01:52:29 <m-relay> <f​iatdemise:matrix.org> For the simulation tool, CCS seems to go right from building to analyzing effect of several new Monero features. Can there be an intermediate step? There were optimizations made after stressnet. How about simulation tool analyzes old version of Monero, and then someone compares results with what stressnet testing found? I'd like to prove it has useful results before trusting it on new stuff.
14:23:30 <plowsof> Openmonero https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1l5jkp2/openmonerocom_got_hacked_as_reported_in_their/
14:29:24 <plowsof> (not to be confused with the real openmonero project by moneroexamples gothub - opensource mymonero alternative) 
15:18:12 <plowsof> Meeting in 42mins https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1215
15:18:24 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what are minutes
15:45:40 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Very, very small hours of course
16:00:08 <plowsof> meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1215 
16:00:13 <plowsof> greetings!
16:01:28 <m-relay> <m​ichael:monero.social> Hello.
16:08:15 <plowsof> the most recent MRL meeting definitely a highlight worth noting https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1217 ... anti spy node PR's from rbrunner in combination with Rucknium, ArticMine looking into fcmp++ fee's, jbermans hands full with fcmp++ dev + related issues, tx relay v2 to reduce p2p traffic by 90% implemented by 0xfff and theorised
16:08:15 <plowsof> by boog900 i believe?  jeffro256 busy with carrot + hardware device stuff :D the recent xk security scope of work... all there. i have it on good authority that at least one community member had a smile put on his face after reading the meeting notes, good job everyone 
16:09:29 <plowsof> _MAGIC_ have commissioned audits for "__their__ FCMP++" upgrade :D 
16:10:04 <plowsof> https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ 
16:11:11 <plowsof> coincards rep responded to my comment inquiring about any support given https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/538#note_30228 
16:12:47 <plowsof> the bounty funds (27~xmr) have been transferred to the ccs2 wallet primary address and will soon be moved into the btcpay monero plugin fund raiser. 
16:13:14 <plowsof> its now at 100 xmr after stagnating around 44~, looking better now
16:15:14 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:kernal.eu> great to see them contributing
16:15:31 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:kernal.eu> both to the conversation and the wallet
16:16:52 <plowsof> there will be a small point release to fix some bugs per selsta https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9946
16:18:20 <plowsof> have i done the thing again where not many know about the meeting 🧑‍💻
16:19:28 <plowsof> https://www.monerokon.org/ 20th - 22nd June Prague get your tickets while they last 
16:21:52 <plowsof> Micheal, spirobel and my fellow lurkers, would we like anything else to be highlighted?
16:22:32 <plowsof> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1l4yx1a/fundraiser_to_develop_monero_fuzzing_harnesses/
16:24:29 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:kernal.eu> one noteable thing recently was that monero was covered at length on taiwanese tv
16:24:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I was distracted
16:24:49 <plowsof> Web Of Trust system for peer selection to be tested in cuprate allegedly cc syntheticbird boog900 
16:25:56 <plowsof> always nice to see monero mentioned in the wild spirobel. where they discussing the local village selling cookies that i see so often in kuno proposals to spread awareness
16:26:07 <plowsof> 👋ofrnxmr
16:27:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> new to-do list on fcmp++ by jberman. There are a few "chores" there that could be taken up by other folks
16:28:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/issues/53
16:28:16 <plowsof> QA testing also much appreciated , this guide is helpful for people to get involved https://github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/issues/47
16:28:32 <m-relay> <s​pirobel:kernal.eu> totally haha. It was about a taiwanese entrepreneur using monero https://x.com/spirobel/status/1927578781515964545 the framing of him was notably different from western sources. They highlighted his educational background and technical ability
16:29:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Chores such as: 
16:29:18 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> -Clean up CLI references to rings in UI
16:29:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - Clean up GUI references to rings
16:31:57 <plowsof> thanks for sharing spirobel, would never have seen this. so you're saying if i can reword a sentence here or there, even i could contribute to the future of monreo ofrnxmr 
16:35:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Haveno had a new gui update
16:35:47 <plowsof> also ofrnxmr has kicked off the QA testing of fcmp, with already an issue reported there in the to do list 👍 
16:36:00 <plowsof> the re-skin for haveno?
16:36:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> basicswap's (offer) market maker gui is "finished" and set to release any day now
16:37:01 <plowsof> atsamd21's haveno app kind of works.. some ui/ux roughness but trades can be made / accepted. remote node on a vps was painless and soon a local haveno node on the device (without termux) will be possible 
16:38:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Allows setting offers to track rates from a) coingecko b) the orderbook c) both d) either e) orderbook + fallback to minimum rate f) a static rate for those who want a fixed rate
16:38:03 <plowsof> people using stoppableswap gui, maybe have to manually update as there was an issue with the autoupdater in a recent version 😬
16:38:10 <plowsof> unstoppableswap*
16:38:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (no more reliance on external rates for market making)
16:38:28 <plowsof> 👏
16:39:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> At least US as update notifications :D lol. BSX still requires manual updating, no notifications aside from twitter or the matrix
16:40:46 <plowsof> manual updating by default for privacy gains / no calls home 💪 :)
16:40:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/xmr.mx/rkMammzNeBMfStgGJvFpaJOT
16:41:38 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> all the options in a pretty UI
16:41:53 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> plowsof nothings confirmed regarding WoT yet
16:42:29 <plowsof> thank you for confirming
16:42:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wide open Throttle? (jk)
16:43:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The dropped reliance on coingecko is the best part imo. That, and its now extremely easy to be a maker
16:43:39 <plowsof> 2 ccs proposals , lets cover em?
16:44:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Previously had to go through 3 screens of settings just to place a static order
16:44:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yea, lets
16:44:45 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> a. [selsta part-time monero development (3 months) (17)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/588)
16:45:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Merge
16:46:43 <plowsof> more of selsta, yes, also condolences for having to sift through AI hacker one slop 
16:46:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh, on subject of selsta and related news, h1 looking to add rules to tighten requirements for slop -- i mean, AI submissions https://github.com/monero-project/meta/pull/1211
16:47:06 <plowsof> 👍
16:47:33 <plowsof> im going to resubmit sytheticbids VRP updates PR and not add him as a co-author soon 
16:47:46 <plowsof> syntheticbirds
16:48:00 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof is psychic. I was thinking about the slop at the same time haha
16:48:08 <plowsof> 🤖
16:48:45 <plowsof> onward:
16:48:46 <plowsof>   b. [Monero Network Simulation Tool](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/589)    
16:50:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> re gingeropolous, imo its a proposal for mrl to decide on. iirc, there were other people interested in setting it up (so may be competition on the labor side of things)
16:51:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Whether competition or not, its probably something for -mrl or -dev to decide
16:51:30 <plowsof> there is a hardware upgrade , PSU and storage to the MRL (MRC?) machine. the other part is a project ginger wishes to undertake, im not sure if any other people will contribute or its just gingeropolous 
16:52:07 <m-relay> <g​ingeropolous:monero.social> yeah perhaps I shoulda split it, or called it like "summer work"
16:52:24 <plowsof> "As I don't know how challenging this work will be" makes me pause a little 
16:52:44 <plowsof> have you done something similar before? lets start there lol
16:54:33 <m-relay> <g​ingeropolous:monero.social> I mean, the way I see it, its getting two pieces of software to interact with each other. And the template is already there (how to get the eth daemon to talk with shadow), so its just going through that and getting monero to do it instead. regarding similarity, I think it will be akin to my work wrangling open source software used for genomics.
16:54:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is why i mention the competition part. I might be hallucinating, but i thought someone had mentioned knowledge of shadow and willingness / intent to get it done
16:55:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "Who" is escaping me atm
16:55:59 <m-relay> <g​ingeropolous:monero.social> Rucknium mentioned thinking about reaching out to the person that wrote ethshadow and potentially asking them to do it. but i don't think there has been movement on that
16:58:00 <m-relay> <g​ingeropolous:monero.social> i have been playing with rust a bit, and I've gotten things to work. not for this project though. some other wacky idea
16:58:28 <plowsof> thanks for clarifying ginger 
16:59:08 <m-relay> <g​ingeropolous:monero.social> i mean, i'm probably going to do this regardless..... so, if there's competition, then we'll have 2 versions.
17:00:27 <plowsof> unsurprisingly i have no idea what eth/shadow is
17:00:49 <m-relay> <g​ingeropolous:monero.social> it'd just be great to be able to tell my wife that i'm getting paid for it. Ultimately, each milestone is still dependent on progress. If the community ends up not satisfied with my progress at the milestones, i don't get paid.
17:01:20 <plowsof> i'd like to look to -dev -mrl to tell me what to think about it :( 
17:01:58 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ruck can add to mrl agenda?
17:02:10 <m-relay> <g​ingeropolous:monero.social> shadow is a network simulator, really meant for simulating tor afaiu. ethshadow is a program to interface shadow with ethereum, to simulate an ethereum network.
17:03:53 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah
17:04:33 <plowsof> thank you
17:05:22 <plowsof> Rucknium^ rbrunner^ reg adding this to meeting agendas
17:05:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think there might even be someone already usonf shadow for monero.
17:05:55 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> we'll see
17:06:07 <m-relay> <g​ingeropolous:monero.social> true
17:07:44 <m-relay> <m​ichael:monero.social> Thanks for the good meeting and good moderation plowsof , see you next time.
17:08:45 <m-relay> <g​ingeropolous:monero.social> thanks all!
17:08:56 <plowsof> Dankon michael , and all for attending :D 
19:49:39 <dukenukem> plowsof: why are we still creating community meeting agenda issues 4 days before meeting? please, as I was suggesting before, make them ahead of time. you could technically run the log bot and close current issue, open new one and schedule it for within two weeks; respects the bi-weekly modus operandi and allows me to include it in Revuo. Thanks!
19:49:53 <dukenukem> check issue timestamp on github if you wish. https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1215
19:50:29 <dukenukem> you can even leave it open all Saturday but log+close Sunday and new one for within 2 weeks right there and then. :D
19:50:37 <dukenukem> warm regards for Mr. Ice!
19:51:18 <dukenukem> who's coming to MoronoKon 5 in a couple weeks, sirs and dudettes? monerokon.org
19:51:39 <dukenukem> agenda is now available! schedule.monerokon.org