03:06:56 <n1oc> [CCS Proposals] jeffro256 opened merge request #578: Add jeffro256-full-time-2025Q2 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/578
08:04:43 <midipoet> "Crypto governance repeatedly cycles through historical political models. They start with founder “monarchy,” move through cults of personality, core-dev “aristocracy,” token-whale “oligarchy”, DAO “democracy,” mob-rule “ochlocracy,” and back to emergency centralization. Each phrase concentrates or disperses power until inefficiencies or self-interest triggers the next revolution. Pure 
08:04:43 <midipoet> decentralization leads to governance paralysis or mob rule, while centralization restores order at the cost of censorship resistance."
08:04:47 <midipoet> ^^ i wonder what stage we are in. 
08:37:26 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> We built different
08:37:39 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> DAO is just oligarchy
08:44:09 <midipoet> the full twitter thread is here: https://x.com/therosieum/status/1913266914295513450
08:45:10 <midipoet> i am not convinced we are 'that much' different. we can pretend we are, but i think that is probably just a form of denial. 
08:45:58 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i mean we arent
08:46:25 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> we have a bunch of basically core devs
08:50:03 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> in this "timeline" monero would be at Aristocracy
08:50:23 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> but its easy to join that "aristocracy" if you want to
08:50:29 <m-relay> <c​t:xmr.mx> midipoet we have an interesting balance because our whales dont get passive interest by sitting on their stack, and they can't exactly cash out either. Their only winning move is to support development that may hold/improve value. Yet they dont have time or skill to do it themselfs.
08:50:30 <m-relay> <c​t:xmr.mx> Devs and community on the other hand can improve stuff, but lack funding. If we want funding, our actions must align with whales interests. Fortunately right now its a symbiotic relationship
08:51:25 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> >The "Ecosystem Fund" Phase (Oligarchy)
08:51:32 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> we are too poor for that anyways
08:51:39 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> >The "DAO Revolution" Phase (Democracy)
08:51:48 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> DAO is basically the same thing
08:51:59 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> >The "Twitter Tantrum" Phase (Ochlocracy)
08:52:17 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> i know someone who tried that and we shut that shit down :D
08:52:58 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/QREKqahYRnRXyTVtKmIRwvDi
08:53:13 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> this is by far the best option out of everything in that thread
08:54:47 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> "it's open source, bro. just read the code." - 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥🔥🔥
09:08:34 <midipoet> to be honest, i think we have gone through at least one full cycle. 
09:18:24 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> nah we didnt have the fake token democracy
09:18:40 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> never mattered how much xmr anyone had
09:29:13 <midipoet> oh, i don't know. i have seen some things pass through the CCS on the request of large/dominant/wealthy ecosystem players
09:29:41 <midipoet> admittedly though, i am not sure if the same sort of pressure has applied to the codebase (probably not)
09:30:21 <plowsof> yes, supposed whales join here telling which proposal / how much they donated to it and share their opinion 
15:33:48 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Monero doesn't fit neatly into that cycle model, but there is some resemblance. Core hires Diego --> community gets angry --> Diego terminated --> CCS more "democratic", yet less accountable --> plowsof community-funded to bring more order and accountability to the CCS.
15:34:30 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Actually Diego sort of got hired again, so that's a cycle of something.
16:17:18 <m-relay> <m​idipoet:matrix.org> Yes
16:35:51 <plowsof> Rucknium: and the next step -> plowsof has the urge to drop "CCS coordinator" title/role and move into a broader 'help the project' one 
16:36:19 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> I read that in monero.observer
16:36:34 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Back to the democratic revolution
16:43:32 <nioc> https://rucknium.me/donate/
16:45:32 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Thanks, nioc
16:46:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof's just having a midlife crisis
17:05:59 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Could have something to do with plowsof being verbally abused
17:17:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> lol
17:17:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (intentional lowercase)
17:18:28 <plowsof> Well thats neither here nor there as it was clearly listed under perks of the job (along with the fruit bowl and chilled water) 
17:19:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> thats the spirit
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