06:37:21 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> visit https://Monerokon.org , links for live stream. Day 2 https://schedule.monerokon.org/
06:38:09 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> begins in less than 30 mins. which is likely how long a pencilled in community meeting could last today https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1224
11:28:51 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> You'd have watch live on yt
11:28:51 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwuAnElkJnw
11:29:20 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Replay can be watched on invidious
15:10:07 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> https://x.com/MoneroMavrick/status/1936426048960241779
15:10:08 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Hmmm
15:11:34 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Ironic coming from someone that justify its political position within the community by pretending to be the most aware of Monero's current landscape
15:11:47 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> average maverick L
15:12:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> +1 ^
15:12:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He's the worst kind of grifter
15:12:50 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> doesnt know anything about monero, and wants that influencer money
15:13:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He talks about creating a wallet, with his primary influence being the worst wallet in monero history (exodus)
15:14:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even the xmrmap is retarded. He claimed just a week or 2 ago that cake was popular because of him. A few weeks before that, he was shilling cake
15:14:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Now cake is ass, _because i guarantee he's about to ask for $$$ to create a magic new wallet_
15:15:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And going to run to fiverr to do the kewbit dance and vibe code some pretty looking trash
15:16:02 <plowsof> yes if the only wallet that exists is this one : https://web.getmonero.org/generator/  ... no Qr codes for syncing the cold wallet, have to walk back and forth with a usb stick,,, UI nightmare if this is true we have a long way to go, and this , xmrmap? is going to help us (whats xmrmap) 
15:17:04 <plowsof> i thought we where shilling casinos that get hacked on release day 
15:18:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a free world, and he's free to dream or hallucinate up whatever he wants, but bro's technological expertise ends at "use twitter on iphone". can he bankroll a new wallet? 🤷‍♂️ 
15:18:17 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm sure stack, cake, etc, could add market data and other shit like unstoppablewallet
15:19:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and to be fair, cake, stack etc do have UX _issues_, but to claim they are trash wallets is retarded
15:20:41 <plowsof> there was another monero map team. did they dissapear? https://bounties.monero.social/posts/120/0-600m-monero-map-world-map-of-local-merchants , it was going to be a fork of https://github.com/teambtcmap/btcmap.org 
15:21:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> xmrbazaar.com is more than a map 🤡
15:21:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maverick claims to be the reason for xmrbazaars success as well
15:22:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I say let him do what he wants, but i'm not going to glaze him and pretend like he's acting in good faith, and not solely as a grifter
15:23:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Exodus is trash, and for anyone to claim otherwise is pretty retarded. Unstoppablewallet is not trash. If he said unstoppablewallet, i might agree with him about great UX example
15:24:38 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> he's an iphone user iiuc, so his comments about monfluo or monerujo are simply lies.
15:40:12 <plowsof> https://bank-exit.org/en/map is from that other team 
15:56:15 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And is open source
15:58:26 <plowsof> well done everyone
15:59:47 <plowsof> an informal gathering of those that happen to be here begins https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1224 
16:00:41 <plowsof> Monerokon Day 2 has finished , full schedule available here https://cfp.twed.org/mk5/schedule/ 
16:01:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Gm
16:01:52 <plowsof> FCMP++ TODO list items being worked on @ https://github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/pulls 
16:02:11 <plowsof> https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/
16:02:57 <plowsof> Danbob shared the invidious link of monerokon day 1 live stream @ https://invidious.privacyredirect.com/watch?v=MWCTcerko_s 
16:05:40 <plowsof> https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ - still no fans of bobbybull runs marketing proposal 
16:06:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Close
16:06:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/590
16:07:31 <n1oc> [CCS Proposals] plowsoff closed merge request #590: CCS Proposal: Monero Privacy Anthem & Global Album Campaign – Bobby Bull Run https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/590
16:13:58 <plowsof> https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ 🙏
16:15:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/589
16:15:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ginger, network simulation.
16:15:45 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> MRL didnt decide on this yet. 0xfffc is away for a few days, and ruck was going to reach out to the shadow project
16:16:34 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> I have reached out: https://github.com/ethereum/ethshadow/issues/25
16:16:49 <plowsof> thank you
16:17:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/592
16:17:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Acx - monfluo maintenance & dev
16:17:05 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrn vote: just 3 days old, should be left up for some more feedback /exposure etc
16:17:37 <plowsof> previous ccs completed here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/557
16:18:41 <plowsof>   c. [hinto-janai full-time development (3 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/591)    
16:20:51 <plowsof> cuprate 🦀 / FCMP++ 50/50 split 
16:21:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> says time split aprox 50:50 with fcmp integration stuff
16:21:11 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah
16:22:45 <plowsof> fresh and up for feedback. thats pretty much it 
16:24:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Day 2 of monerkon fin. Doug is at porcfest with monerotopia
16:25:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> fcmp is delayed another 6 months /s
16:25:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (need to feed chatgpt some fud)
16:26:04 <plowsof> does anyone have an invidious link of "Monero’s FCMP+ Upgrade Status with Diego Salazar of Cypher Stack | EPI 353"? good watch . and SGP gave a related talk at the end of Day 1 discussing MAGIC including FCMP++ related audits (touching on veradise + cypherstack) 
16:26:22 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> AFAIK, the LLMs do pull from libera.monerologs
16:27:01 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> because BCH people referenced Monero logs when discussing an LLM-generated summary of the Clover paper
16:27:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> lol. Its a pandemic
16:28:13 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> > The LLMs also seem to really be latching on to a few casual mentions by Monero researchers indicating that Clover seems better, but they want to wait for more analysis before advocating for a switch from Dandelion++ to Clover.
16:28:15 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> https://bitcoincashresearch.org/t/chip-2025-01-dandelion-integration-for-bitcoin-cash/1472/9
16:28:30 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Mentions are about to get much less casual
16:28:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> zano says dandelion is privacy theater
16:28:46 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> I have a quote for that, too
16:28:56 <plowsof> ah, the zano-de-anon page
16:29:40 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> 13:32 minute of Chainalysis leaked video:
16:29:41 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> > So this was a really big challenge for us because a lot of how we do our Monero tracing involves IP observations of things like services...Dandelion has made that impossible...The big thing to know is that Dandelion was implemented in October 2020. And so anything that occurred after that time, the IP observations that we collect are gonna be much, much weaker. They're gonna be <clipped message>
16:29:43 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> much lower confidence.
16:31:09 <m-relay> <1​7lifers:matrix.org> thats a win :3
16:31:56 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Dandelion++ isn't perfect. Watch the "Defeating Spy Nodes on the Monero Network" talk by boog900 and I, voiced by xenu, for analysis of possible complementary technology: https://cfp.twed.org/mk5/talk/AE7CWF/
16:31:57 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Tomorrow at 13:300 UTC
16:32:12 <plowsof> 👏
16:32:39 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> 13:30*
16:32:52 <plowsof> https://cfp.twed.org/mk5/talk/AE7CWF/
16:33:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its not perfect, i know. But i use tx-proxy and anonymous-inbound on tor and i2p, so my node is as close to perfect as monero can be without also having p2p blockchain over anonymitiy networks
16:34:06 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> None of my own tx are stemmed from my own node, and my node stems other peoples txs, even if i dont have incoming clearnet connections
16:35:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Using tor+i2p at the same time has resulted in near perfect reliability
16:36:47 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So i find zano's response a bit.. questionable, at best. Dandelion _does_ work to disassociate a tx from an ip. It does not prevent isp spying. Tor+i2p does though, and has great reliability when used simultaneously
16:38:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Almost forgot (repost):
16:38:21 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> > Please review this PR for the awaiting approval/approved/rejected message for bot https://github.com/monerobot/monerobot/pull/11 since before have added the image removal and rejected states
16:38:46 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> This is for bounties.monero.social
16:40:19 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> TIA
16:40:40 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Smh, its merged. Ignore me
16:41:22 <plowsof> stealth merge, pigeons has to deploy it so reviews are always helpful 
16:41:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> @plowsof, it it live/working?
16:41:36 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Okok thanks
16:45:01 <plowsof> i think we can disperse if theres nothing major, i know what talk ill be watching tomorrow at 13:30 UTC 
16:47:52 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Which?
16:48:27 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (Jk), ruckniums
16:48:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Watch the "Defeating Spy Nodes on the Monero Network" talk by boog900 and I, voiced by xenu, for analysis of possible complementary technology: https://cfp.twed.org/mk5/talk/AE7CWF/
16:48:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tomorrow at 13:30 UTC
16:49:32 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> It's real darn good
16:49:53 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> the contrast between how Monero deals with spy nodes and Zano is glaring
16:51:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Zano = we dont do network privacy at all
16:52:45 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> Just use a VPN ;)
16:52:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bitcoin: we offer very good network privacy, with torcontrol and i2psam support built in
16:55:28 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero: we offer very good transaction relay privacy protections with dandelion, and even better with tx-proxy. Block sync privacy is not prioritized, but also not related to tx privacy
16:56:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Better: use exclusive connections to our nodes
17:04:37 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> the only thing monero lacks is the encryption with an isp.
17:13:06 <m-relay> <l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> something like BIP 324
17:14:20 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/8996 ?
18:10:15 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Sir stack is perfect
18:10:51 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> stack's rescan blockchain doesnt allow me to enter blockheight
18:11:28 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> No accounts
18:11:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and doesnt support subaccounts, so makes restoring seeds confusing when balances dont match
18:11:49 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Stack
18:11:51 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Is
18:11:54 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Perfect
18:12:10 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #soonperfect
18:12:28 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Nah
18:12:48 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Let me live in my delusions. Its all i have.
18:13:11 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Okay, I guess you like it there
18:15:00 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> FCMPs will support subaccounts too, im guessing?
18:16:56 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Aside from Monero subaccounts and rescan block height, what are the UX issues with Stack?
18:17:10 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Or UI
18:17:17 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Happy to listen and make improvements.
18:25:32 <m-relay> <e​longated:matrix.org> Viewkey background sync
18:30:30 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Alrighty! Will look into this after we finish MWEB this month.
18:32:01 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I believe so
18:32:41 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Subaccounts is just an extension of the major index
18:33:14 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Main account is [0,n], subaccoints are [N,n]
18:35:12 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cakes view-key bg sync doesnt work too great (android kills it). Workaround is to add a persistent notification. Will keep stack alive in the background np
18:38:52 <m-relay> <s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> I couldn't get stack connect to tor node with ssl, could be a user error though
18:47:27 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> On latest? We made some monero / tor adjustments last release.
18:49:34 <m-relay> <s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> v2.2.2 on fdroid
18:53:00 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> You can DM me the logs and/or error
19:42:34 <m-relay> <s​needlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> update: tried again and it worked 🎉
20:23:11 <m-relay> <d​iego:cypherstack.com> Dang im good
21:12:29 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Sound like a hillbilly