05:36:51 is there something more sinister going on with p2pool mini? any truth to this "deliberately withholding blocks" accusation cc sech1 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1kizm5j/something_definitely_fishy_going_on/ 05:49:36 reading #p2pool-log:monero.social backlog does not suggest anything along these lines, other than tari blindly sending hashes to p2pool mini 06:31:32 Wait.... That's a Tari wallet, as in, a Monero wallet used by the Tari network as a whole? 06:31:32 If that's the case, then the issue is most likely at some config, not a malicious miner 07:43:45 Just a glitch on the observer, now then 12:40:36 Bisq themselves are making easy mobile apps https://bisq.network/blog/mobile-app-survey/ , considering haveno is a fork of bisq, the haveno mobile app being a fork of bisqs' seems logical (then people can have 4 ~ mobile apps to choose from 😅) 12:42:54 https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq-mobile 12:44:12 > To achieve this goal, we are building a total of 3 mobile apps that can be divided in 2 categories: 12:44:13 ~6? To choose from 🥲 13:10:34 neromonero1024 i dont think that 200mh or whatever is from Tari, at all 13:11:27 and its possible that they are submitting their own blocks via solo-mining, and stealing the p2pool blocks 13:12:40 If found share greater than network difficulty then fwd to rpc 13:12:40 Else fwd to p2pool 13:33:36 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/monero.social/RnRTHbaYFNOSjboTLOdJoUlK 13:34:24 posting as screenshot, reddit blocks the VPN/Tor 14:04:42 ofrnxmr they are mining Tari. And they do find Monero blocks and submit them. 14:05:58 The power of trends 14:19:20 So its its a tari botnet? 14:19:48 Otherwise why are all rewards going to 1 address 14:20:49 me when im having a mining pool for mining in p2pool mining pool be like 14:27:01 I thought id be able to find the p2pool address in taris github repo somewhere 14:28:37 I dunno anything about Tari but it'd make more sense if that's a multisig wallet created by the coordination of the Tari nodes 14:31:19 Perhaps a few of the investors like Messi and Paris Hilton are signers 14:32:02 'why mining to 1 address / how/where is this address set or forced upon tari miners' is da Q 14:36:13 [CCS Proposals] Xavier 2022 opened merge request #584: Preliminary Construction of Monero Sidechain with Embedded Smart Contracts https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/584 14:42:16 Nack pre fcmp 14:43:04 I just want FCMP++ to be shipped on mainnet so that we can start thinking about post quantum cryptography 14:46:46 [CCS Proposals] plowsoff closed merge request #584: Preliminary Construction of Monero Sidechain with Embedded Smart Contracts https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/584 14:46:48 MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON TIME BOIS 14:48:42 Hahahahahahahahaha plowsof, yhank you 🙇‍♂️ 14:48:51 i was going to say it looks like slop, but wasnt sure if i was still traumatized from the i2p pr 14:50:00 🧟 🐥 15:36:49 Chicken Jackie did the space proposal? 15:37:11 yes 15:46:43 Bro hungry for some CCS funding xD 15:55:47 He should have never lowered form 30000xmr 15:58:25 meeting in this room in 2 minutes https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1201 16:00:20 Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1201 16:00:25 Greetings everyone 16:00:41 Hi 16:00:56 why so much hash rate all of a sudden https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/monero-hashrate.html#alltime 16:01:24 greets 16:02:03 What’s the blockchain that wanted to deliberating 51% xmr? That sech mentioned. 16:02:06 and the p2pool mini whale has been revealed as being Tari https://mini.p2pool.observer/miners?weekly , perhaps datahoarder could pull some strings behind the scenes and add the alias manually to avoid confusion? 16:02:15 What’s the blockchain that wanted to deliberately 51% xmr? That sech mentioned. 16:03:24 indeed, "They're literally trying to 51% https://p2pool.io/u/d942b8e353666b71/image.png " via sech1 16:03:52 oh, it IS mini plowsof? links to that? I can flag it down if you have a specific source that shows their address in use 16:03:56 the name though? 😆 16:04:25 ah hello DataHoarder, there is some backlog in #p2pool 16:05:00 in #p2pool-log, also, there is apparentlya bug in the p2pool observer 16:05:15 Yeah them. Not Tari right? 16:05:28 not tari no, hmmmmmm 16:05:30 the bug is known, unrelated to this. Have been having issues with monerod and fetching output indices 16:05:54 (blocks are still detected to be mined/main blocks, just can't fetch the outputs properly) 16:06:39 Well Tari counteracts them. But def 2 chains pumping up xmr hash. 16:07:00 ah thanks DH, sech1/xmrvsbeast have confirmed it is tari, and feel they have made an error in judgement - did not expect so many hashes 16:07:20 Its broken, clearly 16:07:22 P2pool miners are supposed to have their own monero addresses. Tari even (afaik) generates a new monero address for you. So it shouldnt be throwing 200mh at one address unless something in misconfigured 16:07:24 Or unless its a "single" miner, in which case its not "tari" mining, but a miner/farm/botnet that mines tari. Or tari runs a centealized pool ontop of p2pool like aterx or minexmr2 16:07:34 let's talk after the meeting is done - and yeah, they should have definitely just used p2pool main (not mini) besides fuzzy feelings on using mini 16:07:37 Obv matrix had to be slow 16:07:45 Sent those messages like 4mins ago 16:08:01 👍️ 16:08:38 also, Cuprate update v0.0.3 http://monero.observer/hinto-janai-releases-cuprated-v0.0.3-molybdenite/ 16:08:43 I didn't confirm "it was tari" 16:08:56 I only confirmed the miner merge mined Tari 16:09:02 is it only a hypothesis at this point? 16:09:13 DataHoarder looks like supportxmr is down 16:09:17 No, I analyzed merge mining tag in tx_extra of their shares 16:09:21 ahh apologies for the error , so this is totally unrelated to the Tari project? 16:09:21 that can be known with certainty ^ 16:09:25 So not a hypothesis 16:09:40 They're definitely merge mining _something_ 16:09:53 And this _something_ must be Tari because there is no other option at the moment 16:09:57 ok Tari "project" are not involved - like the official tari binaries 16:10:01 \* scary music starts to play \* 16:10:03 No 16:10:12 It's some individual with rented hashrate merge mining Tari 16:10:27 They're probably gambling that they can pay back the rental with mined XMR 16:10:30 yeah thanks, i been spreading fud about the Project , Sorry FP 16:10:31 and get Tari coins in the process 16:10:51 ok, I hadn't missed anything then plowsof, this is the backlog I know :) 16:10:56 And so far they're successful because XMR went up in price, so they will be able to pay the rental 16:10:56 thanks for investigating and confirming this 16:11:26 side note: i wonder if any high fee tx's have appeared during this rental 16:11:28 i tried to reach out to one of supportxmr admin but no response 16:11:56 Nanopool is 38% of the hash right now as a result of support being offline 16:12:10 sech1 so its a bit like someone farming an airdrop with a sybil? 16:12:43 there's no sybil 16:12:48 they just have a lot of hashrate 16:12:55 Ah, an airdrop 16:13:19 some people do professional airdrop farming 16:13:39 ah, from the supportxmr chat, mining is apparently OK, just the API is being DDosD 16:13:40 they make tons of wallets and do transfers / activity that is likely to be rewarded 16:13:48 ahhhh 16:14:00 Here, they just rented a lot of hashrate to mine Tari 16:14:06 plowsof, the blocks found dont look like sxmrs ok 16:14:08 and they get mined XMR to pay for the rent 16:14:19 this could be a similar pattern / motivation 16:14:25 it can be a self-sustainable process if the rental price is not too high, or as long as XMR keeps going up in price 16:14:35 Nah 16:14:47 Tari airdrop has nothing to do with transactions 16:15:09 Someone definitely rented hash to merge mine 16:15:10 ofrnxmr but an admin said its ok 😭😭 16:15:17 monerobull: I know. just gave this as an example to explain the concept. 16:15:43 there is a whole subculture related to airdrop farming 16:16:00 And sometimes it works 16:16:03 so tari has 2 mining algorithms. i wonders if its more profitable to rent SHA3 or RandomX hashes? i have no idea 16:16:15 I wish I had airdrop farmed hyperliquid 16:16:47 For sure sha3 16:17:04 Because of AI hype, you can rent 4060s for 15 cents an hour 16:17:21 SHA3 can be mined on FPGAs and ASICs 16:17:33 so the profit incentive would be to do this with sha3 perhaps? tbh i have no idea 16:17:35 it's a matter of time before GPUs are non-competitive there 16:18:02 Also depends on how the algos are weighted (idk how they are) 16:18:18 50/50 16:18:30 hash per hash 50:50? 16:18:48 Sounds unreasonable / unlikely 16:18:59 Targeted distribution is 50/50 16:19:10 tokenomics of tari / mining uhhh all i know is Messi and Paris hilton make moneys if tari pumps so thats re assuring xD 16:19:23 lil wayne hopefully too 16:19:26 https://airdrop.tari.com/tokenomics 16:19:29 😂 16:19:39 "Network rewards are split 50/50, with half of the Tari block reward going towards merge mining performed with the RandomX hashing algorithm and 50% of the block rewards going to Tari standalone miners using the SHA3x hashing algorithm. " 16:20:34 Yeah, so regardless of randomx hash, randomx gets 50% of the block reward 16:20:49 s 16:21:36 so sha doesnt have an advantage. Sounds like 2 difficulties are at play. Ok enough premine token talk :D 16:22:09 any other highlights as of late? News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) 16:22:20 ofrnxmr both algos target 4 minute per block 16:22:38 so Tari gets blocks every 2 minutes on average, with 50/50 distribution between RandomX and SHA3 16:23:36 Nice 16:24:24 perfect daemon, anon, ooo123ooo123 has been paid for his services to the monero project 16:25:11 aremor is here, hello sir 16:25:26 shall we move on to the Haveno APP ccs idea? 16:26:11 sure 16:26:24 close 16:26:29 4. [CCS updates](https://ccs.getmonero.org/) 16:26:30 too good to be true 16:26:39 a. [Haveno App (Cross Platform)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/570) 16:26:54 i don't want to live in a world in which an haveno app does exist 16:27:13 this ccs proposal might succeed and thats an issue 16:27:14 doesnt? 😄 16:27:17 There was a reddit thread where the idea got lots of support 16:27:22 ohhh 16:27:55 8,500 views and no negative comments 16:27:58 https://github.com/atsamd21/Haveno-app syn 16:28:09 thx 16:28:17 Thats a different one 16:28:27 ig its over 16:28:32 well then +1 for aremor 16:28:35 bisq users will get an app soon too https://bisq.network/blog/mobile-app-survey/ 16:28:48 \> Bisq Easy Mobile 16:28:49 I assume it works but havent tried it 16:28:49 how soon? 16:28:54 \> thumbnail shows Bisq Desktop 16:29:00 Bisq has 3 apps in the works 16:29:01 bisq does tend to move pretty slowly 16:29:15 like java? HAHAHAHAHA 16:29:23 one of them connects to bisw desktoo 16:29:32 this joke was sponsored by the rustacean gang 16:29:38 Haveno is Java =( 16:29:47 at this point, i'm working on milestone 3 out of 5 16:29:55 https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq-mobile 16:29:56 sorry plowsof i don't hear you im under a tunnel 16:30:18 "I assume it works but havent tried it" - can't compile it on linux 16:30:38 its nice to see that people still have an interest in the Haveno APP's scene after qtip 16:31:22 Even qtip lootspam still does 16:31:57 how many approvals are needed to go into funding? 16:32:46 thats too awkward to ask about 16:32:49 thanks though 16:32:59 enough to make it look like it would be funded 16:33:08 'this many' 16:33:25 lol shouldn't it be defined somewhere? 16:33:39 it goes on 'vibez'? 16:33:43 no, numbers arent concrete. You can have 20 upvotes and not get funding 16:33:55 how long have you been around for again? welcome to the CCS 16:34:00 its on the proposer to rally support 16:34:39 its also on the proposer to raise the funds 16:34:51 before the idea is approved, there is no contract? 16:35:05 so i can distribute the app before the proposal is approved? 16:35:10 because at this point, it's almost done 16:35:18 ive not signed anything 16:35:32 yea, you can do whatever you like before it goes to funding 16:35:33 (distribute without source code, I mean) 16:35:46 Has to be foss at time it goes to funding though 16:35:51 Oh, nk 16:36:10 ? 16:36:15 it being closed source will nacks on the proposal 16:36:19 distirbute closed source haveno app binaries, yes you can do that, but you've bee around for long enough to know how that would be perceived right?? 16:36:33 or do i have to bank my head on this desk 16:36:36 bang 16:36:45 i'm asking because the proposal is not currrently approved 16:36:55 if it was approved, i know the rules 16:36:59 its an easy way to have the proposal closed, and have nobody trust your work 16:37:14 It has to be foss at all stages 16:37:20 Including the idea stage 16:37:29 to garner support, i can put the app in the app store for millions to see the value in it 16:37:42 You can release binaries, but not w/o the source and a proper license 16:37:51 close the idea - release closed source binaries - re-open proposal 😆 16:38:03 If its not foss, proposal should be closed 16:38:18 Reopen when you decide to go foss 16:38:26 ok, i can see how that goes 16:38:34 haveno is agpl licensed 16:38:36 there are vibe coders waiting to poach the code so i understand 16:38:59 but do you realise the audible HISSING sound of all the cats reading this when yo usuggest anythig closed source? 16:39:22 again, only asking because it's currently not approved 16:39:30 Yeah. Foss at all stages 16:39:55 Technically supposed to be "permissive", but i think were allowing copyleft 16:40:46 4 stages. Idea, funding, wip, completed 16:41:19 is there any feedback to the proposal? 16:41:22 agpl is copyleft so sources have to be distributed with the release 16:41:43 agpl is copyleft sources have to be distributed with the release 16:41:43 I mostly get support & silence, so not really aware of why it's not moving forward 16:42:24 i suppose alot of devs are tuned out of the haveno app scene because of kewbit cloud of drama 16:43:09 Not juat devs 16:43:27 Usually therr are 10s of people commenting on haveno related stuff 16:43:42 Theres like 0 commenting on this proposal 16:44:03 we're all devs, i decided to promote us all 16:44:15 thx plowsof 16:44:33 its not a passive environment 16:44:37 Go rally support 16:44:52 do note, no negative comments 16:44:52 there are comments, all positive 16:45:51 Tor connection is lagging 16:45:52 batting 100% 16:46:00 hm 16:46:29 on reddit & getmonero.org 16:47:58 so you're saying, if it were not for qtip, it would probably be approved already? 16:48:56 Nah, i'm saying that theres almost no activity on the proposal 16:49:27 No known handles (need to check again] have shown support on the proposal 16:49:29 if we do nothing - haveno apps will appear with or without you, the sad truth 16:49:38 i'm replying to "i suppose alot ofdevs are tuned out of the haveno app scene because of kewbit cloud of drama" 16:49:59 And there are still 2 (maybe more) bounties available to be claimed 16:50:14 Yeah. Kewbit brought a lot of support 16:50:22 i know of one, but it's android only (mine is 5 platforms) 16:50:34 His marketing was top notch. his delivery, nkt so much 16:50:37 6 actually 16:51:19 also, it's for an idea of an android node, which is going to have problems getting into app stores 16:52:23 bisq's thin clients are for fdroid 16:52:43 app stores be like: YOU WILL USE A KYC COMPANY SERVER FOR YOUR WEB-WRAPPED APP AND YOU'LL BE HAPPY 16:53:06 idk how long people have followed bisq, but it's an incredibly slow moving project 16:53:17 they release an idea, we can expect it 3 years later 16:54:14 "I've been writing software for 20 years now. I've independently published to the App Store before and shipped mobile games with large publishers, just to name a few." sadly we can't ask for proof i assume as this would dox you? - and then we have your code contributions - have any devs came forward to recommend you with their seal of approval (as was done for qbit?) 16:55:03 In DMs, yes 16:55:21 I've already doxxed myself 16:56:28 ah ok, promising that you can prove this. as for dev(s) who can come forward and recommend your skills - that would be the bare minimum for any new dev/contributor on the ccs, some kind of solid referral - this process did not work for qbit though as we got burned 16:57:09 "promising that you can prove this" - which one? 16:57:17 or to review your previous contributions to the haveno project - who can we ask to provide a dossier about them 16:57:28 your work experience outside of monero* 16:57:39 you can ask Woodser about that. I've done several PRs with him. 16:57:51 everything he's gone over has been good 16:58:14 is it a centralized pool? 16:58:22 oh, i'll DM my linkedin to whoever 16:58:41 although anyone going through that proposal can find it 17:00:53 plowsof where do you want these items? 17:02:27 thats the problem, the things i mention, proof of work / referral are only the first hurdle, the other stuff, nebulous consensus - known contributors have more weight than people looking at a reddit thread showing a nice project 17:03:26 ok, so that's also desired. anything else? 17:03:30 i can work on that one also 17:04:10 s/the first hurdle/a nice to have/ 17:04:12 Not a dealbreaker/maker 17:04:28 another benefit would basically be slandering atsamd21's project, perhaps stating why yours is better 17:04:58 who here is going to maintain a c# problem? 17:05:06 not actually slandering, just saying it like that for comedic effect, but with many options available to the community, there needs to be some kind of 'why your project' 17:05:22 literally cannot be maintained on linux 17:05:58 s/problem/project 17:06:00 Bro is literally right 17:06:03 The problem we're avoiding is what happens if it is not successfully funded 17:06:44 correct me if i'm wrong, that just means i don't receive the total amount, right? 17:06:46 other aspect yes, achieving funding if put up 17:06:48 isnt that only a problem for me? 17:07:32 the c# project is also not seeking funding 17:08:19 That depends how you work your proposal. If you have a funding deadline and agree to complete work for less than requested etc. 17:08:38 Some people would abuse this and just abandon the project 17:09:12 that ship has sailed. i'm already on milestone three. so been working without funding for 2 months now. 17:09:33 How you word* your proposal 17:10:28 to be more clear, if approved, up to milestone three will be shipped without question, mainly because the app isn't very useful without everything defined up to that point. 17:14:32 thank you for attending / responding to the questions , as we're 14 mins over we can open end the meeting here 17:15:55 hm ... 17:16:01 still wanted to ask something 17:16:23 the open end is open, any other business? 17:16:28 this was the question. 17:16:50 4 irc , moment 17:17:11 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20250509#c524442 17:17:34 it is a rust wrapper for wallet2.cpp. I am wondering if there is demand for a monero-wallet-rpc replacement based on monero-serai / monero-oxide that is pure rust and not a wrapper for wallet2. Some concern was that the syncing uses a different endpoint from wallet2. I used the cuprate epee parsing crate in https://github.com/monerochan-ecosystem/monero-wallet-api to adapt the sy 17:17:34 ncing to use getblocks.bin as well. The issue is for me, my priority is indexedb / sqlite in ts backend storage of outputs + fetching in typescript as well. I could implement this in rust too so we get a rust only alternative monero-wallet-rpc as a crate / binary. The question is: is there demand for this? Maybe we can add this as an agenda item. So we can see if people want this 17:17:36 and if it makes sense for me to spend a bit of extra time on this. 17:17:45 I am wondering if there is demand for a monero-wallet-rpc replacement based on monero-serai / monero-oxide that is pure rust and not a wrapper for wallet2. Some concern was that the syncing uses a different endpoint from wallet2. I used the cuprate epee parsing crate in https://github.com/monerochan-ecosystem/monero-wallet-api to adapt the syncing to use getblocks.bin as well. Th 17:17:46 e issue is for me, my priority is indexedb / sqlite in ts backend storage of outputs + fetching in typescript as well. I could implement this in rust too so we get a rust only alternative monero-wallet-rpc as a crate / binary. The question is: is there demand for this? Maybe we can add this as an agenda item. So we can see if people want this and if it makes sense for me to spend 17:17:48 a bit of extra time on this. 17:17:56 edited, no no no 17:18:01 :D 17:18:16 the first sentence would be out of context lol 17:18:21 the monerlogs link takes irc to the question 17:19:01 perhaps something to share with boog900 / cuprate? if they are going to produce something like this? or plan to? 17:19:15 or need someone for the job 🫡 17:20:05 a chance to get more people tinkering with rust and monero development 17:20:19 also happy to contribute it back into the oxide repo if they want :D 17:20:54 "4 irc , moment" - much appreciated 17:26:36 I have heard monero-wallet-rpc can be unstable, so maybe having an alternative will be good. We have no plans for wallets under cuprate at the moment although it might be something we will do in the future 17:27:27 It was / is buggy, not unstable 17:28:21 Its a lot better now than it was 6 months ago 17:28:27 the rpc code is interleaved with the fetching to the daemon. I think there was a PR recently that adressed that a bit 17:28:35 People always just worked around the issues instead of fixing them 💢 17:28:36 (the concurrency is interleave) 17:28:49 (the concurrency is interleaved) 17:30:21 spirobel 1000 xmr proposal to create this, congrats 17:30:39 no its on me haha 17:30:46 It also didnt save wallets when closed, and forced resyncing 💀 17:30:49 So would make it appear very unresponsive 17:30:50 And would eat data 17:30:52 an end to da meeting, thank you all for attending and providing feedback 17:31:08 the monerokon irc bridge is working finally , woohoo 17:31:14 It also missed the top block when restoring, and would force a fast scan from checkpoints 17:31:22 Oh i thought it was over 17:31:53 0 mins since meeting has been over 17:31:57 and the hangup in the beginning when a daemon is set via command line arg 17:31:59 Thx 17:32:45 tz got that unresponsiveness during heavy load on the rpc wallet down 17:33:36 its sad that people wont let monero-wallet-rpc die so we can remake it in rust 17:34:06 0x fixed the other ones 17:34:56 👍️ 17:35:32 the gravity of walle2.cpp keeps it alive 17:35:47 its like a moon on planet wallet2 17:35:54 Lmao 17:35:56 I picture that meme where the guys are in a huddle, and gives the big thumbs up like "good for you" 17:36:15 i was going to suggest toilet aper on your shoe after leaving the washroom but planet/moon sounds nice 17:36:35 🌚 17:37:24 https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/etgXPIBeiXjqKhJeXjRaJuMo 17:37:33 ^ plowsof responding to my shoutout to 0x 18:04:13 Did Unstoppable ever respond to or acknowledge the CCS proposal? 18:39:21 No 18:42:19 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/532 18:43:37 Disnt you also have an issue on their git 18:44:16 Will close that lol https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/issues/7864 20:17:10 said graph: https://imgur.fsky.io/a/weAZVij