10:48:39 Now that xmr is up again maybe we can talk about haveno frontend ccs 🥴 10:49:02 im sure we could hire the old team right 10:49:04 RIGHT? 11:29:02 in my opinion, it doesn't make much sense to hire developers from the U.S. for an eventual new Haveno frontend; the price could be reduced by hiring skilled developers from western Europe, where wages are usually under €3000 / year for high-skilled jobs 11:30:00 western? you could even go lower at eastern 11:30:34 tho i agree with you. That would depend on how hard finding skilled devs ready to be paid in xmr would be tbh 11:33:36 3k/y in 'western' Europe? i think you're missing at least a zero there. And that'll be on the low end. 11:34:31 are we understimating the supply of typescript devs? 11:34:35 3k/month sorry 11:34:49 it's one of the highest wages 11:35:01 lol yeah i read 3k/m i didn't even saw you put year 11:35:04 i've heard in the US a skilled developer can easily earn 10k/month 11:35:38 just look at monero core devs CCS rates 11:43:25 I see Boog900 full time work on Cuprate (3 months) has $55 / hour, which is almost 9700$ / month for classic office work shift (8 hours a day, five days a week). If you multiply that by 50% (income taxes) it's 4800$ / month, which is considerably higher than an average developer in Italy. 11:43:26 I estimate about 25-30€/hour could be more than enough for a developer in western Europe, which is 4000-5000€ (2000-2500€ after they pay taxes) 11:44:16 it's still a lot, considering they aren't forced to actually work 8 hours a day and considering that UI development is not the hardest job 11:46:55 Usual rates are 40-300€ depending on industry. 25€ would get you a student or junior at best. Not sure about webdev tho, might be lower due to sheer oversaturation of work power. 11:51:16 i live in italy, 100€ / hour (17.6k€ / mo) is a bold overstatement for software developer salary, as I said most people is under 3k€/mo 11:52:27 junior/students don't earn 4400€ / month, they earn more like < 1500€ / month 11:54:55 Those rates are for freelance work, which most of the time will not be a 40h week. If you are fully employed it'd be a lower income, but the cost of hiring would still be the same due to taxes, insurance etc. 11:55:16 salary ≠ hourly cost. The latter includes cost for the employer such as office building, IT equipment, energy and dozens of other things 11:56:08 if you hire from an agency, you have to pay the overhead as well, even though the deleoper gets much less 11:56:45 freelance work is essentially being your own agency, and not including these overhead costs would be retarded 11:57:22 income tax is 40-50% in Italy if you are self-employed with VAT, I took it in account for the 25-30€/hr figure 11:57:56 income tax is up to 43% in Italy if you are self-employed with VAT, I took it in account for the 25-30€/hr figure 12:13:40 If monerod gives this kind of error messages, what does that mean and what to do about it? 12:13:42 ``` 12:13:44 libunbound[5768:0] error: udp connect failed: Invalid argument for [... ipv6 addr ...] port 53 12:13:46 ``` 12:18:03 sounds like an error with your local DNS, not monerod. also -> #monero , this isn't a support channel. 12:28:52 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Just hire a dev from an African nation 12:28:57 <3​21bob321:monero.social> Pay in beans 12:31:21 🫢 13:16:28 m-relay thanks, trying in the `#monero` room