00:25:41 <321bob321> i still have that post archived lol 01:05:56 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 6.5k 01:06:03 You need to wrap em or present em nicely 12:14:08 how many hours till the meeting? Want to make sure nobody gets confused by the time zones 12:14:16 (Including me) 12:17:05 3hrs and 44mi3 12:17:22 3 hrs and 43 min 12:17:36 aka 1600 UTC 12:18:02 1600 is from the meta 14:29:44 Hey! I have to go out around the time of the meeting. Please someone ping me at the vote. Thanks 🙏 14:36:17 Should be around 1630 14:36:31 Hopefully 15:01:12 PSA in about 1hr there's a community meeting at #monero-community to discuss many things Monerokon, some info at https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1417 15:04:35 Is it there any requirement to vote? 15:04:35 Like, have a verified social media or something like that? 15:06:15 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: We kno u 15:06:30 👀 15:07:14 If the vote is raided by never-before-seen day-old handles, we may verify, deweight, or exclude 15:07:35 Excellent, thanks for letting me know! 15:07:54 Iirc, kon workgroup already has a more strict written policy 15:13:37 is this the monero community chat ? I can't see the name 15:14:34 yes it is 15:14:35 Monero community workgroup 15:14:38 #monero:monero.social is the main Monero topic channel 15:14:55 #monero-offtopic:monero.social is off topic 15:26:59 Government ID should be required for the vote /s 15:27:35 Yes 15:27:45 Along with your primary wallet seed 15:29:26 And a copy of all your chats, unencrypted 15:30:53 @jpk68:matrix.org: It is 15:30:58 /s 15:45:24 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MCtfVZusDwbIqlLMmyArMQuz.png (Here’s my id, don’t ask for it later ) 15:45:37 @jpk68:matrix.org: Liberland ID works? 15:49:15 Tbh showing a past MK ticket should be more than enough. Otherwise people are in no business. 15:52:55 The IRC bridge is down. given the importance of the upcoming dicussion / vote I do not belive it is fair to expect all the participants to have to type on a phone with thier thumbs. Yes I do have Element for desktop on my laptop but still we should be encouraging community participation 15:53:32 IRC bridge looks up here 15:53:47 Again? I thought this was fixed 2 days ago. It was working yesterday. Why does it keep going down? 15:54:04 test post from IRC 15:54:33 Success 15:54:39 Great. It is working. now. Thanks 15:56:31 @articmine: fuck IRC we can't prove their identity 15:57:32 stnby ofc we can 15:58:35 from NicKServ: You are now identified for nioc 15:59:11 br-m> The IRC bridge is down. given the importance of the upcoming dicussion / vote I do not belive it is fair to expect all the participants to have to type on a phone with thier thumbs. Yes I do have Element for desktop on my laptop but still we should be encouraging community participation 15:59:32 the bridge is down? 15:59:47 it is up 15:59:50 I'm on IRC I think I can see matrix msgss 16:00:01 it is up 16:00:06 whoops 16:00:10 looks good from my end 16:00:19 It is up 16:00:33 Hi. 16:00:39 I've been taking notes for myself during the week and uploaded them here if someone wants to read: https://gist.github.com/anhdres/90a32c8ce3c68c3c3219e69aa586a766 16:00:43 @stnby:kernal.eu: I think people generally have a feel for the people we know vs those we dont. It'll be interesting to see if there is a divergence between known community members and the vegas/macau type characters 16:00:51 matix can be slightly delayed or more 16:00:53 hello all :) 16:00:54 But I think the community here is savvy enough to know the difference more or less 16:00:59 Meeting time: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1418 https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1417 16:01:09 they're by no means complete but if they help someone so be it 16:01:10 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/kernal.eu/bviauqFiAjUmMvogsyrvBmBG.jpg (Let the show begin) 16:01:12 <@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> 🍿 16:01:13 Yeah, you can easily spot the shit stirrers. :) 16:01:14 Greetings 16:01:28 hi 16:01:39 matrix bridge fine 👋 16:01:42 Hi from IRC 16:01:46 hi 16:01:51 Hi 16:01:52 hello 16:01:54 Hello 16:02:06 hello 16:02:09 hi 16:02:10 hi 16:02:19 Hi 16:02:32 Hi 16:02:36 hey! 16:02:38 Buenas tardes 16:02:41 hello 16:02:48 Hi 16:02:51 hi dee 16:03:09 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: buenass 16:03:11 Hi 16:03:14 hello 16:03:28 Howdy 16:03:28 So... we got together to say hi to each other for 5 minutes, or... 16:03:30 @anhdres:matrix.org: Hello!!! Andresitooo 16:03:32 Bunch of sexy Monero people here 16:03:33 ohai 16:03:36 hi 16:04:04 hey nioc been a minute! 16:04:10 Holy heck. 16:04:15 That's a username I haven't seen in ages! 16:04:15 Hi. 16:04:40 (taking attendence) 16:04:47 Agenda? 16:05:01 <@TheFuzzStone:matrix.org> Who is the moderator of the meeting? 16:05:06 Hey guys :) 16:05:10 @TheFuzzStone:matrix.org: should be plowsof 16:05:14 hello 16:05:14 imma gunna make a CCS to produce drama so we can get people to attend community meetings 16:05:23 nioc: Great idea! I'm in. 16:05:32 @siren:kernal.eu: ofrnxmr i belive 16:05:43 ofrnxmr is chairing this meeting(s) 16:05:46 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/kernal.eu/uQvSjctawwrnMbqlbHCdRLdR.png (image.png) 16:05:50 there are many joins 16:05:59 morning 16:06:07 Is the bridge up fr? 16:06:12 Matrix is getting IRC messages? 16:06:13 fuck yeah even better then 16:06:20 👋🏻 16:06:31 yes dukenukem 16:06:35 DataHoarder: thanks. ^_^ 16:06:37 hello 16:06:39 but not you 16:06:43 lol, nice. 16:06:46 that is weird, lemme check 16:06:54 Someone canceled me, obvs. 16:07:05 thanks everyone for joining. lets jump straight into CCS 16:07:06 one sec I'm checking the bridge, quick reboot 16:07:27 does that mean the bridge is down? test 16:08:14 can see your test from irc 16:08:20 i think bridge went down at datahoarders message? 16:08:24 test 16:08:25 @ctrej:matrix.org: X2 16:08:28 @ctrej:matrix.org: 16:08:34 ok. we're back 16:08:44 @siren:kernal.eu: i don't see many new people 16:08:44 say "rotten sucks" if you see this on matrix. 16:08:52 pc account, this is too important for phone posting 16:08:58 dukenukem: no idea, the bot is not getting your messages at IRC layer. 16:09:08 I unfortunately can't stay for the vote so I'd like to have CT vote on my behalf 16:09:10 DataHoarder: great deal. I am banned in the Matrix room, so whatever. 16:09:12 so libera is not sending them to the bot 16:09:18 I think my opinion on this is very clear in the GitHub issue. 16:09:24 That'll suffice. :) 16:09:29 i dont see your messages on matrix rotten 16:09:30 ddlud, morris and parasew are all riat members and verified real people 16:09:31 Have a nice meeting. Regards to the canceloors. 16:09:31 bridge will be left untouched ofrnxmr thanks for waiting. 16:09:51 @ctrej:matrix.org: they represent one org and get to have 3 votes 16:10:26 ccs: a. Koe - Research and Development, hardfork - https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/681 16:10:35 @siren:kernal.eu: They are individually part of the Monero community 16:10:40 just awaiting merge, i believe. cc plowsof 16:10:48 But at least one of them joined explicitly to vote here 16:10:53 (apparently) 16:11:03 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/IWYoUBkJyxTZTxrZkWYtIuBz.png (image.png) 16:11:15 @hbs:matrix.org: I have never seen them before. What are their contributions to the XMR community or their activity here? 16:11:25 @ctrej:matrix.org: confirm 16:11:54 yes, luigi was ready for merges but the gitlab was temp offline (back now) 16:12:05 ccs: b. [MRL] Dennis Trautwein - ProbeLab P2P Network Metrics Proposal - https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/667 16:12:07 @siren:kernal.eu: I hope that there are enough people today that no vote hinges on +- 1 person 16:12:11 @hbs:matrix.org: if they ever had a MK ticket :D This is about MoneroKon community 16:12:11 they have been involved in prior monerokons 16:12:30 awaiting feedback addressed 16:12:46 So we know morris? 16:13:13 who's morris? i dont have them on the list of attendees yet 16:13:23 @siren:kernal.eu: We rented equipment from them for mk25, and they went above and beyond with setup + teardown, not only for their equipment, but also for ours + furniture and stuff 16:13:28 @stnby:kernal.eu: They were at MK5, at their table close to the back of courtyard, you may even have talked to them! 16:14:02 @hbs:matrix.org: I wasnt at MK5 only MK3, MK4 and MK6 16:14:30 ok, we'll have time to focus on the monerokon stuff in just a few mins. lets get through the ccs list quickly 16:14:37 I attended and spoke at all the MKs 1-6 16:14:42 @stnby:kernal.eu: So maybe you shouldn't be allowed to vote? 16:14:59 Goat 16:15:19 it's a party in here today 🎉 16:15:23 folks, were not on the monerokon agenda item yet. please be a little bit patient so we can get there 16:15:31 @hbs:matrix.org: Maybe you shouldn't be. You're telling this to one of the people who set up your infra. 16:15:34 @hbs:matrix.org: But I was a sponsor for MK5 16:15:43 @ctrej:matrix.org: https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/xEKPTMItqqpgEOyZhoCGIdTV.png (image.png) 16:15:45 @stnby:kernal.eu: individually or as a company? 16:15:50 @ctrej:matrix.org: not cool parasew 16:15:50 ... 16:15:58 @siren:kernal.eu: srsly bro, wut? 16:16:02 @hbs:matrix.org: As Digilol 16:16:04 @articmine: if a monerokon doesn't have articmine, is it considered a monerokon? 16:16:18 ok. ill wait 16:16:25 @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: It was meant to be a joke I think 16:16:29 @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/wKtGLaaIVgoliuGfwvMFdHzV.png (image.png) 16:16:38 @ctrej:matrix.org: this is somewhat concerning tho 16:16:50 everyone is ignoring the moderator ofrnxmr :) 16:16:51 please stop derailing the meeting 16:16:52 anhdres: I'll be sure to add that condition to the framework 16:17:50 ccs: c. Sneedlewoods - part-time dev, q3 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/685 16:18:04 also awaiting merge 16:18:35 ccs: d. Vtnerd - full time dev, q3 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/687 16:18:57 not yet voted on 16:19:08 ajs-xmr: that would avoid simoultaneous mks 16:19:12 +1 16:19:20 merge 16:19:46 Yes on vtnerd and sneedle 16:19:58 please vote with a +1 or "merge" etc message, the emojis dont translate to the logs 16:20:09 +1 16:20:21 +1 16:20:30 +1 16:20:31 +1 16:20:41 +1 16:20:45 +1 16:20:52 +1 16:20:54 +1 koe and vtnerd 16:20:55 +1 16:20:57 +1 16:20:59 +1 16:21:01 +1 16:21:04 +1 16:21:09 +1 16:21:24 ccs: e. panagot12 Monero LWS Observatory — Public LWS Health Monitoring https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/686 16:21:57 +1 16:21:59 +1 on vtnerd 16:22:39 I might be wrong but e) reads a bit LLM generated (the whole proposal) 16:22:48 i dont think youre wrong 16:22:52 yes 16:23:42 ofrnxmr: -1? (no merge) 16:24:01 selsta: It does 16:24:04 its a new proposal. can revisit at the next meeting. if you think we should close, you can say close or -1. or merge / +1 16:24:06 Is that a 3000€ uptime kuma 16:24:11 yes 16:24:14 the "— " are pretty... telling xD 16:24:25 -1 16:24:42 revisit 16:24:52 @parasew:matrix.org: x2 16:25:01 If we can't do referral votes I am voting for orangefren now, I unfortunately can't stay any longer. Se ya 16:25:04 Even if. If the proposal is of value it shouldn't be a death sentence to use AI to help writing IMHO. I vote revisit anyway 16:25:22 revisit at the next meeting 16:25:27 ok thanks 16:25:50 @monerobull:matrix.org: Same 16:25:52 revisit is fine 16:25:56 ccs: g. r4v3r23 - ANONERO Continued development https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/671 16:25:57 binaryFate: Fable can code that for a $50 prompt. No need for 10 xmr 16:26:08 Sorry for the interruption, do we need to vote on all all propositions? Y/N/Abstain? 16:26:22 @bawdyanarchist:matrix.org: for ccs, no 16:26:58 monerobull: I was not judging that particular proposal, just making a general remark about the AI-assisted writing. 16:28:02 the controversy with anonero proposal, is that plowsof asked for access to make issues on the repo, and was not granted as much. an anonero fork was created that implemented (iiuc) all of the proposed features 16:29:01 so whether or not to have the work redone by the proposal (not accepting issues or PRs) is the main point of contention 16:30:02 while its not a hard rule, other ccs funded open source projects allow contributors to submit patches and issues on their repositories. anonero doesnt seem to do so 16:30:27 maybe revisit 16:30:48 ofrnxmr: That looks more like "source available" than "open source" to me 16:30:59 speaking of AI - the dev i have commissioned to complete anonero's CCS has done so in a few afternoons. i have been testing their app and uncovered a bunch of issues with the existing anonero app (and fixed) - they have now moved onto FCMP stressnet - completing the first (?) hot <> cold wallet transaction and are now integrating vtnerds lws fcmp 16:30:59 branch. testing the app also allowed me to discover a stressnet + monero/gui bug : https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/10901 and https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/pull/4645 16:31:03 not familiar with the history but it sounds very opposite to OSS practices and maybe even OSS ethic 16:31:03 I'll go no 16:31:03 -1 16:31:33 said anonero-fork https://codeberg.org/iuanv9/anonero-fork/releases 16:31:37 also imo seems a bit silly to fund yet another wallet, there is no shortage of wallets at this point... 16:32:01 @jwinterm:matrix.org: Agreed 16:33:02 the fork is also the first mobile wallet to be built against fcmp++ and send an fcmp++ transaction 16:33:20 ok. are we ready for the main event? 16:33:32 back in my days on anonero - after I left the project - all PRs I did open as open source contributions got ignored / closed unless someone else re-applied the patches so seems it’s still the same 16:34:25 cjan the cold wallet only displays the first destination on the confirmation screen - a malicious view wallet can drain it and you happily click confirm. 16:34:39 noticed after pay to many was added 16:35:30 Lets move on to the MoneroKon discussion 16:35:48 during last week’s MoneroKon meeting, I offered multiple proposals.. to continue under the association with a more formal governance structure or an LLC.. either under a self-funded model or a CCS-subsidized model. however, I lost the vote, 7-0-5. I conceded and congratulated OrangeFren on his win 16:35:56