01:11:54 P2P circular economy markets: 01:11:54 https://forums.d2jsp.org/ 01:11:54 https://traderie.com/ 01:11:54 https://diablodex.com/ 01:11:54 https://www.eldorado.gg/[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/-4jF2MUKV2pCWWpk ] 01:11:55 is /u/jespow even still around? he would know what am talking about 11:22:59 logs pushed 👍️ 11:22:59 also: 11:22:59 https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=105343392&f=27&p=679793427 11:22:59 To get something you never had, you have to do something you never did.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/i_mC6sUKMTc4YWta ] 11:23:48 (am currently muted from #monero by plowsof, saj lol) 11:27:55 continuing offtopic after a few gentle requests and annoying others generally gets you muted 11:29:44 https://monero.town/post/6912112 13:37:43 https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=106240674&f=383&p=679795244 13:37:43 in case u missed it, not gonna make alt accounts, thank you to anyone that saw value in those markets 13:37:43 there is indeed people that dont want p2p to grow for monero, explained the reasoning in the thread, it's a theory but seems to make senses, good luck everyone! 15:58:52 [CCS Proposals] Diego Salazar opened merge request #622: 39C3 Support https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/622 16:19:49 hello world 16:48:59 @diego:cypherstack.com: https://x.com/MoneroSpace/status/1986113393250738454 16:48:59 nitter: https://xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/1986113393250738454 16:48:59 Good luck, sir. 16:56:34 why does this cost so much 16:57:20 monerokon had to pay tens of thousands to lafabrika but how is this +70k? 17:00:24 @monerobull:matrix.org: CypherStack pricing... 17:00:42 Sorry, Godie, gotta stir it up a bit, it's on-brand with me anyways. :P 17:01:32 @monerobull:matrix.org: He says in the description pretty much that it is already all covered with sponsors, this is just further assurance, loot, to reimburse and pay for stuff. Maybe... read the description before jumping the gun on the 200 XMR request? 17:01:44 Also, read where it says it's split in two milestones, maybe? 17:01:54 Half upfront, half after event. 17:02:22 Just maybe... I guess, you do you... 17:02:36 have to account for any volatility between now and 5 years in the fuutre when the 2nd milestone is claimed after invoices are sent 17:04:39 so what do they actually need the money for if its all covered > <@rottenwheel:unredacted.org> He says in the description pretty much that it is already all covered with sponsors, this is just further assurance, loot, to reimburse and pay for stuff. Maybe... read the description before jumping the gun on the 200 XMR request? 17:04:49 plowsof: eggzaktly this lol. 17:04:56 @monerobull:matrix.org: do you know how to read? apparently you don't. 17:05:00 sorry,i mean about 4 years instead of 5 :P 17:05:05 he lists some of the items he's refunding in the description. 17:05:13 for fuck's sake. 17:05:15 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/blob/master/36c3.md 17:05:39 plowsof: to be fair that's not on Diego, bad call out. void. 17:05:57 that's on Matthew, I think his name is and RIAT. 17:07:21 yes, i chased up the invoices with RIAT, great guy, not a call out on Diego 17:07:40 LMAO!! > have to account for any volatility between now and 5 years in the fuutre when the 2nd milestone is claimed after invoices are sent 17:08:40 The CDC is "leveling up" so to speak. Our influence in C3 proper (biggest hacker conference in Europe as a reminder) grew by leaps and bounds last year. 17:09:23 The cryptography workshop that Cypher Stack put on was one of the most well attended in the conference. It was standing room only in a 50 ft radius 17:10:19 This is much to the chagrin of C3 organizers. Cryptocurrency is not popular with Germany hackers. 17:10:32 So they put a lot of little feedback niggles on us. 17:10:54 "You need to utilize your space better, we want your workshops to have better layout," etc 17:11:31 So this year the CDC is doing things like making custom benches to increase seating while keeping the same size (Since we don't need space between each seat), and investing in other equipment that we can use in future years. 17:12:19 Matthias sat on several C3 boards last year as well, so their ability to kick us down like Defcon is very limited. 17:12:28 We're trying to use these next couple of years to really cement ourselves in the conference as not just a mainstay, but a primary attraction. 17:12:48 Something we didn't push hard enough on Defcon, and so Monero stopped being able to have our own village there 17:13:20 @diego:cypherstack.com: I miss Vegas, Diego. ;( 17:13:35 Who can talk to you know who and score us back? 17:13:41 Let's buy some badges, that'll do. 17:13:45 😂😂😂 17:13:54 XMR DEFCON slapped. 17:14:09 that last participation during covid shenanigans sucked donkey balls. 17:14:12 awful year. 17:14:22 never again. 17:14:24 This past Defcon we were able to put on a Cryptocurrency Community at Defcon and it did well. Maybe this upcoming year we can get re-upgraded to a Village. But it won't be able to be just Monero themed. 17:14:43 Communities, being a new thing they tried out this past year. Mini-villages basically. 17:14:54 I commented on the proposal as follows, ""You state, "A more complete budget will follow soon." "The money will be used for all sorts of things", you then list some of the things but do not give any monetary values given to the items you mentioned. 17:14:54 A more complete budget needs to be given before this is even considered."" 17:14:58 but most of our content was privacy and Monero focused 17:15:04 just to be abundantly clear, rogue rotten is interested in volunteering these endeavors. let it go on record. 17:15:30 nioc: Understood. Matthias is putting it together now. 17:16:07 people already upvoted w/o knowing where the $ was going 17:16:15 And I figured most people would want a more complete budget. This was more to get things discussed in the zeitgeist. 17:16:24 And to see if Monero is still interested in funding this kind of stuff 17:17:17 I am sure that there is interest but depends so...... 17:18:26 70k feels absurd 17:18:58 we can rent LaFabrika for 2+ years for that 17:19:04 We can do a lot of things without the CCS. We did C3 and Defcon without Monero's help this past year 17:19:26 nioc: excuse me, I fully keep the upvote. don't speak for me. thanks. 17:19:28 but we wanted to get Monero back involved if they'd like. Moreso since there's no MoneroKon this year. 17:19:29 but yeah, difficult to know w/o the numbers 17:19:41 you speak for yourself, I speak for myself. capisci? 17:19:50 rotten I didn't speak for you :) 17:19:59 roger that. 17:20:04 Just making sure. :) 17:20:54 just strange that a budget which is a yuge part of a CCS proposal was not included 17:21:08 not much to discuss w/o it 17:21:25 we dont even rent a venue 17:22:10 nioc: Agree, but I'm also not advocating for a merge right now. I know people want to see the budget. 17:22:33 so announcing an announcement lolol 17:22:43 I will wait 18:45:05 <321bob321> 70k is someone's yearly wage 19:31:23 We all do > <@rottenwheel:unredacted.org> I miss Vegas, Diego. ;( 19:31:33 Except the peanuts. They hate this sort of stuff 21:28:42 the riat guys are solid, they pulled far more weight during Mk then we expected them to 21:33:33 I don't like the ask for 200xmr on a "trust me bro"-basis either. I'd like to see at least some details on what the money will be spend on, and if there are other contributions outside of CCS. As far as I understand the assembly a collaborative effort after all 21:35:16 a handful of users where banned from #monero-offtopic today after the spam wave. one of these included spirobel for "Racial / homophobic slurs + feeding the troll" as displayed by @banhammer:matrix.org 21:35:24 an error occurred and banned him from -all rooms- not just offtopic but instead of reaching out on #resolutions:monero.social or sharing the reason, just claim darkfi has taken over the matrix : https://xcancel.com/spirobel/status/1986149239920222676 21:37:13 What I am not worried about is the requested amount. Yes, monerokon managed to brake even, but it was an event mostly for the existing community. 21:37:13 C3 is probably the best outreach opportunity we have. 15k+ tech interested people, and not the "let's put everything in to the cloud" kind. To my pov, this would be marketing money well spend 22:20:50 <321bob321> @plowsof:matrix.org: Mental break down ? 22:24:03 @ct:xmr.mx: Absolutely. Nioc is correct that this is mostly an announcement of announcement. A letter of intent, if you will. 22:24:20 I fully expected nobody to move forward with this until the budget is posted. 22:25:44 all right, I'll keep an eye on it for updates 22:47:38 I am not convinced with the whole ethos of purchasing stuff for later events. We have done this a few times, at fairly high expense, and it's never actually clear who has the stuff in between "events" that are often separated by years as opposed to months. 22:49:02 I don't necessarily know a better way (renting?) but just throwing it out there, that if there is a questionable element to all this, the purchasing of equipment that sometimes never gets recycled into Monero events is what it is. 22:50:30 I mean, we don't even seem to have a master inventory list across all events, even though we have probably spent €5k+ (at least) on equipment over the last few years. 22:51:59 Even the RIAT guys have stuff from way back, but it's not clear (at least to me), what or where that stuff is. 22:52:24 But anyway, that's my peanuting for the evening. 22:53:37 @midipoet:matrix.org: @ct:xmr.mx lead the effort to track items that were put in storage or under care of individuals after MK5 22:57:41 > <@midipoet:matrix.org> I am not convinced with the whole ethos of purchasing stuff for later events. We have done this a few times, at fairly high expense, and it's never actually clear who has the stuff in between "events" that are often separated by years as opposed to months. 22:57:41 Mk stuff is in a storage box ajs rented, I store some of the tech stuff (phones, computers) that need to be updated prior to their next use. 23:01:26 That's great. But there is loads of stuff in the states as well as far as I remember, and a load of stuff that was bought for C3 previously (again as I remember) 23:02:23 I am not sure if anyone has an overview of this, even though we (as a community) should. 23:03:14 after mk25 we spend a lot of time painstakingly listing items in storage, down to individual cables. That list was hastely written, and needs some organizing. There was no inventory list for prior mk's, simply because it is a lot of work 23:06:42 @ct:xmr.mx: Yeah, I totally understand. It's just that we have bought so much stuff over the years and haven't tracked it consistentl. I don't think it was malevolent and it's not the fault of any single person, and more everyone (me included). I just think we should make an effort to either improve the process, or stop buying stuff. 23:08:09 > <@midipoet:matrix.org> I don't necessarily know a better way (renting?) but just throwing it out there, that if there is a questionable element to all this, the purchasing of equipment that sometimes never gets recycled into Monero events is what it is. 23:08:09 regarding the cost: it would have cost more to rent similar items for the weekend then to buy used stuff. Yes, we spend a bit more on tech, simply because we bought stuff that we woudn't have rented (eg the APs, and nodes) 23:10:09 @ct:xmr.mx: I know. This is always the justification. But at the end of the day, all it means is that we have a load of stuff in a load of different places. 23:11:02 @midipoet:matrix.org: agreed. I'm in touch with riat to organize equipment usage for C3, and any new equipment should be noted down. Lending of any twisted Edwards inventory of of course required community approval 23:12:14 having stuff at different places isn't inherently bad. No need to bring US inventory to EU and vice versa