00:13:00 <br-m> <321bob321> The translation hyperlink is down
05:28:52 <geonic> :D
05:30:55 <geonic> if commenting on reddit translated to coding skills I'd be set
15:20:05 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Community Meeting in 40mins https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1372
15:59:56 <ofrnxmr> Meeting time: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1372
16:00:07 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Hello
16:00:08 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> hello
16:00:20 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Hello
16:00:26 <ofrnxmr> Hello everybody
16:00:41 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> hello
16:00:49 <br-m> <syntheticbird> Hi
16:01:21 <br-m> <iamnew117:matrix.org> Hello
16:01:54 <ofrnxmr> 3. Community highlights
16:02:29 <ofrnxmr> Happy Birthday to Monero
16:02:52 <nioc> 🎈🎉
16:03:05 <br-m> <syntheticbird> 🎉🎉🎉🎉
16:04:27 <plowsof> 👋 🥳
16:04:30 <ofrnxmr> Newsletters still newslettering -- i think cyphergoat is taking a short break. So CG and MO are on breaks atm
16:04:35 <ofrnxmr> News: [Monero Observer](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [This week in Monero TWIM](https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero)
16:05:04 <nioc> it's not on the agenda but I was wondering how to get more donations for the CCS
16:05:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> cc @hbs:matrix.org  has a #moneroswap:matrix.org  giveaway for monero bday
16:05:45 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: a very modest one though, don't get too excited:-)
16:05:59 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Hey, free is free
16:06:55 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> nioc, i think we need to expand beyond twitter and matrix. Doesnt help that a lot of these platforms ban tor
16:07:19 <nioc> I am not even on those  lol
16:07:42 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> its pretty clear that a bulk of donated funds come from a handful of entities
16:08:17 <br-m> <syntheticbird> and we do thanks this handful of entities
16:08:22 <br-m> <syntheticbird> as well as all the other
16:09:06 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> i imagine that, at some point, the well will run dry. Bull and bear markets help. Trading sideways doesnt. During bull markets, whales have extra money. During bear markets, people more readily convert fiat to xmr to purchase the xmr
16:09:53 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> And yeah, even w/o whales, the donations from regular community members add up, just slower
16:09:58 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I've said before that I think it would be a good idea to setup multiple social media account (yes including mastodon and bluesky) to not only share updates on CCS items but also interview with the devs or updates by the author's word
16:10:09 <br-m> <syntheticbird> that's all benefits
16:10:16 <br-m> <syntheticbird> CCS get material for coverage
16:10:22 <br-m> <syntheticbird> and authors get closer to the community
16:10:34 <nioc> thx for volunteering synthetic bird  <3
16:10:39 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> i think mainstream exposure > niche exposure
16:10:43 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> * Nostr and maybe Lemmy?
16:10:48 <br-m> <iamnew117:matrix.org> This is a good idea > <@syntheticbird> I've said before that I think it would be a good idea to setup multiple social media account (yes including mastodon and bluesky) to not only share updates on CCS items but also interview with the devs or updates by the author's word
16:11:05 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> i dont know a single real human who uses bluesky lemmy nostr mastodon
16:11:20 <br-m> <syntheticbird> im not real
16:11:35 <nioc> ofc, it's in your name
16:11:43 <br-m> <syntheticbird> i use blusky and lemmy
16:11:46 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Correct. Youre synthetic
16:11:50 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> I do :)
16:11:53 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> What i mean, is mainstream adoption is lacking.
16:11:56 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Does anyone know how much donations does general fund recieve annually? > <@ofrnxmr> i imagine that, at some point, the well will run dry. Bull and bear markets help. Trading sideways doesnt. During bull markets, whales have extra money. During bear markets, people more readily convert fiat to xmr to purchase the xmr
16:12:14 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> To be fair, Lemmy people might not be too sympathetic to the cause ;)
16:12:24 <nioc> general fund donations are public 
16:12:29 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> @user2570:unredacted.org: It varies greatly. Its all logged on twitter and with the view key
16:12:34 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Though they do actually accept XMR donations
16:12:35 <plowsof> Placed ad : dont forget Mitra from silverpill. Xmr donations / monero-lws built in (and more!)
16:12:38 <nioc> gf donates to the CCS
16:14:24 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> In any case, i think we need to work harder on adoption from the meatspace and someone needs to use mainstream social media
16:14:45 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr: Are there any stats that show the donated amount of past year for example?
16:14:53 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> There's a dead facebook that used to be excited, probably run by the same person who runs the x
16:15:19 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr: I would vote for nostr
16:15:26 <br-m> <syntheticbird> We're excited to excite our excitement so you're excited too about this exciting account.
16:15:32 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> @ofrnxmr: Perhaps I can take on some of the social media operations in China.
16:15:35 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> i said mainstream
16:15:50 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> It's not that un-mainstream
16:16:11 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr: well, mainstream has censorship risk
16:16:12 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @pyxmr2025:mozilla.org: are you sure its gonna be ok ? Is XMR well-viewed by the chinese government ?
16:16:41 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I know chinese are a lot into crypto-trading, but that doesn't particularly make china a crypto-friendly country
16:16:52 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Ok lets carry on. Happy bday monero, lets hit a growth spurt this year
16:17:16 <br-m> <yokoama:matrix.org> Has anyone tried to remove fake "monerogui wallet" on iOS store ? they are stealing user funds
16:17:17 <ofrnxmr> Any other community highlights?
16:17:52 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> @syntheticbird: There is no separate regulation on Monero. It is treated the same as all other cryptocurrencies.Possession is legal, but trading is illegal.However, participating in its development is a different matter entirely.
16:18:34 <ofrnxmr> 4. CCS proposals
16:18:46 <ofrnxmr> a. [MRL] Dennis Trautwein - [ProbeLab P2P Network Metrics Proposal](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/667)
16:19:08 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> ofrnxmr: Please postpone the discussion about my monero .eco CCS proposal to next week.
16:19:08 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Unfortunately I still need to address some comments and add more details to the proposal. Currently I am running low on time.
16:19:23 <ofrnxmr> Some discussion ongoing regarding KES trust/trustlessness
16:19:35 <ofrnxmr> @user2570 ack
16:19:47 <plowsof> For grease or probelab
16:19:57 <ofrnxmr> whoops
16:19:59 <ofrnxmr> Thanks plowsof
16:20:05 <ofrnxmr> For grease
16:20:15 <ofrnxmr> Probelab discussion obgoing regardonf opensourceness
16:21:31 <ofrnxmr> Any comments?
16:21:43 <br-m> <syntheticbird> a little expensive
16:22:40 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Id say that the commercial offering shoukd be provided to mrl indefinitely, free of charge. Otherwise we're just funding BS
16:23:33 <ofrnxmr> b. JackieXMR - [Set up a temporary news aggregation website](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/655)
16:24:03 <ofrnxmr> @jackie had started work on this and had started posting articles (?). Can you share the link
16:24:15 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> demo: https://monero-observer.openenet.cn
16:24:46 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> I made two versions, check them out.
16:25:16 <ofrnxmr> Where's the 2nd version?
16:25:25 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Just curious, is there any particular reason it's copyrighted?
16:25:52 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: emm, have to change
16:26:10 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> ofrnxmr: ?2nd?
16:26:53 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> It wasn't as easy as I thought, but 3ra has indeed been away for quite a long time.
16:27:00 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> maybe you meant to say "two articles"? > <@pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> I made two versions, check them out.
16:27:16 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> @ofrnxmr: yes
16:28:17 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> If nobody needs this, the platform will only be updated with meeting information from now on.
16:29:06 <ofrnxmr> Maybe between now and the next meeting you can get it to a point where its able to produce as much real-time content as MO was? (which is the goal)
16:29:32 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> yeah
16:29:34 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> maybe
16:29:58 <ofrnxmr> Any thoughts from anyone else?
16:30:12 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> but there is an exam between 2 time
16:31:13 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> We can also shut it down entirely, and I'll devote my effort to other things instead.
16:31:20 <ofrnxmr> I'm not sure how you will keep up with information like MO did. Thats my main skepticism.
16:31:57 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> yeah, it;s difficult
16:32:32 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> So I plan to see what everyone thinks, and whether this platform is actually needed.
16:33:24 <ofrnxmr> If no further comments, we'll move on. Please everyone comment or thumb up/down the proposal
16:33:31 <ofrnxmr> c. mondetta - [monero.eco 2025-2026 compensation](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/660)
16:33:40 <ofrnxmr> Skipping at request on proposer 
16:33:45 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Aren't we skipping this one
16:34:15 <ofrnxmr> Yes, but its on the agenda, so still noting it
16:34:21 <plowsof> Questions/feedback can be answered later if anyone has any though
16:34:21 <ofrnxmr> For the logs
16:34:35 <ofrnxmr> d. redsh4de - [CCS Frontend Redesign & Backend Upgrade](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/641)
16:34:38 <ofrnxmr> and
16:34:50 <br-m> <syntheticbird> for the logs, i'm eating pretzel right now
16:34:53 <ofrnxmr> e. SyntheticBird - [Site and CCS UI/UX, Transitions & Animations work (4 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/644)
16:34:59 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> All +1
16:35:05 <br-m> <syntheticbird> +1 for redsh4de
16:35:40 <ofrnxmr> No public comment, but core expressed that this should be frontend only, essentially a reskinbto match beta site, and w/o animations 
16:36:28 <ofrnxmr> (i was hoping for a public comment. I don't like playing broken telephone)
16:36:54 <br-m> <syntheticbird> plowosof didn't expressed anything about animations or js
16:37:49 <br-m> <syntheticbird> so no backend upgrade, no animations, no transitions, no js, no life is that what i should assume is the stance ?
16:37:59 <br-m> <syntheticbird> im gonna kms
16:38:41 <br-m> <syntheticbird> (for the logs, im joking)
16:38:52 <ofrnxmr> a re-skin to match beta website is how i understood it, but diego ack'd backend. So theres some communication disconnect here
16:39:38 <br-m> <syntheticbird> i'll take the risk to wait for communication be reconnected again. If CCS animations and js are out then I have to redo pricing
16:40:10 <ofrnxmr> thank you for being patient 
16:40:32 <br-m> <syntheticbird> always there to wait 👍️
16:40:58 <ofrnxmr> Fwiw, it took like a year and like 10 meetings and a new workgroup to decide on beta website direction 🥲
16:41:34 <ofrnxmr> Can we book another -website meeting for next saturday?
16:41:46 <br-m> <syntheticbird> saturday? not sunday?
16:41:50 <ofrnxmr> Yeah
16:42:21 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I would be fine with it but redsh4de is afk. I would say ask in -website room and wait for him to confirm
16:42:27 <ofrnxmr> ok cool
16:42:30 <ofrnxmr> f. jpk68 - [I2P SAMv3 support](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/650)
16:43:19 <ofrnxmr> For the time being, the related bounty and all submissions have been denied. Plowsof has suggested funding this proposal in full using funds from the bounty
16:43:31 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> I believe approval is quite solid, and the funding source just has to be clarified
16:43:32 <br-m> <syntheticbird> +1
16:44:22 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> @i2pdk:matrix.org is also here, in case anyone has questions in that regard
16:44:31 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> I would say merge to funding required, and fund or top off using the bounty
16:45:01 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> +1
16:46:26 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> and for the the bounty funds to be used for related anonymity work, like review, torcontrol, enhancing the gui experience beyond what jpk has planned
16:46:43 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> the remaining* bounty funds
16:46:59 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> The other open GUI PRs related to I2P integration have also been closed, as of yesterday
16:47:17 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Just for the logs, yk
16:47:26 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> ofrnxmr: "and all submissions have been denied"
16:47:40 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> My bad, I missed that
16:48:10 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Np. My wording wasnt clear
16:50:09 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> anyway, im cool with using bounty funds to fund it, but id like it to go to funding required -> request for bounty wallet to top off the proposal
16:50:28 <ofrnxmr> g. acx - [part-time work on Monfluo 2026Q2](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/662)
16:50:39 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> +1
16:50:41 <br-m> <syntheticbird> +1
16:51:19 <ofrnxmr> h. SNeedlewoods - [part-time-dev-Q2-26](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/664)
16:51:32 <plowsof> Move to work in progress and send 50xmr to the ccs wallets primary address is my plan (for i2p sam)
16:51:55 <nioc> SNeedlewoods ++++++
16:51:55 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: +1
16:52:27 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> plowsof: With donations being slow, and ccommitments from i2p to help with funding, i think its a good idea to not look the gift horse in the mouth
16:52:57 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> And to accept the extra funds, and use the extra bounty funds where needed
16:53:46 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Funding from StormyCloud is always an option (they offered to fund it), however since they are a nonprofit it would be preferable to use their funds as a last resort, with the bounty going first. But whatever works :)
16:54:05 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> So id say to move to fr, and top off the proposal, instead of foregoing the extra donation(s)
16:54:38 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> In any case, its not a blocker, just my personal preference
16:55:43 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> also, with all of the.. accounting issues, i wouldnt want it merged to wip until the funds are physically present in the ccs wallet
16:56:27 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> +1 to jpk acx sneed (already thumbed up gitlab)
16:56:37 <ofrnxmr> i. [MRL] CjS77 - [Grease Payment Channels -- production implementation and SDK](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/651)
16:57:09 <ofrnxmr> _this_ is the one that has ongoing discussion in MRL regarding trusted KES
16:57:42 <ofrnxmr> still deferring to mrl here
16:57:47 <ofrnxmr> j. [Events] - [39C3 Support](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/622)
16:58:05 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> close 39c3 imo
17:00:30 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Unfortunately I have to leave now, but thanks for a good meeting, everyone :)
17:00:41 <ofrnxmr> thanks, hour's up
17:01:02 <ofrnxmr> Also want to mention that the fcmp++ integrarion audit was moved to funding
17:01:42 <ofrnxmr> And beta stressnet is likely targetted to begin in a couple weeks
17:02:17 <ofrnxmr> Will end the meeting here. Feel free to continue discussing.
17:02:22 <ofrnxmr> Thanks everyone
17:02:46 <plowsof> Thanks!
17:03:40 <ofrnxmr> Next meeting in 2 weeks. Saturday May 2, 2026, 1600 UTC
17:14:29 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> As an aside, APRS has been added to the code repository mirror. You can check the server operational status on aprs.fi.
17:14:29 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> CALL:BD8ARB-9
17:14:29 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> mirror:https://repo.openenet.cn
17:14:36 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> and Thanks all
17:14:55 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/mozilla.org/0ab20df2dd098466695bfb7a31f745919eda02562045551658015916032.png (image.png)
17:17:22 <br-m> <aillia:matrix.org> 🫡 > <@syntheticbird> I've said before that I think it would be a good idea to setup multiple social media account (yes including mastodon and bluesky) to not only share updates on CCS items but also interview with the devs or updates by the author's word
17:17:22 <br-m> <aillia:matrix.org> https://coracle.social/notes/nevent1qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgu3wvfskuep0qythwumn8ghj77rdwgh82um9dehhxarj9ehhyee0qyg8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnddakj7qgewaehxw309ahx7um5wghxc6tzv4e8g7fwveskuue0qyw8wumn8ghj7mn0wd68ytnsdae8getddahx2un09e3k7mf0qqsqqpv7aqyqcz0stdemqwacgyaa4wg9drenap2slnukh3x03p7ymtsyxcnej
17:17:22 <br-m> <aillia:matrix.org> https://substack.com/@aillia/note/c-245466635
17:22:17 <geonic> say it ain’t so fluffypony: https://x.com/XMRVoid/status/2045523021515915763?s=20
17:29:13 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> ofrnxmr: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1372#issuecomment-4274215685 log updated, can close
17:36:55 <br-m> <kowalabearhugs_> Full support for accounts on mastodon and bluesky to disseminate ccs info, updates, etc > <@syntheticbird> I've said before that I think it would be a good idea to setup multiple social media account (yes including mastodon and bluesky) to not only share updates on CCS items but also interview with the devs or updates by the author's word
18:30:38 <br-m> <midipoet:matrix.org> Wait. Does Wagyu work though?
18:39:46 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Probably
19:22:33 <geonic> judging by their advisor list it must be legit
19:59:44 <br-m> <monerobull:matrix.org> I would not be surprised if they he rugs at some point 
22:02:19 <br-m> <diego:cypherstack.com> Oops I missed a couple pings?
22:02:58 <br-m> <diego:cypherstack.com> Oh I found one. I said yeah a backend upgrade wouldn't be bad but if nobody else thinks it's necessary that's fine. 
23:05:03 <n1oc> jeffro256 full-time development 2026Q1 is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/jeffro256-full-time-2026Q1.html @luigi1111