06:49:49 open source? > <@cookingnan:matrix.org> https://x.com/umbraXMR/status/2099065824870818119 07:07:51 inclined to delete that as drive-by spam 07:16:31 @plowsof:matrix.org: 🤔 07:19:38 https://monerointegrations.com/#plugins https://bitcart.ai/ https://btcpayserver.org/ open source, depends what you need. if its 'someone else host everything for me and just let people pay monero' an example would be someones third party instance of bitcart, but you trust them to not selectively provide their own address when people are making purchases if they are running a modified version 07:20:08 use your words @cookingnan:matrix.org, what is your affiliation with that closed source thing? 07:21:11 if you want to drive by spam your services every week just use claude to scrape monero.observer and release a weekly newsletter 07:52:53 @plowsof:matrix.org: That is not spam , it is my personal project which i had been building for months. I dont understand what you mean every week because this is my first time to post here. 07:53:14 you spammed it to mining ans markers channel 07:55:06 @ofrnxmr: I dont understand what you mean by spamming. I sent 1 link on each channel. The reason being to expand exposure since not every person is in all channels. 07:55:37 It is spam, by definition. "An unsolicited electronic message sent in bulk, usually by email or newsgroups" 07:56:02 What does the product have to do with mining? 07:57:00 Maybe by definition. Though lets use reasoning. 07:57:23 "unsolicited usually commercial messages (such as emails, text messages, or Internet postings) sent to a large number of recipients or posted in a large number of places" 07:57:32 @ofrnxmr: This is using reasoning. Answer please 07:57:57 Lets assume it was a single message posted in only the mining room 08:00:10 Fair point. I can see why posting it in the mining room specifically wasn’t relevant. My intention was just to share something I’ve been building with the wider Monero community, not to spam anyone. I’ll be more selective about where I share it going forward. No need to drag this out. 08:48:40 yes stop dragging this out @cookingnan:matrix.org , wheres the source? 08:49:36 im not personally interested in seeing the source of a cookie cutter LLM monero payment processor but this is a FOSS community 08:56:54 Bro , this ecosystem is for open for everyone to build. You are a mod , you are not Monero 08:58:01 Again my intention was just to share something I’ve been building with the wider Monero community. 08:59:40 i have a table at fosdem and a getmonero email address, how dare you insinuate that im not monro? you shared a tweet of some closed source slopped processor with zero trust and are using mental gymnastics at every turn 09:01:19 You are a mod , you are not Monero , dont abuse that priviledge. 09:03:57 Wheres the source code? 09:04:40 (there are only a few ways to answer such a question) 09:05:24 A) a link to the code 09:05:24 B) a statement that the code is not public 09:05:24 C) avoiding the question and responding with some unrelated complaints about moderation 09:05:50 D) say the ecosystem is open for anyone to build 09:06:44 Such a long typing period 09:06:52 I dont mind open sourcing the server. I kept it closed source to avoid clones though with time there will be a github repo 09:07:12 so B? 09:07:20 But with extra words 09:08:22 @cookingnan:matrix.org: neither B or something. This is my answer to the question on open sourcing. 09:09:14 were you asked about an action? 09:09:24 I asked if the code was available 09:09:52 I will stop responding to irrelevant conversations 09:09:55 The answer is "no" 09:15:39 @plowsof:matrix.org: first time i learned about monero and decentralized infrastracture i was connecting my feather wallet to a node and i saw "plowsof" and was like wtf does that mean, then i joined this server and i saw the node was an actual person. so as far as i am concerned plowsof is at least 1/5th of all "Monero" 09:15:57 "Avoid clones" lol well there are plenty of open source payment gateways that support multiple payment platforms and currencies, who take view keys. Security through obscurity? Well that doesnt work neither, ask openmonero. Well they did benefit from some plausible deniability saying they got "hacked" 09:16:12 wait what 09:16:43 so there are multiple plowsofs? or is it the same plowsof just a different medium 09:17:10 Sorry, i can see how that message lined up well 09:17:53 Thank you for noticing me, clones is about Torns reason for being closed source 09:24:04 @cookingnan:matrix.org: you shoulldn't worry about open sourcing your code. I was worried too at first but found out that nobody really cares to steal it or duplicate it. Moreover its only a small subset who can actually take your code, and put effort to read through it to set it up themselves. On the other hand making it open [... too long, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/r5icmKsLZkVYdFRP ] 09:24:35 Especially if youre small or just starting. 09:25:37 @c99e:matrix.org: Absolutely , i will consider adding a github link on the next update 09:25:40 Its also that promotion of things nobody has used or can audit, isnt really welcome here 09:26:24 This is a workgroup, brother to community-dev, and if its not open, how can we know its not a cryptostealer? 09:26:57 Nobody should recommend some new service from some random handle that spams LLM slop into minibg channels 09:27:04 For managing payments 09:27:35 No source? Might as well be a fake email telling me my ledger got hacked 09:28:01 How am i supposed to know the difference? Ive never seen "torn" around, anywhere 09:28:48 Use my totally free forever third party payment processor that i host for you and your business, you can trust me, im an anon angel 09:29:40 True, reminder that this community probably contains some of the biggest skeptics and most privacy-conscious, security-minded people around. So anything that can't be audited some way or form will be criticised and approached with caution 09:29:47 there was a similar sharing of a new website "monerowallet dot com" which is reminiscent of xmrwallet dot com 09:30:10 Both of these services can steal you money, and the latter was known to do just that 09:30:35 plowsof: There is a reason why i have added a donation option on the site. If someone like my work and project they can donate. 09:31:08 @c99e:matrix.org: Sure thing 09:34:27 "my work" back to the source question again 09:37:05 😅 I see your intention is to cause chaos 13:06:03 Goodness 13:06:07 Good morning anons 13:06:55 Good morning! Welcome to Apple Park 13:09:51 I was busy yesterday 13:09:51 But wanted to recommend the guy just to open source the thing 13:09:51 If community likes it, support gonna show.[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/_oDXnqsLcTVBX2lJ ] 13:25:21 If it's closed-source, how do we know it's not some sort of ANOM phone situation 13:30:58 ^ thats what i said > <@ofrnxmr> No source? Might as well be a fake email telling me my ledger got hacked 13:32:32 Ah, didn't see that 13:33:27 paired with posting it in markets and mining rooms, 2 seconds after joining, seems like some untrustable slop 13:33:43 like, who even is bro? existed on the internet for 45 seconds 13:33:54 🤣 13:34:10 Just open source the thing 13:34:14 End of the drama 🤣 13:34:19 nono, im enjoying not using it 13:34:31 leave is closed source so i can still tell ppl not to touch it 13:34:34 It looks pretty vibed, as well... 13:35:36 Yeh 13:35:50 I think may be the case of "I made it work!!!!" 13:36:00 Then post and message about it 17:25:03 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: He mentioned he has been working on it for few months, and I do recall seeing him post a very early version of this sometime around July. So 🤷 17:25:37 Also @slowbeardigger:matrix.org , if I recall you run some XMR pay thing, right? 17:25:46 Yeah 17:25:50 I remember seeing you post it on Reddit sometime June 17:26:01 Yup yup 17:26:47 I was meaning to tell you, I did a vulnerability pass on the open source code, and GPT 5.6-Sol found a handful of them 17:27:06 I'm aware of a lot of em 17:28:18 Working to patch all of that, improve security and remove unused code 17:28:32 Really wanna polish it properly before FCMP ++ 17:28:38 Just for the record, I don't know their exact details because the guardrails kept getting triggered when I tried to get some test case or reproduction to open an issue, so I just gave up before OpenAI banned my account 17:29:17 Yeah the guardrails suck 17:29:28 Even when you're auditing your own open source projects 🤣 17:30:21 Yeah true, but I found that if you practice the equivalent of "foreplay:, convince it that you are the author and know what you're doing first, it usually lets its guard down 17:30:44 You're not wrong 17:31:13 Sometimes tricking its memory works