13:44:02 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> https://x.com/Its_nighteous/status/1961424002942992648 https://xcancel.com/Its_nighteous/status/1961424002942992648
14:11:56 <plowsof> 😬
14:21:54 <br-m> <monerobull:matrix.org> hey guys
14:52:20 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> wait so are they a scam or are they not a scam? 
14:56:11 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> mbll is being sarcastic
14:56:34 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Changelly isnt to be trusted until they prove otherwise 
14:56:53 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> OH 
14:56:53 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> makes sense 
14:57:02 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> im dumb today idky
14:57:02 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> thanks
14:58:30 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I wonder if monerotime is going to pay you
15:00:07 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (honestly). After making bokd statements and then tweeting he'd pay 69xmr out of pocket, i honestly hope he's not screwing you
15:07:51 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> I did drop him a message so lets see if that happens. or else hey, xmrsigner gets to have a new OS which works in prod for them, I just put this on my resume and my prize would be the knowledge I gained
15:08:18 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> but yeah, hope he ain't screwing around. I wanted to keep it a trust based payment where I ship and then he pays. so that the same incident doesn't happen again which happened earlier 
15:50:40 <plowsof> where this all stems from, (is MoneroZone == MoneroTime?) there was a complaint left under the latest xmrsigner payout update which another user upvoted. as a result, the payout for this is currently in limbo , comment here https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/495#note_30005 
15:51:39 <plowsof> if nighteous could give an overview on the state of the project as is that would be helpful 
16:00:49 <plowsof> also the final milestone is 65 XMR https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/blob/master/vThorOfflineSigningLibrary_XmrSignerToProduction.md?plain=1#L21 
16:02:13 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> plowsof: well idk if MoneroZone == MoneroTime since Monero Zone is also an account on X (@MoneroZone) and (@MoneroTime) also exists
16:02:13 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> but eh, both could have the same account idk, doesn't matter to me much lol
16:02:13 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> second now for the current state, Things barely work, are out dated, cannot be used without fixes. The tools around it (such as moneroemulator) also was not working so actually developing it would be constant flashing to the RPI which would destroy its NANDS[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/gN2_gLAKVmdGa3Nn ]
16:02:39 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> so it is incompletely complete
16:02:39 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> things are there but those things don't work or work in the wrong way
16:04:43 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> plowsof: yes the final milestone is indeed for 65 XMR but there was this X thread which  shared above (https://xcancel.com/Its_nighteous/status/1961424002942992648) in which he claimed that it was false advertisement from MoneroTime
16:04:43 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> now I did talk to him and would love to trust him about it but since its my first time working on anything CSS related, I have no clue how it works
16:04:43 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> how does it work out now that the previous developer is somewhat out of the picture
16:14:04 <plowsof> vthor is around as of a few days ago. everything ofrnxmr said reg the protections CCS proposers have while in progress is true , you will not earn a single piconero from the CCS wallet without a combination of community approval / proposer handed a performance review deadline etc and your name merged into the master branch of the CCS repo.
16:14:04 <plowsof> MoneroTime/Zone is not affiliated in any way what so ever with the CCS wallet payout or administration 
16:17:51 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> plowsof: getting my name merged into master branch is not the biggest headache 
16:17:51 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> that will happen once im done with the whole thing 
16:17:51 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> and yes, he did say this that he isn't affiliated in anyway 
16:17:55 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> so I do have a question
16:18:15 <plowsof> iiuc the xmrsigner was designed to be one time use / amnesic right? (is this what you mean by needing to flash it each time?) and are these issues accurate or are you critisisms not mentioned in this update? (things to do / fix) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/495#note_29994 
16:19:10 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> @nighteous:matrix.org: lets suppose I do finish this off and xmrsigner does release their first production ready OS which is also what the proposal wants to happen
16:19:10 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> Will vthor get the payment or what happens?? since the proposal got finished in that situation plowsof
16:24:36 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> plowsof: its designed to be amensic, yes with the option to have persistence with the sd card if available (this is opt in)
16:24:36 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> that is not what I mean by flash it each time
16:24:36 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> When I said "flash it each time", it would be for whenever I change the code, to update the code on the device itself, I would have to create a new dev image and run it (atleast this is how I saw the code to be like) which absolutely destroys the device if done alot of times. (I have destroyed 2 phones like this)
16:24:36 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/le-RgbAKc25zVUZE ]
16:26:01 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> I am taking a different approach, Im building xmrsigner with the performance flaws of monero-wallet-rpc since shipping the working prototype matters more than perfecting it right off the bat to me.
16:28:16 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> and also flashing would be a one time thing as an end user activity. 
16:28:16 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> It is just for development that I need to do it again and again and realised its better to use the emulator first 
16:28:31 <plowsof> as it stands now, vthor would request payout if its complete. this is not a bounties.monero.social and this is milestone 3 - building upon a body of work - the correct route to take over a CCS would be to highlight the bad - the proposer respond and the community to decide on a deadline or time frame to complete the work, you can perform charitable
16:28:31 <plowsof> work for your own portfolio and request donations outside of the CCS because every other proposer with work in progress proposal will be clutching their pearls and the union chiefs will bust our balls 
16:29:58 <plowsof> " realised its better to use the emulator first " yes the emulator that vthor got into a working state @ https://github.com/DiosDelRayo/monerosigner-emulator ?
16:30:58 <plowsof> are you aware of monero-python by any chance nighteous?
16:31:44 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> plowsof: yes, I got it to a polished state where it doesn't crash constantly and updated things in it
16:32:01 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> vthor did the major heavy lifting for this, thanks to that it works for me
16:32:22 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> plowsof: yep, I am aware of it 
16:32:22 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> I was looking into it as well and that vthor had his own fork to it 
16:32:41 <plowsof> monero-python makes bindings to monero-cpp , this monero-python is new https://github.com/everoddandeven/monero-python
16:33:22 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> what union? and why would the other proposers with work in progress "clutch their pearls" huh > <plowsof> work for your own portfolio and request donations outside of the CCS because every other proposer with work in progress proposal will be clutching their pearls and the union chiefs will bust our balls 
16:33:30 <plowsof> i assume the monero-pyton in signer now is the old one which is mostly a wallet-rpc wrapper , the monero-python above is in a round about way https://github.com/woodser/monero-cpp
16:34:57 <plowsof> everoddandeven suggested it would help alot 
16:35:34 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> plowsof: yeahh 
16:35:34 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> I did see this,everoddandeven suggest this to vthor and vthor (who was planning to shift to C++) didn't find it helpful 
16:35:36 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> but yes I get it 
16:36:16 <plowsof> have you had any contact with vthor?
16:36:19 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> plowsof: yessss this should be possible to use and shift since its just removing the wrapper and directly talking to the bindings 
16:36:19 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> which is definitely alot lot better
16:37:00 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> yepp 
16:37:25 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> I know he was shifting to C++ (I hope i didn't misunderstand) because we talked about it and what he was planning to do 
16:38:12 <plowsof> do you have a public repo of your prev works?
16:39:24 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> none of it is related to monero or such developments but I can happily share it over in the DM (wouldn't like to keep it public)
16:39:51 <plowsof> do you know anything about solar panels and mining monero (and controlling computers using python from external input .. weather.. other info) 
16:43:18 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> plowsof: solar panels, never worked with those directly (might do soon to setup my homelab and have it run off a offgrid using solar)
16:43:18 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> Mining monero, yes. But do you mean the logic behind mining like how does RandomX work and how is it mined? (I know from a high level perspective but definitely would be fun to dive into the cryptography behind it)
16:43:18 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> or do you mean just setting up and running it off with something like xmrig or just monerd (atleast stagenet worked with monerd) in pools 
16:43:18 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/-_XVgbAKTk1JeUlZ ]
16:43:27 <plowsof> an abandoned proposal SoloptXMR (mentioned in https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/537) is available to inquire about taking over 
16:46:05 <plowsof> current progress @ https://github.com/endorxmr/SolOptXMR 
16:50:36 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> I can look into this plowsof
16:51:17 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> I'll do my charitable for xmrsigner and get their release done because some users on X mentioned that they wanted it 
16:51:17 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> and then I can ask on how to inquire about taking over, not sure about the whole process
20:25:12 <n1oc> [CCS Proposals] Ralph Robertson opened merge request #608: Just generated my initial proposal. the first 2 milestone will be much quicker... https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/608
20:25:39 <br-m> <entre667:matrix.org> n1oc: That was me!
20:31:01 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @entre667:matrix.org: use a proper title, ffs. 😂
20:32:08 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> this is what should've appeared in there... Develop Decentralized Social Marketplace "Seer"
20:34:07 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Congratulations and best of luck! https://x.com/MoneroSpace/status/1961527676277309593
20:34:07 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> nitter: https://xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1961527676277309593
20:35:32 <plowsof> Lets start with asking AI how to get checkboxes to display correctly in markdown https://github.com/ralph4-op/seer
20:36:16 <br-m> <entre667:matrix.org> Okay I will next time
20:36:33 <plowsof> Lol
20:36:34 <br-m> <entre667:matrix.org> I used my branch as the title not the fork
20:37:39 <plowsof> My 1st impression + seeing your commit at .aming it more readable from username "user"  https://github.com/ralph4-op/seer/commit/33cf4546a33d8178d802a8096e31a491f659fa43 
20:37:41 <br-m> <entre667:matrix.org> lol
20:38:15 <plowsof> It did. It make it more readable so lets work on those check boxes 
20:39:55 <plowsof> Its almost a monero network simulator https://github.com/ralph4-op/seer/commit/54c06bfbe0349c107343c15961fdd1d47655f367
20:40:24 <plowsof> Vibecoding has been merged to funding in the past so best of luck 
20:42:50 <plowsof> Take 2 zeroes off the asking amount , then half it. 10. Then link your prev contributions to the monero project 
20:43:23 <plowsof> Sorry for thinking out loud 
20:47:03 <plowsof> Struggling with the markdown , did you test it? 😆 https://github.com/ralph4-op/seer/commit/33cf4546a33d8178d802a8096e31a491f659fa43 this is awesome 
20:47:09 <br-m> <entre667:matrix.org> plowsof: I'd need 54 more IQ points for that to be plausible.
20:47:50 <br-m> <entre667:matrix.org> Was gonna add more to the readme
20:48:02 <br-m> <entre667:matrix.org> add 100 more lines
20:49:14 <plowsof> 😍
20:50:57 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> hey gpt, please add 100 more lines lol 
20:50:59 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> oh my bad 
20:50:59 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> claude
20:51:20 <br-m> <entre667:matrix.org> No was gonna be something more detailed like which api's and marketplaces to reach out to?
20:51:28 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> The scope creep on this is insane, no wonder it got stuck at the last 20% (which take up 80% of the dev time) > <plowsof> current progress @ https://github.com/endorxmr/SolOptXMR
20:52:32 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> Are there any real users of the current software? Is it in a usable state?
20:52:37 <plowsof> Its... Yep. It even moves into providing guides on physical construction of the setup and health and safety points 
20:54:23 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> Voltage levels vs state of charge on lead acid accumulators was my favorite :)
20:56:27 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> @ct:xmr.mx: I wonder if something like a "plugin system" could save the devs from the scope creep
20:56:28 <plowsof> Im not aware of any. I was shown an image of someone next to a solar panel claiming they where using it  
20:57:23 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> If your solar+battery system can't report state of charge natively, you have bigger problems. No need for visual detection of a voltmeter with seven segment display to then convert it to the battery charge level...
20:58:40 <plowsof> Ive seen several people post solar .mining stuff on reddit not using solopt https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/1dk6azs/solar_powered_mining_rig/
20:58:53 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> probably could vibe code an actually usable MVP in a weekend
21:02:02 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> I dont like how people reduce threads to lower consumption or turn on/off entire machines. It would make much more sense to modulate CPU package power to get the best efficiency and max utilization at any available power
21:02:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> There was some ppl who has good stuff a coupke yrs ago
21:02:56 <plowsof> Does solopt need to exist if people keep losting their solar mining setups without it 
21:03:05 <plowsof> Posting* 
21:05:40 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> @ct:xmr.mx: usually its "easier" to just reduce the threads instead of dealing with those aspects of the machine
21:05:43 <plowsof> It would make sense to re-scope the ccs if something useful csn be made out of it? 
21:06:57 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> plowsof: depends on if there is something similar that some other community might be using?
21:06:57 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> like if SolOpt was needed then there might be something like it for BTC already?
21:07:48 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> Well yeah its easier, but for 110xmr you would think that a script that optimizes mining on solar... optimizes the efficiency?
21:08:26 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: ^
21:09:02 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> there was someone in a monero mining pool room who had posted their stuff years ago
21:09:18 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I doubt i'll be abke to find it
21:09:28 <plowsof> The one with home assistant stuff right?
21:09:30 <br-m> <nighteous:matrix.org> @ct:xmr.mx: You would think, thats what I also thought that for 196 XMR, things would be working in xmrsigner but that doesn't seem to be the case 
21:09:38 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But id bet it already exists for various projects
21:09:43 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: Yeah
21:10:09 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You remember that i shared the video here years ago?
21:10:26 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i'm looking for it now
21:11:17 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> @ct:xmr.mx: plus with power level adjustment you can load balance in real time (sub second response time)
21:16:57 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/NFxqMQzWqenxDEbYUMsZlfrQ.mp4 (2023-06-26_09-44-46_20250829211549.mp4)
21:17:23 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> "agentharm" on discord
21:20:02 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> "everything I use, anyone could cobble the same together with homeassistant, as long as they had some smart plugs, an inverter that has an integration and the XMRIG integration, the images show the dashboard I have in homeassistant for it all, and the Dedicated miners picture is a later revision of that dashboard to how hash per watt"
22:20:26 <br-m> <entre667:matrix.org> okay made some more changes to the readme > <plowsof> 😍
22:58:37 <br-m> <entre667:matrix.org> How long would it take for me to code an MVP for my DApp? > <@ct:xmr.mx> probably could vibe code an actually usable MVP in a weekend