00:21:48 <nioc> iVPN
07:20:53 <br-m> <just_another_day:matrix.org> Hey, are any r/Monero mods in here? Could someone please approve my post about RandomX? It's high-effort and doesn't violate any rules
08:04:40 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> is there a meeting this Saturday?
08:54:17 <br-m> <monerobull:matrix.org> @just_another_day:matrix.org: The one about it being an engineer marvel?
08:57:04 <br-m> <monerobull:matrix.org> Approved it
09:11:57 <br-m> <just_another_day:matrix.org> Thank you!
10:38:03 <plowsof> hbs yeah uh
10:49:34 <plowsof> meeting in 5hrs10mins https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1323
11:21:59 <br-m> <rbrunner7> "meeting in 5hrs10mins" Maybe express it in number of Monero blocks until then?
11:40:51 <plowsof> lets try, meeting will be taking place sometime between blockheight now, blockheight 3584819 or blockheight now + infinity 😬
11:43:09 <plowsof> basic maths skills where required which i do not possess so take estimates with a grain of salt 
16:00:05 <plowsof> meeting time https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1323
16:00:07 <plowsof> Greetings
16:00:32 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> is it 4'oblock already?
16:00:37 <plowsof> current block of https://xmrchain.net/block/3584850
16:00:46 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> greetings
16:00:47 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Nope. Its 1600
16:01:13 <plowsof> hbs im sorry yes :(
16:01:58 <plowsof> new releases: Monero CLI/GUI v0.18.4.5 soon and stressnet v1.5 is out now (with gui binaries) https://github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/releases 
16:02:16 <plowsof> hi
16:03:03 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Includes memory fixes
16:03:26 <br-m> <michael> Hello, saluton.
16:03:27 <plowsof> monerotech.info by rbrunner was lined in #monero just now, and  Moneronet.info by Rucinium has been updated https://moneronet.info/ 
16:03:35 <plowsof> s/lined/mentioned 
16:04:02 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Rucinium is a new element
16:04:58 <plowsof> yes ive been going to rbrunners site for a long time checking confirming base addresses shown on ledger 
16:05:54 <plowsof> ofrnxmr nice, memory fixes and sync improvements? 👀
16:06:23 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Huge improvements
16:06:42 <plowsof> is there a list of stressnet public rpc nodes somewhere? node3.monerodevs.org:28289 
16:06:59 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> On a 256 thread host, goes from 150+gb to ~15gb
16:07:29 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: 185.141.216.177:28189
16:07:49 <plowsof> if you dont feel like draining the entire mempool with 100% global hash you can get some testnet coins from kico s faucet here  https://faucet.xmr.pt/
16:08:39 <plowsof> the gui for your os is in the attachments @ https://github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/releases
16:09:12 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> At least we showed that fcmp can handle like 2+ blocks per minute at 2mb
16:12:19 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> RandomX v2 in progress by sech1 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1pyzdpc/randomx_v2_update/
16:12:38 <sech1> yep
16:12:44 <sech1> my WIP branch is here https://github.com/SChernykh/RandomX/tree/v2
16:12:49 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> Registered MAGIC committee voters have until 20th to vote - sgp https://github.com/MAGICGrants/Monero-Fund-Elections/issues
16:13:00 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> nice sech
16:13:31 <sech1> Basically the only thing left to do is RISC-V v2 code. Then some tweaking, and maybe more changes to test
16:15:06 <sech1> But RISC-V v2 code involves 2 different JIT compilers, and 3 different AES code versions, so it's quite a bit of work. Maybe a week's worth.
16:17:52 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> good to hear. will there be any integration work for the xmrig dev / monero core to add these changes? or is it as simple as updating the submodule?
16:18:39 <DataHoarder> monero core uses the RandomX submodule, so it'd just need the hardfork logic afaik
16:19:10 <plowsof> 🙏
16:19:37 <plowsof> News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [This Week In Monero](https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero) 
16:20:17 <plowsof> 4. [CCS updates](https://ccs.getmonero.org/)    
16:20:53 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> a. 39C3 Support (https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/622)
16:21:40 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> since the congress concluded, has to be either closed or renamed to 40C3
16:22:14 <sech1> plowsof Monero side will need to update RandomX submodule, and add RANDOMX_FLAG_V2 in the appropriate places (hardfork logic)
16:22:27 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> @diego:cypherstack.com any new comments on this?
16:22:35 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> thanks for confirming sech1
16:22:35 <sech1> XMRig... Will be a lot of work since it changed so much in 6 years
16:22:52 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> i see
16:23:06 <sech1> Probably a month's worth of work, which I will start after v2 is finalized
16:23:13 <DataHoarder> the rounding changes weren't the worst to update for sech1 and I do have BMI2/AMD on my go one
16:23:28 <DataHoarder> the AES one, yeah :)
16:23:34 <DataHoarder> I gave up and only support that on hard AES with v2
16:24:10 <DataHoarder> and any other changes I guess
16:25:01 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> ill follow the resulting global hash changes on DataHoarders page https://blocks.p2pool.observer/pools
16:26:07 <DataHoarder> SupportXMR was seen hitting 52% at instant hashrate measurements a couple of times, but they never reached that long term (7 days)
16:26:28 <DataHoarder> They have come down from that share since then
16:26:58 <DataHoarder> ~41% short term instant measurement and 43% long term (7 days)
16:27:02 <DataHoarder> hashvault keeps being attacked
16:28:09 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> thanks for the suggestion redsh4de. renaming to the next one in close proximity to this one requires alot of planning, im sure the team are resting. this proposal did not have an overwhelming positive merge sentiment
16:28:33 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> oh yes, hashvault ddos, forgot to mention that, thanks
16:29:03 <DataHoarder> HV recommended to move to alternates meanwhile or to set alternates as backup pools
16:29:35 <geonic> https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/11/close-proximity-is-a-redundant-confusing-irksome-phrase.html :p
16:29:58 <DataHoarder> Unknown blocks are back above 1% of share, need to investigate if it's some pool that has broken tagging
16:30:08 <DataHoarder> they are afaik around 2% of monero atm
16:30:37 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> geonic "like chewing tinfoil"? im sorry :(
16:31:11 * geonic hides
16:31:31 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> b. Open-source Monero browser extension wallet (https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/636)
16:31:49 <br-m> <spiro_number1_fan:matrix.org> where spiro dude? @spirobel:matrix.org
16:31:50 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> includes open source in the title, explains what open source is, does not link to previous work
16:31:57 <br-m> <spiro_number1_fan:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/nYZsSTsoYWzBBrPUxeHhXNsX.gif (image.gif)
16:32:07 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Id say let them produce it first and merge if delivered
16:32:11 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Fkn kityy
16:36:52 <br-m> <spiro_number2_fan:matrix.org> 👍️
16:37:12 <br-m> <spiro_number2_fan:matrix.org> i mean thumbup for the ban lol
16:37:29 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> regarding the browser wallet, forget what i just said. If the proposer thinks it can be done securely as prescribed, id say merge it. Will probably comment on the proposal since they dont seem to be here
16:38:12 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> all i have to go by is text with some spelling mistakes as his previous work. with zero listed contributions to the project. 0 xmr or 5 its a no until the basics are addressed 
16:38:58 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> i would be interested to hear from woodser if there are any web wallet projects that where started / unfinished 
16:39:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But but we can grow the jetfund by 5xmr 😂
16:40:50 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> I think there was one using WASM which was started as part of a tipping project, but the name eludes me
16:41:27 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> but yeah, i admittedly did not do any background research on prior git contributions to see if capable. But i assume this would be a project that is slop prompted into the jetfund
16:43:07 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> ah yes hbs, 
16:44:27 <plowsof> tipxmr, moment 
16:45:05 <plowsof> hbs, would you like to share some updates on your ccs, then redshade can do the same, and we can go to open ideas 
16:45:14 <br-m> <diego:cypherstack.com> Mm?
16:46:02 <plowsof> reg the 39c3 Support  CCS
16:46:05 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> this one https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/tipxmr.live.html 
16:46:09 <br-m> <diego:cypherstack.com> Oh right. Yeah the money would still be appreciated on the backend, but up to the community. The event was very successful. 
16:46:43 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> they faced some technical issues - im not sure if relavant to just the wasm wallet sending/receiving 
16:47:12 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> again , id like the proposer to show some previous work and actual research 
16:48:12 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> Sure.
16:50:08 <plowsof> excuse the lag on matrix side
16:50:45 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @hbs:matrix.org: msvb would like 5mins - so it snappy, soldier! /s
16:50:59 <br-m> <spiro_number3_fan:unredacted.org> a comment on browser extension proposal here: https://monero.forum/t/monero-contents-youtubes-newsletters-etc/440/4
16:50:59 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so make it* snappy
16:51:14 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> The GUI is done since the beginning of December for the read only part (milestone 1) and the part related to offer management is 99% complete. As stated in the December 1st update, I've decided to write a maker bot to easily provide liquidity to any MoneroSwap smart contract. The code for the bot was published around Xmas and  [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/_vnDktsKOFZSMXp3 ]
16:51:14 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> What would be great now is if there were more testers, either as manual makers/takers or as makers using the bot.
16:51:14 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> The current test contract is deployed on Gnosis Chain allowing xDAI-XMR atomic swaps. I intend to deploy another test contract on either Base or Arbitrum to do ETH-XMR swaps with low fees.
16:51:40 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: done sir
16:52:19 <plowsof> thanks hbs 
16:53:45 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> And anyone is welcome to join the dedicated moneroswap matrix room
16:53:54 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @michael:monero.social msvb-lab  you're up
16:54:00 <plowsof> Swap service review and Changelly. - msvb
16:54:01 <msvb-lab> Okay.
16:54:14 <msvb-lab> Anyone who is not interested in exchanges and swap services, please tune out and come back in five minutes. Thanks!
16:54:30 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: https://matrix.to/#/#moneroswap:matrix.org
16:54:40 <msvb-lab> In Summer 2025 I started researching commercial exchanges and swap services for (1) fun, (2) necessity, and (3) request from peers. One request came from Changelly to gain insight (while repairing reputation) on Monero impressions.
16:54:50 <msvb-lab> In Autumn I did comparisons and searches (some AI) to determine the following:
16:55:00 <msvb-lab> A) Exchanges like Binance and Swaps like Shapeshifter cannot be accurately compared, even when an exchange acts like a swap.
16:55:10 <msvb-lab> B) About a dozen swap services with KYC exist, and I compared Simpleswap, ChangeNOW, Changelly, Fixedfloat, and Swapzone.
16:56:14 <br-m> <spiro_number4_fan:unredacted.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/FsvNfsstHlJAknfeSbcHzjTB.gif (image.gif)
16:56:33 <msvb-lab> C) It seems that all have problems serving regular honest customers to 100%, so
16:56:33 <msvb-lab> complaints are easy to find around the Internet like Reddit.
16:56:44 <msvb-lab> D) It seems that Changelly is the largest of these, in some cases 10-100 times larger than most others in the list.
16:57:53 <msvb-lab> E) Changelly has earned a bad reputation 5-8 years ago and earned a good reputation 1-3 years ago.
16:58:18 <msvb-lab> F) When asked "Is Changelly's bad reputation accurate today, or only accurate years ago," a wide range of opinions respond. Nobody seems to care about other swaps like Shapeshift or their histories. Maybe because they're so small.
16:58:29 <msvb-lab> Z) My research is not exhaustive, and I'm sure I made a couple mistakes.
16:59:24 <msvb-lab> Anyway, I'm going to end my exchanges and swap research crusade very soon, I'm done. But my conclusion is that all the banning of Changelly only helps to affirm the wrong message that they don't want to respond or serve the Monero community. If anybody here disagrees, please explain why.
16:59:52 <msvb-lab> That's all I have ploswsof, unless people want to share their opinions, we can move on thanks!
17:00:22 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I would suggest for changelly contact trocador.app and orangefren.com, put up insurance (collateral), and get listed with them.
17:00:23 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> thanks for sharing msvb 
17:00:38 <msvb-lab> No problem, thanks for the stage time.
17:01:02 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Collateral/insurance removes trust in favor of.. money
17:01:05 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> and reddit community as they are listed on the avoid list https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/wiki/avoid/ 
17:01:24 <msvb-lab> Trocador and Orangefren seem to grade non-KYC services, which is a good thing. We don't have a grading system for those who properly or improperly implement KYC.
17:01:24 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Fixedfloat has had some complaints, but they have large amounts of collateral with trocador and orangefren, and obviously dont want to lose it
17:01:53 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> fixedfloat has been hacked remember? and where offline for months because of it and came back rebranded as "ff dot io" :P
17:02:09 <msvb-lab> It's hard to obtain clarity when mixin exchanges and swaps, or mixing non-KYC services with KYC ones.
17:02:28 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah, but they have collateral, so it doesnt matter what happens since orangefren already has the $
17:02:42 <msvb-lab> So there is a bunch of unclarity everywhere, and about half the opinions I read don't offer facts or seem out of date.
17:03:16 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> All those services clearly lack transparency when it comes to the liquidity they use
17:03:17 <msvb-lab> There is the topic of banning all speech from Changelly on the Reddit as well, which doesn't have much to do with collateral or being listed somewhere.
17:03:28 <msvb-lab> They can't respond at all to compliments or complaints.
17:03:56 <msvb-lab> It might be good to blacklist all exchanges and swaps hbs, or at least all the ones that implement (properly or not) KYC.
17:04:16 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @hbs:matrix.org: Orangefren list which exchanges have their own liq vs resell vs mixed
17:04:19 <msvb-lab> But that's not what's happening, which leads me to conclude there are serious flaws in impressions given online.
17:04:48 <msvb-lab> The Orangefren angle is really good, and he's ready to help I think. So let's close the topic now?
17:05:36 <msvb-lab> Are there any other items of 'Other business'?
17:06:01 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> shamlessplug: if changelly has their own liq, they could always offer it on basicswap :D
17:07:16 <msvb-lab> Meeting is probably over, is it?
17:07:24 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> never
17:07:43 <geonic> ofrnxmr: have there been any updates on basicswapdex that I missed?
17:08:13 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> thanks again msvb
17:08:37 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> geonic: Not today, the big task right now is getting electrum wallets implemented
17:09:38 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> Hello everyone! The new website is rapidly nearing completion.
17:09:39 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> To reduce onboarding from like 200gb bandwidth (for ltc + btc) and 2 days to like 2mins
17:10:09 <geonic> would be nice to get more regular updates on the gitlab too. it looks like the last one was 11 months ago
17:11:03 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> Posted a extensive update on my CSS PR about a week ago - milestone 1 has been reached and exceeded, with some milestone 2 tasks accomplished. Currently working towards completing the rest of the routes. I have about 3-4 pages that don't have a layout left, all in the Resources section. After that - wiring in localization supp [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/nMaMk9sKRE9kOTBX ]
17:11:11 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> New routes since milestone 1 update:
17:11:11 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/accept-monero/ - currently with placeholders for images. Hoping that Diego's team will have time to draw up some nice images to complement the story of the page
17:11:11 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> https://beta.monerodevs.org/community/workgroups/ - workgroup information
17:11:12 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> https://beta.monerodevs.org/community/hangouts/ - chats & stuff
17:11:12 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> https://beta.monerodevs.org/resources/press-kit/ - press kit, logos[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/zIeNk9sKWG5jUzI4 ]
17:11:51 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> and probably will push sponsorship page later today - currently iterating on it in #monero-site:monero.social
17:11:55 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> geonic: There are extensive blog posts written ~monthly
17:12:00 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> Updated designs for existing pages:
17:12:00 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/mining/ - mining information
17:12:00 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> https://beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/contribute/ - some tweaks in the layout
17:12:00 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> https://beta.monerodevs.org/downloads/ - nicer Core downloads layouts, deduplicated the "Verify" CTA
17:12:21 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> Feedback appreciated, so anyone with any ideas or suggestions join #monero-site:monero.social & ping me with stuff
17:12:32 <geonic> are these linked anywhere in the proposal
17:13:58 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Hm. Not sure if the new blog website is. They used to be on particl blog (those were linked) but are now on basicswap website
17:15:35 <br-m> <orangefren> msvb-lab: Sorry for not attending the meeting. Like @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx says, if Changelly wants to be listed I invite them to reach out, put up collareral and we can proceed with listing. We'll probably have a brief extra warning just to explain to our users what's happening
17:19:05 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> thanks all for attending 
17:19:55 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> Thanks for moderating and keeping us safe from spam
17:23:43 <br-m> <-julius-:matrix.org> fuck off hbs, you're one of the reason this community is not safe, you doxxed kewbit's country, you're a straight up fed so fuck off @hbs:matrix.org
17:25:21 <plowsof> invite only revealed the alts , thanks
17:28:56 <nioc> damn, everyone doxed kewbit 
17:30:08 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Right? 
17:30:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I thought it was ravfx that doxxed kewbit
17:30:34 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And before rav, it was me
17:32:02 <plowsof> you docced kitty AND kewbit? omg
17:32:38 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You doxxed kitty by banning the julius alt
17:33:15 <msvb-lab> Dankon very much for the good meeting and great moderation.
17:33:48 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> 👍️
17:36:05 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> How
17:36:10 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> @plowsof:matrix.org: why u keep banning?
17:36:16 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> ban ofrn and his feds frends
17:36:17 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> also
17:36:19 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/sFOgglAwgxtMIHrzznIWZFBo.png (image.png)
17:36:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> oh
17:36:21 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> that was hbs
17:37:06 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> and retarded bird
17:37:21 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> yall literal retards
17:38:22 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> What is a literal retard
17:38:32 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: thank you for keeping this community unsafe 👍️
17:38:54 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Isnt it a verb
17:39:27 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> enchanté > <@in_the_end:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/sFOgglAwgxtMIHrzznIWZFBo.png (image.png)
17:39:56 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> and for context, ravfx was called out for making a centralized mining pool, which goes against the principle of decentralization the the actual non-fed community been thriving torward
17:40:19 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> *that the
17:40:32 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> not for doxxing kewbit
17:40:34 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> thanks or clearing that up
17:40:38 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> For*
17:40:39 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> nice attempt at gaslighting yet again
17:43:15 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> o/
17:43:16 <br-m> <in_the_end:matrix.org> cya never dipshits
17:43:42 <br-m> <datahoarder> "cya never" joins like 5s later
17:46:21 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> brb just morphing into Agent Smith 
19:51:36 <br-m> <321bob321> https://github.com/VijitSingh97/p2pool-starter-stack