03:14:28 w0t, how do you delete a message on irc 03:15:27

In regards to the research lab, what is the actual goal of the meetings? Just updating the community? 03:21:20 No 03:21:43 Seems like a silly question 03:21:49 ask duck.ai 03:48:00

I don't think it is. I read the last meeting's chat logs and it's basically developer meetings and discussing current branches/features that they're working on. Doesn't really relate to the community per se, more just the development cycle. No idea what duck.ai is, not sure I want to use it. 03:56:16 duck.ai is DuckDuckGo's free (ad-supported, I think) AI chat service. The models are pretty weak, but hey, it's free and can be used without an account (even on Tor). 03:57:09 Ah, nevermind, it's not ad-supported, it has a freemium model where you pay for better models. 03:58:15 You also have Lumo, which is Proton's AI offering. 04:19:58

Pretty sure it was shown that duckduckgo was sharing information with google a few years ago. Same thing with bing. It's just another front for data collection. 05:01:54 @horizon-foundry:matrix.org: All companies or startups that need to scale/grow WILL collect data, even when they say they won't. Same goes with e.g., VeniceAI who claim to be private yet raised another $25M recently... 05:03:05 They need the data to adapt and improve, there is no other way for them 05:03:58

RIght, but if your schtick is to be a privacy search engine and you're working in the background with the corporate scumsuckers, I don't think it's a good idea for anyone to suggest their services 05:04:22

Betrayal shouldn't be rewarded. 05:06:39 Yep, but unfortunately the public and common user don't know the difference between privacy by policy which can be broken any time by any employee with a company computer and privacy by hardware (e.g., TEE attested hardware). As long as it has some nice branding though... 🤷 05:08:42

Well, they spent billions on psychology research for advertising and marketing over the last 50 years, so they're going to milk all the cheap tricks until citizens figure it out. 06:15:44

Anyway, is anyone doing a business development group here or no? 06:23:28 @horizon-foundry:matrix.org: what kind of business development? 06:24:11

Creating supply chains that operate on crypto and smart contracts exclusively. 06:24:50

Socks, beans, pumps, engines, whatever. Is anyone creating the groundwork for it? 06:28:05 uhhhh kind of? though exclusively for electronic services, nothing physical like that 06:28:10 @horizon-foundry:matrix.org: now that i think of it i dont recall encountering some service that offers stuff like this for crypto 06:29:30

Well, if you want adoption, you have to sell what the majority of people use on a daily basis. Such is my opinion, anyway. 06:30:29 @horizon-foundry:matrix.org: true, whats stoppng you from doing it? 06:31:09

Customers, supply partners, and starting capital, for the most part. 06:33:09 @horizon-foundry:matrix.org: customers is probably the easiest to get of the 3, I think for supply partners either go with China which is reliable + cheap for the start, or do some dropshipping type shit which is kinda cringe but can probably work if its crypto-centered 06:33:16 starting capital is the biggest oof 06:33:52 but ngl im interested, though kind of in between 2 other things 06:34:20 are you based in the US? 06:36:24

I am. I have skills and equipment, so I can get some products out, but industrial scale would be difficult, and like I said, I don't necessarily have customers for the scale of products I could produce. 06:37:20

Of course, I have some ideas for edge/novel business applications, but it's mostly napkin drawings, so to speak. 06:38:07

Regardless, working together with people who already have the process figured out would be ideal, but if I have to arrange things myself, that's fine too. 10:53:39 [CCS Proposals] Boog 900 opened merge request #691: Boog900 Cuprate FCMP++ support (Rust Monero node). https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/691 12:26:26 n1oc: What is CCS? 12:26:57 @rene_guenon:matrix.org: Community Crowdfunding System. It is a getmonero.org platform for crowdfunding initiatives for Monero or its ecosystem. 12:27:22 https://ccs.getmonero.org/ 12:28:26 also n1oc is a bot that posts certain activity on the CCS 12:28:30 What are requirements to submit CCS? 12:28:59 see the link I provided 12:29:06 @rene_guenon:matrix.org: bribery 12:29:29 give me 50 xmr and I'll give you double in crowdfunding 12:29:38 works 99.9% of the time 12:30:10 just kidding its in the rule section on the CCS website 12:30:40 I will take a look at, thanks 😊 14:42:52 Don't kick me just here to learn 14:42:52 It feels like monero can't be used to accumulate wealth 14:42:52 I think It is a flatcoin 14:43:42 Monero is what btc was meant to be, private money 14:43:45 Some people love the price going up 14:43:51 Others don’t give fk 14:44:10 It won’t go to zero, won’t go to the moon 14:44:12 1xmr can get you the same things today that 1xmr in a month 14:44:21 P2P and circular economy! 14:45:47 not too long ago wen montero wuz ~250 people called it a stable coin 14:45:54 now itz 400 14:46:20 Montero, linda good song 14:46:23 Kinda* 14:46:28 but yeah it is not 10 years ago 14:49:59 the thing is you won't lose your wealth 14:50:17 the preceding is not financial advice 14:57:08 Inflation > now itz 400 14:57:42 Price of pasta just went up 25% overnight. Should have bought pasta stocks 14:58:05 I stocked up with many things in April 14:58:27 Which is a better name: Helioselene or Pasta Curves 14:58:34 you had to be blind not to see the few chair 14:59:18 I stocked up some cigarettes and monster energy drinks 14:59:41 Can’t be a Monero maxi without my stimulants, can’t allow inflation to fuck that up 15:00:27 What flavour? I have been enjoying Pipeline Punch 15:01:06 @jpk68:matrix.org: Monster zero, the og and mango loco! 15:01:06 Tried the Java ones, tasty but not commonly found here 15:01:26 And a nice Marlboro reds or with mint if I have to interact with humans. 15:03:10 Nice, I like the Java ones too :)) 15:03:32 @jpk68:matrix.org: Those are hard to beat 15:03:48 Just the flavor tho, caffeine do nothing to me :( 15:03:55 And oh boi, do I enjoy my drinks and coffee. 15:04:58 I guess every channel is off-topic nowadays lol 15:05:22 (Sorry, I always forget) 15:05:34 not only you :) 15:12:46 Not true as price stayed the same > <@slowbeardigger:matrix.org> 1xmr can get you the same things today that 1xmr in a month 15:14:06 Also isn't lightning better as it's encryption / onion routing 15:14:52 You’re talking about btc? 15:15:01 Bitcoin lightning 15:15:04 And it’s lightning thingy 15:15:06 Ah 15:22:17 @routingerror:metropolis.nexus: Though monero has better p2p properties 15:22:42 I still don't think it is "wealth" 15:23:14 Let’s move the topic from here to #monero-offtopic:monero.social 15:29:06 I think this question is technical enough to stay in WG > <@routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Also isn't lightning better as it's encryption / onion routing 15:29:06 Hope someone answers without emotions ahhh 15:29:48 @routingerror:metropolis.nexus: WG ? 15:29:56 WORKGROUP 15:30:01 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: THANKS 15:30:06 but no, this isnt the place for bitcoin discussions 15:30:13 offtopic is 15:30:33 if its a question about monero vs btc, then monero room is 15:30:43 Well coldcard hack just proved you can ahhh > the thing is you won't lose your wealth 15:30:47 workgroup is for "work" 15:31:22 I swear If I had perms > <@routingerror:metropolis.nexus> Don't kick me just here to learn 15:37:56 you know 15:37:59 its community channel 15:38:12 whenever im mod im opened to bribery 15:38:29 your money is welcome to my belly 15:39:30 and if you aren't dizzy that means you are happy 15:39:43 ad out 15:57:24 Is mining monero "profitable" even in XMR terms? 15:58:38 #monero:monero.social 15:58:39 You don’t mine Monero to get profit but to contribute to the network and to the community 15:59:15 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: I think it has a physical limit coz of per unit energy requirements 22:08:28 is downloading the xmr gui on my regular search engine with a vpn less private then if I download it using tor with a vpn on? 22:09:12 Or tor or vpn 22:09:12 Using both is not safe/private 22:09:46 so then how should I go about downloading it 22:10:10 Or tor 22:10:10 Or vpn 22:10:10 Not both 22:10:31 oh 22:10:36 ok 22:12:50 though using both would be safe 22:33:28 remind me why using vpn and tor together is bad 22:40:53

I was thinking the same question. 22:42:27 I know it is bad to some extent but was not paying attention when it was explained 23:10:34 a search yields many parroting to use both, probably to get your referral to a vpn 23:10:54 the answer as always is, it depends 23:12:43 if you have a use case to use both then which vpn you use matters 23:29:49 My xmr gui is not verifiying any Daemon blocks for some reason 23:43:51 well i use proton vpn 23:44:59 -> #monero:monero.social