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14:19:25 <plowsof> Meeting in 1hr41 mins https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1240
16:00:58 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1240
16:00:59 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> greetings
16:01:16 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Greetings
16:01:43 <m-relay> <h​bs:matrix.org> hello
16:01:53 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Hi
16:01:56 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> [v0.18.4.1 released](https://www.getmonero.org/2025/07/25/monero-0.18.4.1-released.html) please update your clients/nodes and expect a new featherwallet tag shortly 🙏
16:02:03 <m-relay> <m​ichael:monero.social> Hello.
16:02:42 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> if interested in the current FCMP++ progress please read the well hydrated 2 hour+ Monero Research Lab meeting https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1244
16:05:08 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> also confirming that the General Fund will be giving 30XMR to the 3rd place submission from rafael in the FCMP++ competition (whicih seemed to be missed from the @monero tweets and caused a bit of confusion)
16:06:54 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> great resource from Rucknium to check on the spy nodes https://moneronet.info/ , which was incuded in his milestone 3 CCS update @ https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/439#note_30863
16:09:06 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> You can now check if your favorite remote node(s) have enabled the MRL and/or DNS ban list of suspected malicious nodes: https://xmr.ditatompel.com/remote-nodes
16:09:07 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> (Uses data collected by my moneronet.info app)
16:09:11 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> Majestic bank shutting down https://monero.observer/majesticbank-instant-exchange-shuts-down/
16:10:40 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> an addition to this could be to show which nodes are proxies (following on from digilols investigation https://www.digilol.net/blog/chainanalysis-malicious-xmr.html)
16:10:47 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i know im paying a few peoples bills already
16:11:09 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Haha. Every node is plowsof node
16:11:40 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i suspect proxying a legitimate node will be more appealing now that the Cat has jumped onto the lap or out of the bag / cardboard boax
16:16:19 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> any other highlights? - i assume matrix . org will have updated their servers to the latest versions and pigeons will be looking into how that is going. seems fine here
16:19:34 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> On the Qubic mining issue, I am updating this data occasionally. Just updated about 16 hours ago: https://gist.github.com/Rucknium/0873b10b6d36ff6c9d6f8f54107d16f7
16:20:37 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> thank you, reddit mods can auto mod or sticky this, great resource cc syntheticbird monerobull , ok we can move onto the CCS ideas, i'd like to first cover the proposals that didnt seem to require further discussion for merging to funding. i will paste several. if there is a problem you can tell me to srsly stfu.
16:21:22 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> b. [hinto-janai full-time development (3 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/591)    
16:21:23 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org>   c. [acx Monfluo maintenance and further development 2025Q3](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/592)    
16:21:25 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org>   d. [Revuo Monero Maintenance (2025 Q3)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/593)    
16:21:27 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org>   e. [vtnerd 2025 Q3 Proposal](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/594)
16:22:31 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> now circling back for further discussion updates:
16:22:33 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org>   a. [Monero Network Simulation Tool](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/589)
16:23:25 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> 4 updoots. ai assistance has been confirmed. the work is open source and on-going @ https://github.com/Fountain5405/monerosim
16:28:12 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> hand wave merge it after Ruckniums positive comment. perhaps some transparency about the AI assistance written into the proposal for transparency?
16:29:14 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Yes, I think that makes sense. The funding page won't have the gitlab comments confirming AI assistance.
16:30:29 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> I removed like 10 qbic posts today
16:30:32 <m-relay> <m​onerobull:monero.social> m-reIay you don't need to let the sub get filled up with that crap
16:30:45 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> f. ~~[Multisig GUI wizard](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/595) [4bdeef44](https://github.com/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/595/diffs?commit_id=4bdeef44e2333b59c115d908e50da9efe83b96d0) - Funding reduced to 50XMR~~
16:30:47 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org>  (Closed by proposer)
16:30:49 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Imo payments should be contingent on the delivered product being functional / as expected, yeah?
16:31:03 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> one major issue with AI is stuff being horribly put together
16:31:32 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> And a link to https://github.com/Fountain5405/monerosim in the proposal text
16:31:47 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> the verbose proposal basiclaly says that its new territory so the hours / week are being compensated without an end result
16:32:11 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> but LLM is excited about commits there so apparently progress has been made
16:33:00 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> after monero-sim is created will "Fountain5405" be reviewing merge requests or AI lol , i assume docs will be AI also
16:33:47 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> By now, gingeropolous should have an idea of whether this can be changed to a deliverable-based CCS or time-based. Since a lot of work has been done in the monerosim repo.
16:34:20 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> great points and suggestions
16:35:05 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i think we can move on?
16:37:41 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> g. [MoneroOS Resurrection](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/596)
16:38:20 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> an overwhelmingly positive Reddit thread for this proposal @ https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1lzi7g4/moneroos_resurrection/
16:38:50 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> two hundread and forty four whole updoots and everyone excited about it in the comments
16:39:38 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> im sure they are all users of the original https://github.com/4rkal/MoneroOS *tumble weeds*
16:39:46 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> and waiting with baited breath for improvements
16:40:02 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> bated*
16:42:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm still a nack on that, same reasons stated before. Target audience being one of them
16:43:02 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> If youre running a dedi miner, you wouldnt use this. Flashing an iso is not less work than downkoadibf xmrig
16:44:59 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Does this proposal have so much support on Reddit that it could be funded on Kuno?
16:45:41 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> judging by that reddit thread yes, i think it would be funded quite quickly
16:46:06 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> unless they are bots karma farming 🤷
16:49:33 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> moving on
16:49:38 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> h. [[hbs] EVM Atomic Swaps](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/597)
16:50:52 <m-relay> <h​bs:matrix.org> Following Rucknium's suggestion made during the first meeting where my proposal was discussed, I've researched funding opportunities within the Ethereum ecosystem.
16:51:25 <m-relay> <h​bs:matrix.org> Turns out the main funding channel, gitcoin grants, is currently being redesigned and is no longer financing any project.
16:52:22 <m-relay> <h​bs:matrix.org> Next I researched ESP (Ecosystem Support Program), this program is directly managed by the Ethereum foundation. It explicitely states that it doesn't finance "financial projects".
16:53:44 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Atomic swaps arent financial projects
16:53:47 <m-relay> <h​bs:matrix.org> As a side note the ESP was also the financing option that was sought after for the MK4 Hackathon. Ultimately the EF rejected the grant stating that their support is "primarly directed towards Ethereum focused events/communities"
16:53:59 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> I think that implies stuff like celcius or aave
16:54:50 <m-relay> <h​bs:matrix.org> I've also looked at financing options with the Gnosis Chain community, but they don't seem to offer financing for projects using Gnosis Chain but for projects building on their other products (GnosisPay, GnosisVPN, ...)
16:56:33 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what abt Solana
16:57:41 <m-relay> <h​bs:matrix.org> Unfortunately they do not provide an explicit definition of what falls under the "financial projects" denomination
16:58:17 <m-relay> <h​bs:matrix.org> Unrelated to EVM, except for the NeonEVM side project but which doesn't offer a fully compatible EVM layer
17:01:49 <m-relay> <h​bs:matrix.org> Unrelated to financing, I've created a dedicated Matrix channel for discussing the EVM-XMR Atomic Swap solution I implemented, #moneroswap:matrix.org
17:02:55 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> as we're at the hour with 2 more proposals to cover. any other comments on this for now? monero<>eth integrated into existing projects such as basicswapdex would seem appealing
17:03:32 <m-relay> <o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ive reached out to some ppl. will update when i have news
17:04:28 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> lets cover the remaining 2 proposals. moving on. thank you for taking on the feedback hbs
17:04:30 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i.  [Monero Python Maintenance](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/598)
17:04:52 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> bit of back story: the original monero-python is abandonware https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/monero-python , it still had an open PR to add unlock_time to returned json https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/monero-python/pull/127 , when actively maintained it was popular and even made it to v1.0 with a well received announcement on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments<clipped message>
17:04:53 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> /tjn1zh/were_mature_moneropython_10_has_been_released/
17:05:01 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> this proposal is from everoddandeven
17:05:18 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> the abandonned monero-python was more so a wrapper for monero-wallet-rpc, however did have some of its own crypto functions such as scanning for outputs which belong to a view key +  address (albeit at a slow python speed) and address validation.
17:05:48 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> instead of wrapping monero-wallet-rpc this is utilising monero-cpp which has direct binding to wallet2, is this generalisation correct everoddandeven?
17:06:05 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Can this software have multiple wallets open at the same time?
17:06:33 <m-relay> <e​veroddandeven:monero.social> Yes
17:06:37 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> monero-cpp is used by monero-ts, so its maintenance has been promised for the foreseeable future by woodser
17:06:58 <m-relay> <e​veroddandeven:monero.social> Yes, but it also wraps monero-wallet-rpc
17:07:11 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> my comment on the 2 extra things your have implemented: "MoneroDaemonRpc and MoneroWalletRpc (and relative data model), which are not offered by the monero-cpp library." woodser thinks these could be useful. IMO they should be PR'd to monero-cpp and reviewed for merge.
17:07:27 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> everoddandeven: Any info on the RAM footprint of this software and how it scales with number of wallets open?
17:07:57 <m-relay> <e​veroddandeven:monero.social> It has an interface (Monerowallet) implemented by 3 classes: Monowalletfull (Full Wrappers of Wallet2), MonowalletKeys (Keys Management Only) and MonerowaLletpc (RPC Client for Monero-Wallet-RPC)
17:08:26 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> `monero-wallet-rpc` can only open one wallet at a time. If you want to open more, you need to have multiple instances of it running. That takes a lot of RAM.
17:08:53 <m-relay> <e​veroddandeven:monero.social> Unfortunately not, for now
17:09:56 <m-relay> <e​veroddandeven:monero.social> But I think it doesn't change much if you compare with monero-cpp as it is all in binding with this library, using pybind11
17:10:21 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> I ran into this about four years ago when I was running `townforge-wallet-rpc` on a VPS and could only have one wallet open at a time. It was annoying and seemed to be a strange design decision.
17:10:41 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> https://github.com/woodser/monero-cpp
17:11:17 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> I wonder if it could help multi-wallet support for the Monero BTCPay Server plugin. AFAIK, they plan to use LWS for that, but maybe this could be added, too.
17:11:42 <m-relay> <e​veroddandeven:monero.social> So, we go in a wider speech here
17:12:07 <m-relay> <e​veroddandeven:monero.social> (Sorry, I'm using Google Translator)
17:12:17 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> does the xmrapidev final boss named woodser give this monero-python his blessing? that would be ideal
17:12:57 <m-relay> <e​veroddandeven:monero.social> For this I'm developing also https://github.com/everoddandeven/monero-dotnet
17:13:47 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> side note: everoddandeven translated zero to monero into italian recently https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2502
17:13:54 <m-relay> <e​veroddandeven:monero.social> That would be another idea I intended to propose: to make a C bridge for Monero-Cpp in order to use it with P/Invoke for this library
17:14:31 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Does your work interact at all with SNeedlewoods 's work?
17:14:56 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/SNeedlewoods-02_part-time-dev-work.html
17:15:28 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> and example https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/9918/files
17:17:00 <m-relay> <e​veroddandeven:monero.social> No, it doesn't seem to me. This work refers to the wallet2_api.h, right?
17:17:33 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> I just want to make sure that things are coordinated if they should be coordinated.
17:18:25 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks for the feedback and attending the meeting everoddandeven
17:18:50 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> moving onto the final proposal
17:18:55 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> j.  [Rucknium Research II](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/599)
17:19:40 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> I got feedback on research plans at the last Monero Research Lab meeting: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1244
17:20:00 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> Feedback and questions are very welcome here, too.
17:20:23 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> lordxenu left a comment here earlier today
17:20:57 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> The main tasks are more work on network-level privacy (i.e. against spy nodes), getting OSPEAD formally peer-reviewed, and researching mining concentration/centralization.
17:21:44 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> the closing update of your previous proposal was outstanding, looking forward to the next
17:23:18 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> what is a life without monerologs ?
17:23:34 <m-relay> <r​ucknium:monero.social> That update is at: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/439#note_30863
17:24:02 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> "<l​ordx3nu:matrix.org> Interested in the mining centralization research!"
17:27:08 <m-relay> <p​lowsof:matrix.org> thanks everyone who has attended and read along, an open end to this thread and meeting there 🙏
17:35:40 <msvb-mob> Good meeting plowsof, thanks very much.
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