13:30:02 <br-m> <this-is-war:matrix.org> seems like my actual rapist is still out here trying to rape others, and is still being allowed to do so:
13:30:02 <br-m> <this-is-war:matrix.org> https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/Monero/comments/1trqkpv/i_want_to_get_some_monero/
13:30:02 <br-m> <this-is-war:matrix.org> context: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20260515
13:30:02 <br-m> <this-is-war:matrix.org> [... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/yZrMlIgLYXE0OUty ]
13:34:28 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh look, its kitty
13:39:07 <br-m> <this-is-war:matrix.org> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXsQbKQyfFA
13:45:33 <br-m> <plowsof:matrix.org> the allark spammer is banned from r/monero, peace has been restored 
14:49:22 <br-m> <siren:kernal.eu> https://www.rastersec.com/blog/exolix-swapper-dump
15:02:41 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Community meeting in 58mins: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1398
15:15:40 <selsta> siren: lol these chat logs are infuriating
15:57:39 <nioc> They are a sponsor of monerokon and will be speaking  0_o
15:58:56 <n1oc> [CCS Proposals] selsta opened merge request #680: selsta part-time monero development (3 months) (21) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/680
16:00:52 <plowsof> hello world
16:01:34 <br-m> <markopohlo:matrix.org> Hey everyone
16:01:43 <br-m> <syntheticbird> Hello
16:01:44 <br-m> <user2570:unredacted.org> hello
16:02:11 <ofrnxmr> Meeting time: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1398
16:02:15 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> Hello goyim
16:02:34 <ofrnxmr> Mav, please
16:02:58 <br-m> <r4v3r23> hey
16:04:00 <br-m> <michael> Hello.
16:05:21 <ofrnxmr> 3. Community highlights
16:06:27 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Monerokon is next weekend https://www.monerokon.org
16:06:56 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> In Warsaw, Poland
16:07:00 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: The shooting range is hype
16:08:41 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I shared the other day, but to repeat:
16:08:41 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> BasicSwap is presenting at MK26
16:08:41 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "Monero atomic swaps on a phone"[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/j7mRmYgLVU9VLW9Q ]
16:09:13 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Retoswap, bisq, and eigenwallet are all back online.
16:11:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Basicswap had some additional hardening done as well to avoid such things as accepting a swap where the fees are too low to be confirmed in a reasonable time. again, bsx doesnt require btc or ltc nodes anymore, so setup is much easier
16:11:30 <ofrnxmr> Anyone else?
16:11:58 <plowsof> https://github.com/seraphis-migration/monero/releases FCMP++ & Carrot beta stressnet v2.0 Pre-release
16:12:07 <plowsof> also July 1st
16:13:05 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah. Would be nice to have as many people as possible running the stressnet
16:13:19 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Hello
16:14:05 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You can use --proxy=127.0.0.1:9050 with tor, if you dont want your ip address on the network. Best ti test everything, including how the network behaved over tor
16:14:47 <br-m> <r4v3r23> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: ill try to get this running on android asap
16:14:59 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: What's july 1st?
16:15:41 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Also would be great to have some "third party" wallet do a build with fcmp. cc @anon_contributor_xmr:monero.social  @anhdres:matrix.org
16:16:09 <ofrnxmr> News: [Revuo Monero](https://revuo-xmr.com/) - [This week in Monero TWIM](https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero)
16:16:54 <ofrnxmr> If nobody else has any community highlights to share, we can move on to the CCS proposals
16:17:31 <ofrnxmr> 4. CCS proposals
16:17:47 <ofrnxmr> a. [MRL] Dennis Trautwein - [ProbeLab P2P Network Metrics Proposal](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/667)
16:19:14 <ofrnxmr> This was updated to remove the first milestone (dashboard) and to become more of a research CCS with the target on spy nodes and network topology. It needs feedback. I implore everyone here to please be active either in this chat, or on github
16:19:48 <ofrnxmr> gitlab*
16:20:23 <br-m> <syntheticbird> need a price update
16:20:45 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I personally don't have any comments on the updated proposal as of yet. Cc @sgp_:monero.social  to also take another look
16:21:04 <br-m> <syntheticbird> otherwise i'm for this endeavor
16:21:05 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: Fcmp++ update = bullrun
16:21:09 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I HATE MATRIX LAGGING
16:21:31 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The lag is terrible and noticable on irc as well
16:21:40 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> @moneromavrick:matrix.org: (If it comes out soon and doesnt get delayed again🤪)
16:22:11 <ofrnxmr> b. Marko Pohlo - [Cuprate Consensus-Rule Differential Fuzzing](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/676)
16:22:47 <br-m> <markopohlo:matrix.org> Would appreciate any feedback on this
16:23:26 <br-m> <syntheticbird> You were sure awaiting this meeting for feedback
16:23:42 <ofrnxmr> > You have to drum up support for your proposal during the first two stages. Do not expect others (especially the Core Team or other trusted members of the community) to do it for you. Others may share and support if they are excited about your project, but ultimately it is nobody's responsibility but your own.
16:24:05 <ofrnxmr> We need more of this
16:24:23 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: Dumbing it down helps people on X promote it and bring support tbh
16:24:36 <br-m> <bawdyanarchist:matrix.org> you coming nga? > <@moneromavrick:matrix.org> The shooting range is hype
16:25:20 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: Dont tempt me broskie, if gambling was there id buy a flight with xmr immediately
16:25:38 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> Shooting range got me ready to finally go to an event, couldnt handle only nerd stuff
16:25:50 <ofrnxmr> Bawdy, mav - the topic is currently marko's proposal
16:26:00 <br-m> <markopohlo:matrix.org> Got it, we'll spread the news throughout our network and on X in that case, if there isn't any specific feedback from the Monero contributors community at this moment!
16:26:19 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> @markopohlo:matrix.org: I can promote it on my X if you can dumb it down for me @XMRVoid
16:26:35 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: My bad
16:26:37 <ofrnxmr> marko, thank you. Even if you can get support from other devs or researchers etc
16:26:43 <br-m> <markopohlo:matrix.org> @moneromavrick:matrix.org: Will keep that in mind! Appreciate it
16:26:58 <br-m> <syntheticbird> As I said previously I'm bugged with the approach but more because of a lack of specification and extracted reference code that could permit such harness. Because of that I am afraid this will be hard to get correct, but RuntimeVerification have a track record as I understand it. So that is ok for me, but I think the price is too high
16:27:02 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> @moneromavrick:matrix.org: You might want to consider whether or not you actually support the proposal before promoting it
16:27:25 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> @jpk68:matrix.org: Yuh, hence why i said dumb it down
16:27:27 <br-m> <markopohlo:matrix.org> I'll ask the lead fuzzing engineer to help me dumb it down, there's a high value to this type of work, but it's highly technical at the same time.
16:27:29 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah. We dont want noise as support
16:28:00 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I promote what i understand, lots of nerd talk goes over head
16:29:04 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats one of the issues with technical proposals. They need ACKs from people who actually understand the work
16:29:35 <br-m> <markopohlo:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: Got it, we lowered the weekly rate it takes for our engineer to complete this type of work to below cost basically, but also wanted to be as transparent as possible with the community. But I'll take that feedback to the team!
16:29:38 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The next proposal on the list is an example of such
16:29:46 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: In this case monero tech meeting could be adequate ?
16:30:00 <ofrnxmr> yeah
16:30:21 <ofrnxmr> c. SyntheticBird - [Cuprate Address Book, Reproducible Build and Supply Chain Security 3 months](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/678)
16:30:55 <br-m> <syntheticbird> its me
16:30:59 <br-m> <syntheticbird> 2 more weeks before beta guys
16:31:11 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> +1
16:31:54 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: Anyone else hyped asf for this update
16:31:54 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> Glad its not being rushed tho, my entire networh is in xmr LMFAO
16:31:55 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @syntheticbird: this is a reference to the due to 2 weeks meme and this is not an engagement that Cuprate 0.1.0 will be released in 2 weeks. 
16:32:03 <ofrnxmr> tobtoht, our resident build systems expert, commented in suppoet of the proposal. Such is an example of weighted support
16:33:51 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Effort put into supply chain security (especially for a Rust project) is very worthwhile IMO
16:33:55 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> To be clear, I'm not a security or build systems expert
16:35:38 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> lgtm, i think.
16:36:29 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> wondering if @markopohlo:matrix.org  has a view on this?
16:37:20 <ofrnxmr> moving onto the next proposal: d. r4v3r23 - [ANONERO Continued development](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/671)
16:37:51 <br-m> <r4v3r23> looked into the 3 month option since it was brought up in a previous meeting, and heres what it looks like:
16:37:51 <br-m> <r4v3r23> full time rate bumps up to $60/h: at current prices plus buffer the total is ~88 XMR
16:37:51 <br-m> <r4v3r23> ideally we go this route, since its faster, more dedicated/focused work, and guarantees all 3 milestones will be completed in 3 months[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/m5z8mYgLcGRCdXNU ]
16:37:52 <ofrnxmr> I believe some changes were made followinf the previous meeting to address some of @plowsof's concerns
16:38:35 <ofrnxmr> ((lag))
16:39:01 <br-m> <syntheticbird> +1 for me
16:39:19 <ofrnxmr> +1 to what? as-is (6 months) or the prooosed 3 months?
16:39:27 <br-m> <r4v3r23> ofrnxmr: yeah, we can go the 3 month route, id actually prefer that
16:39:48 <br-m> <r4v3r23> can guarantee a "due by" date that way
16:39:53 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> I would have to say I support this in general as well. No such thing as too many Android wallets ;)
16:41:52 <br-m> <r4v3r23> @r4v3r23: unless theres any complaints, ill update the proposal today
16:42:31 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Before(current): 45/hr, 69.9xmr total (23.3 per milestone)
16:42:31 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> After: 60/hr, 88xmr (~29.3 per milestone)
16:42:51 <br-m> <syntheticbird> money inflates with heat
16:43:04 <br-m> <r4v3r23> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: part time 20hr/week was 45
16:43:07 <br-m> <syntheticbird> stay hydrated people
16:43:13 <br-m> <r4v3r23> 60 is the full time/ 40hr a week rate
16:44:14 <ofrnxmr> For people voting yes, which path are you voting yes on?
16:44:26 <br-m> <syntheticbird> year
16:44:59 <br-m> <syntheticbird> r4v3r23 has been there for a lot of time and is likely an agency asset spying on us all
16:45:05 <br-m> <syntheticbird> I MEANT NOT
16:45:15 <br-m> <r4v3r23> @syntheticbird: correct
16:45:20 <br-m> <r4v3r23> by forcing you all to use tor
16:45:30 <br-m> <r4v3r23> BUSTED
16:45:43 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> ofrnxmr: No preference
16:45:58 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @r4v3r23: honesty is the path to redemption. I pardon you 👍️
16:46:15 <ofrnxmr> plowsof, thoughts on suggested changes?
16:47:58 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I personally would probably say to stick with the more generous 6 month timeline and avoid issues with delivery delay / complaints etc. Also since changing again might just delay the process
16:48:35 <br-m> <r4v3r23> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: that wont be an issue. dealing with an actual professional this time around
16:49:12 <br-m> <r4v3r23> and 6 months doesnt mean no delay, it just spreads everything out more
16:49:23 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But its gone from 1 year -> 6 months -> 3 months :P
16:49:37 <br-m> <r4v3r23> well 1 year was overly cautious because of last time
16:49:45 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @r4v3r23: Theres nothing wrong with finishing early
16:49:55 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Truth nuke
16:50:51 <br-m> <syntheticbird> blursed reaction
16:51:24 <br-m> <r4v3r23> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: true. but if 3 months is the norm as suggested, those are the changes
16:52:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 3 months is the norm for core devs that are working on time-based proposals
16:52:43 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I wouldnt say its the norm in general
16:52:55 <br-m> <r4v3r23> the only thing id say is, going for the 3 months gives possibility of extra funds for continued maintance and give the project a little more run way in terms of support
16:53:09 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> 2 more proposals to go, then we can swing back
16:53:19 <ofrnxmr> e. redsh4de - [CCS Frontend Redesign](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/641)
16:53:30 <br-m> <r4v3r23> so id appreciate that in terms of keeping the project alive
16:53:42 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> Oooo redesign?
16:53:45 <br-m> <syntheticbird> if this isn't merged i'll cut my water bottle in half and suicide my electronics
16:53:47 <ofrnxmr> I think this one is just awaiting merge
16:54:08 <br-m> <syntheticbird> yes
16:54:16 <ofrnxmr> @mav this is to bring the ccs website design inline with beta.monerodevs.org
16:54:58 <br-m> <pw:xmr.mx> new site looks nice
16:55:14 <br-m> <syntheticbird> bro is one year late
16:55:17 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Does the current CCS site require client-side JS? I can't remember
16:55:21 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> @pw:xmr.mx: Anything will look better than getmonero right now
16:55:23 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No
16:55:34 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No js shipped
16:55:45 <br-m> <r4v3r23> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: based tbh
16:55:53 <br-m> <syntheticbird> hold on
16:55:55 <br-m> <syntheticbird> amend that
16:56:08 <br-m> <syntheticbird> after stable release there will be a PR for optional light/dark toggle with optional js
16:56:27 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> A pr :P that might not be accepted
16:56:47 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I think red also did one for beta website, but it wasnt shipped/added
16:56:49 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 10 claude token that it get merge
16:56:57 <ofrnxmr> Ok, saved the best for last
16:57:01 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> How about no JS at all :_
16:57:13 <ofrnxmr> there is no js at all, currently
16:57:16 <ofrnxmr> f. Selsta - [part-time monero development, 3 months](https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/680)     
16:57:20 <br-m> <syntheticbird> +1
16:57:21 <br-m> <syntheticbird> +1
16:57:23 <br-m> <syntheticbird> +1
16:57:24 <br-m> <syntheticbird> +1
16:57:25 <ofrnxmr> +2
16:57:35 <br-m> <syntheticbird> MMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
16:57:38 <br-m> <r4v3r23> x3
16:57:49 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Obvious +1
16:57:50 <selsta> so i thought about doing full time for the next 3 months due to extra h1 load and v0.19 branch
16:58:46 <selsta> last 3 months was crazy with hackerone submissions, though it seems to be slowing down again
16:59:03 <br-m> <aillia:matrix.org> Is the image final, or is it a placeholder? (I'm just not a big fan of women with six fingers))) https://beta.monerodevs.org/_astro/landing.U9LvvXnN_D2JVt.avif
16:59:24 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @aillia:matrix.org: all lifeform accepted onboard
16:59:27 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I read "fat women with six fingers"
16:59:57 <br-m> <syntheticbird> selsta: nice of you
17:00:00 <br-m> <syntheticbird> selsta
17:00:11 <br-m> <aillia:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: this too
17:00:12 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @aillia:matrix.org: nothing is final. Will ping @diego:cypherstack.com  to fix her
17:00:14 <br-m> <syntheticbird> will hackerone fixes be ever declassified
17:00:27 <br-m> <syntheticbird> i know its hard for the Monero empire as this is a matter of national security
17:00:43 <selsta> yes, once there was some time for people to update
17:00:51 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: They're not fit for human consumption
17:01:09 <br-m> <syntheticbird> ack.
17:01:11 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @aillia:matrix.org: Lmao haha
17:02:26 <ofrnxmr> So selsta, does this mean that you might modify your proposal still?
17:02:33 <selsta> i will decide later today
17:02:41 <ofrnxmr> Ok thanks
17:03:08 <selsta> i don't want to do full time in the summer but i think there will be extra work load compared to normal which i'll have to do anyway so i might just modify the proposal
17:04:45 <ofrnxmr> Sounds good
17:05:04 <ofrnxmr> Next meeting: saturday june 13th
17:05:09 <ofrnxmr> 1600 utc
17:06:01 <ofrnxmr> Can end the meeting here. Feel free to keep discussing
17:06:08 <br-m> <r4v3r23> ACK on this? > <@r4v3r23> looked into the 3 month option since it was brought up in a previous meeting, and heres what it looks like:
17:06:34 <br-m> <r4v3r23> are there any objections
17:06:57 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> jpk said no preference, i think syn preferred as-is(?). Not sure what plowsof's take is
17:07:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Other who gave greetings at start of meeting have been quiet :(
17:08:26 <br-m> <r4v3r23> if theres no clear objections, im gonna update the proposal
17:08:40 <br-m> <syntheticbird> yeah i'm fine as is
17:08:50 <br-m> <r4v3r23> worst case is theres a little xmr left over to keep the lights on
17:09:37 <br-m> <r4v3r23> @syntheticbird: ok but do you object to 3 month change
17:14:31 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> yep, i can PR it but… contentious lol > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I think red also did one for beta website, but it wasnt shipped/added
17:17:11 <br-m> <redsh4de:matrix.org> plus would break CI as it is rn (hates all client side JS)
17:19:20 <br-m> <syntheticbird> @r4v3r23: no
17:22:52 <msvb-lab> I think my Matrix messages were never sent, anyway I got most of the meeting messages at least half. Seems like something is wrong with the bridge.
17:23:13 <msvb-lab> My last message was 'Dankon for the good meeting.'
17:35:31 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Yeah, matrix was acting up today
17:48:10 <br-m> <r4v3r23> @syntheticbird: thanks. @ofrnxmr:monero.social updating the proposal
17:51:09 <br-m> <diego:cypherstack.com> lmao > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> nothing is final. Will ping @diego:cypherstack.com  to fix her
17:51:17 <br-m> <diego:cypherstack.com> I'll ask Andres what happened there
17:58:05 <br-m> <aillia:matrix.org> the good old prehistoric AI days of six-fingered people, lol )))
18:23:57 <br-m> <pw:xmr.mx> not as good as 3 boobs
18:47:05 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> @diego:cypherstack.com: AI lol
18:47:23 <br-m> <moneromavrick:matrix.org> “Claude remake it with 5 fingers. Make no mistakes”
18:54:27 <br-m> <diego:cypherstack.com> @moneromavrick:matrix.org: Isn't. Andres draws by hand.
18:54:32 <br-m> <diego:cypherstack.com> Allegedly. :P
18:56:37 <br-m> <diego:cypherstack.com> @pw:xmr.mx: I'll make the request.
21:37:04 <selsta> I changed my CCS for full time for the next 3 months, will likely go back to 30h / week after that until we get closer to FCMP++ release
21:37:09 <selsta> ofrnxmr ^
21:42:42 <br-m> <r4v3r23> i also updated my CCS for full time (40h/week, 3 months)