02:18:44 hey guys, should be a bit more aware of twitter and shadowbanning about xmr. lot of people paying musk to only get disrupted lol, be more intelligent pelase 04:43:05 rty567: ;3 04:43:05 I won't say who you are but hi 12:11:22 <4rkal> https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero/issue-38 14:54:42 Hey guys. For most of you it is probably intuitive but I'll share just in case somebody hasn't thought of this. As I'm starting to help people around sovereignty, recently a dude asked me how to acquire xmr as cex are now limited, he wanted to sell kyc btc p2p. Beware, kyc btc is a ticking time bomb of compliance and taxes and [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/t6C_3KcLTGctSHV1 ] 14:57:29 i tend to see it as "not my problem", but yes, your kyc btc can end up in the hands of a bad party 14:57:49 which makes authorities think you are the one who made those transfers. but i dont subscribe to such 14:58:28 id tell the feds straight up that my only use for btc is to acquire xmr. and that nothing that happens beyoone the first hop has anyhting to do ith me 14:58:42 i would never spend btc on anything except for xmr 14:59:58 Yes, but it is not about assumptions. Vs door knock you have only I sold for xmr. You have no proof whatsoever 15:00:32 Link ends at your address 15:00:48 Community meeting in 1 hour: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1453 15:01:11 @gentlemoose:matrix.org: yes i do? i can easil prove that i send btc and received xmr at the same time on the same day 15:02:06 Of course, but it is not exactly a cold proof 15:02:16 It may be you to you 15:02:40 whats the word for this 15:02:45 concern trolling 15:02:52 fear porn 15:03:29 if you think providing your identity to strangers is better than kyc, than youve never heard of a sting 15:03:32 Nah haha. I hope nobody gets to there but knowing where we are heading someday for someone it may occur. I'm just sharing. 15:06:36 My favourite internet thing when I try to help people it comes to what I don't know and trolling or fud hahah. Okay player. You win 16:00:13 Meeting time: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1453 16:01:09 Hello 16:01:21 Hey 16:01:29 Hello 16:01:44 hi bird, mr woods, slowbear 16:02:12 I hope yall doing well 16:02:55 likewise. time runs fast, i thought it was still thursday 16:03:58 3. community highlights 16:04:01 ofrnxmr: Wait, you mean today is not Tuesday? crazy 16:04:01 we should touch some grass 16:04:06 cyphergoat put out a This Week in Monero post today: https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero/ 16:04:54 Good to see some proposals flowing 16:05:42 as is the norm in basicswap, we like to pre-announce-pre-announcements 16:06:07 so id like to say that there are some QoL UX changes coming soon 16:06:34 namely a new bidding experience 16:07:23 gamechanger for monero dexes IMO 16:07:56 will try to get it out before the next meeting. has been in testing and review for a few weeks already 16:09:03 👋 16:09:08 https://monero.observer/ is still active. new trezor leak 16:09:20 https://monero.observer/trezor-customers-affected-shipmonk-data-breach/ 16:09:42 affects older users, from 2019 era 16:10:29 ofrnxmr: “im tired boss” 16:11:01 thats why i dont own a hardware wallet. easier to avoid being in a database if you dont own any monero 16:11:55 i only buy backdoored / use like new devices from ebay so im safe from these big data leaks 16:12:13 I used a proxy 16:13:06 does anyone have any other highlights theyd like to share? if not, lets get into CCS proposals and discussion 16:13:44 Not that it is super relevant but 16:14:01 i’ve made decent progress on CARROT/FCMP++ for merchant payment detection 16:14:17 Hopefully won’t take long to put the repo online 16:14:35 nice, thanks 16:14:51 4. CCS Proposals 16:15:07 first i would like to mention a few things that plowsof raised 16:15:11 +1 for selsta and Boog 16:16:31 1. resdh4de's in-funding proposal had a title change and reduced xmr rate due to the recent value increase. 36 -> 25 xmr, and new title mentions that is it an astro rewrite (not just a redesign) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/695/diffs 16:17:30 2. syntheticbird reduced rate from 80 -> 60 xmr for the same reason 16:19:14 3. hinto had requested for his aborted proposal funds to be repurposed for other cuprate work. syntheticbird has requested the funds, with boog and hinto showing support https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/696 16:20:28 👍 1,2,3 . hintos proposal is closed and syntheticbird is by majority taking it over inside his own CCS 16:20:32 i will note though, that there has, though, been some controversy with stagex discussion as of today 16:20:46 in -dev? 16:21:15 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/10223#issuecomment-5545937212 16:21:25 on the pull request 16:22:02 so a good read for syn or anybody interested in using it 16:22:37 maybe the next cuprate meeting boog900 16:23:17 "I say all this as someone who was a non-trivial contibutor, who actually moved it to mimalloc, who redid their LLVM and Rust packages, and misc other errata. I adopted it in my own project, Serai, exemplifying the Dunning–Kruger effect, before realizing how flawed it was and issuing a retraction/no longer claiming Serai's runtime is bootstrapped 16:23:17 thanks to using StageX." 16:23:23 i noticed stagex reduced sync times, so whatever caused that bring it into the approved solution 16:24:26 so its not just a hater comment, but seems kayaba was a regular / non-trivial contributor to the project 16:25:17 so thats not a nack on (3), just that it should probably be discussed further before moving forward with stagex 16:26:07 moving on to the proposals now 16:26:10 Yes, I also previously identified some potential runtime behaviour discrepancies between glibc and musl in the Monero codebase 16:26:16 before cuprate move forward with stagex right? not sure where -core is on stagex tbh 16:26:18 See the PR I linked for more info 16:26:54 stagex core pr went from draft to ready for review, so i think that is why kayaba commented 16:27:23 a. selsta - full-time monero development (3 months) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/697 16:27:35 +1 16:27:42 +1 16:27:53 +2 16:27:53 +1 16:28:29 👍 16:28:43 skipping b for now 16:28:46 c. panagot12 Monero LWS Observatory — Public LWS Health https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/686 16:29:07 a. +1 16:29:15 that’s the one with the repo that was online then offline then online 16:29:30 yeah, then migrated to gitlab 16:30:07 oh, yeah, for 1 and 2 (redshade and syn rate changes) = +1 16:31:14 they have a preview up https://monero-lws-observatory.vercel.app/ 16:31:25 checkin’ itr 16:31:26 it* 16:33:11 could make a request on monero.fail repo to track monero-lws servers 16:33:37 yeah 16:33:55 also, the description rates dont match the md 16:34:09 description asks for 3 + 3, the md shows 5 + 5 16:35:33 https://github.com/lalanza808/monero.fail/issues 16:35:43 should i ping them to come to the next meeting? close / merge ? what does everyone thing. theres only 1 vote on the proposal atm 16:35:46 if anyone wants a monero-lws registry 16:35:56 pls make a requets 16:35:58 request* 16:36:05 will do 16:36:22 ofrnxmr: +1 to ping em 16:36:58 benchmark the time they fully sync a wallet from genesis , not accepting anything more than 7 mins 16:37:33 d. v1docq47 - monero konferenco 2026 voice-over and working on xmr.ru https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/683 16:38:17 i think id vote "update rates -> merge" now 16:38:24 update rates and proposer can reach out for support from xmr.ru community or directly link the proposal on the front page of xmr.ru and ask for support 16:38:40 proof of life pelase 16:38:45 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: agreed 16:39:18 lat blog was 2026-08-12 so wake up pls 16:39:38 more recentt than the weekly revup 16:40:07 “weekly” 16:40:26 this is the kuno problem 16:40:35 yeah let’s just ping em to update rates 16:40:44 he was paid up front for 12 weekly issues, and produced 1 16:40:58 2 months ago 16:41:48 cc @v1docq48:matrix.org: 16:42:22 e. r4v3r23 - ANONERO Continued development https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/671 16:42:28 gotta be setting a record with this one 16:42:51 -1 16:43:48 http://git.anonero5wmhraxqsvzq2ncgptq6gq45qoto6fnkfwughfl4gbt44swad.onion/ANONERO/ANONERO/commits/branch/main still no commits from the dev 16:44:10 i see a pull request though, from udenix 16:44:24 but when plowsof's comissioned fork was proposed for PRs, ai slop was rejected 16:44:26 Seems like they’re waiting to see funds to start doing something 16:44:34 and that pull request is clearly ai 16:45:02 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: I raised some points in the gitlab comment section, no response 16:45:19 not saying the pull is bad, but that if ai is acceptable than plowsofs code should be accepted and reviewed as well 16:46:06 (would that mean plowsof should be paid for the completed work? :P) 16:46:22 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: yep 16:47:08 id rather fund trusted devs with experience to bring new features into core that can be adopted by wallet2 api consumers 16:47:25 a new ui from a kotlin dev? no problem 16:47:29 Even for a project that is 100% clanked, time is required, QA is also required 16:47:35 on a more serious note, i dont think any of the concerns have been addressed. main dev hasnt opened a pr (commits, even translations, are being commited by ANONERO account), no activity in a few months, including the disclosed vulns 16:47:53 https://git.disroot.org/iuanv9/anonero-fork/issues/8 if anyone would like to test the ai slop from rent a clanker 16:49:56 https://git.disroot.org/iuanv9/anonero-fork/pulls 16:50:47 lol 16:50:59 prs that complete most of the ccs proposal's milestones 16:51:13 I stick with my -1 16:51:52 you're obligated to vote yes or abstain, sir. /s 16:52:27 I will vote with my wallet 16:52:32 my wallet says 16:52:33 open a kuno 16:52:58 hello 16:53:07 i don't know where to go from here. maybe at this point the proposal needs to be redrafterd since the features are mostly completed 16:53:19 hi hbs 16:53:23 And tbh plowsof have completed the work… so... > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (would that mean plowsof should be paid for the completed work? :P) 16:53:26 @hbs:matrix.org: hola 16:54:29 ok, lets move on. i think we'll have to close if there isnt some movement in the next 2 weeks 16:54:40 2027 is approaching also, the crack down on third party apps for standard android OS's 16:55:14 good point 16:55:34 the final item on the agenda isnt a ccs proposal, but a request for bounty funds to be repurposed 16:55:53 this one https://bounties.monero.social/posts/32/140-219m-i2p-baked-into-the-monero-gui? 16:55:56 f. jpk68 - request to repurpose more of the i2p gui bounty https://bounties.monero.social/posts/32/140-219m-i2p-baked-into-the-monero-gui 16:56:05 yes 16:56:25 +1 16:56:33 The way I see it, the funds are going to sit there for an eternity otherwise 16:56:39 i expressed my view privately with jpk, but ill restate them here 16:56:49 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/jpk68-i2p-samv3-support.html 16:56:57 bounties arent supposed to be used for CCS proposals, or anything outside of the bounty 16:56:58 I was granted part of these funds in my past CCS, and the world has not yet exploded 16:56:59 +1 for i2p 16:57:13 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: hmmm 16:57:27 when can we use i2p in the gui 16:57:39 @jpk68:matrix.org: your prior proposal was the one that closed the bounty. the current proposal is unrelated 16:57:51 the proposal is 2/3 complete with funded beta testing milestone 16:57:53 plowsof: When it's merged :) 16:58:05 “*expired bounties will be transfered to the top 5 bounties on the site that have the most funding at that time.” 16:58:06 as in, the first ccs was a replacement for the bounty 16:58:07 You can use it right now if you build it yourself 16:58:09 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: https://github.com/t-900-a/fider-monero-bot/blob/master/policy/scope.md 16:58:11 ther is 15 xmr you can collect 16:58:49 I think, the policy should be updated 16:58:50 100% of the work requested in the bounty has been completed, and for a third of the price. You couldn't ask for a better deal, really ;) 16:59:25 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: when was the last time a expired bounty was transferred to the top 5 bounties? 16:59:32 probably never 16:59:39 have yo uannounced and recruited beta tetsers per milestone 3 for example 16:59:39 Funds sitting there 16:59:56 i2p sam is still being updated daily 17:00:22 Yeah, that's not a policy that's working for anyone. Would it really kill anyone to be pragmatic and allocate funds where needed 17:00:29 100% of the work for what bounty? 17:00:35 this is the pr that is 100% complete? https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/10523 17:00:39 still actively in review / its not dead and just waiting for merge 17:00:47 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: Can we do something about this? vote? something? 17:00:47 I would strongly agree if expired bounties get used to fund CCS proposals that are “almost there” but need a little push 17:00:53 @gingeropolous: The I2P GUI bounty, besides it being merged. 17:01:11 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: bounties and ccs are entirely separate operations 17:01:16 Ginger stated he would be willing to have the community vote on this. It seems the majority of people agree 17:01:20 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: F 17:01:29 i dont think we should be using bounties for ccs proposals, unless the ccs fulfills the purpose of the bounty 17:01:51 Sam support is not what the bounty was in it's entirety 17:01:56 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: They are different but can still be within the CCS 17:02:13 @syntheticbird: they are entirely different, not even on the same TLD 17:02:42 diff wallets, diff custodians, diff maintainers, diff goals, different rewards path 17:02:44 What benefit is there to leaving the funds sitting in bounty wallets, to never be used again? 17:02:45 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: could be merged into ccs.getmonero.org is my point 17:02:49 Then why hasn’t been ever a expired bounty distributed to the top 5 active ones? 17:02:52 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: yeah i get it 17:03:16 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: Because it's a terrible policy 17:03:50 @syntheticbird: We should work on this 17:03:50 updating that policy, and fund stuff 17:04:12 Like, i would love to see at least part of an expired bounty to fund Monero development 17:04:20 the one thing they have in common, is the policies can be changed. example here is that dead ccs proposals are supposed to go to the generalfund, but we as a community decided to use them to fund slow proposals 17:04:39 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: hold down cowboy, ccs is in the realm of the core kingdom. Your good faith and motivation is not gonna change anything to it unless you convince community and core 17:04:43 Yes, I think it should be voted on, to reallocate bounty funds to similar work, on a case-by-case basis. 17:04:55 @syntheticbird: true 17:04:56 sowy 17:05:46 @jpk68:matrix.org: one thing you suggested, was to send the funds to the i2p team, or to MAGIC fuzzing proposal. while both of those are charitable / admirable, i think they both spit in the face of the donors 17:06:19 when people fund a bounty, they are sending money for a race for a specific head to be chopped off, not to send money to random sidequests 17:06:32 I think it would be infinitely more of an insult to just leave the funds there forever, doing nothing, just for some useless posturing. 17:06:56 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Policy update would cover that :p 17:06:57 Donors want their funds to be put to work, not to be sitting in a vault somewhere. 17:07:20 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: and making sure donors read that 17:07:21 @jpk68:matrix.org: its not a matter of using the money but a matter of not misusing the money 17:07:32 @jpk68:matrix.org: you are just assuming 17:07:42 Surely someone will think of a way to make hidden services Just Fucking Work (JFW) in the gui 17:08:00 @syntheticbird: i stated in prior meeting that i would only ACK a repurpose of those bounty funds if they went towards specific tor/i2p work that was in the same stream as the bounty 17:08:35 I'm sorry, but it's a bit ridiculous to argue that it's a "misuse of funding" to donate it to audits for the same exact purpose 17:09:01 @jpk68:matrix.org: I never said your particular case is a misuse of funding 17:09:06 the bounty is "make it easy for gui users to use i2p" 17:09:19 I'm just expliciting my thoughts on the general policy here 17:09:23 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Yes, and after discussing this in a tech meeting, adding Tor Control does not seem to be a good idea. I'm not going to push for bad decisions being made because I want funds (?) 17:09:50 @jpk68:matrix.org: right, so then the bounty funds sit until there is a use for them IMO 17:10:09 using idle money because it exists = why dont we just fund everything with the general fund 17:10:12 Anyone who has doubts about the usability of SAM in the GUI can try and build it themselves, and see how easy it is. 17:10:35 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I think I have presented a use for them quite well. 17:10:47 jpk68 "anyone" or the team of beta testers 17:10:51 for ms3 17:11:19 giving it to the i2p team or MAGIC? or donating to generalfund? i think all of those are against the spirit of the platform and a misuse of the funds 17:11:47 plowsof: Yes, I've been waiting for a few weeks to get more reviews so we can iron out a few details 17:11:57 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: This can be voted on 17:12:08 it doesnt need to be voted on 17:12:13 its out of scope for the platform 17:12:36 I think a significant portion of people here would be willing to change that policy. 17:12:42 . > <@syntheticbird> could be merged into ccs.getmonero.org is my point 17:12:51 Not saying RIGHT NOW 17:13:00 but we should def think a bit about it 17:13:28