16:51:26 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> Hi, we are two french guys in tech working on a start up that will create a new era for monero for two reasons: 
16:51:26 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> -by helping it stay legal in E.U through legal loopholes we found. 
16:51:26 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org>  -We also found a way to make the dream of Monero true: it’s not going to be an asset that people spéculate on but truly a circular economy, exactly like the original founders imagined it. [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/ntbIjNMKa0JfUVFw ]
16:52:52 <br-m> <syntheticbird> lot of ai bots these days
16:53:15 <br-m> <syntheticbird> plowsof
16:53:24 <br-m> <syntheticbird> mind cleaning
16:55:37 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @aerxus:matrix.org: The CEO is quite busy these days, maybe a deputy can take you call
16:56:15 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: don't worry it's not ai bots lmao
16:56:41 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @aerxus:matrix.org: the ai bots is responding to me what should i do chat
16:57:17 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: do you know how i can reach one ?
16:57:50 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @aerxus:matrix.org: Was just kidding, Monero is fully decentralized, so address the community!
17:03:00 <br-m> <syntheticbird> from now on every new user needs to have mined a monero block to be accepted
17:03:08 <br-m> <syntheticbird> * Monero CEO
17:03:21 <br-m> <syntheticbird> i mean deputy
17:03:36 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> hes spamming in policy now 
17:04:49 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> dont spam walls of garbage 
17:05:23 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> why are you so mad? we're just trying to help, you're so parasocial
17:13:49 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> lemme reiterate for everyone to know what were doing
17:13:52 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> Hi, we are two french guys in tech working on a start up that will create a new era for monero for two reasons: 
17:13:53 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> -by helping it stay legal in E.U through legal loopholes we found. 
17:13:53 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org>  -We also found a way to make the dream of Monero true: it’s not going to be an asset that people spéculate on but truly a circular economy, exactly like the original founders imagined it. [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/_P2ajdMKcWs5dlkw ]
17:14:15 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> if u wanna join the move please feel free to DM us 
17:20:27 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: thats what im doing but the moderator keeps on deleting my messages. Y'all need to get rid of this arbitrary tyrant(plowsof) who thinks he can just deletes peoples messages on no basis. He might also be a fed thats scared of monero growing idk. Weird behavior likes this just throws me off. We have a solution for monero why would u behave like this @plowsof:matrix.org
17:22:59 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> Why don't you detail your project instead of just teasing it? Might even consider creating a CCS proposal to have the community finance it to completion.
17:26:12 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> yes im sure ctrl+v'ing a wall of garbage that says "we are 2 tech bros, drivvel, DM us" in multiple rooms will be received well
17:26:13 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: because of obvious reasons. thats why i need u guys to help me get in touch with someone who actually works on monero and not uselss ppl like @plowsof:matrix.org who just arbitrarly bans messages. We have all the prototypes and documentations regarding our project. We have every proof that our project will work. If u were in my position u wouldnt say that on a public group.
17:26:26 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> all of you have one thing in common, you all have monero and i can help it become manstream and therefore blow up. why wouldnt you help us. Thats literally in you own interest
17:27:11 <plowsof> then you need to come proper. spamming multiple rooms with a ctrl+v "we are 2 tech bros, vague drivvel, DM us" appears to be casting a wide net to scam
17:27:26 <plowsof> and you are still not getting the the point.
17:27:38 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> Many people in this room and others are working on Monero
17:28:25 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> ok i think youre right on this @plowsof:matrix.org but try to be smart (and im sure you are) and try to understand the message without just deleting because of the format
17:28:36 <plowsof> there is no message. 
17:29:04 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> because u keep on deleting it $
17:29:15 <plowsof> 2 tech bros, drivvel, DM us.
17:30:29 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> plowsof: 1. we can help monero stay legal in Europe though legal loopholes 2) we can help making monero a real circular economy like the original founders thought of it and not a specualative asset for traders to make money off of it senselessly
17:30:58 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> this IS the message
17:32:04 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @aerxus:matrix.org: The is no plan to make it illegal!
17:32:50 <br-m> <syntheticbird> inb4 monero is doomed because of chat
17:33:02 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> omg we just gave you literally legal paperwork emanating from the European Central Bank 15mins ago. If the European Cenrtal Bank is not a reliable source, what is ? You maybe ? silly man 
17:34:00 <nioc> I missed the paperwork 
17:34:19 <nioc> I am on irc so nothing gets deleted  
17:34:25 <plowsof> ive seen enough of the "we" already 
17:34:55 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> nioc: its on the policy group but ima dm it to you 
17:35:52 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> nioc: Article 79: ban on anonymous accounts and "anonymity-enhancing documents"
17:35:52 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> “Credit institutions, financial institutions and crypto-asset service providers are prohibited from holding anonymous bank and payment accounts, anonymous passbooks, anonymous vaults or crypto-assets, as well as any other account that permits the anonymization of the account holder or the increased anonymization or authentication of transactions, including through coins enhancing anonymity.'
17:35:52 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> — Article 79(1) of Regulation (EU) 2024/1624
17:35:52 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> "Privacy coins are crypto-assets that use advanced cryptographic techniques and transaction offloading tools to make transactions untraceable and increase user anonymity."[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/rL3rjdMKQU01S2VS ]
17:37:14 <nioc> I think most here are already aware of that 
17:37:15 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> here you go nioc
17:39:12 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> ok so we have a way to keep it legal through a loophole and a way of making monero mainstream and making it a true circular economy (thus making the value of monero go upwards)
17:39:34 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> nioc: so why do i keep getting backlash saying this type of things 
17:39:46 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: ....
17:40:00 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @aerxus:matrix.org: Stop teasing me
17:40:30 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I have a way to turn shit into pudding, dm me for more info
17:40:58 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: just dmed you
17:41:06 <br-m> <syntheticbird> this could finally solve world hunger
17:41:17 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It will
17:41:35 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I just sent you the pamphlet with more info
17:41:55 <nioc> because it has been discussed before and some are quite knowledgeable about the EU stuff
17:42:49 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "we have a way to keep it legal"
17:42:49 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> How many times r u going to say this
17:42:52 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> i just joined nioc and frankly i dont think most of the ppl here are good people, they are prolly frustrated incels who dont understand the importance of privacy coins in the era were going towards
17:43:00 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This is like "dontasktoask" but worse
17:43:12 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @syntheticbird: CHECK
17:43:13 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> are you 12?
17:43:20 <nioc> how to win friends and influence people  :D
17:43:45 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Either explain this "legal loophole" or stip wasting everyones time
17:43:51 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Stop*
17:43:56 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I think the "dont." is appropriate here > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> This is like "dontasktoask" but worse
17:44:13 <br-m> <syntheticbird> >talk like an ai
17:44:19 <br-m> <syntheticbird> > doesn't know the space it just arrived in
17:44:25 <br-m> <syntheticbird> >senseless teasing with vague shit
17:44:28 <br-m> <syntheticbird> >nothing substantial to say
17:44:35 <br-m> <syntheticbird> >predictable af
17:44:35 <nioc> where am I and how did I get here? 
17:44:43 <br-m> <syntheticbird> i swear this guy is a bo
17:44:44 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> nioc: i mean im just saying i can make monero find its true purpose and make yall moneros explode and the responses im getting are insults, trolling or just misinformed people trying to make me seem like a liar. How would you act if u were in my position?
17:44:56 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @aerxus:matrix.org: EL MESSIAH
17:45:04 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> gpt-2.0 is still sorting out the finer details > <@syntheticbird> >nothing substantial to say
17:45:46 <br-m> <rucknium> @aerxus:matrix.org: Wait for more people to respond in #monero-policy:monero.social
17:45:47 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> 🤣🤣🤣let's see whos gonna laugh on the long run 
17:45:59 <nioc> first I would find out what other people knew and what there perspective was 
17:46:15 <nioc> *their 
17:46:42 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @rucknium: MODS. RIP THE GPU OUT OF THIS BOT AND GIVE IT TO FEED TO THE META DATACENTER LURKING IN THE WOODS
17:46:58 <nioc> then you would have some idea how to communicate your idea
17:47:20 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> luigi1111 hi, did you talk to your employee yet? thanks.
17:47:25 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> @aerxus:matrix.org: What is its true purpose?
17:47:29 <br-m> <rucknium> You're getting dismissive responses because 1) you started out not knowing Monero's decentralized structure, 2) You claim Monero will be illegal in the EU, but your quoted regulations do not directly affect individuals and most businesses AFAIK, 3) You say you have non-disclosure agreements, which is very suspicious.
17:47:47 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> luigi1111 even though he did read all that last night, he hasn't emailed or talked to me, not even once.
17:48:19 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: meds. luigi1111 talked to you
17:48:24 <br-m> <syntheticbird> i know i am luigi1111
17:48:41 <br-m> <syntheticbird> no i won't respond any further to your inquiry
17:48:46 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: shut your stupid face now.
17:48:49 <br-m> <syntheticbird> please go to PR department
17:48:51 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> adults are talking.
17:49:10 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hooftly:matrix.org: the true purpose of monero is to make it a real private currency, a sort of digital cash, an untraceable cash. Now the problem is no one has found a way to make it a real circular economy, so its a not a REAL digital cash like the originals founders thought of it 
17:49:16 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: adults doesn't include senile you know that right
17:49:36 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> @aerxus:matrix.org: Circulat economy is not the issue
17:49:39 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: do you not see how contradictory your own sentence is? 😂
17:50:13 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: my apologies, my sentence do convey that i assumed you had self-awareness, which you don't.
17:50:28 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: you are retarded. 😂
17:51:12 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hooftly:matrix.org: it is. if ur bakery doesnt accept monero or doesnt knwo what it means. its a problem for me. how do you plan on exchanging every good for monero if ppl are not aware of it and it doesnt just circulate. Monero needs to be like a real FIAT currency but the cash and untraceable version
17:51:45 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @aerxus:matrix.org: have you ever visited this website called monerica.com by chance? 🤔
17:51:49 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> That requires liquidity not a circular economy
17:51:53 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> or... any dnm? 🤔
17:52:09 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> 🐱
17:52:45 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: yeah but its not mainstream, u can exchange stuff but not every good on this earth 
17:53:11 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @aerxus:matrix.org: your mom is mainstream.
17:53:15 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: COPS. Rip this peasant's keyboard and Send Him To The Torture Chamber TO GET TORTURED OUT FOR QUESTIONING
17:53:23 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hooftly:matrix.org: liquidity emanates from circular economies.
17:53:30 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: I love you.
17:53:43 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird:monero.social girl, when am I meeting you in person, hm?
17:53:53 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> Does it? Or do they form because liquidity exists?
17:54:23 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> good catch, like i just said : they are intertwined principles
17:54:28 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> tahts basic economics
17:54:37 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> You are putting the cart before the horse tho
17:54:38 <br-m> <syntheticbird> >good catch
17:54:43 <br-m> <syntheticbird> please ban this bot
17:54:53 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @hooftly:matrix.org: I'll put my horse before your cart. How's that, cute pie? 😘
17:54:56 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Which bot
17:55:06 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Do NPCs count as bots too
17:55:08 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: both
17:55:14 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> If you want to focus on regulations the circular economy is the last place to focus
17:55:20 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: he still thinks i am one🤣🤣🤣
17:55:27 <br-m> <syntheticbird> hooftly and aerxus
17:55:37 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> Im a bot?
17:55:46 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: I am a bot.
17:55:49 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @aerxus:matrix.org: No, he thinks your idea was brainstormed by freegpt 1.0
17:55:52 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @hooftly:matrix.org: We all are bots.
17:56:04 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: that's the mindset
17:56:30 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> like the one time i choose to talk... fuck sakes
17:57:00 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: actually a significant portion of his brain neural activity is contained inside a silicium die
17:57:10 <br-m> <syntheticbird> but i guess that also count as brainstorming
17:57:11 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Anyway_ aesxus, u going to give details
17:57:39 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hooftly:matrix.org: but if we find a way of making people exchange every good for monero. like just imagine this: when you walk into a grocery, u buy a bottle of water and you pay for it in FIAT because there is "trust" in this mean of exchange (even though its paper backed by paper) and then you can dispose freely of you [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/7aG7jtMKWW14bGtG ]
17:58:04 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @aerxus:matrix.org: i think you're 12
17:58:12 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: you just stole my words
17:58:21 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I was writing this exact sentence character to character
17:58:32 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: ok zoomer.
17:58:59 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> ignore rotten. He's missing context bcuz he has me on ignore
17:59:44 <br-m> <syntheticbird> i already ignore him but thx for the advice
17:59:45 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @aerxus:matrix.org: Since you are in France, article 150 VH of the CGI states that above 305 EUR of yearly sale of cryptocurrencies you must declare your sales, how do you envision the compatibility of your offer with that law?
18:00:12 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @hbs:matrix.org: 305? i thought this was 300
18:00:14 <br-m> <syntheticbird> what a win
18:00:29 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: breaking the law, huh?
18:00:31 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: how would they know? everything in monero is crypted
18:00:39 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> silly kitty.
18:00:51 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000038612228
18:00:54 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: and i never said i would base it in france 
18:01:14 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @aerxus:matrix.org: nul n'est censé ignoer la loi
18:01:23 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: oh so cute you did you're little perplexity reseach, sooo cute 
18:02:14 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: ignorer°
18:02:55 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @hbs:matrix.org: thx
18:02:59 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> yh thats what i thought @hbs:matrix.org
18:03:10 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @aerxus:matrix.org: the bot just fried out
18:03:24 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @aerxus:matrix.org: are you stupid?
18:04:42 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> Bro
18:04:42 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> i offer solutions and ur just talking about smn mom and trolling, who's really stupid? 🤣🤣
18:04:43 <br-m> <syntheticbird> QUICK QUICK AERXUS HOOFTLY HASN'T TALKED ENOUGH SWITCH YOUR KEYBOARD SWITCH YOUR KEYBOARD
18:04:57 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: yeah dream abt me ahaha
18:05:10 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> Google hooftly thats me cut the shit Im a real boy
18:05:11 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> Aexus is spacekitty 
18:05:16 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> Pretty obvious
18:05:22 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> Fuck sakes 
18:05:27 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> @hooftly:matrix.org: is just the only normal person in this chat ( i might be wronfg)
18:05:34 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @aerxus:matrix.org: You, clearly.
18:05:54 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> whatever helps u sleep at night
18:06:07 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @aerxus:matrix.org: Okay, darling. ❤️💋
18:06:33 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx have you seen this guy already in read receipts? > <@hooftly:matrix.org> Google hooftly thats me cut the shit Im a real boy
18:07:10 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Hooftly? Ya
18:07:29 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> you dont believe me?
18:07:32 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> Lulz
18:07:36 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> u really need validation from these 2 trolls  > <@hooftly:matrix.org> Google hooftly thats me cut the shit Im a real boy
18:07:47 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> thats actually sad
18:07:59 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Alright
18:08:04 <br-m> <syntheticbird> my apologies @hooftly:matrix.org
18:08:09 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Usually sometime around 2am UTC when spacekitty would ping them
18:08:43 <br-m> <syntheticbird> sorry for the toxicity, since you were talking only to him, i thought you could be some random alt to give the impression he can spit his part
18:09:04 <br-m> <syntheticbird> wrong conclusion
18:09:09 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @aerxus:matrix.org: Which 2 trolls?
18:09:13 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Theres like 5 here
18:09:33 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: at this hour of the day, during this day of the week
18:09:35 <br-m> <syntheticbird> we're far from the ATH
18:09:50 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Aerxus, ofrn, syn, shitwheel, hooftly
18:10:31 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> I knew her from a while back and I joined the the community a month ago and she said hey. Just wanted to talk to some people about a version of an atomic swap protocol I built but i got called a Defi loser so I just been silent
18:10:57 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @hooftly:matrix.org: a defi loser
18:11:02 <br-m> <syntheticbird> in which channel?
18:11:22 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> This one I think I dunno 
18:11:52 <br-m> <syntheticbird> you have a repo i'm curious
18:12:08 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> i had a failing defi project a few years ago and they laid into me for it
18:15:06 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> so you really are insecure 
18:15:16 <br-m> <aerxus:matrix.org> its funny how i can see through yall
18:18:33 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @hooftly:matrix.org: By who? Loo
18:19:35 <br-m> <hooftly:matrix.org> Id have to search the chat. It was also 2 am and I was half asleep
18:19:47 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @aerxus:matrix.org: kewbit
18:19:54 <br-m> <syntheticbird> you are as beautiful as the day i lost you
18:20:05 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @syntheticbird: Honestly sounds like him
18:20:36 <br-m> <syntheticbird> you can't eternally live out of 75k$
18:21:07 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I forgot he existed, but this is slop marketing sounded familiar
18:33:09 <nioc> how did I miss the key, circular economy  :D
18:34:22 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Probably a French as advertised, doing the typical writing errors French people do when writing English.
19:02:35 <br-m> <321bob321> Wei wei
22:29:02 <DataHoarder> Busy day
22:38:47 <DataHoarder> Yeah probably the workaround was to keep it all "crypted" and not declare lol. For legit mom&pop businesses
22:39:07 <DataHoarder> Which will receive 100x retribution if they mess with taxes compared to big companies