03:07:47 Personal CCS Update here: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/688#note_37439 03:11:13 <321bob321> Busy bee 03:18:23 We are lucky 04:00:33 nahuhh opened issue #1460: Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Sat, 2026-09-20 16:00 UTC 04:00:34 > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1460 05:18:47 xmr-pr: 2026-09-19** 06:54:55 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Please take my proposal off the items. Certain technical issues may render this proposal unworkable. Thanks. 07:25:25 repo.getmonero.org down/slow again for me 07:26:11 > A timeout occurred Error code 524 07:26:32 > A timeout occurred Error code 524 07:32:54 [CCS Proposals] Jackie PyXMR closed merge request #698: Jackie - Upgrade HTTP Digest from RFC2617 to RFC7616 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/698 07:39:27 now works 07:48:49 for* now 13:23:02 Gm gm 15:53:43 Community meeting here in 7 mins 🙃 16:00:04 Meeting time: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/1460 16:00:32 Hello! 16:01:02 hi 16:01:29 Hello, glad to be here 16:01:38 Good morning all. Welcome back 16:01:49 Hello 16:03:08 While we wait for people to arrive, lets get into 3. Community highlights 16:03:46 this week in monero is a low effort ai generated news letter that is majority (prev issue 100% bar the 1 link for its for profit venture) links to monero.observer https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero/issue-39 , just putting that out there 16:07:33 the monerotierlist.com its lots of fun and hype 16:07:37 people be just sharing their tierlist all the time 16:08:15 Skylight Wallet public beta with a full redesign and refactor is under Google/Apple review. You can grab the latest APK from the GitHub builds if you don’t want to wait. It now supports node connections as well. Spice Wallet is multi-coin, intended to be the best app for Serai, and it has been approved by Google but is waiting on Apple. We’ll release that when approved by both 16:08:44 #skylight-wallet:monero.social room on matrix 16:09:44 https://monerovis.com/ 16:09:44 Cool new interactive block explorer 16:10:10 I went ahead and implemented OpenAlias v2 support to both, since I want to see that adoption happen 16:11:02 what are the node connections for in skylight wallet? (monero-lws related?) 16:11:12 @lordx3nu:matrix.org: This is beautiful 16:11:46 You can now connect to either an LWS or a node (for local scanning). There are no defaults for these, you need to type your own 16:12:06 ah ok nice 16:12:52 seems like a public monero-lws list is in the works for monero.fail https://github.com/lalanza808/monero.fail/issues/43 16:13:12 https://monero.observer/https://cyphergoat.com/this-week-in-monero/ 16:16:12 Selsta, Jeffro, and acx fully funded, a few more to go ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required 16:16:12 still some troubles with repo.getmonero.org (and ccs. doesnt want to load for me atm) 16:17:00 I've encountered this issue (trouble loading) a few times 16:17:26 ok, if no more highlight atm, lets get into 4. CCS Proposals 16:17:55 a. Dennis Trautwein - ProbeLab P2P Network Metrics Proposal https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/667 16:18:49 Did they agree to open source everything? 16:19:05 can’t remember what we talked about this one the last meeting 16:19:32 i havent commented further on the proposal since we last discussed this 4 weeks ago. @sgp, has mrl been discussing related mitigations and research into spy nodes? 16:20:53 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: mostly that we need concrete solutions to a long-known issue, not just more tools to map the transactions. 16:21:18 and no updates since then 16:21:23 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: A recent research paper has been the primary discussion, iirc 16:22:33 hmm 16:22:50 @sgp_: This one https://arxiv.org/abs/2609.10260 16:23:07 thanks sgp 16:23:25 It was discussed in more detail during the Wednesday MRL meeting 16:24:31 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: With that said, we don’t need more tools to map transactions i agree with that 16:24:32 thanks sgp, i'll leave a comment on the proposal 16:25:20 b. slowbeardigger - gather consensus on repurpose of monero-integrations ccs 16:25:20 original proposal: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/125 16:25:20 recanmans dormant takeover: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/402 16:25:42 Hola :) 16:26:07 tl;dr - recanman took over the monero-integrations proposal a couple years ago, and after some work has appeared to have abandoned the proposal 16:27:06 yep I believe plowsof posted somewhere we should reach recanman and ping him 16:27:15 slowbear has had a few prs merged on the repo, the i believe serhack is ok with slowbear taking over the proposal. recanman has been pinged a couple times as recently as today for a status check / update / ack on handing over to slowbear. 16:27:32 plowsof noted that his github is active, but we havent seen him on matrix in quite a few months 16:28:28 yup 16:28:28 been working on monerowp https://github.com/monero-integrations/monerowp/pull/132 and other integrations 16:28:30 I have a bit of experience with the monero-integrations 16:28:45 my initial though is to ACK the takeover if recanman doesnt NACK it within the next 7 days 16:28:55 as ct mentions in a comment "If the proposer disappears, no problem, someone else can pick up from their last milestone." - slowbeardigger already has merged commits from serhack and completed a related bounty. the tricky thing is recanman did provide some updates / completed some work. so would be good to hear from recanman. they are very active 16:28:55 on their GH account, ive also left an issue on a repo that allowed it https://github.com/recanman/monero-denominations-converter/issues/1 16:29:23 i think that is fair (7 days to respond) 16:30:33 ofrnxmr: Sounds good to me 16:31:11 anyone objections? affirmations? 16:31:22 Any* 16:33:29 So the plan will be: If no response by saturday sept 26, plowsof or slowbeardigger will open a merge request on the ccs gitlab to take over the proposal. then 7 days later, oct 3rd, we will vote to merge it. Sound good? 16:34:13 Again, sounds good to me 16:34:36 for our next one, this has been discussed a few tiems in his absence but panagot is with us here today 16:34:52 c. panagot12 Monero LWS Observatory — Public LWS Health https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/686 16:35:19 the last time a proposal was repurposed from under a proposer who had not replied in a long time, they returned to claim completed milestone funds, they returned and where not happy 16:35:36 which proposal was that? 16:35:44 anon 16:35:55 plowsof: yep 16:35:59 oh ha. 16:36:03 but that proposal was completed 16:36:09 monero.fail will add a monero-lws public list there soon(tm) https://github.com/lalanza808/monero.fail/issues/43 16:36:29 yes recanman has made several PR's 16:39:38 Recenman has been gone for like almost a year. He won't ACK. > my initial though is to ACK the takeover if recanman doesnt NACK it within the next 7 days 16:39:40 so what would you suggest? 16:40:16 stnby he's on github contributing daily heh 16:40:18 Move on. I couldn't reach him for a very long time. Seems like he is trying to distance himself from XMR. Still shows as online sometimes. Funny he doesn't respond considering his acc is on my Matrix instance. 16:41:01 :( 16:41:21 @stnby:kernal.eu: hey, if he doesnt NACK, i'd personally consider that as "his response" 16:41:53 plowsof: Oh rlly? 16:42:22 he was given 5 months to show reasonable progress (completing it would be expected) and its been years. activity graph https://github.com/recanman?tab=overview&from=2026-09-01&to=2026-09-09 16:42:42 he never went anywhere 16:43:27 its us, not him? :( 16:43:43 plowsof: Doesn't look very active 16:44:27 https://github.com/stnby 16:45:02 yes not everything is on github, but he's alive and well and not feeding mother monero with his time ! 16:46:08 plowsof: What about it? 16:46:17 plowsof, ack on 7 days to open official takeover MR, then we vote in 2 weeks? 16:47:02 just a compare of the activity graph is all 16:47:10 or do you want more time 16:47:36 i personally would fire him 16:48:25 plowsof: I mean my GH is not very active either but still you can see my last merge was on erlang/otp like a week or 2 ago. Nowadays we all use self hosted Forgejo instances. 16:48:46 waiting 7 days is ok, but some work has been done there, i just want him to respond pls respond 16:49:16 Stnby nice, this is the way 16:49:22 if he doesnt respong in 7, he still has 2 weeks to NACK the MR 16:49:24 yeah, he said he got the monerophp thing 99% done 16:49:31 plowsof: don't tell j p k 16:49:38 xD 16:50:02 ok, back to c 16:50:05 c. panagot12 Monero LWS Observatory — Public LWS Health https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/686 16:50:16 @panagot1:matrix.org: apologies for the delay, and thank you for attending 16:50:52 OR slowbeardigger makes a MR with what work he thinks needs to be done - picking up the pieces and completing . while recanman proposal remains open. vote on SBD proposal - if it goes to funding consider funding from recanman 16:51:20 prior meetings havent been in favor of your proposal, i think due to a combination of there not being many lws servers to track, and that ditatompel and monero.fail may be better places to contribute to. 16:51:38 no worries, enjoying the interaction and they way of thinking regarding various members and how they interact / reasoning 16:52:04 for the next alt account and proposal? 16:53:23 plowsof: fair. slowbear can consider these options before the next meeting 16:53:35 Will do :) 16:56:01 i say alt, but you are already doing paid work for firo in some capacity? 16:56:25 Are there any questions regarding my proposal? 16:56:46 plowsof: is this question for panagot? 16:56:49 yes 16:58:07 https://funding.firo.org/proposals/spark-names-identity-directory-panagot 16:58:19 so not a totally random alt at least 16:59:37 Yes, proposal regarding monero about 3 months ago, just kept hanging 17:00:16 @panagot1:matrix.org: initially the hangs were a lot about how the repo was always inaccessible when it came time to discuss, which makes it ineligible 17:00:38 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: yeah this was going on for a while 17:01:20 @panagot1:matrix.org: my thoughts on the proposal are that its too soon, and likely not worth it at this time 17:01:36 we're always hesitant with hallucinated texts and new alts 17:02:10 well respected. no worries at all, 17:02:10 You know where to find me on X. As soon as I saw your message, I joined the group chat 17:02:12 using public lws servers isnt really recommended at this point, and lws is in fast development, so provider A's lws might not be running the same version as provider B. also, changing servers isnt handled gracefully 17:03:08 regarding new users, of course, you need to be careful, You never know who's on the other side of the computer 17:03:14 its best for people to run their own lws server, at least until lws and their wallets have matured a bit. 17:04:01 not simply for the privacy aspect, but also because the servers need to be maintained, have constant uptime, etc. a server going down means that the user needs to share their view key with another person 17:04:14 Idea came from monero stack exchange and I think i saw the request from 2 other places regarding this 17:04:47 yes, of course users want such a thing, but users dont always know what they want. and im sure they dont want to wait hours everytime they switch server 17:05:09 from user mahnunchik 17:05:51 if nothing else, i would suggest looking into monero.fail's change to add lws servers, and also ditatompel. and to revisit the idea once the lws landscape has matured a bit 17:06:14 i think skylight might be the only lws capable wallet at the moment (aside from plowsof's anonero fork) 17:06:37 maybe ravfx would consider monero-lws support for micronero 17:07:14 I can ping them, with the work, if they like it. 17:07:14 So regarding this, as I understand it won't be merged. 17:07:14 If I have another proposal, I will submit it in the future. 17:07:20 plowsof: I was thinking about it actually 17:08:05 or make syncing so damn fast nobody needs monero-lws , or wait for the carrot keys which provide increased privacy for services that scan for you 17:08:34 e. r4v3r23 - ANONERO Continued development https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/671 17:08:56 has been any update or PRs for anonero since the last meeting? 17:09:09 r4v3r sent a message a few days ago along the lines of that without funding anonero will go into maintenance mode 17:09:12 let me see if i can find 17:09:17 ty 17:09:37 ctrl+f power trip 17:09:51 xd 17:10:30 https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-community/20260918#c708540 17:11:24 is this the right repo? http://git.anonero5wmhraxqsvzq2ncgptq6gq45qoto6fnkfwughfl4gbt44swad.onion/ANONERO/ANONERO/commits/branch/main 17:12:09 i suggest kuno for immediate funding rather than dealing with plowsofs power trip (which i disagree with entirely) 17:12:34 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: yes 17:12:45 ty 17:13:00 I agree with Kuno 17:14:02 invest in a build server and the community (see monfluo) 17:14:35 “fact is without continued support the project is over” 17:14:35 To me this indicates that work won’t be done until funds appear 17:16:21 And if i may ask 17:16:21 in situations like this 17:16:21 anonero in the last several meetings hasnt been merged[... more lines follow, see https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/k5epoawLUjQxenlQ ] 17:17:07 commits still croming from the org accont and not eh dev. 17:17:09 usually, it would have been closed within 4 weeks 17:17:11 I raised some points on their ccs proposal, all got was “let community decide with their wallet” 17:17:19 it hasnt, because ANONERO was a pioneer of URQR air gapped scanning, and has helped with a few different things such as getting background sync tested 17:18:02 yeah 17:18:10 grass roots project does not mean amateur 17:19:04 So what are we gonna do about it? 17:19:04 start a kuno and close the ccs? 17:19:06 monero submodule when? build server, a project lead that knows their deps are 3.5 years out of date etc etc 17:19:19 the asks werent much, and plowsof shared a few times the work they they could have pulled from - didnt have to review it, but could have easily gotten started with the milestones to show progress 17:19:24 Good morning > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> don't tell j p k 17:19:37 🏃 17:19:39 I forgot about this meeting, sorry, lol 17:19:46 @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: a little proactive work never hurts 17:20:14 saying the project is dead without funding is also not a good look 17:20:20 Again, if they need immediate funding, the Kuno is a great solution and i am sure community will “vote with their wallets” 17:20:40 And doesn’t seem that there is intention of addressing some points, such as the mistery devs 17:20:43 and just drives home my main point of concern 17:21:00 again, its fine if they want to remain anon, perfect, a fucking username for anonero its fine 17:21:05 they won’t do it 17:21:39 If they had the will to address at least that, would had a different path to funding 17:21:46 Times up, thanks everyone for attending. sorry for the long meeting on a short agenda. 17:22:01 we meet again October 3, 2026, 1600 UTC 17:22:20 Feel free to continue discussing 17:23:04 @slowbeardigger:matrix.org: My vote would be 17:23:04 let em open a kuno if they need the money ASAP 17:23:04 and closing the proposal (there is not will do address anything imho) 17:33:31 meeting has done? 17:35:32 thanks ofrnxmr for chairing and everyone who attended 17:35:56 any other business Jackie? 17:38:32 no.thanks 18:02:03 Hi all!!! Can someone help me to approve my new gitlab account (i am mainly a github user) to submit an idea? 18:03:14 hi whats the account name? 18:03:34 plowsof: can i send it to PM? 18:04:05 can someone please 18:04:41 im afraid of spammers if i post my email here directly 18:05:09 just the username 😅 18:05:11 username 18:05:24 xd 18:05:50 plowsof: but i registered with full email addess - and the username is the same 18:06:32 you can try to use "alec" 18:06:38 for username 18:06:48 or alec2026 18:07:16 The email cannot be the same as the username. 18:07:17 wait - let me check 18:07:44 @frstrtr:matrix.org: Special characters are not allowed. 18:08:33 ok register another account - the username will be public 18:09:14 plowsof: kk trying, holdon please 18:09:25 you can PM me (plowsof:matrix.org) the account and it will be deleted . i will message you now 19:47:07 https://mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/WHoPnsSUYymFTvgpXwgNiWSS.png (image.png) 19:47:09 it seems died completely 19:47:21 Try again a bit later 19:48:20 There should be info on the "how to CCS" page that explicitly says something like "no blatant slop submissions" 19:48:27 That should deter most agents 19:48:51 blatant slop is fine, saves time 19:51:06 Or, rather, "proposals made by autonomous agents will be rejected, so don't waste your time" 19:52:30 @jpk68:matrix.org: then theyll jsut stop idenifying as such 19:52:58 dead internet theory 19:53:13 its only recently that bots have been telling on tghemselves 19:53:36 It's going to suck for real people, who weren't able to "get in" before you could (easily) tell whether someone is real online 19:53:51 Especially in a community based on credibility and such 19:53:54 So fat is easy to spot em 19:53:56 "that mother fucker is not real!" 19:54:10 I am not real 19:54:18 ..dont know the meme? 19:54:59 No 19:55:20