10:01:07 Just throw a non dev suggestion here 10:01:09 Isnt it possible to make the same merge mine pool and compete with the exist qubic.org pool? 10:50:23 If you "mine" Qubic the reason you earn more than with mining Monero directly is not merge mining. The reason you earn more is that they pay you in Qubic, and right now those coins that you get are worth more than the XMR you would earn by mining directly. Considerably more. 10:51:01 If you were a billionaire you could set up a pool and pay every Monero miner the difference out of your own pocket. *That* would work :) 10:53:08 About 1 million USD per day would do the job nicely. 10:54:31 With that you would blow Qubic out of the water 11:06:14 So atm someone is paying for miners more than what the protocol release? 11:06:15 Because if not then why isn’t it possible to do the same and cut some of qubic..org hashpower 11:06:17 Something here dosent make sense to me 11:15:08 a video from Rabid Mining reg profitability of mining monero / qubic and other coins yewtu.be/watch?v=9BQglj6CEW0 11:16:55 You said “The reason you earn more is that they pay you in qubic” I dont understand how does it effect the profitability as long as they dont add an extra payment besides mining rewards 11:21:28 the above video provides some easily digestible info regarding this 11:33:28 Didn’t understand from the video how its possible maybe because of my poor knowledge in mining but in 7:49 it seems like this guy didn’t figure it as well 11:34:05 “I dont know where all that money is coming from” 11:37:04 can only speculate for now but the person behind it has money to burn for marketing. We've seen people announce plans to attack monero (via spam) and them receiving funds to do it (last one i seen was on twitter) 11:43:21 paying people to do something, what a novel idea 11:49:15 Anyway im preparing my old mining setup. but even if we get tons of solo miners hash power which dosent mine for profit its not a systematic solution for this embarrassing attack. 11:49:17 Long term solution i see is to legitimise the pumping price attitude that the rest of this market have but in a more cypher punk way. 12:17:16 time to pamp 12:18:20 ok 12:18:55 pamp all the things. 12:21:40 Unfortunately the Bogdanoff brothers are dead now! 12:22:25 So who you gonna call? 12:24:26 There's almost 0.22 BTC in the general fund, time to dump it =P 12:29:55 Monero community include a lot of people who want to contribute but don’t have the technical skills for that. 12:29:57 We need to gather up and become a marketing team, focused more on adoption and less on social media like other projects. 12:31:07 do it (: 12:32:53 there is #monero-outreach channel. they initially tried to do this, but it lost some steam after some time 12:33:03 outreach was also a work group 12:36:15 I would glad to open a new group targeted specifically to monero marketing. 12:36:17 If someone here would join it please react. 12:36:24 this is a very good idea 12:37:01 I would join, educating people of how to use it and benefits of it is the key 12:38:00 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> there was a monero sticker here. a rando slapped a bitcoin sticker over it. classic example of bitcoin elitism. 12:41:23 monero has monerochan, but bitcoin has no bitcoinchan 12:42:10 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> it has been forever since a monerochan has been drawn (not using ai) 12:42:35 I haven't seen many ai monerochan tho 12:43:23 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> => https://old.reddit.com/r/monerochan/ 12:43:31 guys monerochan is terrible fucking incel ass marketing 12:43:39 the concept of monero maskot already exist, it's nice imo 12:43:47 nonono, monero.arbo, you don't understand 12:43:51 it's perfect 12:44:13 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> well 12:44:15 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> wouldnt work 12:44:18 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> monero is illegal in japan 12:44:18 or you have any other non-cartoon suggestions 12:44:20 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> lol 12:44:33 anime is not illegal in japan 12:44:36 at least 12:45:21 file Marmot-edit1-3491340977.jpg too big to download (2005363 > allowed size: 1000000) 12:45:21 Marmot-edit1-3491340977.jpg 12:45:23 The Monero Marmot 12:45:25 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> .. 12:45:27 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> ofc not 12:45:50 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> i wonder how this japanese dude selling japanese stuff for monero on xmrbazaar makes it legal 12:45:53 I don't see matrix images, please share on catbox.moe if you don't mind 12:46:11 it's jsut a picture of a marmot 12:46:53 anyway I don't think Monero is illegal in Japan 12:46:55 marmots are nice 12:47:05 approved 12:47:07 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> privacy coins are illegal in japan 12:47:09 just joking, im nobody here 12:47:18 u got a link on that? 12:47:28 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/OsweJDKKSMOwTLaTzLaPWxDv 12:47:29 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> many of them in fact 12:49:47 Google 12:50:24 yeah thanks I am aware of Google but was seeing conflicting info so snarkily posting some lame search results isn't really helpful 12:52:48 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> well take the coindesk one then. theyre reputable you know 12:52:57 lol 12:54:59 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> so here it is. 12:55:13 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/YyfXeKLslqBdCutPKgfZXFID 12:55:15 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> so monerochan doesnt work for its target audience 12:55:17 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> xd 12:55:45 yeah I'm seeing the stories from 2017/2018 but while they call it a ban, it seems to just be targeting exchanges, which is usually how these things work 12:56:01 I don't know that it's explicitly illegal to hold or buy 12:56:22 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> people gon become scared to own >.< 12:57:37 anyway there's more weebs outside of Japan than in Japan, but I don't think the problem with monerochan is the anime style, it's that it's nakedly using boobs / sex to sell like a marketing campaign come up with by a damn 13 yo boy 12:58:02 it's cronge af 12:58:03 it's cringe af 12:59:08 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> oh? sucks for you :3 12:59:29 sucks for XMR 13:02:02 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> and everyone knows monero as that coin used by 31337 h4x0rs to mine in cracked game installers 13:02:12 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> it got a shit reputation and it will always have it 13:06:43 from point of view of a regular user, it doesn't matter what coin is being mined, the only thing that matters is that it's `crypto miner` 13:07:12 as I heard many silent miners use Zephyr for CPU 13:07:33 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> zeph is rx too 13:09:52 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> will public advertisement billboards work? no theyre gonna get destroyed by people against crypto 13:10:00 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> ugh, what other ideas exist... 13:13:22 monero billboards will be pelted with tomatoes you think? xd 13:13:57 it would be nice to see tho, but advertising use cases is even better, mullvad has nice ads https://www.reddit.com/r/mullvadvpn/comments/18cczyy/mullvad_ad_in_the_subway/ 13:14:14 and they accept monero, imo the best advertisment, but not direct tho 13:17:33 btw someone knows if proton already added monero support or no? 13:18:18 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> not added :) 13:18:26 dangit 13:26:04 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> :3 13:31:07 supposedly it's in the works 13:32:18 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> well yeah in the summer roadmap 13:32:23 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> whats the season right now 13:32:25 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> yes thats right summer 13:37:16 https://matrix.to/#/!yXCZgkZQEcCsXceEZC:matrix.org?via=matrix.org 13:37:17 Maybe it is nonsense and FUD, but it does affect prices and chaos had it's effects in form of many new articles about it on crypto news websites. While I do also believe it does not have much chances in reaching 51%, this situation definitely highlights important problem with centralized mining pools. This time it is a warning, next time a bigger, government funded attack may have more luck in reaching 51% attack goal. 13:37:21 Join 13:37:53 I have a post draft to share with you all. Before anyone will ask, yes, I have written text myself and I have used LLM to just improve writing style... 13:38:18 I would like to present an idea for a new initiative that could serve as an effective solution to the recent economic threats posed by malicious mining pools, which are primarily driven by financial gain. Given that these attacks are economic in nature, I believe the community should respond with economic strategies, in addition to technical mitigations. 13:38:19 As we know, P2Pool is a well-established solution for mitigating 51% attacks. However, its share in block distribution remains relatively low, currently around 5% according to data from MiningPoolStats, despite the community's efforts to promote it. Since we cannot convince everyone, particularly those motivated solely by material gain, I propose two potential solutions: 13:38:21 A) Algorithmically incentivize P2Pool usage: Implement a built-in feature in Monero that provides miners using P2Pool with an additional percentage of the standard reward for each mined block. This would enhance the profitability of mining through P2Pool and encourage more miners to choose it over centralized mining pools. 13:38:23 B) Community Reward System: Establish a community reward system independent of the Monero software that would reward each miner who successfully mines a block using P2Pool. The community could create a fund through donations, allowing miners who utilize P2Pool to sign up for a chance of additional income. This could take the form of a fixed prize for each block mined or operate like a jackpot. 13:38:25 Since cryptocurrency prices can fluctuate significantly each day, and Monero's price reportedly decreased by 5% due to mere rumors, I believe that a donation of 1% to such a fund is relatively a low cost in exchange for ensuring almost completely decentralized block distribution. 13:38:27 I welcome your feedback on this proposal. I am considering sharing it on platforms such as Reddit, Lemmy, and Pleroma. 13:40:33 why would I pay someone to mine monero? 13:41:46 To protect the network against 51% and thus estimated price your funds. 13:41:57 To protect the network against 51% and thus estimated price of your funds. 13:42:49 I will go futher, imlement p2pool in xmrig 13:43:15 there already is a GUI for p2pool 13:43:58 btw, I haven't tried yet, is it possible to use p2pool with remote node? instead of remote pool 13:44:10 ppl use pools because you don't need to download blockchain imo 13:44:13 not saying that having it in xmrig itself is not a good idea 13:45:01 having to pay insurance in the form of paying miners so that they get monero that they will then sell is not a good idea 13:45:31 a GUI uniting P2pool and Xmrig sounds great 13:47:23 Second solution is basically building a casino to promote using P2Pool. Another variant is that P2Pool miners could sign up for it by small XMR fee as a ticket, to take part in such lottery. A casine that won't make any profits, existing just to promote P2Pool. 13:47:29 Second solution is basically building a casino to promote using P2Pool. Another variant is that P2Pool miners could sign up for it by small XMR fee as a ticket, to take part in such lottery. A casino that won't make any profits, existing just to promote P2Pool. 13:48:24 There are many shitcoins that promote mining their coin by various giveaways, and it is effective. 13:48:25 tell your LLM about https://xmrvsbeast.com/p2pool/ 13:48:29 xmrbeast already runs something like that on p2pool 13:49:13 I don't have a LLM, I only have Cat 13:49:31 Cat is also the reason I mine 13:49:51 wow actually gupax already has p2pool + xmrig with ability to mine using remote node 🤯 13:50:17 :) 13:57:49 monero never stop surprising me 13:59:35 Why the most used pool is still supportxmr then? 13:59:58 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> supportxmr admin good guy 14:00:02 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> always responds to support questions 14:00:08 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> never has downtime 14:00:32 Is using P2Pool still less profitable or just initiatives like XvB badly communicated, too complicated for average user to set up? 14:00:42 I have a guess, people just see default config pointing to centralized pools, xmrig wizard (for config builds) has noinfo about p2pool (afaik) 14:01:10 17lifes: of course pool owners only one who won't be happy if ppl start using p2pool 14:01:11 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> fun fact 14:01:22 17lifers* 14:01:24 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> the only people who use tls verification string in xmrig are hashvault users 14:01:31 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> because thats included in the hashvault config generator 14:03:10 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> average xmr miner is from tiktok. tiktok like "how to earn free money forever". it has step by step instructions how to download xmrig and set it up without touching cmd because they dont know any better 14:04:45 alfieedwards: too complicated for average user to set up? <- it can be solved by giving average users setup bash script, they can do `curl -O + chmox +x + ./` for sure 14:05:04 simple script that detects os, downloads dependencies and start mining 14:05:14 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> "bash script" well uhh assume linux users know tech, they surely know how to xmrig 14:05:15 + add p2pool information to xmrig wizard 14:05:27 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> linux is at 2-5% market share yknow 14:05:31 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> xd 14:05:36 hm, actually yeah, but for windows users gupax 14:06:04 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> so yes 14:06:12 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> thats the solutio 14:06:15 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> thats the solution 14:06:17 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> next 14:10:54 More likely is fact that Gupaxx and XvB are almost unknown to the world: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=gupaxx&hl=en-US 14:12:52 https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=gupaxx,Qubic,XMRvsBeast,P2Pool&hl=en-US 14:13:35 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> someone go make tiktok spambot to make monero popular 14:13:41 lol 14:14:58 nned to get the bots to use montero 14:15:04 *need to 14:17:14 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> and well, the stats arent good 14:17:20 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/uMMeGzaAWIEMLDCbRfNPHqXy 14:17:26 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> theres no way theres only activity on those two days 14:18:40 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> and qubic is a bad name so itll have bad stats too 14:18:50 17lifers: can you share on some image hosting please? don't see matrix 14:19:20 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> well just open the gupaxx link https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=gupaxx&hl=en-US 14:19:25 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> its a screenshot of that page's graph 14:19:39 oh alr 14:19:44 > Numbers represent search interest relative to the highest point on the chart for the given region and time. A value of 100 is the peak popularity for the term. A value of 50 means that the term is half as popular. A score of 0 means there was not enough data for this term. 14:20:10 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> well 14:20:20 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> what prize do we give the two people who searched gupaxx 14:22:07 Vid I made about renting hash rate: https://youtu.be/IAHVpV1LG18 14:22:24 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> yeah we know also has been posted on the xmr r/ 14:24:13 Does anyone know what the rented hash usually is? If it went up after I released that video then I am going to take all the credit :p 14:25:09 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> step 1: rent 14:25:09 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> step 2: use profits to rent more 14:25:11 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> step 3: loop 14:25:13 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> there, monero is saved 14:25:40 One way would to be have a link "How to mine Monero in the most profitable way" on /r/Monero as a sticky. Because without reach it won't have effect and P2Pool share will stay at 5% 14:26:38 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> yes 14:26:46 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> perfecc 14:26:50 I have a few dedicated servers with high CPU, I will soon try XvB 14:27:26 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> it is a legal requirement for everyone to mine xmr >.< 14:27:31 https://matrix.to/#/#moneromarketing:matrix.org 14:28:08 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> ok i'll enjoy being one of the first members 14:28:35 Join the monero marketing team 14:28:51 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> i-i-i did dont kill me 14:28:53 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> ;-; 14:29:23 Lots of shills and bots with qubic https://inv.nadeko.net/embed/9BQglj6CEW0 Even this semi big mining youtuber 14:29:53 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> u cant see comments in the embed view you know 14:30:28 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> and also: just use youtube 14:30:29 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> waste google's bandwidth loading all the assets 14:30:32 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> :3 14:31:27 Didnt want to help the video with the algo 14:31:50 Xenu join the marketing team 14:31:51 will keep it as anti moonboy as possible 14:31:53 @lordx3nu:matrix.org 14:32:37 👆 14:33:07 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> make a change.org petition for xenu to join it 14:36:38 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> but atleast we have 3 mems here 14:36:39 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> yay 14:36:41 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> thats cool 14:36:52 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> but atleast we have 3 mems there 14:44:45 Is there any simple tutorial on Gupaxx + XvB to share? 14:45:47 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> make a reddit sticky. it's that easy. support questions can be answered in the post's replies. 14:46:34 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> destigmatize crypto being for hackers only 14:47:22 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> bring back human drawn monerochan art, everyone forgot about it 14:48:23 <1​7lifers:matrix.org> https://old.reddit.com/user/XMRArtFund see the last activity 14:48:29 I have found https://moneroguides.org/tutorials/00x03-mining-monero-p2pool-quick-start-guide/ but it might falsely state to use original Gupaxx for XvB while XvB requires Gupaxx fork from Cyrix126 repo? 14:50:37 Plus a youtube tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiyItDKbEAo is also for original Gupax, not mentioning XvB 14:53:10 I have found https://moneroguides.org/tutorials/00x03-mining-monero-p2pool-quick-start-guide/ but it might falsely state to use original Gupax for XvB while XvB requires Gupaxx fork from Cyrix126 repo? 14:54:52 https://sethforprivacy.com/guides/run-a-p2pool-node/ is also quite popular, but also not mentions XvB 22:05:52 time to take monero marketing seriously. To grow monero's economy, security and funding. 22:05:53 Join the marketing team 22:05:55 https://matrix.to/#/#moneromarketing:matrix.org 22:39:39 The Gupaxx setup video on their GitHub (https://github.com/Cyrix126/gupaxx) is a good starting point + their official tutorial is also well-done and easy to follow :) 22:40:09 https://xcancel.com/AilliaLink/status/1951408183978688973