02:05:43 <geonic> the higher the rates the shorter the reports ;p
10:04:08 <plowsof> Hinto was fully funded then an extra 0.1 came in 
10:04:52 <plowsof> Ive sent a tiny patch to make sure the funding required page updates the totals if gitlab is offline, live totals are here https://getwishlisted.xyz/proposals.json
10:05:12 <plowsof> 0.01~
10:19:48 <br-m> <4rkal> https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero/issue-29
12:53:25 <br-m> <rbrunner7> Total nitpick, but the Monero logo in the girl's picture is wrong ...
13:07:02 <br-m> <321bob321> Someone please train the LLM models
13:07:47 <nioc> train them to buy monero 
13:25:39 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> train them to SELL monero at a bargain to members of this channel!
13:27:02 <nioc> yes, buy high and sell low  :)
15:14:00 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Community meeting in 47 mins: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1381
15:56:01 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> I will likely not be able to make it :(
15:58:27 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Nevermind, I'll just be late
16:00:06 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Hello
16:01:02 <ofrnxmr> meeting time: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1381
16:01:17 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> hi
16:01:24 <br-m> <r4v3r23> yo
16:01:26 <ofrnxmr> Good morning
16:03:14 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> GM
16:03:28 <ofrnxmr> 3. Community highlights
16:03:39 <br-m> <syntheticbird> Hello
16:04:13 <ofrnxmr> The beta fcmp++ stressnet software has been released, and is targetted to fork in a few days (may 6 iirc)
16:04:24 <ofrnxmr> > v1.1 beta stressnet is released! Download the latest binaries here: https://github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/releases
16:05:37 <ofrnxmr> ##monero-stressnet on irc and #monero-stressnet:monero.social on matrix
16:06:43 <ofrnxmr> Regarding CCS: The GitLab that hosts the [CCS repo](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals) may be inaccessible and/or unusable at this time. It may not be possible to merge, close, modify, or comment directly on proposals. Funding Required totals can be seen [here](https://getwishlisted.xyz/proposals.json)
16:08:48 <plowsof> A disk needs to be added and gitlab files migrated, this has not yet been done, a temporary fix to keep it online for a further 2 ish days was done. With gitlab offline, the funding required totals do not update, ive submitted a small patch to fix that
16:09:35 <plowsof> Hintos proposal is fully funded https://getwishlisted.xyz/proposals.json
16:09:50 <plowsof> Ah thanks for linking ofrnxmr 
16:10:29 <ofrnxmr> Monerokon 2026 is in a month. June 5-7th in Warsaw. tickets can be purchased @ tickets.monerokon.org 
16:12:54 <ofrnxmr> Does anyone have any other community highlights or business that theyd like to mention?
16:14:18 <ofrnxmr> obligatory plug for the news sources: News: [Monero Observer (on vacation)](https://www.monero.observer/) - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [This week in Monero TWIM](https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero)
16:14:46 <ofrnxmr> Moving on to (4). the CCS Proposals
16:15:02 <ofrnxmr> a. [MRL] Dennis Trautwein - [ProbeLab P2P Network Metrics Proposal](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/667)
16:16:25 <ofrnxmr> There are some conflicts about scope / usability, proposed and mixed licensing, etc. Overall it seeks sentiment is trending negatively
16:16:39 <ofrnxmr> Seems*
16:17:47 <ofrnxmr> it has been discussed at numerous MRL meetings and i believe it will still be on the coming MRL agenda
16:18:10 <ofrnxmr> b. ~~JackieXMR - [Set up a temporary news aggregation website](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/655)~~
16:18:29 <ofrnxmr> Since our last meeting, jackie has voluntarily closed this proposal 
16:18:46 <ofrnxmr> c. Skip - mondetta - [monero.eco 2025-2026 compensation](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/660)
16:19:18 <ofrnxmr> Mondetta hs requested that we postpone discussion on this proposal until it is modified
16:19:31 <ofrnxmr> d. ashishb1052002 - [AirGap wallet - integrate Monero](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/672)
16:19:59 <ofrnxmr> This is a new proposal from a wallet that has existed for quite a few years.
16:21:04 <ofrnxmr> the proposals is to integrate monero into https://airgap.it/ wallet
16:21:51 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> ofrnxmr Please postpone monero.eco CCS proposal discussion again. > <ofrnxmr> Mondetta hs requested that we postpone discussion on this proposal until it is modified
16:21:51 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Unfortunately I had no time time to properly correct my monero.eco CCS propsal, beacause it depended on other things, which need to be documented.
16:21:51 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Last weeks I prioritized following things:[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/wqL5l_8KNERZUmV2 ]
16:22:16 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> @user2570:unredacted.org: the gitlab is down, so you cant even modify it :D
16:22:50 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @ofrnxmr: I have saved some text to answer offline
16:23:43 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> ofrnxmr: The gitlab is down, so i'm going off of memory, but i believe the original ccs was ~75xmr. After request for them to use a compliant URQR airgap (like anonero, cupcake, feather), the proposal cost almost doubled in amount. A lot of the responses were written by chatgpt as well.
16:23:47 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @plowsof:matrix.org > <ofrnxmr> Mondetta hs requested that we postpone discussion on this proposal until it is modified
16:23:47 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> I am still waiting for you to approve two logo proposals, which have already been independently approved by 5 MDC Designers.
16:23:47 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> The results of votings are published here:
16:23:47 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/ccs-logos/
16:23:47 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/bounties-logos/
16:24:38 <br-m> <r4v3r23> @ofrnxmr: they didnt even know about UR, so it just shows the amount of real research that went into that ai slop of a proposal
16:24:56 <br-m> <r4v3r23> and when cornered about it they claim i didnt understand lmao
16:25:09 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> I had told them about URQR before they opened the proposal, but they went ahead and ignored me anyway
16:26:24 <ofrnxmr> e. r4v3r23 - [ANONERO Continued development](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/671)
16:26:35 <br-m> <r4v3r23> yes yes
16:26:42 <ofrnxmr> R4v3r23, since you're here, can you explain the gist of the proposal
16:26:47 <br-m> <r4v3r23> anonym (previous dev) disappeared (again) before doing the finishing touches, found a new dev whose been on fire since starting about a month ago
16:26:59 <br-m> <r4v3r23> way more reliable and professional. shipped like 3 updates already and fixed some bugs prev dev couldnt catch
16:27:12 <br-m> <r4v3r23> new CCS is for 10 hours a week for a year, but thats  minimum and can possibly get 20-30 per week so updates will be quick. probably 6 months the way things are going
16:27:32 <plowsof> 1 month old nym
16:28:39 <ofrnxmr> Do you recall or have a copy of the details of the proposal?
16:29:01 <br-m> <r4v3r23> finally getting around to more advanced stealth features that were always planned before rewrite happened
16:29:37 <br-m> <r4v3r23> ofrnxmr: new ui, stealth mode, decoy wallet, duress pin, various smaller features
16:29:45 <br-m> <r4v3r23> $45 an hour for 500 hours
16:30:12 <br-m> <r4v3r23> work is minimum 10 hours a week, but like i said it looks like it will be much faster
16:31:09 <br-m> <r4v3r23> anonero repo has been very active since new dev has started, looking forward to the next round of updates
16:31:50 <ofrnxmr> Thanks
16:32:06 <ofrnxmr> f. redsh4de - [CCS Frontend Redesign & Backend Upgrade](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/641)
16:32:07 <ofrnxmr> And
16:32:16 <ofrnxmr> g. SyntheticBird - [Site and CCS UI/UX, Transitions & Animations work (4 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/644)
16:32:27 <plowsof> 3 months CCS (to fall in line with monfluo) seems sane, especially for a less than one month old new dev
16:32:51 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> I need to check the anonero CCS. Will likely support it. Been folowing the project for a while. > <@r4v3r23> finally getting around to more advanced stealth features that were always planned before rewrite happened
16:32:54 <br-m> <pyxmr2025:mozilla.org> +1
16:33:10 <br-m> <r4v3r23> plowsof: its split into 3 milestones, the contract is for those hours
16:33:58 <plowsof> My feedback stands
16:34:16 <br-m> <r4v3r23> thats fine, different teams work differently
16:34:33 <ofrnxmr> There have been a couple website meetings to further discuss the scope of (f) and (g), (but nobody comes to them :D)
16:34:34 <br-m> <r4v3r23> anonero already handled a bigger CCS than this despite the issues
16:35:08 <br-m> <r4v3r23> @user2570:unredacted.org: this next ccs is a real upgrade. basically anonero 2.0
16:35:17 <plowsof> The site room is now public and not invite only >_<
16:36:01 <ofrnxmr> Oh yeah,ol. It being invite-only didnt help *facepalm* 
16:37:35 <ofrnxmr> The gist of that, is that minimal changes to the website (essentially a reskin to match beta.monerodevs.org styling) are accepted, but further changes (changing the backend, adjusting the UX, animations etc) are, at this time, not accepted
16:37:49 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> plowsof: I am still waiting for you to approve two logo proposals, which have already been independently approved by 5 MDC Designers.
16:37:49 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> The results of votings are published here:
16:37:49 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/ccs-logos/
16:37:49 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/bounties-logos/
16:37:50 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/uI2zmP8KZWhjX0Nt ]
16:37:51 <ofrnxmr> By website, im referring to ccs.getmonero.org
16:37:57 <br-m> <syntheticbird> ofrnxmr: I must express in this meeting logs my frustration regarding the lack of new feedback from core. So far we only get feelings from them more than formal criterias, which would be needed because of the importance and scope of this overhaul. There is rejection regarding 3/4 of CCS milestones
16:38:07 <br-m> <syntheticbird> This is despite the positive opinion
16:38:43 <br-m> <syntheticbird> s/in/on
16:39:30 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: The CCS banner for the redesigned CCS wbsite designed by me is also a gift https://monerodc.codeberg.page/blog/ccs-banner/
16:39:42 <ofrnxmr> user2570, please wait til after the meeting
16:40:01 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> ofrnxmr: I can doo that
16:40:04 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @user2570:unredacted.org: There is no approval per say required from us. We respect the MDC vote and give feedbacks of course. I completely forgot to implement it last week and I am sorry for that.
16:40:06 <ofrnxmr> after the other proposals are discussed*
16:40:53 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @syntheticbird: No problem at all. At least you provide some response
16:41:08 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> ofrnxmr: I can wait.
16:42:43 <ofrnxmr> Syn, are you planning a meeting for tomorrow?
16:43:28 <ofrnxmr> Since the room isnt invite only, maybe participants here today can/will attend now
16:43:32 <br-m> <syntheticbird> No
16:44:05 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I didn't plan on it tomorrow, so I won't have the time.
16:44:37 <br-m> <syntheticbird> also redsh4de needs to be here, and they are afk so having a confirmation this evening (UTC) to for having it the day after is pretty short
16:45:00 <br-m> <r4v3r23> is rehrar not part of ccs/community stuff now?
16:45:11 <ofrnxmr> Ok np. As it stands though, i think you're right that 3/4 of the milestones are soft-nack'd. anything can change though, so 🤷‍♂️. CCS host is borked atm anyway
16:46:02 <ofrnxmr> Yes rehrar is, and even moreso a part of the website workgroup and the designer of the new website and original designer of ccs website
16:47:11 <ofrnxmr> anyone interested in these 2 proposals, please join #monero-site:monero.social #monero-site 
16:47:33 <ofrnxmr> h. jberman - [full-time development (4 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/674)
16:47:52 <br-m> <r4v3r23> automerge
16:48:20 <br-m> <r4v3r23> just spoke to him about another bug found in bgsync ( only affects polyseed wallets)
16:49:24 <ofrnxmr> Lets pray that core can afford some extra storage for the repo (so that it can come back online)
16:50:03 <br-m> <r4v3r23> #pray4core
16:51:02 <ofrnxmr> the tldr of jbermans proposal is fcmp and core dev stuff. @jackie, was your mirror able to mirror these proposals before repo went down again
16:51:43 <ofrnxmr> j. [Events] - [39C3 Support](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/622)
16:52:21 <ofrnxmr> I have nothing further to add to this proposal. Its been around for like 6 months and is for a conference that has come and went
16:52:34 <ofrnxmr> @user2570 you're free to discuss
16:53:41 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Well, I am waiting for answer from plowsof for a while. I am not sure what's the problem is > <@user2570:unredacted.org> I am still waiting for you to approve two logo proposals, which have already been independently approved by 5 MDC Designers.
16:53:44 <plowsof> Forgot to update the snapshot @ https://web.archive.org/web/20260421034311/https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ or cop and paste them, my bad 
16:55:22 <plowsof> user2570 i am currently exercising my right of free wil 
16:56:15 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Do you need more info? What am I doing wrong?
16:57:13 <plowsof> 1. Humans dont like change, please understand and 2. Presenting the MDC as authoritative is really weird  
16:57:27 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> I think its a simple matter of not accepting the contribution
16:57:43 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Just because someone gifts me a vegan steak, doesnt mean i have to eat it
16:58:14 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> It's not a vegan steak!
16:58:50 <ofrnxmr> Thanks everyone for attending. Ofc you can continue to discuss
16:59:15 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> Ok, maybe it's a regular steak, and plowsof is a vegan?
16:59:18 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> plowsof: 2. MDC is nowhere near being authoritative and is nothing weird about it
16:59:58 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/etUMGMLazKtKZACKkVuujwaf.png (bounties-logo-voting-mdc.png)
17:00:02 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/OEJuJWWxjgzCUrlAQktNcntD.png (ccs-logo-voting-mdc.png)
17:00:02 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> @user2570:unredacted.org: Stating that MDC voted for change and then asking why project A B or C isnt respecting that vote, IS the definition of claiming that MDC has authority
17:00:29 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> @user2570:unredacted.org: plowsof Is this beinng authoritative???
17:01:57 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> I have spent all efforts needed for the 2 proposals to be evaluated, and I expect reasonable response.
17:03:22 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> MDC is not the desicion maker. But please resppect our time invested to provide best results for an important project like Monero CCS ad Bounties
17:07:22 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Again these proposed logos are a gift and I don't want funding in return.
17:07:22 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> I am doing this to prove my priority and monivation to implove monero graphics where needed. Please respect this kind gesture.
17:25:25 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> plowsof: Your statement, pretty much qualifies as authoritative, in context of this discussion.
17:25:25 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> Again, I am kindly asking you provide reasonable response later in case you didn't have the time to evaluate those detailed proposals.
17:25:25 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> If you need more details, I will kindly provide those.
17:26:45 <plowsof> better uses of tokens at the moment 
17:26:49 <plowsof> thank you though
17:27:53 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> plowsof: I am not sure what this means. Can you explain please
17:32:59 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Apologies for missing the meeting. +1 from me for Anonero, and jberman (obviously)
17:33:48 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @user2570:unredacted.org: I'm sorry but you need to be an AI to understand
17:33:56 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I'm half clanker so I understand
17:36:34 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> I just dont get why the need to mention AI tokens for evaluating 2 design proposals.
17:54:24 <br-m> <sneedlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20260424#c670184 in regards to CCS
18:00:08 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Thanks
18:00:20 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Sorry for being dumb, but what is the context of this?
18:01:15 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> In the nicest way possible, I don't quite remember mentioning it :))
18:02:48 <br-m> <sneedlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> ah in NWLB you said CSS is all broken
18:02:48 <br-m> <sneedlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> I thought you mean CCS, my bad :D
18:03:02 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Ah, I see
18:03:25 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> I was saying the CSS of the prediction market site was messed up
18:03:43 <br-m> <sneedlewoods_xmr:matrix.org> got it now
18:23:28 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> alas... will update the proposal to be frontend-focused whenever gitlab is back online > <ofrnxmr> The gist of that, is that minimal changes to the website (essentially a reskin to match beta.monerodevs.org styling) are accepted, but further changes (changing the backend, adjusting the UX, animations etc) are, at this time, not accepted
18:23:29 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> given the feedback, does this mean that the features we discussed in the last meeting (proposer history/funding types) not accepted too? purely visual upgrade?
23:30:05 <plowsof> https://web.archive.org/web/20260421034311/https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/ 
23:32:13 <plowsof> gitlab merge requests for those^  this is just "curl https ://web. archive. org/save/https:// anylinkhere" i forgot and should have done sooner :(