03:13:05 I am a Monero community user from China. I have great trust and respect for the Monero community, but the difficulty of purchasing and storing Monero in China is too high. I don't trust centralized exchanges like Binance, as they often embezzle users' assets. Could our Monero community develop or update a wallet that is easier [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/p-2UwoMLZXJ2NzZZ ] 03:18:38 Please do not overlook the Chinese market and Chinese users. We are also fighting for privacy and freedom. In the Monero community, we are compatriots in a free land 03:26:39 666 03:28:35 How did Monero surge to over $800 in January of this year? 03:28:43 @gug68hes:matrix.org: Big theft. 03:29:31 @daywei:matrix.org: I appreciate the concern. What's wrong with 'Cake Wallet' or the Monero wallets they offer on getmonero.org? 03:29:37 Are they blocked by Chinese ISPs? 03:29:59 You can also try atomic swaps on Eigenwallet or something 03:30:30 Cake and such for storing, that is. If you are able to buy Bitcoin or something similar, there are a myriad of swap services for XMR. 03:34:11 @neptunian:unredacted.org: Yes, it is blocked by China's local area network, which prevents many domestic users from purchasing and storing it. Here, only Tp wallet can be used, but it does not support us to purchase Monero. Moreover, they are a dictatorship, and our user rights are not guaranteed at all. I hope the commun [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/jqHiwoMLNTFUOVI4 ] 03:34:32 @daywei:matrix.org: Does torrenting, onion services, or P2P file transfer work? 03:35:01 http://monerotoruzizulg5ttgat2emf4d6fbmiea25detrmmy7erypseyteyd.onion/index.html 03:35:07 The getmonero.org onion service. 03:37:26 I would exchange. A small number of users and I use cake, but in our country, VPN usage is not allowed, and VPNs carry too much risk. Many users want to purchase them, but are blocked. I don't understand why TP wallet can be used without VPN, making it a dictator in our region 03:38:45 @daywei:matrix.org: So Tor isn't possible? 03:39:15 yes 03:39:34 Neither. 03:40:12 It's too bad that we even took legal risks when buying Monroe coins. 03:42:11 If you have Cake, that can work. I'm unaware of the risks associated with usage of VPNs or the Tor network. If we exclude those, things such as Bisq, THORChain (soon), and atomic swaps (like Eigenwallet) work as decentralised options. For centralised exchanges that I've seen many people trust, HoudiniSwap, ChangeNow, and SimpleSwap seem to be relatively fine. 03:44:38 Using VPN here is not allowed, and neither is using Tor. However, if we want to use Cake, we must purchase a VPN to access it. But using VPN brings legal risks and network latency 03:48:58 @daywei:matrix.org: If you have to use a VPN, I'd recommend Mullvad. 04:01:32 Hey, brother, what I want to express is that even if Monero is being suppressed, it can still have more liquidity. It's just that most users are blocked. Also, when you've lived here since childhood, you'll understand that Monero has entered my life like God. The place where we grew up may be very safe and happy, but what we l [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/tqrGw4MLaUJtX2pq ] 04:05:56 So what would you want happening with XMR? 04:05:58 This is very painful. I can't even voice my opinions because on the internet, when you harshly criticize corrupt bureaucrats, the messages you send will be blocked. Worse still, the police might come looking for you. I don't know if what I'm saying now is being monitored, but the reality is just so bad. I hope Monero is not ju [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/s9bWw4MLQWlkQ1Uw ] 04:09:21 It's now known to too few people, just like Bitcoin was back then. When it was more prosperous, more people would come to build for it, creating more ecosystems. I've never seen it as a token. It's more like a symbol of freedom. Brother, you don't live in my country. You can't imagine walking down the street in this society as a naked body 04:17:23 There should still be Chinese people on this channel. I don't know if they will accuse me of being unpatriotic, but I really hope our lives can become better, rather than living in fear and accusing government officials of inaction. When we have this right to privacy, we should all bravely speak out and say, "What you are doin [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/n7mAxIMLeVZwT293 ] 15:06:30 Made me even love China more 15:10:01 China being the greatest country in the world today probably already have their own version of Monero 🤣 15:14:38 Glory to CCP. What's their own version of Monero? WeChat? 15:19:55 > <@daywei:matrix.org> It's now known to too few people, just like Bitcoin was back then. When it was more prosperous, more people would come to build for it, creating more ecosystems. I've never seen it as a token. It's more like a symbol of freedom. Brother, you don't live in my country. You can't imagine walking down the street in this society as a naked body 15:19:55 hold local meetups like i do every week, ie: 15:19:55 https://beblurt.com/@kencode/crypto-meetup-tues-may-pm-eng-esp-1778792476308 15:19:55 15:19:56 monero is the way. i share monero with people all the time and here in mexico, people care a LOT about their privacy. so, it's the best way I have found to spread the word. all we're doing is having crypto meetups, but you can call your meetups whatever you like. privacy meetups, or digital lifestyle meetups, or whatever. hang [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/k9j61oMLWVBNa2pB ] 15:22:40 @siren:kernal.eu: CCP is far ahead of the Epstein regime. You should know better 15:23:16 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/qgnpbwHCTNhjTFcjbHUMJxor.png (Screenshot 2026-05-16 at 8.22.57 AM.png) 15:24:23 > <@daywei:matrix.org> There should still be Chinese people on this channel. I don't know if they will accuse me of being unpatriotic, but I really hope our lives can become better, rather than living in fear and accusing government officials of inaction. When we have this right to privacy, we should all bravely speak out [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/uoWL14MLSnlYYnJ4 ] 15:24:23 RE: "we should all bravely speak out and say, "What you are doing is wrong," instead of being afraid" 15:24:24 No need to fight the beast, or beg him to loosen your shackles. Render him obsolete. Do your best to stop using his construct completely (food, water, energy, currency). Use real, fungible money. Obviously XMR, but I like to barter as well, which helps others see how easy XMR is to use. I buy fruit trees and stuff with monero and then show them how to convert it to fiat when absolutely necessary. 15:24:40 njnini1k this is offtopic 15:25:37 Community meeting in 35mins: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1391 15:27:35 fresh snapshots of ideas using the internet archive and curl have been made 16:00:29 Meeting time: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1391 16:01:14 Hello. 16:01:17 Saluton. 16:01:22 hi 16:01:37 hi 16:01:43 hi 16:02:11 [CCS Proposals] SyntheticBird closed merge request #644: SyntheticBird Site and CCS UI/UX, Transitions & Animations work (4 months) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/644 16:03:21 hola :) 16:03:38 3. Community highlights 16:04:23 Bisq exploited, thorchain exploited, wagyu promoting themselves as decentralized 16:04:31 Hello 16:04:44 Allegedly wagyu was used at tge entrypoint for the thorchain exploit 16:05:19 Can somone share the link with logs of last meeting? 16:05:31 wagyu praised as the only decentralized swap protocol capable of pausing 16:05:35 new release or monero core https://www.getmonero.org/2026/05/11/monero-0.18.5.0-released.html or (beta site too https://beta.monerodevs.org/blog/2026/05/11/monero-GUI-0.18.5.0-released/) 16:05:40 of* 16:06:23 prev meeting begins here https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20260502#c672077 16:06:28 Did I just closed my CCS proposal in the middle of a meeting ? 16:06:55 User2570 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20260502#c672077 << the logs are there but not yet posted on the issue 16:06:57 lol forgot there was meeting today. 16:07:34 "wagyu praised as the only decentralized swap protocol capable of pausing" << bisq also paused the ability to trade 16:07:37 been there 16:07:43 And thorchain halted as well 16:08:47 hello 16:08:59 We had a nasty netsplit on beta stressnet due to an issue with stressnet-specific tweak to scaling parameters 16:11:27 basicswap and retoswap remain fully functional. Can see some rates across dexes at monero-orderbooks.com 16:11:47 #moneroswap:matrix.org also still in testing 16:12:31 news - [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [This week in Monero TWIM](https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero) 16:13:17 Anyone have any highlights theyd like to share before moving on to the CCS proposals? 16:14:26 Oh, i also want to mention that basicswap supports electrum wallets for btc and ltc now (so you dont have to sync those blockchains anymore) 16:14:53 4. CCS proposals 16:15:06 a. [MRL] Dennis Trautwein - [ProbeLab P2P Network Metrics Proposal](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/667) 16:16:22 M1 was largely nacked, but MRL wants community feedback on M2, so please review and comment on the proposal when you have time. You can also leave feedback in the MRL or MRL lounge channels 16:17:27 b. Marko Pohlo - [Cuprate Consensus-Rule Differential Fuzzing](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/676) 16:18:09 this is a new proposal, not yet shown on the ideas page (due to issues with the markdown file) 16:18:48 cc boog900 & syntheticbird. Could definitely use feedback from the cuprate team 16:19:02 MarkoPohlo isnt in this room on irc 16:19:57 c. mondetta - [monero.eco 2025-2026 compensation](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/660) 16:20:05 wait 16:20:08 ok 16:20:23 i think this "an exploratory 1 month-only deliverable to at least get structured cargo-fuzz targets over consensus rules wired into CI (plus the beginning of a grammar that's reusable for FCMP++ when that lands)." as he mentioned in the prev cuprate meeting. 16:20:52 funding for fuzzing on monero core seems to have stalled https://donate.magicgrants.org/monero/projects/fuzzing-monero-2 16:21:27 They have discussed several times with us and in two cuprate meetings so you can find boog900 opinion there. I haven't expressed a lot but right now personally I'm fine with the approach, but I think there is room for mistakes. So for me the quality and soudness of this CCS proposal is entirely based on Runtime Verification team. 16:22:28 They have already listed prior work, I think it will be fine, but I keep a little worry because its currently so tricky. 16:22:40 would be good (for the record) if boog can restate his opinions (or link to logs) in a gitlab comment 16:22:58 ofrnxmr: I will report in a moment 16:24:07 prev cuprate meeting here https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1383 for the logs 16:24:51 also https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1379 16:25:47 Ok, we'll move on for now and get back to mondetta at the end 16:25:51 d. ashishb1052002 - [AirGap wallet - integrate Monero](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/672) 16:29:13 I thumb'd down afrer they doubled the rates after they were asked to use URQR (compliant with cupcake, anonero, feather) 16:29:13 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/672/diffs?commit_id=5d3219db4d72f21debf5365084b375b9f146c94c 16:30:16 R4v3r, myself and plowsof are the only ones to leave any feedback. Anyone else have an opinion? 16:30:33 — 16:30:35 Merge, close, more time, abstain? 16:30:45 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: this can be done via bounties 16:30:46 nobodys asked for airigap support this entire time 16:31:27 That might be a good idea 16:31:58 anonero can handle it via bounty after the continued dev ccs 16:32:09 this proposal is sus af, so much chatgpt 16:32:35 Next up, we have the pioneer lf the URQR air gapped flow: anonero 16:32:52 e. r4v3r23 - [ANONERO Continued development](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/671) 16:32:57 guaranteed 20 hours a week, so this CCS will be 6 months max 16:33:07 ideally aiming for 4 16:33:49 The AirGap thing is clearly prompted and a cash grab. There's no reason we should be funding this; obvious NACK 16:34:23 The most eggregious is the doubling of requested funds 3.5mins after asking them tk be compliant 16:34:37 yh not a good look at all 16:34:47 They didnt even take any time to looi into workload before hiking the rates 16:35:22 ofrnxmr: obvious scam. anonero will offer to do it for original price just to get this proposal closed 16:36:12 or setup a bounty and just leave it at that 16:36:15 Id prefer it not be done at all, atp. Been a long time since i looked into the wallet (mayne 3 or 4 years), but it wasnt "good" then 16:36:24 Anyway. Anonero 16:36:35 ofrnxmr: I haven't checked anonero proposal, had no time 16:36:45 ^^^ > <@r4v3r23> guaranteed 20 hours a week, so this CCS will be 6 months max 16:37:03 prev. anonero update mentions a new dev https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/447#note_36071 16:37:41 whos been doing great work for the past couple of months, all the latest commits under ANONERO are by them 16:37:51 Im probably a +1 on anonero. The prior ccs was successful (and had a new dev for it). Need to relook over the milestones etc. R4v3r is the git still at the same place? 16:38:04 same yes git.anonero.io 16:38:08 the prior ccs is the same dev ofrnxmr? 16:38:28 No, but was a new dev at the time 16:38:31 prior dev was unreliable and disappeared for months at a time 16:38:37 @ofrnxmr: correct 16:38:49 or the new dev on a ccs set a good example? 16:39:04 and new dev was able to identify and fix lingering bugs that prev dev couldnt 16:39:17 plowsof: its not a new project 16:39:26 and that means that no one new can ever open a ccs 16:40:14 how old is the new dev again, you mention months now 16:41:14 does the new dev have direct push rights to the repo? who reviews their work? what team remains? 16:41:17 in contact since the start of new year 16:42:03 plowsof: code is owned by anonero and published as patches under project name 16:42:19 they have been given access to the projects account? 16:42:24 anonero was always a one dev project 16:42:27 plowsof: no 16:42:41 they provided patches which are applied 16:42:56 anyway this is really nitpicking 16:43:54 their work is solid and reliability/speed is refreshing, plans are solid and ready to be put into action 16:45:14 @ofrnxmr: Same, +1 16:45:45 Moving on 16:45:48 f. redsh4de - [CCS Frontend Redesign](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/641) 16:46:29 This was update to be frontend-only, focused on bringing styling in line with the new getmonero redesign (beta.monerodevs.org) 16:46:31 removed backend and adjusted sum accordingly after Core feedback 16:47:13 what files will the front end read from the legacy backend 16:48:22 the json files like the current one, i hope we would be able to add some of the UX improvements later on after the base is done - but for MVP i aim to make it 1:1 16:48:34 which ones? 16:49:49 dont remember the full URL as i havent worked on this for a bit, but there was proposals.json off the top of my head 16:50:35 where will the front end run? 16:50:48 relative to the back end + gitlab 16:51:36 probably will host on vercel to start with like i did the beta site 16:51:40 the front end is astro npm 800 deps and will be running live 16:51:52 how will production look like? you mention securiyt improvements in your proposal 16:53:09 There are 800 NPM dependencies? 16:53:21 That's impossible. 16:53:21 On beta getmonero site, there are a lot 16:53:59 plowsof: for production, a static page rebuild every X minutes, i dont think hosting a SSR page is acceptable. if possible id prefer to trigger rebuilds via webhook whenever merge requests are updated, otherwise just a cronjob 16:54:02 for the beta site - we can push a static zip with "deterministic" (best effort) hash https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/2654 16:54:40 msvb-lab: not THAT much but yeah 16:54:42 npm is less of a concern on new getmonero for that reason, just food for thought 16:54:50 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/beta/pnpm-lock.yaml < msvb 16:56:22 Running out of time, we can continue after the hour 16:56:34 h. jberman - [full-time development (4 months)](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/674) 16:57:10 I think this is just waiting on merge? 16:57:18 (it was brand new last time) 16:57:41 the current front end of site is not a static site and updated via cron, and depending on deployment would be tied to the same drive as the back end (unless some networked push / rsync is set up) - 16:58:18 so its not a huge regression. just wondering about security 16:58:53 well, for supply chain attacks i think we can definitely pin dependencies in order to avoid the recent messes we saw in the npm eco 16:59:31 updated via cron / --tx-notify* 16:59:41 if we use the latest pnpm for example, that also has some quarantine feature to avoid against that. Dockerizing builds like we do on monero-site-beta, there are a good amount of layers we can do 16:59:52 In latest fireship video (basically the bible for js devs) he show a feature of pnpm that enable minimum age of release before updating. 17:00:26 yep, i dont remember the flag name but it sets it by default to 1440 17:00:38 the front end should be running its own monero-wallet-rpc as a best effort to guard against the "back end" being backdoored . ensure each wallet in the json file belongs to the ccs wallet. afaict this is not implemented but is a simple addition and a + 17:01:12 rsync (or what ever flavour of the month network pushing is secure) would update json files on disk 17:01:43 a file watch thing can detect updates* sorry for going over on this 17:02:30 or the front ends own monero-wallet-rpc can run a --tx-notify to refresh the fr page , or are we pretending that the front end isnt a back end and will cahrge more moneys :D 17:03:18 jbermans waiting for merge yes 17:03:45 redshade if yo ucould consider my points and leave a comment or an update that would be great 17:03:48 > the front end should be running its own monero-wallet-rpc as a best effort to guard against the "back end" being backdoored . ensure each wallet in the json file belongs to the ccs wallet. afaict this is not implemented but is a simple addition and a + 17:03:48 yeah i think that should be doable, but i guess if the frontend would be running something, it would have to be server-side rendered and cant be static anymore :P 17:03:48 but it would give us a lot more flexibility if its SSR and there wont be an issue with it 17:04:40 for sure, will dive back into the CCS page over the next week 17:04:56 i. [MRL] CjS77 - [Grease Payment Channels -- production implementation and SDK](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/651) 17:05:20 Plowsof, i wasnt paying attn to the mrl discussions about this. Just noticed that it isnt on agenda anymore 17:05:51 Is this a close / revisit in the future? 17:06:33 MRL not pushing for this to be merged at this time 17:06:50 Thanks 17:07:02 And user2570, are you ready now? 17:08:38 Ok, we can end the meeting here 17:09:37 Next meeting here in 2 weeks - Saturday May 30, 2026, 1600 UTC 17:10:07 Thanks everyone 17:10:17 Thanks 17:10:20 thank you 17:10:40 hey 17:10:42 yes 17:10:48 I am here 17:11:11 here is the report sorry for the delay 17:11:42 ofrnxmr Please postpone monero.eco CCS proposal discussion again. 17:11:42 Unfortunately I had no time time to properly correct my monero.eco CCS propsal again. 17:11:42 Last I wanted to prioritize following things:[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/4I2U2oMLd1E1WUxp ] 17:11:43 r4v3r23 is the 6 or 4 months estimation in the proposal text currently? 17:12:24 plowsof: its not, add it in title or body 17:13:02 what kind of wording do you suggest 17:13:40 Good meeting, dankon and see you next time. 17:15:44 "* Waiting for plowsof to evaluate two logo proposals, which have been independently approved by 5 MDC Designers. Detailed explanation of design choices can be provided if needed." im not a logo evaluator 17:16:51 plowsof: Well, who should I contatct for approval? 17:18:28 you mentioned them being gifts so or are they part of your proposal 17:18:39 plowsof: I assumed you needed more time because busy with repo.getmonero.org . 17:19:27 plowsof: No these two are exclusive gifts to prove my motivation and priority 17:20:11 the new bounties website logo could be a theif carrying a sack on his shoulder with LLM tokens falling out of it 17:23:16 reg the ccs logo, i thought the lightbulb @ https://ccs.getmonero.org/ was the "new" one? the piggy does seem more fitting to the general fund rather than a CCS where funds are flowing in as fast as they are flowing out ideally as projects complete 17:24:21 proposals can be updated on gitlab at any time and feedback can be requested here / anywhere alos 17:24:24 also* 17:26:06 I personaly and other designers had no such associations / concerns. Otherwise these concerns would be stated in logo discussions. The bag of coins / money / funds is a popular symbol associated ith Bounties. > the new bounties website logo could be a theif carrying a sack on his shoulder with LLM tokens falling out of it 17:26:09 Yes the lightbulb is the new and most voted (5 votes) for CCS 17:26:22 hbs is this hallucinated https://github.com/athanorlabs/atomic-swap/issues/514 17:26:54 user2570 sorry, ignore my feedback. i will not speak on logos again, thanks. 17:27:19 plowsof: Well how would I know? 17:27:44 start a ccs for hundreads of thousands for audits like i predicted 17:28:30 plowsof: I am confused, do you think this issue was open on the code I wrote? 17:29:04 Can you please guide me how to proceed with these 2 logo proposals. > proposals can be updated on gitlab at any time and feedback can be requested here / anywhere alos 17:29:04 Should I create a merge request somewhere? 17:29:04 Should I contact someone else? 17:29:24 hundreds* eh 17:30:23 hbs what was the issue that was found or have details not been released 17:31:45 plowsof: The issue I found in that implementation was related to EIP-7702, I guess GPT-5.5 still needs to work :-) 17:32:28 I reported it to dimalinux but haven't heard back 17:32:55 abandoned protocol? 17:33:34

I still need to look at those pieces from that one thing, my b 17:33:43 plowsof: That would be my guess, the project is marked as in maintenance mode on github, and there were no recent swaps 17:35:02 @hbs:matrix.org: Even though some website (scammy?) advertised they use that protocol -> https://www.atomicmonero.com/ (doesn't seem up anymore) 17:36:16

On a real note should some one local host the docs website? 17:38:28 ? 17:38:38 stefan 17:38:47

We were discussing this yesterday? 17:39:06 What 17:39:28

The github problem. Is this innapropriate timing? 17:39:50

Ofr 17:40:30 @that-guy123:fedora.im: No 17:40:37 What github problem? 17:40:56 #monero-docs:monero.social ? unable to run it locally? 17:41:00

People were saying they were having problems and someone got removed 17:41:10

Ill do it rn 17:42:06 Jpk's fhe only one to get removed, but there have been a few ppl who were shadowbanned & unable to have their comments or issues visible on their new accounts 17:42:07

Just wondering, its just a group chat. No probs/worries 17:42:40 oh sorry 17:42:42

Yes shadow banned. If they are legit with the group that unnacceptable. U know? 17:43:04 jpk wasnt shadowbanned 17:43:26

Well just future things to think about ig 17:44:07