14:07:45 I will miss today's meeting, please make sure that the CCS website gets fixed, thx 14:08:00 šŸ™ 14:48:16 nioc: Community meeting in 1h12m 14:49:20 Can anybody just join these meetings or is it invite only? 14:50:31 nioc: What is CCS? 14:51:39 Meeting is here and everyone is welcome 14:52:23 CCS is Community Crowdfunding System 14:52:28 nioc: What gets decided in the meeting? 14:52:32 The coffee and snacks are served in the off-topic room tho 14:52:45 @rene_guenon:matrix.org: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1446 14:52:45 todayā€™s meeting topics 14:56:49 nioc: Nice, I'd love to attend then. How do I join? Is there a link or are you guys using the group call feature? 14:58:13 Meeting is here 14:58:23 just like now, we just text, the chat has logs and stuff 14:58:45 no need to do something special/crazy to join, and not callingā€¦ 14:58:45 just being here :) 14:59:18 Ohhh okok my bad 15:06:44 all good 16:00:42 Meeting time: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1446 16:02:25 Hello 16:02:49 Hello hello 16:03:24 Hi 16:04:22 Hello 16:06:32 lets get into the community highlights 16:07:59 https://monero.observer is back 16:08:51 welcome back escaprethe3ra 16:08:51 multiple gpu wallet scanners in the wild, able to scan the chain from a local or precomputed cache in seconds 16:08:57 escapethe3ra* 16:10:48 Published two videos explaining how MoneroSwap works 16:11:56 #moneroswap:matrix.org 16:12:42 nothing else exciting going on? 16:12:52 serai had another audit completed 16:13:14 jberman reports that the phase 1 audit is completed, and all items related to it have been reviewed and merged into monero master 16:13:26 phase of of the integration audit* 16:14:06 ok, lets get into the CCS proposals 16:14:30 note that ccs.getmonero.org is broken atm. ideas page shows nothing and funding page isnt updating 16:15:29 should hopefully be back up in a few days. I'm not sure which part of the stack is broken, but iiuc ccs.getmonero.org is on a separate box than repo.getmonero.org 16:16:05 repo was updated a few days ago, and seems ccs went haywire at that time, so maybe ccs just needs some services restarted - but i have no idea 16:17:16 a. [MRL] Dennis Trautwein - ProbeLab P2P Network Metrics Proposal https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/667 16:17:42 Dennis left a new comment https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/667#note_37195 16:18:29 "I see this proposal has been stuck here. What needs to happen in order to merge this and move the proposal from "Ideas" to "Fundraising"? Is there any sticking point, given it moved off of MRL? Let us know how we can be of help to move things forward." 16:19:08 (jokes on him - its not on the ideas page anymore :D hha jkjk) 16:19:54 lol 16:19:59 the volunteer said they would be able to check this weekend what went wrong on the ccs , not heard from them yet 16:20:22 i spoke to them and they said they would be unavailable 16:20:31 but they dont have access to the ccs box, just repo afaik 16:20:45 ccs is diego box 16:21:13 so its possible that the issue isnt on repo (iiuc..) 16:21:14 is it? 16:21:19 ya 16:21:31 thats what pigeons said some time ago 16:21:45 ive told CS to hold back in case its a gitlab issue that will be resolved this weekend 16:21:54 that helps knowing it wont be resolved this weekend 16:22:13 still worth looking at ccs if some service there is just stuck 16:22:38 a restart will fix it as my mirror runs fine with the current gitlab 16:23:00 my concern was restart and then someting is done again today , but nvm 16:23:04 thats what i mean - if gitlab isfi ne, then the issue is probably something stuck on ccs 16:23:22 Can there not be, like, a scheduled cron job to restart the server? 16:23:27 but yeah, the update of repo isnt done, so probably more hiccups to go 16:24:35 jpk, we only restart during a power failure (thats what i do) 16:24:44 all signs point to lack of timeouts inside a try/catch i added that solved another problem, but i have to see it break first 16:25:29 cant see it break if its already broken :P 16:25:43 fix it then break it again :D 16:25:55 anyway, id ask that diego / cs check the ccs website to see if its on their end 16:26:02 if it breaks again, we can watch it 16:26:11 but for now, funding and ideas is fkd up 16:26:39 So, what do we think of the ProbeLab CCS proposal? 16:29:38 i dont have much of an opinion on it, but i dont think the data is overly helpful 16:29:58 -1 16:30:26 there have been past studies done showing that there are large nodes (1000+ connections) that essentially handle 80% of the network traffic. i dont think it takes too much work to figure that out 16:30:51 no bueno 16:30:56 you have monero.fail doing reverse lookups across the whole network to discover every node monero.fail/map 16:31:55 i dont know what such data buys us, it seems more informative 16:32:19 and again, i feel like its just funding blockchain surveillance. but hey, that all just my opinion 16:32:30 It does feel that way 16:32:46 Hi folks, Yiannis from ProveLab here to answer questions and see if this can move forward. 16:33:00 Hello 16:33:43 -1 16:34:27 We want the study to be as helpful and valuable as possible for the community. We gathered feedback that indeed it is going to be. But weā€™ve also asked several times if thereā€™s something we should add to make it more impactful. 16:35:47 > A report about metrics on unreachable nodes in the Monero network published on ProbeLabā€™s blog. The report will include the outcome of our research study and will include heuristics that make better judgements of whether a node is a spy node or not. If budget allows we will also collect these metrics continuously and have them live on probelab.io. 16:35:47 im not sure knowing whether a node is a spy is ultimately helpful. as discoveries are made, they can jsut change their behavior 16:36:09 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: x2 16:36:20 so the way a user runs a node should simply be defensive - to always assume that every peer is malicious 16:38:35 The point of the study is to try and identify better heuristics to identify spy nodes and also make it harder for spy nodes to exist in the network. 16:38:53 the latter doesnt seem possible 16:39:03 the same spynodes on monero exist on i2p, bitcoin, etc 16:39:22 I am not convinced this proposal should be fundedā€¦ 16:39:22 the core issue isnā€™t just the cost or the closed source nature of Nebulaā€¦ 16:39:22 it is that the fundamental activity ProbeLab is proposing, a large scale crawling of the Monero p2p network, is itself the same class of activity that spy nodes perform[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/l8janqMLbF9HRUFt ] 16:39:23 The more we detect the more they will evolve to evade detection 16:42:35 I would say -1 from me as well, especially considering the work is not fully FOSS 16:42:36 like, we know that large quantity of nodes on btc, i2p, and monero are spy nodes, yet the only "solutions" for any of them are blocking, asmap, reducing clusters 16:43:24 Regarding the closed source: weā€™ve revised the proposal and this was amended. 16:44:08 IMO, something more useful would be looking into actual mitigations, such as an ASmap like Bitcoin Core uses, or preventing heuristic leakage through anonymity networks. 16:44:44 or improving block sync throughput and sybil resistance on anonymity networks 16:46:15 but these things dont require monitoring the adversaries, they defend against all adversaries 16:46:36 so it would make it not realistic for spied to participate at all, since they cant learn anything 16:46:37 Ok, thatā€™s useful. Iā€™m wondering why such suggestions come several months after the proposal was submitted. 16:47:40 If you can add these comments in the proposal itself, we can continue the discussion and see if we have a methodology to propose that would make it valuable. 16:47:46 some more interesting proposals need more interesting input. we can apologize for not having better ideas earlier, but its not easy to think of what to do 16:47:54 Otherwise messages just get lost in this channel. 16:48:01 I think I did say something like that in the monero labs meetings IIRC 16:48:49 ok, 10mins left, lets get to the other propsals quickly 16:48:59 again, note that the website isnt working so funding isnt working atm 16:49:00 @boog900: Yes, myself as well. 16:50:04 b. acx - part-time monfluo https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/690 16:50:41 @plowsof is this in merge queue? 16:51:05 Easy +1 16:51:16 +1 16:51:25 +1 16:52:03 c. panagot12 Monero LWS Observatory ā€” Public LWS Health https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/686 16:52:15 In all, Iā€™m hearing that thereā€™s limited interest for the proposal. Weā€™ll leave it to that from our side and let us know if appetite shifts. Weā€™ll also dive a little more on Dandelion+ to see any space for optimization there. 16:52:57 ofrnxmr: -1 16:53:06 -1 16:53:07 ofrnxmr: -1 16:53:44 ofrnxmr: +1 16:53:54 been having a nap 16:54:15 id -1 as well,if nothing else, because there arent many public lws servers atm 16:54:38 a kuno would probably do well here, also since this is vibe coded 16:54:48 ofrnxmr: * 16:55:00 acx yes ofrnxmr 16:55:16 d. Boog900 - Cuprate FCMP++ support https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/691 16:55:21 +1 16:55:23 +1 16:55:33 +1 16:56:24 e. v1docq47 - monero konferenco 2026 voice-over and working on xmr.ru https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/683 16:56:33 -1 not urgent 16:56:41 -1 16:56:49 -1 16:56:51 racists 16:57:07 i thought this was a "merge, but not right now" :D hah 16:59:06 v1docq47 has been funded for all of his prior proposals (except 1) and has been doing this work for years. i wouldnt want to merge during a slow-funding period, but im not against merging it since the audience is entirely different than our usual 16:59:30 so my person vote is "postpone" 16:59:36 personal* 16:59:45 (not close) 16:59:49 +1 to postpone 17:00:12 well could always hold off i guess, ya 17:00:55 f. r4v3r23 - ANONERO Continued development https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/671 17:01:15 repo page is no longer loading for me. 17:01:15 has any milestones been met yet or does it still seem like a bit.of a mess 17:01:22 +1 17:01:26 in regards to F ā€“ anonero 17:01:35 patchwork, milestones for anonero? no 17:02:15 Shall we postpone this one as well? 17:02:15 there are some points that havenā€™t been clarified 17:02:27 their repo loads for me 17:02:41 http://git.anonero5wmhraxqsvzq2ncgptq6gq45qoto6fnkfwughfl4gbt44swad.onion/ANONERO/ANONERO/commits/branch/main 17:02:43 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: took me a few secs but it did 17:02:45 everything just seemed to have gone tits up since a couple meetings ago and time scales were reduced, adding pressure to r4v3r23/anonero 17:03:45 there have been more comments in both directions since the last meeting 17:03:49 after the last meeting r4v3r managed to pop in and replied 'devs are ready' 17:03:49 any progress made since then? 17:03:49 I'm not against anonero but it seems all over the place 17:04:31 well, the only updates on the app have been translations, so idk whats going on 17:04:53 would be fantastic to see progress and peoples suggestions taken on board for taking it further, rather then be shot down and dismissed. 17:04:58 Oh, that update, been a while 17:05:12 + pospone 17:05:38 +1 postpone until things get clear 17:05:41 we dont care about seeing concepts for the new ui right? example: new CCS ui , we expected to see mockups 17:06:10 the milestones have been planned and decided - jut need funding now 17:06:12 he shouldn't of reduced the time scales adding pressure to himself/dev and not deliver in those reduced times. 17:06:18 Imo ui is fine. Just fix the bug and add a network killswitch on anon 17:06:29 ravfx new ui is the first milestone 17:07:04 network kill switch isnt in the milestones, but i personally think the way the apps are is mixed up 17:07:12 ā€œMilestone 1: New UI (23.1725 XMR)ā€ 17:07:36 both of the apps are online - nero = view only, anon = signing and spend 17:07:37 Yeah, reverse anon and nero, would make more sence 17:07:57 anon should be online view and spend, nero should be offline sign only 17:07:58 plowsof: I still say +1 to postpone, till see things moving further. 17:07:58 no offence intended. it would be great to see anonero flying 17:10:09 ok, what are we waiting for with the postpone? 17:10:25 what do we want answered or to see before merge? 17:11:45 mockup for ui? bugs being fixed / activity on repo from dev? prs from contributors instead of patches being submit and git author credit taken by anonero account? 17:11:50 peoples bug reporting like @ravfx:xmr.mx findings, being taken on board - rather then him being shot down and called a clown 17:12:22 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: all of the above IMO 17:13:20 http://git.anonero5wmhraxqsvzq2ncgptq6gq45qoto6fnkfwughfl4gbt44swad.onion/ANONERO/ANONERO/commit/2ae2f0fdbfa51f3565f7db4d532f5c9ec856f8f7 example - this was done by @udenix:4d2.org but author is anonero 17:13:27 plenty of bugs have been identified 17:13:58 I've noticed peoples bug findings just being met with hostility, attitude and denial 17:13:58 would be nice for udenix to explain why he didnt spot the 3+ year old dependencies in the wallet after contirbuting for months 17:14:22 UDENIX was contributing for months? how can you tell :D 17:14:26 raver said anyone who built from source would get them - which is wrong , provably 17:14:29 I'm all for it succeeding BTW. 17:14:44 udenix is the kotlin dev? 17:14:59 i thought he was jsut the guy who did the transaltions 17:15:12 oh we dont care about the anon dev, i forgot 17:15:14 the spanish translation* 17:15:17 ignore 17:15:26 what is ofrnxmr waiting for to vote on the proposal? 17:16:20 votes. 17:16:38 twas a joke 17:16:53 ohz hehehuhuhahaha 17:17:29 seems were still at a crossroads and over the limit. lets see if activity picks up or any concerns addressed before next meeting 17:17:35 thanks folks 17:17:48 take care ppl 17:18:15 Next meeting Sat Sept 5, 2026 @ 1600 UTC 17:18:25 last meeting there was a mention of revuo.. not today? 17:18:25 Monero observer taken over?? great. 17:18:32 no 17:18:42 revuo hasnt posted since july 17:18:50 TWIM hasnt either 17:19:21 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: cyphergoat right? if so I noticed the other day 17:19:26 yeah 17:19:45 ya July 19th 17:19:53 community highlight isnt really a highlight if nothing has changed since the previous meeting 17:21:13 observer 'Monero Monthly ...ish 15' 17:21:13 at least someone's honest šŸ˜… 17:21:41 ofrnxmr: see you šŸ‘‹ 18:56:26 definitely! > <@pw:xmr.mx> last meeting there was a mention of revuo.. not today? 19:41:03 @escapethe3ra:matrix.org @escapethe3ra:dfc.world isn't that right? 19:55:43 i don't think ofrn should host the meetings. 19:56:02 šŸ†šŸ˜Æ 19:56:09 be quiet 19:59:56 https://lounge.monero.observer/c/186#209 20:04:00 you may be a bad candidate if you didn't have the meetings planned and got shit done. 20:04:00 but you're organised and do get shit done. contribute left right and centre.. not only open issues for everyone else who brings them up in an app specific room, and brag about it in the process. 20:09:04 i should just do the biweekly meeting every 6 months and then get mad at any royalty that thinks they deserve one more often than i feel like it 20:24:57 would still have more content than revuo 22:57:26 <321bob321> so monero observer is taken over from revuo ? 22:57:57 <321bob321> when you mute 90% of the people here, the responses dont make sense from rotten 23:00:37 no I dont think its over taken as such. 23:00:37 was just my poor wording with revuo being mentioned last meeting 2 week ago but not this week. instead it was Monero observer that's recently started again 23:05:10 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I think there was no mention of revuo or cyphergoat TWIM due to ofrns comment I've quoted here. 23:05:10 instead for those reasons, it was Monero observer getting the mention instead thus week 23:07:02 @321bob321: most of them don't since he just usually adds 5+ emoji reactions. 23:08:36 @pw:xmr.mx: Observer was on haitus / break for a while, so was removed from the agendas. It recently returned, so was readded (most recent update = yesterday) 23:14:10 yeah i seen comments last week it was mentioned in a channel had made a return 23:15:30 In featherwallet 23:15:41 By tob 23:15:53 that's the one!