05:36:51 is there something more sinister going on with p2pool mini? any truth to this "deliberately withholding blocks" accusation cc sech1 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1kizm5j/something_definitely_fishy_going_on/ 05:49:36 reading #p2pool-log:monero.social backlog does not suggest anything along these lines, other than tari blindly sending hashes to p2pool mini 06:31:32 Wait.... That's a Tari wallet, as in, a Monero wallet used by the Tari network as a whole? 06:31:32 If that's the case, then the issue is most likely at some config, not a malicious miner 07:43:45 Just a glitch on the observer, now then 12:40:36 Bisq themselves are making easy mobile apps https://bisq.network/blog/mobile-app-survey/ , considering haveno is a fork of bisq, the haveno mobile app being a fork of bisqs' seems logical (then people can have 4 ~ mobile apps to choose from 😅) 12:42:54 https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq-mobile 12:44:12 > To achieve this goal, we are building a total of 3 mobile apps that can be divided in 2 categories: 12:44:13 ~6? To choose from 🥲 13:10:34 neromonero1024 i dont think that 200mh or whatever is from Tari, at all 13:11:27 and its possible that they are submitting their own blocks via solo-mining, and stealing the p2pool blocks 13:12:40 If found share greater than network difficulty then fwd to rpc 13:12:40 Else fwd to p2pool 13:33:36 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/RnRTHbaYFNOSjboTLOdJoUlK 13:34:24 posting as screenshot, reddit blocks the VPN/Tor 14:04:42 ofrnxmr they are mining Tari. And they do find Monero blocks and submit them. 14:05:58 The power of trends 14:19:20 So its its a tari botnet? 14:19:48 Otherwise why are all rewards going to 1 address 14:20:49 me when im having a mining pool for mining in p2pool mining pool be like 14:27:01 I thought id be able to find the p2pool address in taris github repo somewhere 14:28:37 I dunno anything about Tari but it'd make more sense if that's a multisig wallet created by the coordination of the Tari nodes 14:31:19 Perhaps a few of the investors like Messi and Paris Hilton are signers 14:32:02 'why mining to 1 address / how/where is this address set or forced upon tari miners' is da Q 14:36:13 [CCS Proposals] Xavier 2022 opened merge request #584: Preliminary Construction of Monero Sidechain with Embedded Smart Contracts https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/584 14:42:16 Nack pre fcmp 14:43:04 I just want FCMP++ to be shipped on mainnet so that we can start thinking about post quantum cryptography 14:46:46 [CCS Proposals] plowsoff closed merge request #584: Preliminary Construction of Monero Sidechain with Embedded Smart Contracts https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/584 14:46:48 MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON TIME BOIS 14:48:42 Hahahahahahahahaha plowsof, yhank you 🙇‍♂️ 14:48:51 i was going to say it looks like slop, but wasnt sure if i was still traumatized from the i2p pr 14:50:00 🧟 🐥 15:36:49 Chicken Jackie did the space proposal? 15:37:11 yes 15:46:43 Bro hungry for some CCS funding xD 15:55:47 He should have never lowered form 30000xmr 15:58:25 meeting in this room in 2 minutes https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1201 16:00:20 Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1201 16:00:25 Greetings everyone 16:00:41 Hi 16:00:56 why so much hash rate all of a sudden https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/monero-hashrate.html#alltime 16:01:24 greets 16:02:03 What’s the blockchain that wanted to deliberating 51% xmr? That sech mentioned. 16:02:06 and the p2pool mini whale has been revealed as being Tari https://mini.p2pool.observer/miners?weekly , perhaps datahoarder could pull some strings behind the scenes and add the alias manually to avoid confusion? 16:02:15 What’s the blockchain that wanted to deliberately 51% xmr? That sech mentioned. 16:03:24 indeed, "They're literally trying to 51% https://p2pool.io/u/d942b8e353666b71/image.png " via sech1 16:03:52 oh, it IS mini plowsof? links to that? I can flag it down if you have a specific source that shows their address in use 16:03:56 the name though? 😆 16:04:25 ah hello DataHoarder, there is some backlog in #p2pool 16:05:00 in #p2pool-log, also, there is apparentlya bug in the p2pool observer 16:05:15 Yeah them. Not Tari right? 16:05:28 not tari no, hmmmmmm 16:05:30 the bug is known, unrelated to this. Have been having issues with monerod and fetching output indices 16:05:54 (blocks are still detected to be mined/main blocks, just can't fetch the outputs properly) 16:06:39 Well Tari counteracts them. But def 2 chains pumping up xmr hash. 16:07:00 ah thanks DH, sech1/xmrvsbeast have confirmed it is tari, and feel they have made an error in judgement - did not expect so many hashes 16:07:20 Its broken, clearly 16:07:22 P2pool miners are supposed to have their own monero addresses. Tari even (afaik) generates a new monero address for you. So it shouldnt be throwing 200mh at one address unless something in misconfigured 16:07:24 Or unless its a "single" miner, in which case its not "tari" mining, but a miner/farm/botnet that mines tari. Or tari runs a centealized pool ontop of p2pool like aterx or minexmr2 16:07:34 let's talk after the meeting is done - and yeah, they should have definitely just used p2pool main (not mini) besides fuzzy feelings on using mini 16:07:37 Obv matrix had to be slow 16:07:45 Sent those messages like 4mins ago 16:08:01 👍️ 16:08:38 also, Cuprate update v0.0.3 http://monero.observer/hinto-janai-releases-cuprated-v0.0.3-molybdenite/ 16:08:43 I didn't confirm "it was tari" 16:08:56 I only confirmed the miner merge mined Tari 16:09:02 is it only a hypothesis at this point? 16:09:13 DataHoarder looks like supportxmr is down 16:09:17 No, I analyzed merge mining tag in tx_extra of their shares 16:09:21 ahh apologies for the error , so this is totally unrelated to the Tari project? 16:09:21 that can be known with certainty ^ 16:09:25 So not a hypothesis 16:09:40 They're definitely merge mining _something_ 16:09:53 And this _something_ must be Tari because there is no other option at the moment 16:09:57 ok Tari "project" are not involved - like the official tari binaries 16:10:01 \* scary music starts to play \* 16:10:03 No 16:10:12 It's some individual with rented hashrate merge mining Tari 16:10:27 They're probably gambling that they can pay back the rental with mined XMR 16:10:30 yeah thanks, i been spreading fud about the Project , Sorry FP 16:10:31 and get Tari coins in the process 16:10:51 ok, I hadn't missed anything then plowsof, this is the backlog I know :) 16:10:56 And so far they're successful because XMR went up in price, so they will be able to pay the rental 16:10:56 thanks for investigating and confirming this 16:11:26 side note: i wonder if any high fee tx's have appeared during this rental 16:11:28 i tried to reach out to one of supportxmr admin but no response 16:11:56 Nanopool is 38% of the hash right now as a result of support being offline 16:12:10 sech1 so its a bit like someone farming an airdrop with a sybil? 16:12:43 there's no sybil 16:12:48 they just have a lot of hashrate 16:12:55 Ah, an airdrop 16:13:19 some people do professional airdrop farming 16:13:39 ah, from the supportxmr chat, mining is apparently OK, just the API is being DDosD 16:13:40 they make tons of wallets and do transfers / activity that is likely to be rewarded 16:13:48 ahhhh 16:14:00 Here, they just rented a lot of hashrate to mine Tari 16:14:06 plowsof, the blocks found dont look like sxmrs ok 16:14:08 and they get mined XMR to pay for the rent 16:14:19 this could be a similar pattern / motivation 16:14:25 it can be a self-sustainable process if the rental price is not too high, or as long as XMR keeps going up in price 16:14:35 Nah 16:14:47 Tari airdrop has nothing to do with transactions 16:15:09 Someone definitely rented hash to merge mine 16:15:10 ofrnxmr but an admin said its ok 😭😭 16:15:17 monerobull: I know. just gave this as an example to explain the concept. 16:15:43 there is a whole subculture related to airdrop farming 16:16:00 And sometimes it works 16:16:03 so tari has 2 mining algorithms. i wonders if its more profitable to rent SHA3 or RandomX hashes? i have no idea 16:16:15 I wish I had airdrop farmed hyperliquid 16:16:47 For sure sha3 16:17:04 Because of AI hype, you can rent 4060s for 15 cents an hour 16:17:21 SHA3 can be mined on FPGAs and ASICs 16:17:33 so the profit incentive would be to do this with sha3 perhaps? tbh i have no idea 16:17:35 it's a matter of time before GPUs are non-competitive there 16:18:02 Also depends on how the algos are weighted (idk how they are) 16:18:18 50/50 16:18:30 hash per hash 50:50? 16:18:48 Sounds unreasonable / unlikely 16:18:59 Targeted distribution is 50/50 16:19:10 tokenomics of tari / mining uhhh all i know is Messi and Paris hilton make moneys if tari pumps so thats re assuring xD 16:19:23 lil wayne hopefully too 16:19:26 https://airdrop.tari.com/tokenomics 16:19:29 😂 16:19:39 "Network rewards are split 50/50, with half of the Tari block reward going towards merge mining performed with the RandomX hashing algorithm and 50% of the block rewards going to Tari standalone miners using the SHA3x hashing algorithm. " 16:20:34 Yeah, so regardless of randomx hash, randomx gets 50% of the block reward 16:20:49 s 16:21:36 so sha doesnt have an advantage. Sounds like 2 difficulties are at play. Ok enough premine token talk :D 16:22:09 any other highlights as of late? News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) 16:22:20 ofrnxmr both algos target 4 minute per block 16:22:38 so Tari gets blocks every 2 minutes on average, with 50/50 distribution between RandomX and SHA3 16:23:36 Nice 16:24:24 perfect daemon, anon, ooo123ooo123 has been paid for his services to the monero project 16:25:11 aremor is here, hello sir 16:25:26 shall we move on to the Haveno APP ccs idea? 16:26:11 sure 16:26:24 close 16:26:29 4. [CCS updates](https://ccs.getmonero.org/) 16:26:30 too good to be true 16:26:39 a. [Haveno App (Cross Platform)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/570) 16:26:54 i don't want to live in a world in which an haveno app does exist 16:27:13 this ccs proposal might succeed and thats an issue 16:27:14 doesnt? 😄 16:27:17 There was a reddit thread where the idea got lots of support 16:27:22 ohhh 16:27:55 8,500 views and no negative comments 16:27:58 https://github.com/atsamd21/Haveno-app syn 16:28:09 thx 16:28:17 Thats a different one 16:28:27 ig its over 16:28:32 well then +1 for aremor 16:28:35 bisq users will get an app soon too https://bisq.network/blog/mobile-app-survey/ 16:28:48 \> Bisq Easy Mobile 16:28:49 I assume it works but havent tried it 16:28:49 how soon? 16:28:54 \> thumbnail shows Bisq Desktop 16:29:00 Bisq has 3 apps in the works 16:29:01 bisq does tend to move pretty slowly 16:29:15 like java? HAHAHAHAHA 16:29:23 one of them connects to bisw desktoo 16:29:32 this joke was sponsored by the rustacean gang 16:29:38 Haveno is Java =( 16:29:47 at this point, i'm working on milestone 3 out of 5 16:29:55 https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq-mobile 16:29:56 sorry plowsof i don't hear you im under a tunnel 16:30:18 "I assume it works but havent tried it" - can't compile it on linux 16:30:38 its nice to see that people still have an interest in the Haveno APP's scene after qtip 16:31:22 Even qtip lootspam still does 16:31:57 how many approvals are needed to go into funding? 16:32:46 thats too awkward to ask about 16:32:49 thanks though 16:32:59 enough to make it look like it would be funded 16:33:08 'this many' 16:33:25 lol shouldn't it be defined somewhere? 16:33:39 it goes on 'vibez'? 16:33:43 no, numbers arent concrete. You can have 20 upvotes and not get funding 16:33:55 how long have you been around for again? welcome to the CCS 16:34:00 its on the proposer to rally support 16:34:39 its also on the proposer to raise the funds 16:34:51 before the idea is approved, there is no contract? 16:35:05 so i can distribute the app before the proposal is approved? 16:35:10 because at this point, it's almost done 16:35:18 ive not signed anything 16:35:32 yea, you can do whatever you like before it goes to funding 16:35:33 (distribute without source code, I mean) 16:35:46 Has to be foss at time it goes to funding though 16:35:51 Oh, nk 16:36:10 ? 16:36:15 it being closed source will nacks on the proposal 16:36:19 distirbute closed source haveno app binaries, yes you can do that, but you've bee around for long enough to know how that would be perceived right?? 16:36:33 or do i have to bank my head on this desk 16:36:36 bang 16:36:45 i'm asking because the proposal is not currrently approved 16:36:55 if it was approved, i know the rules 16:36:59 its an easy way to have the proposal closed, and have nobody trust your work 16:37:14 It has to be foss at all stages 16:37:20 Including the idea stage 16:37:29 to garner support, i can put the app in the app store for millions to see the value in it 16:37:42 You can release binaries, but not w/o the source and a proper license 16:37:51 close the idea - release closed source binaries - re-open proposal 😆 16:38:03 If its not foss, proposal should be closed 16:38:18 Reopen when you decide to go foss 16:38:26 ok, i can see how that goes 16:38:34 haveno is agpl licensed 16:38:36 there are vibe coders waiting to poach the code so i understand 16:38:59 but do you realise the audible HISSING sound of all the cats reading this when yo usuggest anythig closed source? 16:39:22 again, only asking because it's currently not approved 16:39:30 Yeah. Foss at all stages 16:39:55 Technically supposed to be "permissive", but i think were allowing copyleft 16:40:46 4 stages. Idea, funding, wip, completed 16:41:19 is there any feedback to the proposal? 16:41:22 agpl is copyleft so sources have to be distributed with the release 16:41:43 agpl is copyleft sources have to be distributed with the release 16:41:43 I mostly get support & silence, so not really aware of why it's not moving forward 16:42:24 i suppose alot of devs are tuned out of the haveno app scene because of kewbit cloud of drama 16:43:09 Not juat devs 16:43:27 Usually therr are 10s of people commenting on haveno related stuff 16:43:42 Theres like 0 commenting on this proposal 16:44:03 we're all devs, i decided to promote us all 16:44:15 thx plowsof 16:44:33 its not a passive environment 16:44:37 Go rally support 16:44:52 do note, no negative comments 16:44:52 there are comments, all positive 16:45:51 Tor connection is lagging 16:45:52 batting 100% 16:46:00 hm 16:46:29 on reddit & getmonero.org 16:47:58 so you're saying, if it were not for qtip, it would probably be approved already? 16:48:56 Nah, i'm saying that theres almost no activity on the proposal 16:49:27 No known handles (need to check again] have shown support on the proposal 16:49:29 if we do nothing - haveno apps will appear with or without you, the sad truth 16:49:38 i'm replying to "i suppose alot ofdevs are tuned out of the haveno app scene because of kewbit cloud of drama" 16:49:59 And there are still 2 (maybe more) bounties available to be claimed 16:50:14 Yeah. Kewbit brought a lot of support 16:50:22 i know of one, but it's android only (mine is 5 platforms) 16:50:34 His marketing was top notch. his delivery, nkt so much 16:50:37 6 actually 16:51:19 also, it's for an idea of an android node, which is going to have problems getting into app stores 16:52:23 bisq's thin clients are for fdroid 16:52:43 app stores be like: YOU WILL USE A KYC COMPANY SERVER FOR YOUR WEB-WRAPPED APP AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY 16:53:06 idk how long people have followed bisq, but it's an incredibly slow moving project 16:53:17 they release an idea, we can expect it 3 years later 16:54:14 "I've been writing software for 20 years now. I've independently published to the App Store before and shipped mobile games with large publishers, just to name a few." sadly we can't ask for proof i assume as this would dox you? - and then we have your code contributions - have any devs came forward to recommend you with their seal of approval (as was done for qbit?) 16:55:03 In DMs, yes 16:55:21 I've already doxxed myself 16:56:28 ah ok, promising that you can prove this. as for dev(s) who can come forward and recommend your skills - that would be the bare minimum for any new dev/contributor on the ccs, some kind of solid referral - this process did not work for qbit though as we got burned 16:57:09 "promising that you can prove this" - which one? 16:57:17 or to review your previous contributions to the haveno project - who can we ask to provide a dossier about them 16:57:28 your work experience outside of monero* 16:57:39 you can ask Woodser about that. I've done several PRs with him. 16:57:51 everything he's gone over has been good 16:58:14 is it a centralized pool? 16:58:22 oh, i'll DM my linkedin to whoever 16:58:41 although anyone going through that proposal can find it 17:00:53 plowsof where do you want these items? 17:02:27 thats the problem, the things i mention, proof of work / referral are only the first hurdle, the other stuff, nebulous consensus - known contributors have more weight than people looking at a reddit thread showing a nice project 17:03:26 ok, so that's also desired. anything else? 17:03:30 i can work on that one also 17:04:10 s/the first hurdle/a nice to have/ 17:04:12 Not a dealbreaker/maker 17:04:28 another benefit would basically be slandering atsamd21's project, perhaps stating why yours is better 17:04:58 who here is going to maintain a c# problem? 17:05:06 not actually slandering, just saying it like that for comedic effect, but with many options available to the community, there needs to be some kind of 'why your project' 17:05:22 literally cannot be maintained on linux 17:05:58 s/problem/project 17:06:00 Bro is literally right 17:06:03 The problem we're avoiding is what happens if it is not successfully funded 17:06:44 correct me if i'm wrong, that just means i don't receive the total amount, right? 17:06:46