dapps. look at backpack, phantom, they all have browsers 13:59:32 lol copy paste 13:59:35 qr scan 13:59:46 yeah exactly lol 14:00:06 using the metamask in-app browser was so much worse than using the extension on desktop 14:00:34 you want the user to scan the qr code for every transaction to sync the wallet state? 14:00:35 so let me get this straight 14:00:47 multisig monero UX requires a browser wallet extension...? 14:01:41 if you want to have something like https://app.safe.global/, for sure 14:03:29 that thing secures 25 times Moneros entire marketcap 14:04:01 it would benefit from it tremendously, to hide the complex synchronization requirements from the users. you could instead use dedicated native apps, but something general programmable will have the advantage, which is why metamask has enjoyed its success vs building native apps for each thing 14:04:52 so building something for a non-existent hyptothetical 14:05:27 yes but to what end 14:05:34 what is the end goal 14:06:02 otherwise this is a hypothetical, overenigeered science project 14:06:05 Make monero as accessible as possible? 14:06:13 its not 14:06:16 and will never be 14:06:20 we are not an "Accessible" coin 14:06:23 a usable multisig wallet accessible from the browser would have its own value, for one 14:06:25 we are fucking delisted 14:06:28 What is the end goal of campaigning against more accessibility? 14:06:34 stop trying to paste normie crypto narrative s to monero 14:06:52 you can argue that for literally any proposale then 14:06:56 but then apps can be built on top of that as well, incorporating multisig 14:06:58 "muh mass adaoption" 14:07:08 look at the market 14:07:13 look at what its telling you 14:07:17 they dont want monero in their normie apps 14:07:23 the dark net is where we shine 14:07:32 Just look at fucking metamask and how it's a hundred times more massive than our entire project over here 14:07:43 this ccs will not bring adoption 14:07:47 i can guarantee it 14:07:52 no specific ccs will 14:08:01 you cant compare 14:08:21 you cant say metamask = browser wallet = success 14:08:24 Boomer 14:08:26 so monero browser wallet = success 14:08:28 metamask RESPONDED to a need 14:08:30 this ccs is attempting to create it 14:08:33 lmao look whos talkingb 14:09:07 nice comeback lma 14:09:11 o 14:09:25 This CCS is attempting to make monero as accessible as the massively more successful shitcoins 14:09:38 there is no need here to be solved 14:09:46 How do you think people will interact with serai? 14:09:52 no its not. its using "adaoption" as a vague way to get funded 14:10:02 no its not. its using "adaption" as a vague way to get funded 14:10:06 all you need to look at is RINO 14:10:13 multisig browser wallet 14:10:17 closes shop because NO DEMAND 14:10:25 Paying cake a 2.5% fee on every swap? I doubt the professional arb traders will want to do that 14:10:39 is serai out? working? whats the stats 14:10:53 no professional trader is trading monero 14:10:59 its fucking delisted 14:11:03 You clearly have no insight on this topic 14:11:06 theyre a 1000 other better coins to trade 14:11:08 stop this normie mindset 14:11:10 So it's insane how aggressively you are against it 14:11:14 ok genius 14:11:44 ill trust the market over a random monero bull 14:11:55 we are not in that section of the crypto industry 14:11:57 period 14:12:00 the way darknet markets are currently built lacks in luster. With a monero browser wallet, exit scams will become much harder. If multisig UX is good and easy nobody will do escrow where the admin has access to the funds and can mitm 14:12:01 And the market has chosen metamask you retard 14:12:12 correct dumbass 14:12:17 and meta doesnt have monero support 14:12:24 because if people wanted monero, theyd have ADDED IT long before the ccs 14:12:30 there is no demand 14:12:39 so stop trying to force it thru bs proposals 14:12:51 Metamask is owned by the fucking banks 14:12:58 Of course they won't add monero 14:13:00 ALL OF CRYPTO IS 14:13:04 except monero 14:13:06 So we have to do it ourselves 14:13:19 we are 14:13:21 but not by copying them 14:13:29 no one wants this shit but 6 upvooters 14:13:33 Everyone in support of this is literally representing demand for it 14:13:41 Your only argument is there is no demand 14:13:45 yes 6 upvooters 14:13:49 But 5 people are telling you there is 14:13:51 "the fax machine works, I press a button and it sends the data. no need for other ways" 14:13:55 ignoring the entire market that skipepd over us 14:14:10 no, i need a way more coplicated machien than the fax to do a worse job" 14:14:25 no, i need a way more complicated machine than the fax to do a worse job" 14:14:29 not everything new is innovative 14:14:33 and that's why mobile phones are of no use 14:14:46 you still havent said why 14:15:06 and where is RINO is multisig browser is so imporant and pressing? 14:15:11 and where is RINO if multisig browser is so imporant and pressing? 14:15:23 to remove complex interaction from the user, for any potential application 14:15:44 how is that complicated in mobile/desktop wallets 14:15:50 are you saying we cant have good multisig UX in wallet apps? 14:16:37 mutisig wallets require the exchange of cyphertext for every transaction. this is poor UX to require from the user 14:16:41 rino ux was terrible 14:16:55 exactly BECAUSE there are no browser wallets 14:16:58 it would have been fix wit hthere was any DEMAND and feedback 14:17:05 also even basic transactions for simple commerce can be simplifieid 14:17:09 but let me guess, this is the magic CCS that will fix it all and FINALLY bring adaoption 14:17:21 can you explain how that would be done on mobile 14:17:41 have you ever used thorchain 14:17:42 or cross desktop/mobile 14:17:45 on mobile it would require some dedicated native app to hide this from the user 14:18:09 Where is the info being transacted..? 14:18:11 a separate app? 14:18:25 browsers already have p2p capabilities 14:18:39 webrtc for example 14:18:49 Obv "the internet", but how does party A do a multisign via BW w/o exposing metadata (their ip etc) to party B 14:19:06 Isnt that reliant on a messaging protocol? 14:19:08 using tor? 14:19:24 you can also have extensions for the tor browser 14:20:46