00:55:02 acx part-time work on Monfluo 2025Q4 is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/acx-monfluo-maintenance-and-further-development-3.html @luigi1111 01:10:26 Gift cards may be a scaling solution but they are not an L2 as they do not inherit the trust assumptions of Monero. 01:11:54 Yay additional scaling options off-chain 01:24:37 <321bob321> Do I have to say it was a joke ? 03:01:42 MAGIC Grants Monero Fund Committee elections are live! Nominate yourself, cast your votes away, if you feel like - https://github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund-Elections 03:01:42 Nominations for committee members and voters opened today, 12/05, close 12/31. 03:01:42 Reddit thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1pey3l4/magic_monero_fund_voter_applications_and/). 03:01:42 Direct link to sign up and be able to cast your vote: https://my.liberaforms.org/magic-monero-fund-nomination-form-2025-12 14:03:11 Meeting in 2hrs~ https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1305 16:00:20 Meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1305 16:00:35 GM. Be back in 5min 16:01:11 greetings, the Blocksize (mis)information wars appear to be in full effect 😬 16:01:31 Hello. 16:01:45 hello 16:01:58 thankfully https://libera.monerologs.net/ is alive again, thank you anon. #monero-research-lounge has alot of this being discussed recently 16:02:22 https://github.com/gupax-io/gupax/issues/137 hello hinto 16:02:23 Hello 16:02:36 is the transfer going well? 16:02:55 <0xfffc> Hi everyone 16:02:58 i can confirm the signed pgp statement comes from hinto 16:03:19 hello 16:03:58 msvb-lab does ChangeNOW want to seek feedback on some outreach? 16:04:23 I've transferred Gupax to @lm:matrix.baermail.fr and they are currently in the process of porting Gupaxx to gupax-io/gupax, they should also have ownership of the gupax.io domain in a few days (takes a bit of time to transfer apparently) 16:04:30 plowsof: yeah, the comment on agenda was confusing 16:04:46 Yes, let me explain. 16:04:49 @datahoarder:monero.social: reminder that the "by hinto-janai" on p2pool.observer should be updated :) 16:05:01 First of all, I wrote the topic wrong because it's Changelly not ChangeNOW. 16:05:09 Sorry for making that very dumb mistake. 16:05:12 msvb-lab: Oh, nack 16:05:35 I've had some on line and in person meetings to respond to different Changelly people trying to serve Monero users more. 16:05:37 thank you for GUPAX hinto , nice to see it thriving 16:05:47 But lets play devils advocate. Whats the gist 16:06:02 changelly is , ,, , mission abort 16:06:11 The purpose of this meeting agenda item is to ask us all, do you have an opinion about Changelly and is it positive or negative? 16:06:22 Negative 16:06:56 Is there an easy way to understand why Changelly is not well received, and is the problem limited to past actions of several years ago? 16:07:19 changelly is listed as a scam wallet on the r/monero subreddit 16:07:41 I don't feel like searching the internet in five places to inform myself, and meetings with them imply to me that their wishes are normal ones. To serve Monero users more or better. 16:07:49 i think it stems from their shotgun-KYC , and constant stories of people claiming to go through the KYC steps and have funds not returned (anecdotal) 16:08:05 I don't have a well developed opinion on the matter, and I see some things that they did wrongly were far in the past. 16:08:31 msvb-lab: whats stopping them from serving monero users? We're not going to promote a service that has a history of stealing funds on bogus shotgun kyc 16:09:00 changelly do not appear on kycnot.me 16:09:25 Nor orangefren or trocador 16:09:36 Nobody wants to associate with them 16:09:54 Does Shapeshift (old) and Majesic (also old) appear in any of the places for groups abusing KYC? I mean, is it true that Changelly is more abusive than other groups during this and last (2024) year? 16:10:23 Majestic has probably never requested kyc 16:11:25 Some services like FixedFloat will request SoF etc when they receive dirty funds, and will return the funds or process the swap if the sender can confirm that they arent the thief 16:12:00 Majestic had problems with complaints by users when their transactions failed and were left without funds that should have been returned, but as with all services this was usually due to slow work that later was corrected. That's why I put them on the complaints list. 16:12:49 afaik, they cleared up any issues when they came to light, but yes majestic also had a spotty history with rates not matching etc 16:13:02 But majestic doesnt exist anymore, so is irrelevant 16:13:09 Is it true that Monero community places promote groups using KYC, but doing so responsibly? Or are the places that ban Changelly doing so because all KYC using sservices there get banned? 16:13:24 The former 16:13:44 Okay, I'm just trying to understand this now. Still no well developed opinion. 16:14:23 So if we understand that Changelly is using KYC in a responsible manner and has not abused KYC for several years, then it would mean that we the community want to help them serve Monero users. Is that right? 16:14:51 trocador and orangefren both list services that will perform aml checks on incoming funds and will request kyc if they fail the checks. But they also have kyc-free services listed 16:15:14 msvb-lab: No. I think they should do whatever they need to do on their own 16:15:41 "Fool me once? You fooled me. Fool me twice? ...i won't be fooled twice" - george w bush 16:16:02 Trocador and Orangefren do not list Changelly as a reputable service, right? 16:16:31 i dont think they list them at all 16:16:40 We can close this topic soon, but I plan to bring it back a couple times unless more than two people are informed about the situtation. I'm also planning to talk to Orangefren and Cake people, to find out what the truth is. 16:17:00 @plowsof:matrix.org: We do not 16:17:08 If nobody else has an opinion about Changelly, then we can move on to the next agenda item plowsof. 16:17:22 their public image is tarnished , no one has any reason to align themselves with them unless for a quick $ 16:17:35 they need to fix their public image first 16:17:56 @plowsof:matrix.org: Coin Wallet aligns themselves with changelly 😂 16:18:15 Hi orangefren, cool. I think they are very aware that they need to fix their public image and are working (finally) to do so. 16:18:57 The question is if Changelly's recent efforts come from true intentions to do the right things and have really departed from the abuse in past years. 16:19:31 Actions speak louder than words. I don't think any dialog is going to change anything 16:19:38 They never seemed to care about their reputation as far as I can tell. For instance they never reached out to us 16:19:54 Because if they are permanently starting to do the right thing now and behave as well as most other groups, it would not make sense to punish them. 16:19:58 plowsofLLC would advise them to start a new shell company under a new name and figure it out from there 16:20:20 I still don't know about this, but let's please move on because the topic is taking too much time. I'll come back with another round in a month after researching a bit more. 16:20:45 thanks for bringing them up msvb-lab 16:20:58 @plowsof:matrix.org: They can call it Changedlly.... 16:21:09 Orange Pi RV2 owners, rejoice, sech1 is making huge advancements for you and your mining farms 16:21:55 https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig/pull/3736 and https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig/pull/3740 16:22:33 Monero Blocks https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools DataHoarder. beautiful 16:23:20 Rucknium is in the nginx/cert box config file trenches migrating moneroresearch.info to a new host and released some nice updates to the xmrspammer for stressnet https://github.com/Rucknium/xmrspammer 16:24:06 MAGIC 2nd funding round for fuzzing (and MAGIC committee applications begin) https://donate.magicgrants.org/monero/projects/fuzzing-monero-2 16:24:51 upcoming EigenWallet release from @binarybaron:matrix.org and @einliterflasche2:matrix.org https://eigenwallet.org/changelog.html 16:26:40 Thanks especially to people using xmrspammer and reporting problems. Should be much more reliable for the beta stressnet. 16:27:04 how much starting capital did you put into your 9 wallets you brought online recently? 16:27:17 in sXMR 16:27:23 Upcoming basicswapdex release should have electrum support for btc-like wallets. No reliance to run nodes for every coin 16:28:17 50 sXMR each. Much more than needed, but I have a few thousand sXMR to burn anyway. 16:28:49 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/kxqUrtRKArVnAjtldUCJZfxX.png (1765038548587581745232277023269.png) 16:30:10 UI looks very nice 16:30:29 displaying the electrum node/full node depending 16:31:08 anything else to touch on ( the blocksize war is on-going ) 16:31:27 Lots of fud on twitter. Pretty annoying 16:31:54 Fwiw, zano and other cryptonote coins inherited the same 100mb packet size limit 16:32:05 And zcash has a 2mb(?) block size limit 16:33:08 i think i need to retract my opposition to sech1's max_weight mining param, as this is probably a cleaner way to add the limit w/o requiring a hard fork to remove it 16:34:50 can follow this via #monero-research-lounge:monero.social #monero-research-lab:monero.social , lets cover the open CCS ideas 16:34:52 a. 39C3 Support (https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/622) 16:35:13 this left off at the budget being shared https://repo.getmonero.org/-/project/54/uploads/756dd76bbdf11bf755ee30e67c907003/2025_Budget_CDC_39C3__rev2__-_main_2_.pdf 16:36:33 was discussed last meeting https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20251122#c615861 16:37:05 open for feedback 16:40:04 moving on to cover the rest in the hour, do share feedback if you have any though 16:40:09 b. emsczkp research Bulletproofs* (https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/626) 16:40:28 consensus from MRL to have this merged 👀 16:40:31 This was discussed at the last two MRL meetings 16:40:37 Hi, I’m the proposer of the Bulletproofs* research. Thank you all for giving me this slot. 16:40:56 just wanted to let the community know that this proposal has already been discussed in previous MRL meetings, and last meeting (on 3 December), it received strong consensus by the core team. I’m now waiting for the proposal to move to the next step. 16:40:56 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20251203 16:42:11 thanks for clarifying , should then be merged at the next opportunity, not much else to discuss here then 16:42:28 i was in the back of the class, so i didn't know about this proposal. MERGE IT NOW OR I'LL STUFF A PUMPKIN IN PLOWSOF COMPUTER 16:42:56 thanks for joining 16:42:58 c. j-berman full-time part 12 (4 months) (https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/628) 16:43:47 d. selsta part-time monero development (3 months) (19) (https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/629) 16:44:25 e. vtnerd 2025 q4 (full-time) proposal (https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/630) 16:45:12 ✅️ emojis have been left under jberman, selsta, and vtnerds proposals 😄 16:47:35 6 emojis 16:47:37 per person 16:47:38 AOB: MAGIC Grants elections are live ^ > <@rottenwheel:unredacted.org> MAGIC Grants Monero Fund Committee elections are live! Nominate yourself, cast your votes away, if you feel like - https://github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund-Elections 16:47:58 6 - 6 - 6 :( 16:48:14 7 now 16:48:15 good job 16:49:11 would anyone like to bring some other business up? 16:49:34 I've published a report for the EVM-XMR Atomic Swap UI CCS 16:50:06 milestone 1 is done, on track to finalize milestone 2 by the end of the year/early Q1 2026. 16:50:30 and worked on a maker bot which should be testable around Xmas 16:50:47 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/597#note_33358 16:51:28 "Given the recent price appreciation of Monero, I've decided to spend some time building a maker bot without filing a separate proposal as was initially planned." 16:51:30 w0w 16:52:11 redsh4de also lowered the xmr amount on their funding req due to price appreciation 16:52:31 Some honorable / admirable actions from both 16:52:38 was that b4 funding? 16:52:42 Nope 16:53:07 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/627/diffs 16:53:12 its not funded yet, but was already up for funding when the amount was lowered 16:53:14 https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ 16:54:46 question: Is there a rule that prevents having 2 CCS proposals? 16:54:51 What is the status of organising Monerokon in Turkiye? Does anybody have an opinion about this? 16:54:55 I have this WIP proposal https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/SNeedlewoods-02_part-time-dev-work.html for which I recently made pull requests and I'm waiting for reviews. 16:54:55 I'd like to make a new proposal starting in January to continue dev work, but my WIP wont be finished by then, so I would make sure I have enough time for work on review comments 16:55:06 the xmr-xmr precedent allows this 16:55:10 mj-xmr* 16:55:15 @sneedlewoods_xmr:matrix.org: no rule prohibit this, it's more a pr problem 16:55:28 aka "do public consider that you can fight on both front" 16:57:59 msvb-lab: @orangefren:monero.social may be interested in organizing a monerokon 16:58:01 alright, will write a proposal then and see what the feedback is, thanks 16:59:00 sneedlewoods so you have to wait for reviews to continue? 16:59:34 btw nice to see you're alive SyntheticBird 17:00:06 @sneedlewoods_xmr:matrix.org: thx you very much. but I'm actually undead 17:00:26 It seems some (maybe many) people don't like Turkiye in general, for good reasons that unfortunately apply to 90% of other countries as well. 17:01:05 @ofrnxmr: Briefly: 17:01:05 Following a failure to secure a venue in Belgrade we reached out to a venue we previously used for a meetup in Turkey. They are interested in hosting and capable of doing so. We are ironing out the details. Our team hasn't decided on pursing this yet, but if we reach consensus internally and don't run into any deal breakers with the venue then we intend on organising it 17:01:26 @plowsof:matrix.org: the way I phrased it, the milestone for the CCS is completed "when the code is merged into monero project", which in hindsight was not the wisest decision 17:02:38 msvb-lab: The food? 17:03:05 @ofrnxmr: The food is amazing 17:04:12 Turkey is a great place, been living there for years, but it is currently not the safest place for developers working on privacy tech 17:04:35 @sneedlewoods_xmr:matrix.org: Merge shouldnt be a req before moving on. There are prs that dont get merged for yrs, and yours is rather large 17:05:38 I got once in Turkey, and there was a sniper rifle in the front glass of a shop 17:05:52 that's a hell of place 17:06:35 an open end to the meeting here, thanks all for attending 17:06:46 thanks plowsof 17:07:31 this meeting was sponsored by the Universal Time Constant and the holiday spirit 17:07:35 Maybe kernal.eu (XMR ATM and MoneroPay) people might be able to chime in. I think they went to/from Turkey often. Temporary residency, whatever. 🤔 17:07:35 RIP one of MoneroKon's directors... 17:07:57 Thanks for a good meeting and thanks plowsof for the good moderation. 17:11:34 nioc: Is there a place that openly welcomes privacy devs? I don't know of one 17:12:17 @orangefren: Theses days seems mainly court houses and prisons 17:12:48 I am cluleess, was just sharing an opinion of someone with experience 17:13:21 the usa should be safe if we donate to the ballroom :D 17:14:02 Hello everyone! 17:14:02 Updates from my side on the website redesign project: 17:14:02 * The blog is live, with pagination and a RSS feed![... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/tJCd8c8KRm9pZUVR ] 17:14:22 fund this person ^^ 18:04:44 Yep hinto, I have been holding up from doing observe updates and I have been doing major v5 changes to go consensus 18:25:52 ' 18:53:23 <321bob321> Beta.monerodevs.orgy loads quick 19:23:33 Frens - would you rather go to Monerokon in the EU (you will be fingerprinted if you're a foreigner) or in Istanbul, Turkey? 19:33:33 @orangefren: I think "EU or Istanbul" ultimatum is not the best way to put your question... 19:34:20 Fair. Two questions: 19:34:20 Would you NOT VISIT the EU? 19:34:20 Would you NOT VISIT Istanbul? 19:35:06 <321bob321> Turkey you can pay people off easier 20:18:56 @orangefren: I prefer the EU / Schengen, but I have Spanish citizenship. It also closer to Canada 20:25:49 The other thing to consider is that transit through the EU /Schengen involving different countries., for example entry via Germany and exit via Switzerland will require clearing customs and immigration. This is because the flight between Germany and Switzerland is considered domestic. 20:27:01 Turkey is fine though 20:33:35 @articmine: Thanks for the feedback! 22:42:21 simplex twitter is compromised, do not click on their fake perp dex 22:50:24 Oof