05:51:18 do you think you can just go into an AI and say create a p2pool mining app? thats not how it works. you are downplaying all of the work and years I spent learning how to use Monero. To call this a 'vibe coded' app is a simple type of retardation, and i dont accept it > AI slop vibe coded app now asks for 1 year financing through CCS? Daamn, the audacity... or stupidity... 05:58:59 > AI slop vibe coded app now asks for 1 year financing through CCS? Daamn, the audacity... or stupidity... 05:58:59 its a small amount for the amount of work that has and will go into it and the effect it can have. I've put so much of my time and effort into Monero, and I dont half-ass. If you dont see the importance of trying to get all these umbrel systems hashing, and what that can do for adoption, or you just dont want that to happen to [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/monRquQKdk5vMDM0 ] 06:10:13 its so much easier, how can you guys not see that its easier to click install in an app store, than it is to: > <@user2570:unredacted.org> It is not, it can be simple only if you already have an umbrel server. Currently, manual editing of Umbrel monero node docker compose file is needed. 06:10:13 go to a website 06:10:13 download the file 06:10:13 extract, install it 06:10:13 connect it manually to your node (or use a remote node auto). superbrain connects to your local umbrel monero node automatically, theres a script that grabs the rpc password and brings it on, so the user doesnt have to do any of that.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/i5b6quQKZTVyOGtr ] 06:16:05 its expanding monero mining to a whole new market that it currently does not exist in. 07:09:43 what's the hashrate of the umbrel 08:38:09 tomdooley "do you think you can just go into an AI and say create a p2pool mining app? thats not how it works. you are downplaying all of the work and years I spent learning how to use Monero" bruh... 08:38:22 Your "all the work" is a few days of trying different prompts at best 08:38:40 If you spent more than that, you're not that good even at prompting AI 08:40:56 "I've put so much of my time and effort into Monero, and I dont half-ass" I've put 4+ years into p2pool development and 9 years in total into Monero but I don't ask for CCS money "just because" 09:17:54 @ofrnxmr: people run umbrel on all different types of systems and the ones that they sell are getting more powerful, check the 'Umbrel Pro' 09:18:12 tomdooley without the slop all you have is appeals to emotion. whats next? a smear campaign? https://x.com/MgkMshrmBrkfst/status/2020378417120567336 09:19:26 imo you have failed the interview process already before you shared your proposal 09:19:49 sech1: you cant prove that because you are wrong, i've been trying to do this for a long this, many attempts at different setups. 09:20:03 1. you shared this garbage in monero research lab https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20260204#c654279 09:20:17 2. you where directed to the appropriate rooms with DIRECT links 09:20:34 3. you appear days later in MONERO DEV and have no idea the room you where directly linked to exists 09:20:46 thats all i need to see 09:21:35 screenshot this and tell people "i was told to fuck off and make a kuno" 09:22:57 so i made an app, that people are using right now to mine p2pool and it working great, and they are enjoying it, getting payouts, using p2pool for the first time, and you call it garbage? whats wrong with you people, is this the fucking high and mighty gatekeeper group? > 1. you shared this garbage in monero research lab https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20260204#c654279 09:23:24 fuck off and make a kuno 09:23:30 👋 09:24:01 https://kuno.anne.media/ good luck! 09:24:05 who are you? 09:25:04 as far as you are concerned, plowsof is god 09:25:38 <321bob321> We are all plowsof 09:25:48 sounds more like a normal asshole, god would be more impressive 09:26:00 whats the point of CCS? 09:26:43 i thought it was open for work outside of the Monero codebase as well 09:27:26 @syntheticbird: should change his name to getsplowed 09:27:42 run along with your smear campaign and pivot into a more open funding platform 09:28:05 how about you answer questions 09:28:22 why is this project not applicable to CCS? 09:28:42 because you are involved with it 09:28:58 how are you involved with CCS? 09:29:16 All AI generated content is slop until proven otherwise. Ask Daniel Stenberg (lead curl maintainer) for details: https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2026/01/26/the-end-of-the-curl-bug-bounty/ 09:29:33 And I see exactly the same pattern here. Low effort vibe coded app to milk money from the community\ 09:29:37 plowsof is the CCS coordinator responsible for organizing CCS meeting and verify the applicability of CCS proposals 09:29:39 you tell me. you have dedicated yourself to Monero for 4+ years. we have surely crossed paths 09:29:56 aka god 09:30:02 ive heard about ccs, never used it 09:30:37 there is only 1 god 👆 🐱 09:30:46 <321bob321> Allah 09:31:18 <321bob321> Or morgan freeman 09:31:20 sech1: this is not AI generated content, its pre-existing software packaged in a new format specification for UmbrelOS 09:31:28 @321bob321: epic 09:31:42 now you're straight up lying 09:31:47 the code in your repo is AI generated 09:39:44 be careful there, you're writing since some minutes, token's aren't cheap 09:41:37 can you generate a navy seals copy pasta proving sech1 is wrong about my repo 09:42:08 >"navy seals copy pasta" 09:42:13 r/brandnewsentence 09:43:32 guys i went to share my groundbreaking project and the alleged ccs coordinator was sharing memes like a child https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/112tiik/im_a_navy_seal/ 09:43:41 I developed the code locally on my umbrel server to package the dockers and source builds, I had never used git before and i used different AI systems like cursor, antigravity and claude to help me debug, refactor, and get it through to github while teaching me how to do it and format the dashboard in ways that would take me y [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/8vuHseQKdWJxLVVY ] 09:44:08 I'm out of this converstation, no point to continue. Everyone seems to stick to their own opinion here 09:46:52 "should i just not do anything?" <- learn first, gain experience, and don't try to get paid for the code that you don't yourself understand and can't maintain. If you didn't start the CCS, the attitude here would've been different. 09:47:41 sorry but i do understand, i designed every piece of that app with tact and cunning 09:48:13 and its not just about code, its about community, outreach and expansion, that is definitely my strong suit here. 09:48:49 do you not think the community art themes are fun? a good way to get people engaged and stay interested? 09:52:56 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/fpIcFbGxJIbqqSpOAaaJmmna.png (image.png) 09:54:06 i've been showing up every day since and would like to ask that you consider my effort and talent in a positive and deserving light. 09:54:49 As sech1 highlighted, the reaction you are seeing here is because you are asking money from the community for a project that you have built that you are in no full capacity of maintaining without the help of AI tools. We're not looking down on people that are using "every tools", if you just have said that you were a beginner, [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/zuGwseQKb2NRVEJJ ] 09:54:49 Sorry, not sorry, your proposal will be rejected 09:56:32 sech1: so i got it up and running from scratch, and for some reason you think 'i cant maintain it'. where is the logic in that?> i though you were the smart guy around here lol 09:58:26 @tomdooley:matrix.org: bro you aren't special, just because your eyes pictured the code your LLM generated doesn't mean you understand it or can maintain it 09:58:34 If claud or chatgpt or whatever you used change their tos and ban all crypto use, what will you do then? Use open-source models which are 2 generations behind and can't handle the code? Serious question 09:58:49 @syntheticbird: its $350 a week. 09:59:26 @tomdooley:matrix.org: you'll notate the logical AND in my sentence 09:59:35 sech1: i get what you are saying, but for a serious answer, open source models are not far behind, qwen3 coder next and kimi k2.5 are some of the most used opensource models on openrouter 09:59:56 I have qwen3 coder next installed on my main PC, and it's not THAT good 10:00:20 fuck your IRC 10:00:22 get my edits 10:00:25 why are you using AI, thats it, your banned! 10:00:30 I only trust it with code reviews, and 80% of its output is garbage or false reports 10:00:45 i havent used it but im keeping up with it 10:01:00 part of the plan was to bring on contributors 10:01:06 its in the proposal 10:02:13 i just wanted to get it out there and show that it would be good for p2pool, if we could get it polished enough for the offical umbrel app store, and market out to the whoel community of bitcoiners and self-hosters that they could mine, i think it would be a hit 10:03:30 why is it that every monero integration proposal into easy self-hosting platform have to be garbage code 10:04:19 because the world is not perfect like you 10:04:20 you know, if you didn't used AI, you could have asked for more > <@tomdooley:matrix.org> its $350 a week. 10:04:29 and people would have probably accepted 10:06:17 if i diddnt use AI, people would not be mining on their umbrels right now getting payouts from p2pool 10:07:17 is the choice of word correct here? 10:07:25 <321bob321> Did you check what ai told you? 10:07:38 you claim there are people already using your brand new project? 10:07:40 <321bob321> Or blind trust it 10:08:04 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/IKtoLQiawMLnUNqFpzFPokFw.png (Screenshot 2026-02-08 at 2.07.50 AM.png) 10:08:10 or maybe hes just an AI bot?? 10:09:37 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/RWRJzHuYlJTOAHXAHpFoXGFM.mov (Screen Recording 2026-02-08 at 2.08.46 AM.mov) 10:10:13 this is my Superbrain group where i'm helping the beta testers and artists are developing themes. we are working together. 10:11:12 hes inspired and building now, its a great idea for a feature that can be added into superbrain > <@tomdooley:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/IKtoLQiawMLnUNqFpzFPokFw.png (Screenshot 2026-02-08 at 2.07.50 AM.png) 10:12:28 that why i need to dispel the myth that this is just 'ai slop code vibe', this is real work, and im doing it all day 10:12:30 anyways, you guys are over it, have a good night 10:13:18 10:43:41 I developed the code locally on my umbrel server to package the dockers and source builds, I had never used git before and i used different AI systems like cursor, antigravity and claude to help me debug, refactor, and get it through to github while teaching me how to do it and format the dashboard in ways 10:13:18 that would take me y 10:13:18 10:47:41 sorry but i do understand, i designed every piece of that app with tact and cunning 10:13:18 seeing these two messages after each other is insane. 10:13:18 in the future, how do you expect to maintain it? have AI rewrite it again? what happens when it ends up affecting end users? as I said elsewhere, it's fine if it affects just you, but you don't understand the pieces involved and will end up breaking (not if but when, and this is true for non-AI too) 10:14:44 remake it from scratch in a day with the latest model every few months 10:16:06 Should CCS fund the AI subscription then, and cut out the middle man? 10:16:59 I heard Opus 4.6 can even code a C compiler from scratch, so a mining app should be a piece of cake for it, right? 10:17:38 even looking at the commits is ... "FINAL REFACTOR of XXX" (a few hours later) "Fix: REFACTOR XXX" then "Swap XXX with refactor" 10:18:06 and then the inevitable https://vatsalagarwall.medium.com/the-day-an-ai-deleted-a-live-database-and-then-apologized-42bd12e9b0d5 10:18:07 I mean actually yes > <@tomdooley:matrix.org> or maybe hes just an AI bot?? 10:18:28 His first tweets are from end of december 2025 10:18:31 and his profile picture an AI generated man 10:18:34 he also tweets at least once an hour, which is enormous 10:18:40 i love matrix lagging 10:19:01 sech1: AI doesnt have the heart 10:19:13 syntheticbird did just you see the same black cat twice? :P 10:19:36 honestly that would help, im going to continue doing this with or without support > Should CCS fund the AI subscription then, and cut out the middle man? 10:20:07 really, see the link plowsof linked (for making crowdfunds) 10:20:09 sech1: oh my god 10:20:24 Frankly I don't see the big audience for your project. P2Pool has an official docker container, and a dozen of unofficial ones, and there's also Gupax for GUI users 10:20:45 plowsof you know i know you know 10:21:08 let's ban this fucker to oblivion 10:21:09 sech1: umbrel is big for prosumers, but someone else already did a p2pool setup there 10:21:38 and monero node etc. 10:22:46 sech1: you cant run docker containers from umbrel without digging into the terminal, and trying to learn umbrel $(APP_PROXY) setup and its docker networking, or using portainer which is also a nightmare. its needs all the elements of the package for the nice clean easy 1 click install 10:22:55 like, for this thing https://umbrel.com/umbrelos which can run on their hardware or your own 10:23:08 DataHoarder: i dont think there is a p2pool for umbrel, maybe im mistaken 10:23:25 monero.social is dying guys and gals 10:23:55 DataHoarder: its a big deal, and Monero needs to move in 10:24:13 https://apps.umbrel.com/app/monero 10:24:20 @tomdooley:matrix.org: ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 10:24:22 stop making noise 10:24:30 you'll only accelerate your fate 10:24:43 plowsof in eating lunch 10:25:00 give up 10:25:24 they maintain this https://github.com/deverickapollo/umbrel-monero for example 10:25:26 being a loser is one thing, orchestatring llm bots for giving your scam credibility is another 10:26:03 @syntheticbird: in jungian psychology, you are known as 'the gatekeeper', the one who says 'give up and go back'. you are a necessary part of my journey to success, thank you. 10:26:25 10:24:01 <@plowsof> https://kuno.anne.media/ good luck! 10:26:39 that fits the model of self-funding 10:26:48 syntheticbird i know you know i know you know 10:26:52 @tomdooley:matrix.org: you really saved this one in your bookmarks didn't you 10:27:00 DataHoarder: you must not understand the setup at all if you are telling me this. 10:27:28 @syntheticbird: let the grown ups talk, go trash on reddit 10:27:44 don't try to do all in one. instead you have the monero part done, maybe add p2pool 10:29:04 this app is required for Superbrain, it is preconfigured to access it. every Monero node on umbrel has rpc auth by default. Superbrain has an initialization script that fetches the user and password and bring it into its own env so that p2pool can turn on. > they maintain this https://github.com/deverickapollo/umbrel-monero for example 10:29:08 xmrig is a stretch 10:29:13 yes, I discovered it via your links 10:29:17 its not all in one, its separate 10:29:22 but why aren't they asking for money instantly 10:29:30 its not a stretch, its working right now 10:29:55 like your own readme has broken links btw 10:30:14 also\ 10:30:21 setting this up ... requires ssh access 10:30:30 > sech1: you cant run docker containers from umbrel without digging into the terminal 10:30:47 and you can't run this without digging on the terminal 10:30:59 has you edit some other package docker-compose.yml 10:31:19 which can be overridden anytime in an update 10:31:49 I guess you sending PRs upstream are nice, tbh 10:32:09 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YhnExHAsrcCLZQMSIWDUKuVq.mov (Screen Recording 2026-02-08 at 2.31.08 AM.mov) 10:32:20 "superbrain" already has bad vibes, but that is my personal opinion there, specially calling it "monero" on top 10:32:50 I believe it will work now, but once it breaks, what 10:32:57 it's not you who knows how this work 10:33:11 it doesnt, thats just right now because the monero node app (deverick) needs work. I have a PR that added --zmq published to tcp://0.0.0.0:18083 > setting this up ... requires ssh access 10:33:11 soon as that gets merged, users dont have to do ANYTHING, its all ready to go 10:33:23 but whatever AI cloud stuff hallucinated 10:33:34 DataHoarder: stop saying that its not true 10:33:55 here we go again to the same discussion each time 10:34:23 i broke it 100 times to get it to this point, what are you talking about lol > I believe it will work now, but once it breaks, what 10:34:50 anyone with field specific knowledge using AI for that field ends up finding out how wrong it is ALL the time. it's trained/designed to convince YOU that it's good, not being good 10:35:49 can you maintain this without any AI help? 10:35:51 can you learn to do git add / git commit / git push without it? 10:36:21 do you know bash? it's heavily featured on your repo 10:36:51 have you used React in the past without AI? could you edit it fully? 10:38:18 also that initial commit is ... after several initial commits https://github.com/brainchainz/Monero-Superbrain/commit/6de65b2e987c33bcc5fbe4c4d11f75cc6fdfb74e 10:38:27 wait you were just trying random containers? https://github.com/brainchainz/Monero-Superbrain/commit/0f403cea80edad4cf5c6f2ad1b613f61a003fb23 including my own never maintained one? 10:38:51 https://github.com/brainchainz/Monero-Superbrain/commit/c3bc1b1002a803a25a24c96ddf94cdf3953ea520 10:38:53 https://github.com/brainchainz/Monero-Superbrain/commit/af0bfe19bf1e2b5a3e8dd2a49c6abb1ffb10c47a 10:38:55 https://github.com/brainchainz/Monero-Superbrain/commit/473d898676169a6837657a98861f2e7f646a9f3c 10:38:57 do you even test locally? 10:39:26 im solid with docker. react and vite, still learning. the server.js i'm fully connected to, its part of me. > can you maintain this without any AI help? 10:39:53 the problem is that the burden of reviewing all of this is now also pushed onto others 10:39:55 where you can output a stream on demand (cloud overlords allowing) 10:40:01 this is the 7th repo for this project in its different iterations, i deleted the old ones, it goes way back, too embarrassing > also that initial commit is ... after several initial commits https://github.com/brainchainz/Monero-Superbrain/commit/6de65b2e987c33bcc5fbe4c4d11f75cc6fdfb74e 10:40:04 but i never give up 10:40:25 no I can see that indeed 10:41:05 i was trying every container i could, no one was using the app but me, i hadnt shared the github yet until it was solid on all fronts > wait you were just trying random containers? https://github.com/brainchainz/Monero-Superbrain/commit/0f403cea80edad4cf5c6f2ad1b613f61a003fb23 including my own never maintained one? 10:42:46 we can make images for every piece just, for this app, thats another goal 10:59:08 <321bob321> Its the blind trust in AI code thats the issue 10:59:19 <321bob321> And not even bother to learn 10:59:46 <321bob321> Look at clawbot 11:01:23 @321bob321: i agree. thats why i dont blindly trust AI and why i bother to learn. 11:02:08 im a huge critic of AI slop, i call it out daily. 12:17:53 @tomdooley:matrix.org: The issue is that it's not your work, it's ambiguous which parts can be argued yours, and you said it wasn't LLM-generated but that you used LLMs. 12:19:47 Basically this. The work done by someone who uses an LLM is writing prompts. The issue is the work submitted isn't prompts but code they claim they did. > Should CCS fund the AI subscription then, and cut out the middle man? 12:20:04 It's a project manager with a junior dev claiming to be a mid-senior developer. 12:20:15 Recipe for disaster 12:37:24 Beside the LLM use, he doesn't aspire me confidence in any way. He is supported by an LLM powered bot that started posting ai generated pro xmr images through at june 2025 before pausing and restarting posts in december 2025. His own github acount is 4 year old with the first activity being MAGIC candidate under the name KidTo [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/rJKEtuQKblRZMTh0 ] 14:22:06 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/QtqVZiYwchqcALVwlZhHzIVO.png (6607.png) 14:23:21 Bro I was literally struggling to search for some of your work right now and thought you were dead. 14:24:10 also looks awesome 14:27:12 @tomdooley:matrix.org I have made this before read the matrix discussion. So take this as my free but conditional support. 14:27:12 Just start a Kuno. Or significantly lower the funding amount requested for your CCS proposal to compensate the AI-assisted maintenance and stability risks. 14:27:12 Or involve someone more qualified for coding. 15:04:35 Even if 0 xmr , still laughable 15:14:40 I don't think CCS should normalize accepting ai shit. The fact that this is like the 7th repo, and starts off by commiting random docker images for p2pool, is crazy work 15:15:25 I get that the trial and error took time, but asking to be paid for proving that you have no idea what youre doing.. is wild 15:18:58 when AI will take over you'll be the first to be executed 15:47:24

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plowsof: Yes, perfect, many thanks! 17:00:05 anyone with field specific knowledge using AI for that field ends up finding out how wrong it is ALL the time. it's trained/designed to convince YOU that it's good, not being good <<>> great take :) 17:08:05 nioc how is your cat named? 17:08:11 cat right? 17:08:21 no, it's Cat 17:08:25 c vs C 17:08:28 my bad 17:08:34 right 17:08:36 thx 17:08:58 meow 17:09:26 🐈️📢🔥🔥🔥 17:33:53 hey guys i got an idea i have been sitting on for a project called shadowvault and wanted to see if the community would actually care about this for a ccs proposal 17:33:53 basically i want to build a storage vault that is 100% monero based so no btc or fiat and no kyc bs either just pure anonymity since we’re staying in the xmr ecosystem. it would be a .onion service with no accounts or signups and i want to keep it strictly html and css so zero javascript to keep it safe for tor users 17:33:53 the main thing is it'll have a dead man’s switch where you set a timer and if you dont check in the files get shredded or sent to a backup contact. i'll also do a weekly pgp signed warrant canary so people know the server is still safe. everything will be open source of course. 17:33:53 does this sound like something the community would actually support or is it too niche for a ccs? 17:37:02 @shadowvault:matrix.org: I would personally be interested by such service. But it requires dedication, hardware and a good business strategies. But I do not think a lot folks here might be thrilled at supporting a CCS proposal for kickstarting a business. I hope you know that if you make a CCS proposal, your code will need to be FOSS. 17:38:37 because 17:38:38 well 17:38:49 the CCS can only be about code 17:48:14 Totally get that. i'm planning on making the whole thing FOSS so the community owns the tech, not just me. my goal for the ccs would be to fund the actual development of the software. once the code is built and open source, i'll figure out the hardware/hosting side on my own as a separate thing. i'm definitely committed to keeping the code free for the ecosystem. 17:58:07 > <@syntheticbird> I would personally be interested by such service. But it requires dedication, hardware and a good business strategies. But I do not think a lot folks here might be thrilled at supporting a CCS proposal for kickstarting a business. I hope you know that if you make a CCS proposal, your code will need to be FOSS. 17:58:07 Totally get that. i'm planning on making the whole thing FOSS so the community owns the tech, not just me. my goal for the ccs would be to fund the actual development of the software. once the code is built and open source, i'll figure out the hardware/hosting side on my own as a separate thing. i'm definitely committed to keeping the code free for the ecosystem. 18:13:30