13:54:49 plowsof: maybe you know something about this, im trying to build the onion monero explorer but it fails, chatgpt says i should do git checkout monero version 17.x to make it work. does that sound right? 13:55:07 Nope 13:55:29 bad chatgpt 13:56:13 hm what do i do then 13:56:35 whats the error 13:56:49 the error is asking chatgpt 13:56:51 checkout the devel branch of the onion explorer , and that you have built the master branch of monero https://github.com/moneroexamples/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer/tree/devel 13:57:15 https://github.com/moneroexamples/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer/tree/devel?tab=readme-ov-file#development-branch 13:57:41 63%] Building CXX object src/CMakeFiles/myxrm.dir/MicroCore.cpp.o 13:57:41 /home/monerobull/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer/src/MicroCore.cpp: In constructor ‘xmreg::MicroCore::MicroCore()’: 13:57:41 /home/monerobull/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer/src/MicroCore.cpp:23:9: error: ‘cryptonote::tx_memory_pool::tx_memory_pool(cryptonote::Blockchain&)’ is private within this context 13:57:41 23 | m_mempool(m_blockchain_storage), 13:57:41 | ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/-r3ClLQKQXBCOFg0 ] 13:57:46 it does fall out of sync with master sometimes, im not sure if it actually builds currently, but i have hope 13:59:09 build on devel branch with master - should be no errors 14:02:21 thanks for the help guys 14:07:14 ai is the new 1st level tech support 14:08:11 chatgpt if you are ready to apologise the rest of the class would like to hear it 14:09:54 i told it to fuck off and gave the new insights to grok instaed 14:09:57 ct i read some advice on how people get helped - you post your question , then you prompt AI to provide an obviously incorrect answer as a comment - this angers someone who then provides the answer when they would have otherwise ignored it 14:10:44 the suggstion of "just use monero .17 lmao" was so sus, even i realized it cant be correct 14:13:22 I've made good progress with the. "Teach me how to" prompts rather then the "do the work for me" prompts 14:14:51 i will literally have it re-generate the entire step by step every time there is a slight issue 14:15:37 so grok got to [ 95%] Building CXX object CMakeFiles/xmrblocks.dir/main.cpp.o before failing 14:15:44 thats progress 14:22:59 grok said 14:23:00 To resolve the compilation errors related to Boost serialization for tools::wallet2::unsigned_tx_set and tools::wallet2::signed_tx_set, these types lack member serialize functions (they use Monero's epee serialization system instead of Boost by default). The explorer code in src/page.h is attempting to deserialize them via a B [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/2JiflbQKOGNISEQy ] 14:23:00 Add the following code to enable non-intrusive Boost serialization for these types. Create a new file src/serialization_fix.h in the explorer directory with this content: 14:23:36 im just going to follow what it says and see where it takes me 14:31:41 @ct:xmr.mx: Thats my name 14:33:13 To build the "master" branch of onion explorer, use the release tag of monero git checkout v0.18.4.2 && make -j4 14:34:02 and the onion-explorer expects the monero build be in single build dir afaik 14:34:09 Yes 14:34:39 USE_SINGLE_BUILDDIR=1 make -j4 iirc 14:34:48 Thanks needle 14:35:22 yes, built it myself recently and struggled a bit too until I figured everything out 14:35:42 Shoulda asked chatgpt /s 15:17:26 thanks guys 15:17:40 i gave grok what you said and it worked after a bit more troubleshooting 15:20:26 unlike chatgpt, grok actually goes and looks for solutions directly in the code 15:32:58 why do u need grok 15:33:17 The instructiona are like 2msgs above 15:33:43 Could have just gave terminal what we said 🙃 15:34:07 bro forgot to turn on thinking mode 15:34:33 sorry that's mean 15:35:46 vibe brain 15:36:24 And grok/you dont need to read the code, reading the readme is enough 15:39:39 btw running it worked but not setting it as a service 15:39:47 so i am working on that rn 15:43:09 As a systemd service? 15:44:03 monerobull have you tried the docker instructions? 15:44:34 No 15:44:51 I wanted to try as a normal service since that's how monerod rubs 15:44:53 Runs 15:45:58 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/p/94jPl7QKdFV1TDZN/1.txt (code snippet, 15 lines) 15:45:58 somethimg like that 15:47:37 Disclaimer: i dont use systemd, this is a wild guess 15:48:27 I use cron 15:49:02 great, monerod is fucked 15:49:12 this is what i get 15:49:16 ill just keep using xmrchain.net 15:49:17 ffs 15:58:29 fucking finally 15:58:57 the issue was that i asked the llm if there are any other configs i might want in my service file 15:59:14 and it set the blockchain dir to read-only 16:12:26 How? Lol > <@monerobull:matrix.org> great, monerod is fucked 16:12:44 permissions stuff 16:12:51 i get the weirdest fucking errors here 16:12:55 Ran it as a different user? 16:13:15 i get a positive curl on the machine itself but now i cant access it from my pc for some reason 16:13:20 its not the firewall 16:13:26 here's the issue 16:13:27 > 17:58:57 the issue was that i asked the llm 16:13:29 that's the issue 16:13:31 port? 16:13:42 can anyone link a good video explaining how mining monero helps the community? 16:13:44 8081 16:13:54 8081? Or 18081? 16:14:23 exponens: Probably a lot of videos about how POW mining helps secure the network 16:14:43 POW? 16:14:45 The explorer is supposed to run on 8081 16:15:08 Oh, youre talking about curl'ing the explorer? 16:15:22 You can run it on whatever port you want, fwiw 16:16:51 not just curling, access in general 16:16:54 its probably somethign in the config file again 16:17:44 which config file? 16:18:28 the service file 16:18:36 I run xmrblocks like .. ./xmrblocks -p 9955 -d 127.0.0.1:18081 -b ../../stressnet/stressnet2/lmdb/ 16:18:43 yeah i tried so many things i didnt notice i copied a ip restriction into the service file 16:18:46 @monerobull:matrix.org: Run it w/o the service file to see if it works 16:19:17 alright 16:19:27 congrats, it works 16:20:59 does anyone out there mine XMR for the money? Or is it all support-the-community driven? Just curious 16:21:23 the xmr you get from mining is worth money 16:21:44 how much its worth, depends on how much you sell it for 16:22:28 maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem very profitable (in terms of electricity cost) 16:22:41 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: ^ 16:22:58 Its definetly not profitable if you sell it for less than it costs you to mine it 16:23:16 Well you can only really sell it for the market price, right? 16:23:20 Or am I wrong in that 16:24:04 If it costs you $1000 per year to raise chickens, are you going to sell those chickens for $700? 16:24:06 Its obviously not profitable if you choose to sell them for $700 16:24:36 Oh, are you implying one could hold the monero until it's worth more to make a profit? 16:25:31 exponens: You're wrong. You can sell at whatever price you want. Its called a limit order 16:25:49 exponens: yes, and that you can set your sell price however you like 16:25:56 But who would buy chickens for $1100 if someone is already selling them for $700? 16:26:50 someone who doesnt want to KYC, or someone who wants to be able to take custody of their chickens 16:27:07 You can buy xmr for 270 on kraken right now, but you cant withdraw it 16:27:22 that's interesting 16:27:32 so there are different types of markets which sell xmr at different prices? 16:27:47 if everyone sells at 1100, people would stop selling at 700 16:28:08 exponens: Yes. Haveno / retoswap can be like 5-10% above kraken 16:28:26 Basicswap about 1-10% above 16:28:34 xmrbazaar ~5% above 16:28:50 because no KYC, and (this is crazy) the ability to withdraw it? 16:29:09 Because the orice you see on kraken is fake / unreal 16:29:24 If you go to kraken and want to buy 1xmr using cash, its nkt $270 16:29:31 Its $270 + fees 16:29:49 If you want to sell for cash, you dont get $270. You get $270 - fees 16:30:14 ok but what about my original question 😅 16:30:21 do people do it for the money? 16:30:28 or mainly for helping the community 16:30:34 so why should someone on havenoreto sell for $270, if the cheapest you can actually get from kraken is like $280? 16:30:46 exponens: Of course 16:31:07 the xmr i mined at $130 is now worth $270 16:31:12 (at least) 16:31:26 that's investing/trading though 16:31:38 People dont mine xmr as a get-rich-quick scheme/ because thats unreasonable 16:31:38 Well I guess that is for the money 16:32:17 they do it with pools, right? 16:32:34 I mine at a "loss" but I get heat which offsets that plus Cat enjoys laying on the mining rigs = priceless :) 16:32:43 Most hashrate uses pools, yeah 16:32:56 Nioc, that doesnt sound like a loss to me 16:33:05 I don't mine in the summer 16:33:10 Sounds like youre purchasing a catwarmer and peace 16:33:12 yes hence the "" 16:33:30 nioc: what do you mine with? a home PC? 16:33:56 i mine with a home pc 16:33:57 a few 16:34:22 fiatdemise recently posted a nice lil minisforum pc that runs about $600 and gets 19kh 16:34:45 I have an old minisforum at home :o 16:34:51 maybe I'll set it up over the weekend 16:35:14 AMD cpus are better because they have more L3 cache 16:35:51 takes a while to accrue much mining with 1 comp 16:36:19 Well I'm not really using the minisforum at all right now 16:36:22 or even a few 16:36:29 I bet it'll do at least something over a year 16:36:37 yep 16:37:01 Look at you electricity costs. If youre spending $50/mth in electricity, dont expect to accumulate more than $50 in xmr 16:37:39 It's running anyways as a tailscale exit node for my vpn 16:38:26 Obv it depends on your local electicity rates, and the efficiency of your rig, but typically you shouldnt expect to make $500 by spending $50 16:39:51 got an old laptop to play around with 16:39:51 checks xmrig.com/benchmark 16:39:51 CPU is in the top 20 ... of lowest hash rates listed on that site lol 16:43:23 should be listed as HR/watt 17:13:09 Lmao is monerica compromised or why the hell would his article about P2P monero trading first not mention haveno at all and after being called out, naming a dead network? 17:42:03 Update: I think they just haven't had much to do with haveno and the whole thing can be pretty confusing at first 19:04:06 @monerobull:matrix.org: They shilled "coinwallet" when sponsored 19:04:33 Not much integrity from them if im bring frank 19:04:38 Being 19:05:06 Coinwallet ships changelly and is a sorry excuse for a wallet, that skims funds 19:06:32 Coinwallet might literally be run ny changelly 19:08:04 Yes 19:08:26 wouldnt surprise me 19:47:05 It is not profitable for 90% > maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem very profitable (in terms of electricity cost) 19:49:13 How do you cool down your pc because I have a laptop and I need a way to cool it down? > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i mine with a home pc 19:50:03 Lower voltage a bit = 10* degree drop 19:50:16 @freddypa:matrix.org: 10* 19:50:19 10%* 19:50:42 fr? 19:53:03 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: i havo pay 0.6€ per KW/H 19:56:33 Some people (bots) pay nothing 19:57:04 0.6€ is incredibly expensive 🤣 19:57:12 Yes 19:57:16 I probably pay more like 0.1 19:57:18 or no 19:57:44 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: May I ask where you live? 19:58:04 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> netherlands? > <@freddypa:matrix.org> i havo pay 0.6€ per KW/H 19:58:09 North america, on weekdays 19:58:31 @17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh: Germany 19:58:46 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> ha i was close 20:00:11 But my parents pay the bill so yesss > <@freddypa:matrix.org> i havo pay 0.6€ per KW/H 20:00:31 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> based 20:01:06 Huh? What does based mean? 20:01:24 You mean to tell me that, it costs 1000€ to mine 1xmr, but yall sell for 230€?? 20:01:35 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> you live in best conditions xd 20:01:47 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> based means u agree 20:01:57 do yall not do math in europe? 😳 20:02:07 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Where can I get more? 20:02:20 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> we outsource it to ofrnai 20:02:26 No wonder it got delisted in europe 20:02:48 yall selling for a 75% loss is irresponsible 20:03:00 @freddypa:matrix.org: You post your xmr for sale at the cost of mining it 20:03:24 Anywhere. Stop selling it for a 75% loss. yall crayzee 20:03:38 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> no you become a pirate and steal everyones cpus 20:03:53 how do you calculate the kWH per XMR? 20:04:00 is it dependant on the setup? 20:04:31 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> 5500u = 25w 20:04:32 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: If I get monero (i dont have xmr) I am gonna keep it all because it is gonna be the only way (exept cash) I can pay 20:05:01 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> <3 20:05:17 br-m: what is `u` in that formula? 20:05:35 @17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh: And sell for 75% less than the power consumption? Crazy 20:05:39 <17lifers:mikuplushfarm.ovh> lmao 20:05:52 Even a stolen xbox is worth at least half of a used one 20:06:09 75% discount is blasphemy 20:06:11 Jesus Christ bro get you parents to switch to a cheaper contract. 0.3-0.4 should be easily possible > <@freddypa:matrix.org> i havo pay 0.6€ per KW/H 20:06:18 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Tell me where i can sell it for 1000$? 20:06:51 Retoswap, xmrbazaar 20:06:53 @ct:xmr.mx: Huh not in Germany 20:07:03 Some cex if its still available 20:07:35 yes in germany 20:07:44 wait so 1 monero takes ~1600kWH to mine? 20:08:16 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I am a programmer. You have a job for me where you can pay me in xmr? <3 20:08:29 Google stromanbieter vergleich 20:08:31 might be regionally different within germany 20:08:37 They ask for plz 20:08:39 exponens: depEnds on your hashrate per watt 20:09:15 @ct:xmr.mx: Ich schaue es mir mal an, aber danke 20:12:23 ohhh 30,88€ > <@ct:xmr.mx> yes in germany 20:12:29 Danke 20:13:18 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx ? T-T > <@freddypa:matrix.org> I am a programmer. You have a job for me where you can pay me in xmr? <3 20:16:48 T-T? 20:17:09 It is a crying emoji 20:17:30 prices usually stay this good only for years. Sometimes companies raise it by a few cents after, sometimes they add insane markups (but still cheaper then what you currently have). > <@freddypa:matrix.org> ohhh 30,88€ 20:17:30 But a reminder in you calendar to switch to a different contract in time before it auto renews for maximum savings 20:17:32 ;_; 20:18:14 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: So you have a small job for me? 20:19:29 What sort of programmer are you? Link to previous works? 20:19:35