04:40:02 <n1oc> acx part-time work on Monfluo 2026Q3 is now fully funded! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/acx-monfluo-maintenance-and-further-development-6.html @luigi1111
07:07:21 <br-m> <kryptomatiks:matrix.org> Looks like they're working on it: https://github.com/trezor/trezor-suite/pull/29235 > <@jpk68:matrix.org> A few others (and myself) have tried to contact Trezor numerous times, to not much avail. It doesn't seem like they're too willing to have someone work on THP support in the Monero codebase themselves.
07:09:15 <br-m> <kryptomatiks:matrix.org> Full monero support on Trezor Suite; not a C++ library for the THP integration but better than nothing I guess
07:58:44 <br-m> <tobtoht> @kryptomatiks:matrix.org: 10k line diff co-authored by claude....
07:59:02 <br-m> <tobtoht> submitted by a contributor who has 2420 merged PRs on that repo
08:06:25 <br-m> <thomasbuilds:matrix.org> trezor has gone the AI route 100%
08:06:59 <br-m> <thomasbuilds:matrix.org> it's not just this PR all PRs are AI
08:07:34 <br-m> <entropyhoover:matrix.org> Doesn't sounds great for a security oriented product?
08:07:45 <br-m> <tobtoht> what's the point of asking Trezor to do anything if they are just going to slop it?
08:07:52 <plowsof> lol
08:08:34 <plowsof> i think seeing them busy getting doom running on one of their devices said enough 
08:10:27 <br-m> <thomasbuilds:matrix.org> the PR has 8 pending reviewers some of whom are employed
08:10:49 <br-m> <thomasbuilds:matrix.org> we don't know if they just ask AI to review it or do it properly
08:11:10 <br-m> <thomasbuilds:matrix.org> you just need 1 reviewer to use AI properly - that's it
08:11:29 <br-m> <thomasbuilds:matrix.org> all other 7 should be human reviews
08:22:44 <sech1> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1w1gsny/p2pool_5year_anniversary/
08:27:19 <plowsof> 🥳
08:56:27 <br-m> <rbrunner7> @kryptomatiks:matrix.org: I am not sure that for us who want to support Trezor in our wallets, this PR is "better than nothing". Worst case they will take it as an excuse: "See, Trezor support in Monero wallets is not necessary anymore, just use our Trezor Suite, problem solved".
09:45:44 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @rbrunner7: Never, ever, ever touch Trezor Suite (or Ledger Wallet) for anything related to assets
09:46:30 <br-m> <hbs:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: update firmware via trezorctl, use zknox blue to install Ledger apps
09:50:19 <br-m> <mrcyjanek0:matrix.org> https://github.com/MrCyjaneK/monero_c/blob/develop/patches/monero/0021-trezor-import-export-sign-functions.patch
09:51:12 <br-m> <mrcyjanek0:matrix.org> it’s definitely less than 10k lines to get the new trezor support
09:53:06 <br-m> <mrcyjanek0:matrix.org> there’s also some extra code I didn’t put in the cpp code yet - and it’s done on the dart side in cake but it’s a starting point that already works
14:59:16 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> It may be possible to eventually take Bitcoin Core's route of splitting wallet functionality into a separate repo, where we just use the vendors' Python libraries.
14:59:18 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/HWI
14:59:47 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @jpk68:matrix.org: Too bad they cant wplit wallet functionaity from the node
15:01:01 <br-m> <jpk68:matrix.org> Not quite sure what you mean
15:13:31 <br-m> <tobtoht> I don't think we should allow third party hardware integrations in the main repo. We can set up a generic USB interface, and if a vendor wants to offer Monero support they can go ahead and implement that. We have given Trezor/Ledger way too much leverage over our code and dependencies.
15:13:36 <br-m> <tobtoht> Oh, we added Protobuf, guess you'll need protobuf. Oh, protobuf now depends on abseil, guess you'll need abseil. Oh, we overengineered our host protocol (thanks claude!), guess you'll go have to implement that now.
15:22:49 <br-m> <mrcyjanek0:matrix.org> ^ fully support tobtoht on that one, we tried a few integrations of the new protocol and keeping the minimal scope ensures that monero is portable and anyone can use it the way they want and we also get less LOC to maintain.
15:22:49 <br-m> <mrcyjanek0:matrix.org> Konsti and I from tried multiple ways of integrating trezor (and still have ledger integrated by just registering a dummy USB device…), and it’s definitely more portable and maintainable when we just get the data we need and we can just pass it to the hardware wallet using whatever is available on the OS we target.
20:03:01 <br-m> <4rkal> Anyone know who's behind duskswap.com? Looks pretty cool and it's using cyphergoat ; )
20:11:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> basicswap mentioned " Currently sourcing BasicSwap and CypherGoat live; more venues are on the way."
20:12:20 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> also they are wrong in some circumstancec "Instant exchanges — faster, but NOT trustless" << some instant swaps still take like 50 confs iirc
20:13:12 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> basicswap takes the obligatory 10 to unlock the xmr. if buying ltc etc, it is usually released after 3 xmr confs
20:14:12 <nioc> one swapper lists confs as 6-50 lol
20:15:01 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> one held my funds for 100 one time
20:16:14 <br-m> <4rkal> Some exchanges may require more confirmations for large trades (eg. 50k+), but most are super fast. What is not mentioned at all on the website is the risk of receiving tainted coins, which iirc is a real issue on platforms like bisq
20:16:21 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "BTC/XMR	basicswap	168.941	168.755	+0.11%" basicswap al beating centralized swappers
20:16:36 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "XMR/BTC	0.00591949	0.00588082	0.00592595	+0.65%" < centralized
20:17:14 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @4rkal: i cant receive tainted xmr 🧠
20:17:26 <br-m> <4rkal> yeah obviously
20:17:37 <nioc> they are all tainted  :D
20:19:45 <br-m> <4rkal> We (cyphergoat) were thinking of providing liquidity on basicswap, but the primary blocker is we couldn't actually market make properly as we would only be playing the xmr receiving route. Receiving any transparent coins on a p2p marketplace comes with tainted coins risks
20:21:20 <br-m> <4rkal> I think a lot more market makers would join the game if there was some way of minimizing that risk 
20:21:58 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> you can TECHNICALLY fuck off on the swap and let it go into refund if it fails your aml
20:22:22 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> but id prefer you just act as an xmr buyer
20:24:01 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> but, as the btc side, i can play dirty too, and fuck off on the refund and force it into the swipe/mercy (which makes the trade complete
20:24:34 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> so id just recommend not buying transparent coins if you dont want to risk taint
20:25:01 <nioc> so only buy wow
20:25:24 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> right. if you only buy wow, people wont pay you with tainted coins
20:48:05 <br-m> <321bob321> Or buy
21:46:10 <br-m> <4rkal> If anyone’s wondering why it’s been so quiet on the CypherGoat front lately, we’ve been building something new. More soon
21:47:54 <br-m> <4rkal> oh and it’s invite only ; )
21:56:02 <br-m> <ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> what abt twim
21:56:20 <br-m> <nike_ty6:matrix.org> Hello, could someone send the latest Monero reports(website)?
22:10:17 <br-m> <ofrnxmr> What is that
22:16:22 <br-m> <321bob321> beta site?
22:20:15 <br-m> <slowbeardigger:matrix.org> maybe https://monero.observer/?
22:21:12 <br-m> <nike_ty6:matrix.org> @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: Thanks 
22:36:44 <br-m> <321bob321> loll