09:21:59 <4rkal> The Monero Standard is back! 09:21:59 <4rkal> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1n4c0sj/the_monero_standard_is_back/ 10:08:16 Hey did you know that another shitcoin forked monero ? (Noxcoin) 10:08:16 Guess what, they didn't change the genesis block hash, so anyone can load the monero blockchain in their nox node to have a longer chain and cause a big reorg 🤣 10:08:16 https://github.com/noxcoin-project/noxcoin/blob/0f520c93b44a66f195eda06e8c78e3ecf59c37d5/src/cryptonote_config.h#L237 10:08:16 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/7fe199facc6785e816ff2cb6b46b4f6af6fce099/src/cryptonote_config.h#L236 10:12:49 <17lifers:matrix.org> YES 10:12:52 <17lifers:matrix.org> DO IT 10:12:54 <17lifers:matrix.org> xd 10:13:47 @lm:matrix.baermail.fr: has that happened yet? 10:15:40 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/GzQwZLVrJClPufJaMobCacWb.png (image.png) 10:15:42 get fucked pubic 10:15:56 better pic https://irc.gammaspectra.live/75a222b64967774a/image.png 10:16:04 Monerobear has left and bull is back 10:16:30 their slow block propagation due to their own self-inflicted decision is really harming them 10:16:41 Noxcoin? Eh some reddit threads pisting it on moonshot type subreddits https://www.reddit.com/r/AltStreetBets/comments/1mqx2ja/noxcoin_monero_fork_with_fixed_supply_randomxcpu/ never heard of it 10:16:49 any of their long chains can be killed by two monero blocks in succession 10:17:01 and by "quick" I mean within like a minute :D 10:17:07 no i am still long term bearish if we cant find a decent solution to finalize blocks and prevent multi-day reorgs 10:22:08 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.baermail.fr/DhYOWvmVrQqDnjQtlAuDKVYH.png (20250831_10h26m39s_grim.png) > <@monerobull:matrix.org> has that happened yet? 10:22:42 Every release when we update checkpoints 10:23:01 @lm:matrix.baermail.fr: so once your synced up, your node is the longest chain? 10:23:33 plowsof: do we release every other day 10:23:53 that (multi day reorgs) works on current day checkpoints 10:24:15 one peer is already doing it, I could if I install nox on my machine with the monero node 10:24:16 the higher frequency ones is a ... different use :D 10:24:23 even a daily PoS finality layer finalization would be enough to make me calm down 10:24:43 that way businesses could go like "ok, all transactions for yesterday finalized, lets ship them out" 10:25:40 a week-long re-org could still do too much damage 10:25:52 @monerobull:matrix.org: 2 weeks 10:25:56 but 24 hours would be reasonable to deal with 10:27:54 if you lose 1 day of transactions, that sucks but nowhere near as much as losing an entire week 10:28:29 What means lose transactions 10:29:08 plowsof: a reorg changing global output index so your transactions need to be remade 10:29:09 We are not anywhere close to even an hour of reorg, worrying about a day is like wearing tin foil hat 10:29:42 https://xcancel.com/c___f___b/status/1962083649186062617 10:30:15 @elongated:matrix.org: thats because no actual big boy data-centers are attacking us 10:30:25 or at least not that we know of 10:30:32 @lordx3nu:matrix.org: Fun time ahead, when checkpoints coming into play ? 10:30:33 @monerobull:matrix.org: Sure, one day 10:32:11 Gov’s holding millions of xmr is new fud by ppl opposing pos based finallity layer 10:33:09 plowsof: how’s the checkpoint testing progressing? 10:33:47 That is Rucknium and ofrnxmr wheelhouse currently , Rucknium is going to out a report together of pros cons soon 15:52:39 Monero Hashrate: 15:52:39 Qubic 2.11 GH/s / 4.50 GH/s → 46.9% 15:52:39 It doesn't look good.. 15:52:39 This momentary bribe explains why its hash power increased:[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/gZbO0rAKMUFxWkZt ] 15:52:41 "[...] An enemy at the gates is less fearsome, because he is known and bears his banner openly. But the traitor moves freely among those within the gate, his whispers whispering through every alleyway and heard in the very halls of government." 15:52:41 𑁋Marcus Tullius Cicero 15:59:24 The trick is: Qubic is not just mining Monero and then torching money for fun. They engineered an incentive loop. Here’s the breakdown: 15:59:24 1. Base layer – mine Monero. 15:59:24 Miners contribute CPU cycles, solve RandomX, get XMR block rewards. That’s the same as any other Monero pool. 15:59:24 2. Conversion layer – pool takes custody.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/6JPo0rAKSHRDTUIx ] 16:00:46 @liberlion:matrix.org: Math isnt mathing 16:00:50 "any of their long chains can be killed by two monero blocks in succession" @datahoarder:monero.social , just curious, is that a recent insight? Looks almost to easy to be true ... 16:01:36 it has happened several times 16:01:43 they have slow broadcasts due to unknown txs 16:02:07 so before nodes accept their alts, if monero finds a second block after the first that triggered them to release the chain 16:02:11 they are side to side 16:02:22 so the "older" one is usually seen as altchain 16:04:42 Fluffy blocks = very fast, not fluffy blocks (with unknown txs, especially if multiple blocks) = slower propagation. Extending the length of our own chain before syncing the alt chain means we are longer now. Correct me if i'm wrong @dh 16:05:56 very fast.* (period) 16:09:30 Would the selfish mining gamma parameter be "negative" in this situation? Losing every network propagation race and even losing races when you have a head start. 16:18:40 I have two available examples I saw live, but yeah. both cases had two monero blocks within less of a second of each other 16:19:01 so the "alt" chain ended up as alt/abandoned, or shorter 16:19:41 in this last case https://irc.gammaspectra.live/4fef6fbad228100a/7_deep_qubic_orphan.png 16:20:19 I saw up to 699 or 698 on my nodes, then went back :) 16:20:56 "Extending the length of our own chain before syncing the alt chain means we are longer now." 16:21:00 correct, parity or equal 16:21:05 and if parity, we were there first 16:22:25 they also sometimes have 6s+ delays for other reasons. haven't measured exactly when 16:41:46 Those NoxCoin people forked the Monero code with cutting history. I would say that's a bit of bad style. 16:48:13 Obnoxiouscoin 17:01:09 Without own genesis block they anyway now have quite some problem on their hands :) 17:04:51 And well, going even lower with fees in this day and age of Qubic's mining attack based almost 100% on economical incentives, and after going through at least two big spam waves made possible at least in part by low Monero fees, I am a bit confused, frankly. 17:26:23 @monerobull:monero.social: stop asking for spam with emojis 17:26:48 its not spam its an accessibility feature 😭 17:28:13 Accessibility is when you break every idiot software developer who didn't implement Unicode properly/software developer with an out-of-date tileset's code 17:29:39 ‏Accessibility is when you break ‎left to right in the middle of the text 17:30:16 i hate when i accidentally enable that setting in firefox 17:30:24 i think its ctrl + x? 17:30:57 Besides https://ccs.getmonero.org/ where else would you recommend raising capital for a project? I'm open to exploring various different chains and cryptocurrencies? 17:32:52 More content on Q*bic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdphmN5YV7A 17:33:00 @entre667:matrix.org: I'm looking for enough startup capital for infrastructure including a few dozen tb for the first few gateways and enough for 7-9 devs for 3-4 months? 17:39:21 what are you trying to build? 17:40:10 btw 7 devs is going to run you like 85k for 3 months 17:51:52 @monerobull:matrix.org: huh thought it would be more? I was developing a social marketplace. I'd call Seer. 17:51:52 think twitter or another social forum/feed. But when you type $ it prompts you to choose an escrow and than your post receives a verification making it more visible. users can search financial trends based on demand which would start with a $ or they can search # for regular content that just grabs there attention. 17:56:57 i dont think that ccs proposal would even get merged 17:57:42 its primarily to fund people working on monero, not lead seedrounds for startups 18:01:34 ssf slop slush fund 18:23:05 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Your an NPC fagot. 18:23:35 @monerobull:matrix.org: Where would you recommend looking? 18:29:30 Ideally non-kyc funds. Either someone I could meet on localBitcoins but if you have other online places or contacts to apply for let me know? 18:29:33 Zcash 18:30:56 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Zcash isn't based. 18:30:56 https://zfnd.org/grants/aml-kyc-requirements/ 18:30:57 Seriously 18:31:24 I looked for them before https://ccs.getmonero.org/ 18:31:31 @entre667:matrix.org: Arent you integrating them? 18:31:38 Yes 18:31:46 @entre667:matrix.org: What did they say 18:32:04 I'll see if I can pitch more to individual contacts there. 18:36:48 Some of them seemed impressed at first with the pitch. But obviously I'm not a 10x dev as you know. 18:39:50 In other web3 spaces, I've had more luck. 18:39:59 @entre667:matrix.org: Link? 18:50:54 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/qnOBdySjtxNhductSxgLdXNK.png (image.png) 19:08:09 Ah i see. You made it up 20:02:33 [CCS Proposals] selsta opened merge request #609: selsta part-time monero development (3 months) (18) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/609