09:23:20 <n1oc> [CCS Proposals] Dennis Trautwein opened merge request #667: ProbeLab P2P Network Metrics Proposal https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/667
11:23:46 <br-m> <321bob321> There will be a repo for the scanner ?
12:08:03 <plowsof> Tools already exist, make a pull request if theyre missing something, thanks
12:31:17 <br-m> <syntheticbird> no
12:31:20 <br-m> <syntheticbird> contributing is bad
12:31:26 <br-m> <syntheticbird> rewriting is good
12:33:15 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Only if its not foss tho
13:34:16 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> Since the code uploaded by 3RA was corrupted during compression, should I first build a functional website and finish the M1: Demo Development milestone later when he returns, or delete the M1: Demo Development milestone directly?
15:02:47 <br-m> <sgp_> Small update: our TrueNAS P2Pool app now supports all three networks (Main, Mini, Nano): https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/1sgrlqs/you_can_now_specify_the_monero_p2pool_network/
15:23:05 <br-m> <321bob321> Truenas is doing weird shit now
15:35:12 <br-m> <syntheticbird> rustsec is doing weird shit, npm is doing weird shit, claude mythos is doing weird shit, truenas is doing weird shit.
15:38:11 <br-m> <syntheticbird> WHO ISN'T DOING WEIRD SHIT RIGHT NOW?
15:38:37 <br-m> <syntheticbird> 3 FUCKING MINUTES TO SEND THAT MESSAGE. IM GOING TO KILL THIS INSTANCE
15:39:12 <br-m> <syntheticbird> real time chat my ass. we can go back to mailing lists with that delay
15:42:45 <br-m> <syntheticbird> alright im sorry for the offensive language. it has been driving me crazy for 2 years now
15:47:20 <nioc> syntheticbird may I suggest IRC
15:55:06 <plowsof> Yes
16:15:26 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> https://monero-observer.openenet.cn/
17:11:42 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @escapethe3ra u there @escapethe3ra:matrix.org
17:13:44 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 3RA said > I’m opting for a total disconnect
17:13:44 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> https://monero.observer/monero-observer-announcement-on-second-break/
17:14:04 <ofrnxmr> I know he's on a break. Doesnt mean he doesnt read messages
17:14:59 <ofrnxmr> How many times has a woman told you that she's not going to read your messages, yet she reads them all? Just me? Oh
17:15:08 <ofrnxmr> Ignorr
17:15:19 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> ofrnxmr: emm, ok
17:15:32 <ofrnxmr> (im joking)
17:16:55 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> Haven't had that happen to me, lol.
17:17:35 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> Am I not supposed to use "Monero Observer" as the name?
17:22:56 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Without ACK from him to take over his project, id use a different name
17:24:00 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> Monero View?
17:26:34 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> Lol, it’s almost exactly the same!
17:26:46 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> https://monero-observer.openenet.cn/cuprate-meeting-14-april-2026/
17:30:57 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I changed
18:40:02 <n1oc> plowsof - CCS Coordinator + QATS has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/plowsof_7_continued.html
18:40:03 <n1oc> vtnerd Full-time 2026 Q2 has moved to funding! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/vtnerd-2026-q2.html
18:41:59 <plowsof> DangerousFreedom moved to wip and funded via repurposed funds 👍
18:43:06 <nioc> thumbs_up
18:53:00 <n1oc> [CCS Proposals] plowsoff closed merge request #658: title: Exploratory Research on Metadata-Private Network Participation Metrics https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/658
19:21:16 <br-m> <321bob321> @syntheticbird: Back to the naughty corner
19:22:20 <br-m> <321bob321> https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1rt0elb/truenas_deprecates_public_build_repository_and/
19:36:57 <plowsof> jpk68 can you describe the user experience briefly of how you envision the i2p integration for the gui, and where (if any) automation would occur. Gingeroplous was concerned about noobs not being able to enjoy i2p usage, are they still accounted for in some way?
19:41:33 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> plowsof: Essentially, there will be a panel in the GUI for configuring SAM parameters, which are passed to the daemon in the backend. The user just inputs the port/address of the router (which are probably the default values anyways) and the SAM protocol creates/manages the tunnels itself.
19:41:43 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/BbnvGzWZTQqeChvthxBBEKAR.png (pasted file.png)
19:42:25 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Above is what the GUI part will probably look like. The image is an actual screenshot from the code I wrote for it (which is public)
19:43:06 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Bitcoin Core also has SAM functionality (though not for the GUI wallet), and how it interacts with monerod is pretty much the same way
19:45:34 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> From a UX point of view, I strongly believe this would be superior to having embedded binaries (we have already established this), because SAM tunnels aren't supposed to be short-lived (as outlined in I2P docs) and the daemon can use existing ones. An embedded router would likely take a long time to establish connections, which would be pretty inconvenient
19:49:00 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> As for the experience for 'noobs', this is pretty much as good as it can get, IMO. Up-to-date docs are also part of the proposal (including migration guide(s) from I2P SOCKS)
19:49:20 <plowsof> The noobs have i2p official docs to 'install' and 'setup' this? How much of this uses default running.services/ports?
19:50:01 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> pacman -S i2pd && systemctl enable i2pd --now
19:50:11 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Then open the GUI and click 'connect'
19:50:30 <plowsof> And the 2 categories of users will be accounted for, local monerod users, and those wanting to use remote servers?
19:50:50 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Yes.
19:51:19 <plowsof> Ok thanks
19:51:39 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> No problem :)
19:53:04 <plowsof> Im still leaning on funding the entire proposal with the "not feasible" and "expired" bounty. Would be nice for gingeropolous to come round to the idea as 9/10 experts agree this is the ONLY way if integrating i2p.     
19:53:51 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Whatever's most convenient :)
19:54:12 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> That sounds fine, but StormyCloud/I2P can fund it as well
21:11:23 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @plowsof i think its also sane to use the funds for review and enhancement, since ginger still wants an "embedded" daemon (like p2pool, even though it doesnt make sense, especially for i2p)
21:11:50 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> what options are in thjs drop-down box > <@jpk68:matrix.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/BbnvGzWZTQqeChvthxBBEKAR.png (pasted file.png)
21:12:06 <br-m> <321bob321> Does this included docs update
21:12:16 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I2P and that's it (for now)
21:12:25 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> I can always change it, it's just a rough prototype
21:12:54 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> @321bob321: Yes, all details are on the CCS page
21:13:25 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx https://codeberg.org/jpk68/monero-gui/src/branch/i2p/pages/settings/SettingsNetwork.qml
21:16:41 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Also, if you're willing, an updated comment regarding your stance on the proposal after the changes would be helpful :)
21:17:45 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I'll leave my thumb before long
21:19:29 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> my main concern is like plowsof just alluded to -- the conflict with the bounty request. I think we should invalidate the bounty since i2p works like garbage when you dont run the router long-term
21:19:53 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Yes, my point exactly
21:20:11 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> But again, as I have said, the bounty is accessory and funding can be obtained regardless
21:20:12 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> it can/will cause txs to silently fail, remote node connections to silently fail, etc for like 10 minutes after startup
21:20:30 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> More like half an hour if you don't have super good internet
21:20:32 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @jpk68:matrix.org: Thats not my concern. Its actually tor
21:25:25 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Anonymity network integration works best when both tor and i2p are enables on the node. (txs dont fail if one or the other goes down)
21:27:41 <br-m> <syntheticbird> The correct course of action should be to fallback to sending the transaction directly to plowsof for biometrically authenticated manual broadcasting.
21:28:02 <br-m> <syntheticbird> in case both networks are down
21:28:59 <br-m> <321bob321> Plowsof mitm
21:29:18 <plowsof> Ill get to it eventually / round robin approach sounds good
21:29:21 <br-m> <321bob321> Tx validator
21:30:25 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> plowsof: Elaborate please? Not quite sure what you mean
21:30:35 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> My bad if that was directed at someone else
21:35:49 <br-m> <sgp_> is there a way to get this moved to funding asap? https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/663
21:41:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Did mrl talk about it at the meeting?
21:42:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> It can be merged once mrl signs off on it
21:42:57 <nioc> didn't it get discussed yesterday?
21:43:01 <plowsof> Was there an update on phase 1 estimates being  around the estimate.
21:43:21 <plowsof> Yesterday was 15k CS re-audit with a new team?
21:43:29 <plowsof> Jberman
21:44:51 <nioc> it was, no sure of the discussion about 663 other than it has gotten positive feedback at mrl
21:45:04 <plowsof> Sorry yes same meeting
21:45:59 <plowsof> Have all devs taking part in the fcmp++ integration been funded in FULL uet? :D 
21:46:25 <plowsof> https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/
21:47:07 <nioc> jeffro needs another 17.58xmr
21:48:02 <nioc> lez go
21:58:53 <plowsof> "This CCS requests an upfront amount to cover all 3 Phases" does this mean all funds sent to presumably MAGIC? That is not clear 
21:59:22 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I think it just means that the funds raises before quotes obtained
22:00:13 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> With payouts etc signed off by mrl like fcmp++research
22:04:52 <plowsof> Just an update reg phase1 estimates - incase theyre WILDLY inaccurate , then 
22:06:09 <plowsof> Upvotes and such D:
22:06:10 <nioc> yes, funds b4 quotes.  At least for phases 2+3
22:07:04 <nioc> as 1 is currently being solicited 
23:34:41 <br-m> <sgp_> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Yes this
23:35:36 <br-m> <sgp_> Different thing. That isn't part of the berman idea CCS, that was part of the existing fcmp research fund > <plowsof> Yesterday was 15k CS re-audit with a new team?
23:37:35 <br-m> <sgp_> I agree it's a little confusing but the CCS probably isn't meant for this