00:08:53 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: You might have forgotten one of them :)
00:10:36 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: That might be because I rather onions over odd-looking yellow weirdos... sir.
00:11:23 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> I am shocked and offended. I had yours in my clipboard history but not on X. How can this be?
00:11:32 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> That's fine, just since you said 'all' ;)
00:11:35 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> This must be the onions orchestrating an attack against that yellow weirdo.
00:11:43 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: Monero CCS Idea: "I2P SAMv3 support"
00:11:43 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/650
00:11:43 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> #MoneroXMR #Monero #XMR.
00:11:54 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> It's right there, but not on X.
00:11:55 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Onions man, far more powerful.
00:12:06 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> https://xcancel.com/MoneroSpace/status/2038408854854082608
00:12:09 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Thanks <3
00:12:10 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Done.
00:36:39 <br-m> <321bob321> Plowsof on AL ?
01:11:41 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> AL?
03:26:35 <br-m> <321bob321> Annual leave
03:43:04 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Nahh
03:43:18 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Promotion
06:02:20 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> @user2570:unredacted.org: CCS is intended to cover costs for projects that otherwise never had a chance, not to retroactively monetize hobby projects. In the last few years I remember exactly on retroactive CCS, which was by kayaba for crucial monero code, and even that was heavily discussed whether we should allow it or not. Not wanting to set a bad precedent and such.
06:02:20 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> Yes, I've read the entire thing, but that makes things worse imho. You quoted 15.6k for icon design, but at minimum the Monerokon one was never requested by us, collaborated on or used by us. For me at least you icon was always a placeholder so that your graphic works - which is perfectly fine with me! I won't be complaining a [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/jqLVtvQKMzl4d2lO ]
06:02:20 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> I mentioned the retroactive part first because it breaks a soft CCS rule and might not be eligible at all. BUT to be clear, even if you proposed this before starting work or update the proposal to fund the next year, I'd think it'd be a bad value offering and would vote against it.
08:35:17 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @ct:xmr.mx: # C
08:35:17 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> CCS is intended to cover costs for projects that otherwise never had a chance, not to retroactively monetize hobby projects. In the last few years I remember exactly on retroactive CCS, which was by kayaba for crucial monero code, and even that was heavily discussed whether we should allow it or not. Not wanting to set a bad precedent and such.
08:35:17 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Yes, I've read the entire thing, but that makes things worse imho. You quoted 15.6k for icon design, but at minimum the Monerokon one was never requested by us, collaborated on or used by us. For me at least you icon was always a placeholder so that your graphic works - which is perfectly fine with me! I won't be compla[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/za2Fu_QKRmgybTNP ]
08:37:16 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @ct:xmr.mx: Retroactive funding / compensation CCS proposals being uncommon doesn't make every such funding worse automatically.
08:37:16 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Other CCS proposals got funded but couldn't reach project potential as planned, as the milestones were not completed for different reasons.
08:37:16 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Obviously there is some risk involved. But in the case of our proposal, we decided to carry it on our shoulders and hope to get some compensation later.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/k9aMu_QKYTFRbFJU ]
09:25:23 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> I can't imagine any real live situation where people do voluntary things as a hobby, and then try to get paid after the fact because they feel like they "deserve" it. It has the vibes from people "gifting" you stuff on a bazaar, and once you take it they demand money because they deserve it.
09:25:23 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> >Hey I made you a free icon!
09:25:23 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> >Okey thanks I guess? (Trying to be nice because its a gift)
09:25:23 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> >We made so many icons, now community pay 600€ each, we deserve it
09:33:28 <br-m> <rottenwheel:unredacted.org> I don't think it's uncalled for to seek funding for eco, nor am I opposed to it, I'm in favor overall. I just think it's a bit disproportionate for you to scoop 73 XMR while Schmidt only gets 10 XMR. I'm not too privvy of how many hours or effort realistically it took you, but the sum in fiat or otherwise vs. his is a bit too  [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/2LjavPQKd1c2U1Yw ]
09:37:00 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @ct:xmr.mx: I aggree that's it is unusual. I think the comparison with a bazaar scammer is unnecessary.
09:37:00 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> And again it's not 600€ per logo.
09:37:00 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> I have designed at least 26 high quality svg logos. Some logos took more time to conceptualize, some less. Besides that I needed to design additional icons whenever needed for new features.
09:43:19 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> Monerokon neither asked for the logo, nor would have paid for it. If MK didn't value it, why are you expecting the community to pay up? Value is decided by the customer, not by how much time you sunk into it.
09:44:51 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> How many of the other logos are used by the projects you made them for? How many of them would have paid 600 for it? Of course its not 600 per logo, but total cost spread over the tangible results
09:44:56 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @ct:xmr.mx: Are you sure?
09:44:56 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Here is the MoneroKon logo used. Without a value??
09:44:56 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://njump.to/nprofile1qqs0th56tv6lh5z69jldf536uhqaykk608zsxtcv9guecwaa9zpjctqprfmhxue69uhhqun0ve5kcetn9ehx7um5wgcjucm0d5hszxrhwden5te0v35hyetrw3hhy7fw09skyafwd4jj7qgawaehxw309a5kuer90pjhytnrdaexzcmvv5h8xmmrd9skctcga7q65
09:47:34 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> I discussed it with our designer in DMS, he was not a fan
09:50:07 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> Was not used on webpage or other official documentation. Your link doesn't load for me
09:54:50 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @ct:xmr.mx: MoneroKon Official Nostr Profile:
09:54:50 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> npub17h0f5ke4l0g95t976nfr4ewp6fdd57w9qvhsc23ensam62yr9skqfrvalf
09:56:35 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @ct:xmr.mx: Does your designer have a reason? Lol "not a fan" is not specific at all.
09:56:35 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> A designer should be able to provide professional and objective criticism.
09:56:35 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> I am always ready to collaborate and change the logo if a better option is suggested.
10:02:06 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> monerokon does their own design every year. Your logo was not asked for, we are in no way obligated to colaborate
10:02:46 <br-m> <ct:xmr.mx> (I'm not part of the mk26 team, but because this happens during mk25 my input still has relevance)
10:09:47 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> I like different MoneroKon conference designs made by VostoEmisio every year. But an official / main logo would help long term recognition among potential participants.
10:09:47 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Am I wrong?
14:11:10 <br-m> <tradex:matrix.org> Who's in need of XMR
14:11:10 <br-m> <tradex:matrix.org> Please DM for business ASAP
14:12:34 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> @banhammer:matrix.org
14:12:36 <plowsof> ban this spammer ASAP
19:46:32 <n1oc> [CCS Proposals] plowsoff closed merge request #652: Update proposal with milestones & payouts, monero-mcp https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/652