01:34:35 <321bob321> They want a kickback for signing people up 01:41:38 this is definitely the most insane very clear demand 13:13:23 > <@4rkal> I’m not sure i get the question. Yes some exchanges allow you to add an additional partner fee 13:13:23 Sorry, I know there is a lot of aggregators and they all kinda say there is no additional fee when using them but I then became curious if that's absolutely true because of some of the partner exchanges having variable fee specifications and how that interacts with the margins. I see some aggregators provide a protection mecha [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/p_WPq9QKVkxGZkgt ] 14:22:15 Meeting in 1hr38 mins https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1314 14:58:50 <4rkal> @ohchase:envs.net: We don’t add any additional fees to our users. Also the insurance guarantee in our case is provided by the exchanges themselves but held by us. 15:25:45 Why does the monero podcast start at the same time as the meeting ? 😭 15:37:25 Will likely finish before the price report begins 15:45:26 @lm:matrix.baermail.fr: The podcast is like 5hrs long 15:46:11 to not overlap, we'd have to do the meeting at 5am utc or 11pm utc 15:59:38 meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1314 16:00:06 👋 16:00:15 👋 16:00:19 Hello. 16:00:20 greetings ! 16:00:36 👋 16:00:49 Ruckniums network scan tool : https://moneronet.info/ 👀 boog900 shared in the last MRL meeting an update to the ban list @ https://github.com/Boog900/monero-ban-list/pull/10 meeting logs: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1310 16:01:27 how is site coming along redsh4de? 👋 16:01:37 https://beta.monerodevs.org/ 16:02:04 paragraphs incoming from me 16:03:00 Soo, over the past 2 weeks, worked on adding three new pages to the website, some docs about how to add/modify/extend relevant content and use some utilities i made, and general improvements in various areas of the codebase - with a focus on making CSS more compact, weighing out a potential migration for SCSS due to it's support for nesting and general features that improve maintainability 16:03:06 First, what's new since the last update 16:03:57 1. "What is Monero?" page at https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/what-is-monero/ 16:03:57 The design is meant to follow a sectioned pitch deck style that tells a kind of a story (problem -> solution -> use cases), with a call to action section leading the user to either download a wallet or purchase Monero. 16:03:57 Thought it also fitting to add a Learn More section with Dr. Daniel Kim's presentation about Monero (with subtitle options), as i think it really covers most questions people might have about what Monero is and why it matters. As always, all text on the current page can be considered a placeholder and is only for presentation purposes 16:04:10 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/kseRprcJsuNGyedaoGcbYydP.png (image.png) 16:05:09 2. Exchanges page with eyecandy! https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/exchanges/ 16:05:09 Added a responsive exchanges page, with the options organized as such: Decentralized Exchanges, Aggregators, and CEXes - effectively sorted in a descending order by which ones are the most optimal for privacy. 16:05:09 To avoid overwhelming users, made a filter sidebar/drawer to help newcomers quickly highlight the options that fit their situation - hopefully solving the common complaint that its difficult to buy Monero, which stems more from a bad presentation and discoverability of options rather than a lack of them[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/joOFsNQKMWd6ajR3 ] 16:05:19 Desktop view: 16:05:24 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MUwFDEbGPOkakiNpYJoOBdUR.png (image.png) 16:05:26 Mobile view: 16:05:30 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/AHrYnLgavROuzCKSRwwFQwNq.png (image.png) 16:06:00 3. Merchants at https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/merchants/ 16:06:00 List of merchant directories for now - four options listed as of today 16:06:19 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/gjzTcMzbvopdLfapYCLVlpdY.png (image.png) 16:07:06 Looks good and loads real fast 16:07:13 nice progress redsh4de 💪images brought to us by the power of DataHoarders bridge. proposals currently open for funding -> https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ 16:07:38 has GUPAXX made the migration to the gupax-io repo? https://github.com/gupax-io/gupax 16:08:52 plowsof: Gupax.io is up, 16:08:52 Codebase is merged, but I want to finish some code refactor before releasing gupax v2 16:09:17 i can share a small update about my attempt at tweaking some things on the CCS backend after feedback. i should be able to put a testnet instance showing unconfirmed amounts next week 16:09:40 meow 16:10:06 aot of small tweaks needed that prevented ccs from seeing pool transactions at all - hidden in the depths of php 16:11:43 other requests such as 'red banner to tell people that overfunding likely wont go to the proposer*) ... and a KISS "external funding" - where the FR page would just link people to an external fund raiser, this was requested a while ago, might not be so useful now but its a possibility 16:12:21 nice lm 💪 pumping the p2pool hashrate : https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools 16:12:38 Very impressed @redsh4de:matrix.org ! 16:12:39 Did you planned for localization support ? 16:12:50 @lm:matrix.baermail.fr: Yes 16:12:51 planned? ;) 16:12:53 already live 16:13:05 Go check out the rtl arabic version 16:13:15 https://beta.monerodevs.org/ar/ 16:13:17 i hear the blockscaling wars may have ended? "(see MRL meetings) - https://github.com/ArticMine/Monero-Documents " 16:13:44 Nope 16:13:57 Our twitter friends are unhappy 16:13:58 I see it now, perfect ! 16:14:41 @lm:matrix.baermail.fr: wrote a lot of utilities to simplify localization for strings, more info about how it all works here: https://github.com/redsh4de/monero-site/blob/main/docs/how-to-add-localization-to-a-page.md 16:15:17 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: "After the recent backlash against a hard cap on the block size, it seems like the Monero developers have decided to cripple the scaling factors instead." 16:16:31 these monero developers sound really mean if true! 16:16:55 Theyre racist bigots 16:17:52 so the people who are of the opinion that monero is going to be crippled are aware of the current technical limitations that put caps on sizes of certain things 16:18:13 So you're a racist too? Noted. 16:18:26 they were promised infinite block size 16:18:31 😭 16:19:11 Noted and *ignored* 16:19:45 website funding https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/redsh4de-getmonero-redesign.html 16:20:00 general fund has donated 16:20:50 nioc: Been spending a lot of time on the project, if anyone would like to support my work, do consider contributing <3 16:20:53 oh ' should the date displayed on the funding required page - be the date which it was put to funding ' to stop teitter from shaming us 16:21:05 +1 16:21:22 its currently the date at which the porposer placed there to say 'i will begin from this date or intend to' 16:21:57 put all the dates 16:22:05 yes 16:23:02 anything else anyone would like to mention? 16:23:32 News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [This Week In Monero](https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero) (Oberver still on his 2nd break in 4 years) 16:23:46 plowsof: in the list of proposals, i think the date shown must be the one on which the proposal went live 16:23:46 same thing in the proposal view, with the proposal creation date being shown under it like a secondary item 16:24:42 or in the body, like "Proposal created on XYZ" 16:24:56 yep , we can probably show all the dates clearly, and they can be ordered on the publish date - rather than the 'i intend to begin @' date 16:26:16 any feedback on the open ccs ideas? 16:26:29 a. [39C3 Support](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/622) 16:27:38 supporting a presence as 39C3 is very +EV imo, im for it. planning to visit the congress myself 16:27:45 s/as/at 16:29:31 b. [Sneedlewoods-03_part-time_dev_work-Q1-26](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/634) 16:29:48 has been brought up in no-wallet-left-behind meetings with positive feedback 16:30:01 ++1 16:30:17 +1 16:30:33 thanks for feedback. and speaking of events: 16:30:45 d. Events workgroup - [MoneroKon 2026](https://monerokon.org) - a venue for 2026 is still being discussed 16:31:17 27-30 december is very close, is it an issue to have it funded after the event ? > a. [39C3 Support](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/622) 16:31:43 Usually ppl put the date as the current date that they opened entered the idea stage > yep , we can probably show all the dates clearly, and they can be ordered on the publish date - rather than the 'i intend to begin @' date 16:31:55 It should probably be changed to match the merge date 16:32:28 #monero-events to follow along i i hear the bitcoin film festival are open to sharing the venue in Warsaw 16:32:33 can also maybe add extra fields for idea -> funding -> wip 16:33:16 I believe questions were brought up last meeting about the 39C3 proposal. Were they addressed? 16:35:54 most discussion happened here https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20251122#c615861 16:36:11 if they are addresses people can give a thumbs up otherwise no 16:36:51 " although with C3 getting close, would be nice to get this approved or denied so we can know whether to go elsewhere for money if needed" 16:36:58 "that said, given the slow donations of current proposals in FR I don't foresee it getting funded quickly even if merged" 16:37:19 plowsof: this is my immediate thought 16:39:11 They could always sed 2025 2026 😐 16:40:33 any more feedbacks 16:40:58 because h. [FCMP++ Stressnet](https://github.com/seraphis-migration) https://stressnet.p2pool.observer/ 16:40:58 - "Ruckniums 1.4 release is using 107gb of ram compared to 1.5-prerelease using 14gb" via ofrnxmr 16:41:08 and an upcoming monero core 18.4.5 release 16:42:53 🥶 16:44:28 🤧 16:45:59 this is the last meeting of 2025 give yourselves a pat on the back please 16:46:44 get well soon lm 🔥 🙌 16:48:38 any other business before i freeze, i'd like to put an open end here for humanitarian reasons and thank everyone for joining 16:48:48 I have not seen any recent communication from the 39C3 proposal and doesn't seem like they are here today 16:49:23 pls continue 16:54:20 Dankon very much for a good meeting and great moderation. 19:00:40 hi 19:01:16 https://nohello.net 19:01:25 i discovered monero i like its purpose 21:39:01 #monero:monero.social is the main room for Monero dicussion.