00:29:26 <br-m> <plaiwanone:matrix.org> GM
14:01:23 <plowsof> meeting in 2hrs: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1293 
14:01:50 <plowsof> which ever idiot double booked this meeting for 16:00 see me in my office, pronto 
14:13:42 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Just a little comment: You can remove Seraphis Migration workgroup from the proposed meeting items :) (So far the group of people working on FCMP++ does not seem to call themselves FCMP++ working group ...)
14:25:23 <plowsof> ok, better to rename it to FCMP++ Stressnet updates then? 
16:00:03 <plowsof> Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1293
16:00:06 <plowsof> Greetings!
16:00:19 <br-m> <fungible.:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/WJjRniwhcPCPmZALDsvBGRzl.jpg (media_G4ylB7dakAAh33L.jpg)
16:00:25 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Aloha
16:01:58 <plowsof> i missed the new p2pool update, seen it on https://monero.observer/p2pool-v4.12-released-full-tor-support/
16:02:12 <plowsof> DataHoarder discovered that today Qubic had their centralized mining task server stop working for several hours ... https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lounge/20251108#c608798
16:02:41 <DataHoarder> ^ context, onion was supported before, but now there's explicit support for exposing them and connecting to onion servers. Onion seeds are exposed too
16:02:55 <plowsof> FCMP++ stressnet 1.4, whats new? 👀 https://github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/releases/tag/v0.19.0.0-alpha.1.4
16:03:04 <DataHoarder> Onion discovery is done via publishing the addresses on shares, effectively gating it after PoW
16:03:22 <DataHoarder> both p2pool and go-p2pool support this (seed servers are both implementations!)
16:03:27 <plowsof> "exposed" as in available for connecting to or 
16:03:41 <plowsof> sorry, ignore^
16:03:43 <DataHoarder> I always had onion p2pool nodes for observer, for example :)
16:03:53 <plowsof> nice
16:04:04 <DataHoarder> but now these addresses can be discovered and automatically connected via standard means, not manually added
16:04:52 <DataHoarder> I'd give you an example but I didn't build any UI for it. Mini has a couple of users already exposing a .onion this way :)
16:05:35 <DataHoarder> (they set it up + found a share to list it). Note that this links addr <> .onion, but as we say in p2pool, always use a different wallet for mining
16:06:14 <DataHoarder> There's other good to have patches in v4.12 so upgrade :)
16:06:20 <DataHoarder> </ad>
16:06:38 <plowsof> DH's go-p2pool @ https://git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/consensus 
16:07:18 <DataHoarder> https://git.gammaspectra.live/P2Pool/go-p2pool but yes, < this is a wrapper around consensus library
16:08:36 <plowsof> jberman CCS update is FCMP++ progress heavy https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/600#note_32851 
16:10:56 <plowsof> getmonero beta from redshade @ https://getmonero-redesign-impl.vercel.app/downloads/ , who has an open CCS idea for it also 
16:11:38 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cake reached 1million downloads
16:11:40 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero-project/monero repo reached 10000 stars
16:12:22 <plowsof> https://github.com/monero-project/monero wow
16:12:48 <plowsof> i've added a star, hadn't starred it, sorry 
16:13:23 <plowsof> almost there https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ 
16:14:20 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> hello
16:14:49 <br-m> <fungible.:matrix.org> o/
16:14:50 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> last big update on that part was to add i18n support to the downloads page
16:15:10 <plowsof> (i did not see ofrnxmrs message on matrix from my morg account)
16:15:48 <plowsof> homeserver chainsplit? irc remains unaffected https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20251108
16:16:35 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> yeah getting delayed msgs here
16:17:18 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> we can speak slowly
16:17:31 <br-m> <datahoarder> I see monero.social getting IRC messages fast
16:17:35 <plowsof> thanks 
16:17:38 <br-m> <datahoarder> so seems to be Matrix federation as usual
16:17:39 <br-m> <fungible.:matrix.org> dont join irc, it leaks ip address for all chat to see, so unless you're behind a vpn, then do the cloak thing, wouldnt recommend irc (there is some heavy irc shills that been around tho, that never mentioned that)
16:18:10 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> devoice fungible plz
16:18:14 <br-m> <fungible.:matrix.org> ofrn = on feds payroll
16:18:20 <br-m> <datahoarder> @fungible.:matrix.org: you can force-join with cloak before being in the server, which is default in many servers nowadays. 
16:18:29 <nioc> everyone already knows that  
16:18:38 <br-m> <datahoarder> Yeah. They joined a few days ago to prepare for spam
16:18:46 <br-m> <fungible.:matrix.org> 👍️
16:19:20 <br-m> <fungible.:matrix.org> the matrix lag seems to be better now, all good
16:19:22 <DataHoarder> monerologs should get messages relatively quick for other Matrix users
16:21:00 <plowsof> you can also join via https://web.libera.chat/ 
16:21:11 <br-m> <fungible.:matrix.org> nothx
16:22:13 <plowsof> tor is allowed but the account "must be created without tor". an alternative IRC network which afaict is more tor firiendly is OFTC 
16:22:26 <plowsof> anywhos
16:22:48 <plowsof> #feather is on oftc for example, right 
16:23:07 <plowsof> redshade is here, lets discuss their ccs first 
16:23:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Can talk about how-to-join-irc-with-tor after the meeting
16:23:28 <plowsof> yeye
16:23:30 <plowsof>   e. [Getmonero.org Redesign Implementation](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/620)    
16:23:44 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> redeshade, from the new monero implementation blitz fame
16:23:54 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Looks good and solid progress already
16:24:07 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I appreciate that the work has begun and the repos are available
16:24:44 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> 🫡 wanted to have solid "proof of work" available first
16:24:58 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And that everything seems to be done well (in my uneducated opinion). I haven critiqued the codebase
16:25:26 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ignoring the finer details of the proposal, its a +1 from me inho
16:25:39 <plowsof> is your downloads page translated for both desktop and mobile view? 
16:26:32 <plowsof> the official getmonero downloads page is only translated for mobile users , not desktop, i noticed this today, so you may have surpassed the existing 
16:26:54 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> yes, all components used are exactly the same for both mobile desktop, some have responsive styling within components in order to adapt to smaller screens
16:27:19 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> so no more one big custom.css file
16:27:55 <plowsof> existing site has functionality (50% broken but still) for displaying different versions of binaries ,  this is rare but it has happened , have to confirm with selsta 
16:28:21 <plowsof> i also discovered this today with my torrent PR , as the torrent will lag behind official relase for a week or 2 until DNS are updated https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2555 
16:29:11 <plowsof> example https://deploy-preview-2555--barolo-time-757cf9.netlify.app/downloads/ 
16:30:07 <plowsof> so the betas downloads page is better than what we have already? xD
16:31:22 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Do we have to rely on dns? Or can we just use the commited hashes.txt
16:32:22 <DataHoarder> afaik that's just for webseeds^
16:32:38 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> for a delayed torrent if accepted on site? just a delayed release incase there is a bug found. when dns go live that means the software is presumed OK enough 
16:32:44 <DataHoarder> unless you mean plowsof to get new domain in for torrents
16:33:19 <plowsof> if you want to see a torrent update you follow an rss feed :P 
16:33:24 <plowsof> the future is now
16:33:56 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> i'd prob add that in by changing the "Download" dropdown to have buttons for direct link/magnet link, something to try around in the design > <plowsof> existing site has functionality (50% broken but still) for displaying different versions of binaries ,  this is rare but it has happened , have to confirm with selsta
16:34:41 <plowsof> the torrent itself wont even touch the DNS' or anything, its just a good time to display the updated / seeding^ yeah 
16:37:06 <plowsof> any other things to mention from your end redsh4de 
16:38:33 <plowsof> sad that our getmonreo downloads page is horrible spaghetti code 
16:39:00 <plowsof> alot of headaches caused there 
16:39:06 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> plowsof: currently i am planning to work on the i18n system to be more easier to use when translating a paragraph or any text content that includes links, or lists, line breaksm etc. Currently doing inline html as a proof of concept, but probably going to do a markdown preprocessor for that, as just inline opens up to XSS attacks via translation files
16:40:11 <plowsof> existing site is locked to a version of po4a because....... something about lists being used in tags ... but here is po4a worklow i cobbled together , dunno if useful now or later https://github.com/plowsof/monero-site/blob/po4a-staged/.github/workflows/po4a.yml 
16:40:30 <plowsof> ok thanks redsh4de
16:41:19 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> new one should be very easy to extend - i seperated core downloads and community downloads into two distinct files, the one for Core is meant to be auto updated by CI, second for community should be manually edited, then descriptions must be translated in the respective i18n file > <plowsof> sad that our getmonreo downloads page is horrible spaghetti code 
16:42:25 <plowsof> nice, ok lets move on
16:42:25 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> site imports the data and displays it all nice and pretty: https://github.com/redsh4de/monero-site/blob/main/src/data/downloads/community.json
16:42:37 <plowsof> 👀
16:43:28 <plowsof> make "add this" , "remove that" great again 💪
16:43:33 <plowsof> any comments on :
16:43:39 <plowsof>   a. [Monero Python Maintenance](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/598)    
16:44:07 <plowsof> i've been too busy past 2 weeks to test :( 
16:44:37 <plowsof>   b. [v1docq47 - monero konferenco 2025 voice-over and working on xmr.ru](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/607)    
16:45:29 <plowsof> v1do left a follow up comment to mine @ https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/607#note_32601
16:46:14 <plowsof>   c. [acx part-time work on Monfluo 2025Q4](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/616)    
16:46:31 <plowsof>   d. [xmr-support-thorchain](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/619)    
16:46:45 <plowsof> no updates on thorchains proposal , unless?
16:47:01 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Arent they doing it on their own
16:47:47 <plowsof> by choice and force (after community feedback)
16:48:29 <plowsof>   f. [anon: full-time on daemon & fcmp](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/621)    
16:48:51 <br-m> <fungible.:matrix.org> 👍️
16:49:17 <br-m> <0xfffc> +1 for anon CCS
16:49:53 <nioc> for anon, the people working with him should get the say as to whether or not to merge
16:50:11 <plowsof> thanks for feedback 
16:50:13 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> +1
16:50:31 <br-m> <0xfffc> nioc: We are already quite short on developers. And we need a experienced dev like him. DEFINITELY
16:50:42 <br-m> <0xfffc> s/a/an/
16:51:07 <br-m> <rucknium> IMHO, potential contributions by anon need to be reviewable, meaning at least two (preferably three) longtime developers are willing to review his code to check its mergeability. Potential reviewers should look at his previous PRs to see what they would get themselves into. jberman said he would be willing to be a reviewer. That's one.
16:51:30 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> There are 2 or 3 devs willing to review (and even restructure) his code
16:51:42 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 0xfffc is 2
16:51:57 <br-m> <0xfffc> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Me for example
16:51:59 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Selsta already +1'd the proposal
16:52:01 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> 2 in 1?
16:52:20 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> powerful 0xfffc 😄
16:52:52 <br-m> <rucknium> sech1 commented that anon's PRs are usually too big. That they change too much sensitive code. But if the architecture is bad, then wouldn't the changes need to be big and all at once?
16:52:59 <nioc> 0xffc I did not say no
16:53:07 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> jberman and 0xfffc dont care about the size
16:53:16 <br-m> <rucknium> Would selsta be wiling to review anon's code?
16:54:04 <nioc> I just said who should be making the decision 
16:54:08 <br-m> <0xfffc> @rucknium: Do we need selsta to review all the codes? Of course selsta input is valuable. But forcing him to review?!
16:54:10 <br-m> <rucknium> OK. It seems that there are a minimum of two willing reviewers now.
16:54:12 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> remember selstas monero fork we used to run binaries from for stable servers? 
16:54:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Selsta was involved in the prior submissions (even submitted some via proxy) and ran the code and tests
16:54:17 <br-m> <0xfffc> And I don’t understand why we should ask selsta reviews for approval
16:54:20 <br-m> <0xfffc> Of this ccs
16:54:58 <br-m> <0xfffc> ( again, which is fine. )
16:55:18 <br-m> <rucknium> We don't need selsta to review, but @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx replied that selsta +1'ed the proposal. I want to clarify that selsta would not be one of the reviewers (or, would).
16:55:35 <br-m> <fungible.:matrix.org> as long as he doesnt introduce an inflation bug in the code like an insider dev did in ravencoin few years ago lol
16:55:56 <br-m> <0xfffc> @rucknium: Selsta +1 is valuable imho.
16:56:25 <br-m> <rucknium> selsta needs to speak more.
16:56:26 <selsta> I +1 because we need more developers and in his last CCS he did valuable work.
16:56:40 <br-m> <boog900> @fungible.:matrix.org: this is one of the huge problems of making massive changes to subsystems and why reviewing takes so long 
16:56:45 <br-m> <boog900> I am not against this proposal though 
16:57:03 <selsta> I'm not going to review all his code, I don't know where that comes from. I would not have the knowledge for this.
16:57:13 <br-m> <rucknium> Thanks, selsta, for explaining your +1.
16:57:40 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (I didnt say you would review, fwiw :P. I think ruck was just asking)
16:58:34 <br-m> <rucknium> Yes, I think there was just confusion with the sequence of messages that seemed to be a direct reply to my suggestion.
16:59:54 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> just to quickly share the pre-announcement (as no budget has been supplied yet) for this ccs:   g. 39C3 Support (https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/622)
17:00:22 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> at the hour, any other things to mention?
17:00:46 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Simplex going on monerotopia in a few mins
17:01:26 <br-m> <fungible.:matrix.org> when the next meeting?
17:02:24 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> in 2 weeks fungible which is... 
17:02:26 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:  after the price report 😂
17:02:47 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @fungible.:matrix.org: Bi-weekly. Every two weeks. 
17:03:02 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @plowsof:matrix.org: Price report is done
17:03:06 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> 11/22, should bee.
17:07:49 <br-m> <lordx3nu:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: So we are in hour three of twenty?
17:09:34 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ya
17:11:16 <plowsof> lol thanks all for joining the hour