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07:43:28 <midipoet> thanks deverickapollo
09:37:50 <plowsof> Is Atomicmonero a phishing site? https://www.reddit.com/r/monerosupport/comments/1lqsksm/swap_still_not_completed_after_48h_despite/ cc binarybaron incase you've heard of this 
09:46:24 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> ive heard of it before
09:46:41 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> it is very shady to say the least
09:46:55 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> they basically do custodial atomic swaps
09:48:58 <m-relay> <r​brunner7:monero.social> Which is something like a contradiction in itself ...
10:21:13 <midipoet> having a "trusted" entity conduct swaps on behalf of people that don't want the complexity, isn't that bad an idea though 
10:21:49 <midipoet> not everyone wants to try and navigate the likes of reto/haveno and/or unstoppableswaps
10:22:19 <midipoet> in theory, you could even ensure that there is no actual custody of funds
10:22:37 <midipoet> ^ the above is not my idea but one that has been mentioned to me
11:21:11 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> haveno is dead simple and involving middlemen can really only make it less secure
11:21:35 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> people sabotage themselves
11:22:31 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> they can use webapps just fine but as soon as you have to download an .exe everyone is suddenly a tech illiterate mega boomer
11:23:16 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> unstoppableswaps with the binarybaron GUI look very simple as well
11:23:42 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> the problem is not the software, its the mindset of the people
11:27:59 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> we should not accomodate that by wrapping decentralized p2p tech in centralization that serves no purpose other than to coddle users
11:38:47 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> Trust me bruh
11:39:02 <m-relay> <3​21bob321:monero.social> I have lollies
11:45:35 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> that being said, if you need a trusted proxy for haveno, let me know, ill do it for 5%, 0.05 XMR minimum ;:DD
12:54:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Same, if you want to swap some xmr in/out of ltc or btc, i can middle man your atomic swap for an extra 3-5%, depending on my mood
13:04:02 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> basicswapdex electron app + installer when ?
13:07:10 <nioc> what are ltc and btc? 
13:07:53 <m-relay> <a​swiftverdict:matrix.org> I’m guessing litecoin and bitcoin
13:08:17 <nioc> sorry  /s
13:22:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "next question" :P
13:25:51 <m-relay> <s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lol
13:27:37 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> On subject of installer, i started work on (and flipped the table) for a deb, since it's essentially the same shit has the bash install
13:28:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> except you cant add your custom node, setup tor, or restore from seed
13:29:24 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And (afaict) requires touching root folders
13:30:22 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Re electron: particl's desktop wallet and marketplace is an electron app, so might be possible but not direction were working on
13:34:42 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> making "start menu" launchers is a simple task, so users wont have to launch basicswap using the terminal.
13:34:43 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i didnt look into appimages (even monero-gui's appimage isnt a real appimage lol, its just a bash script to run monero-wallet-gui LOL)
13:35:25 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe in should just rename "basicswap-bash" to "basicswap.AppImage" and make ppl happy? 😂
13:42:07 <midipoet> monerobull: for a large portion of the population, the mindset remains that a "trusted" middle man is a more secure way to transact. It's also the only way some entities can interact, given legal requirements, policies, processes, etc and so on. If you don't believe this, that's fine, but then you are dismissing the evidence in front of you. Centralised services have been the biggest winners, and are the most powerful 
13:42:07 <midipoet> stakeholders in the entire DLT ecosystem. An ecosystem that was "supposedly" built on the embedded ethos of "decentralisation". The reason why centralised entities have become the dominant player is because "the market" demanded it, whether or not it's rational - and so, unfortunately, it materialised. 
13:44:46 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> AAVE makes 60-80% of all lending revenue
13:44:49 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> AAVE makes 60-80% of all crypto lending revenue
13:48:31 <midipoet> And that's great for AAVE. I am sure Uniswap are also doing great business too, but either example doesn't discount the point I made. 
13:49:23 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> @nioc ltc is a coin that ppl buy on cex and use it to buy xmr
13:50:04 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Btc is a coin that ppl born in the 1940s need to trade in so they can buy groceries
13:50:15 <nioc> we need atomic swaps between monello and fiat
13:51:24 <nioc> paper fiat
13:51:47 <nioc> or in dan bob's case plastic 
13:52:48 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> need native cbdc
13:53:23 <nioc> cbpc
13:57:59 <midipoet> stablecoins are defacto cbdcs anyway, so we are all sorted for the dystopian future we dreamt of
13:59:39 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Are there any stablecoins that are their own blockhains?
14:01:07 <midipoet> There was a new one mentioned
14:02:01 <midipoet> Called Stablechain
14:02:32 <midipoet> https://x.com/stable/status/1940048398595547289
14:23:01 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> this one is more dystopian than actual CBDCs
14:23:04 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> id stay the fuck away
14:24:01 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:matrix.org> there is also one where aaves GHO stablecoin is used as native gas, that one seems a bit better
18:00:06 <m-relay> <h​bs:matrix.org> xDAI is the native currency of GnosisChain