00:19:02 <misha[m]1> Hi all, just here to learn more about monero. What is currently the best way to buy XMR with fiat? 
00:19:22 <misha[m]1> Without uploading identity documents etc.
00:20:34 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Retoswap
00:55:17 <br-m> <monjerano:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: Does it have better user friendliness, better liquidity or better safety than Basic swap?
00:55:17 <br-m> <monjerano:matrix.org> Or all of it? 😄
00:58:35 <misha[m]1> br-m: Thanks! I looked into it. I think I'm going for bitpapa though.
01:09:18 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @monjerano:matrix.org: Basicswap doesnt have fiat at all
01:10:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @monjerano:matrix.org: Better safety = no
01:10:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Bettrr liquidity = yes
01:10:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Better user friendliness = depends. Installation/setup? Yes. Swapping? No.
01:14:45 <br-m> <monjerano:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Okay, if people need an all in one, it seems very reasonable.
01:21:16 <misha[m]1> Retoswap threw an error on my machine (NixOS).
01:21:23 <misha[m]1> That's why I ended up on bitpapa
01:24:50 <misha[m]1> Retoswap looks good, and I was about to buy some XMR with Amazon gift card, but in order to buy the XMR I need to have 0.10 XMR in my wallet. And the entire point is to buy XMR...
01:40:26 <plowsof> Amazon gift card != fiat but there are no deposit offers, better to ask about how this would work in #haveno or if there would even be someone willing to sell xmr for a gift card that they can just obtain themselves via one of the many gift card sites instead of dealing with possible scams lol   
01:57:05 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> @datahoarder:monero.social: has someone named themselves xmr 😆
02:03:30 <DataHoarder> They did and they joined #monero-dev 
02:03:39 <DataHoarder> I guess that should be part of the dictionary 
02:52:21 <br-m> <321bob321> Did rino wallet go opensauce after it closed ?
11:21:54 <plowsof> im not sure what is/isnt open source but they have their branch of monero/-cpp/-ts a rino sdk at https://github.com/rino-wallet 
11:25:58 <br-m> <rbrunner7> If I remember correctly they claimed that users can verify the code somehow, and that would certainly mean "open source". Here https://github.com/rino-wallet/frontend: "How to build it and verify it matches RINO online version"
11:27:06 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Hmm, looks like the code for the backend is not there ...
11:33:36 <plowsof> a blog post for their sdk @ https://web.archive.org/web/20240415112155mp_/https://www.rino.io/blog/automate-payments-using-rinos-sdk
11:34:17 <plowsof> although "The first thing you need to run the SDK is a RINO enterprise account." .. not sure how that would work now lol