11:28:57 <anonyphi[m]> I am the person who posted the reddit post regarding using Monero tx's for communications and data storage on the Monero blockchain. At the moment I have a very basic prototype that I wrote in C++ , which allows users to decode and print messages.  
11:29:27 <anonyphi[m]> My only issue is that I am having diffculties with making the monerocpp library work
11:30:25 <anonyphi[m]> so I am stuck with the part of automating the part that directly pulls/send data from/to the network
11:30:37 <anonyphi[m]> Right now I have to :
11:31:10 <anonyphi[m]> 1.  use get_transfers from the CLI  ( this exports a csv into the same folder as the exe monero exe)
11:31:44 <anonyphi[m]> 2. parse the amount column with the module that I wrote
11:31:58 <selsta> anonyphi[m]: you can PM woodser[m], he wrote the monero-cpp lib
11:33:04 <anonyphi[m]> This pretty much sums the entire process of recieving encrypted messages via the chain ( there are some specific definitions I used in order to separate multiple messages one from the other
11:33:31 <slstmd[m]> anonyphi: you can PM woodser, he wrote the monero-cpp library
11:34:15 <anonyphi[m]> I tried that, got a bunch of errors, I think its due to the fact im doing it on a win10 machine
11:36:22 <woodser[m]> anonyphi[m]: this sounds like a painful process, not using a library that already handles blockchain interactions
11:37:44 <anonyphi[m]> woodser[m]: Like I said, right now I use the built in CLI command "get_transfers" which exports a list of transfers into a csv file. parsing it is really simple, its less than 60 lines.
11:37:58 <anonyphi[m]> of code
11:41:59 <anonyphi[m]> Right now I am able to manually send each transaction ( a single character) one by one to the recipient's address, recipient can then decode with my module... Perhaps I should create a short video demonstrating how messages could be sent, as well as data storage ( technically its possible to save any type of data this way, from short sentences to entire bmp images)
11:42:59 <anonyphi[m]> even grayscale images are possible, though quiet expensive due to fees
11:48:33 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Why not use something like Bitcoin Cash (it has big blocks and OP Return)? Or you can fork Monero and add your messenger TXs on that chain (e.g. via tx_extra)?
11:49:05 <anonyphi[m]> Privacy is the first reason
11:49:35 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Encrypt it before you write it in OP return.
11:50:34 <anonyphi[m]> second reason is  I am not trying to create something new here, almost everything that's required to do this - already exist. my only issue is automating and maximizing efficiency
11:50:59 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Also, you really want multiple TB of private messages to be stored permanently (no deletion or edits possible) for decades on thousands of strangers' computers worldwide?
11:51:28 <anonyphi[m]> I don't want it, but if someone wants it, I want them to be able to
11:51:54 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Then they can implement it themselves or simply use PGP and email, Signal, XMPP or any other non-blockchain solution.
11:53:41 <anonyphi[m]> They could also use visa and mastercard, which give you cashbacks unlike monero. Also, this method requires no single connection point between the parties involved
11:54:33 <anonyphi[m]> I simply want this to be possible for those who want it. In the end the fees for spamming the network are too high for this to become an issue
11:54:58 <anonyphi[m]> and even if this does happen - its simply more rewards for miners
11:55:51 <anarkiocrypto[m]> Visa and MasterCard are inaccessible since they require government ID KYC to signup for the credit card. Whereas nothing stops you from downloading PGP, Signal, XMPP, etc.
11:56:13 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I feel bad if this bloats the blockchain, increases fees for everyone else, and may harm fungibility.
11:56:19 <mongojuice> can we haz emojis in xmr bloatchain please
11:56:45 <anarkiocrypto[m]> But you can probably develop this on testnet first.
11:57:42 <anonyphi[m]> If you believe that using these things give you the level of security you get with using monero with its 3 GH/s and sending each tx to a different node, I am sorry to disappoint you
11:58:46 <anarkiocrypto[m]> I wouldn't feel secure if my private conversations were stored permanently for decades on thousands of people's computers.
11:59:02 <anarkiocrypto[m]> But feel free to develop this if you want, nothing stops you.
12:59:30 <utxobr[m]> imho, anything other than using txns to advertise a public key to bootstrap a comms channel is unnecessary bloat
12:59:56 <utxobr[m]> (in the messaging use case)
13:00:23 <selsta> what townforge does makes sense, chat messages stay in the mempool and don't get mined
13:00:33 <utxobr[m]> (that discussion would be better suited for #monero thought, again, imo :p )
13:00:59 <utxobr[m]> selsta: yeah that’s neat - to correct my stmt: txns included in blocks
13:56:40 <gingeropolous> yeah, using the monero p2p network as a relay network independent of storage in the blockchain could be an area of interesting development
13:57:13 <gingeropolous> especially with the ability to use mine-for-service, or rpc-pay
16:49:43 <selsta> .merges
16:49:43 -xmr-pr- 7886 7911 7917
16:50:36 <selsta> Any comments remaining regarding #7891 (zmq changes)? Otherwise I will add it to the merge queue in the next days.
16:52:08 <selsta> vtnerd: ^
17:18:34 <sech1> selsta ping me when you add it, I'll create PR for the release-v0.17 branch too
17:58:35 <vtnerd> I've reviewed it, nothing else to say
17:59:00 <vtnerd> is that appropriate for 0.17 branch? its an added feature not a bug fix
17:59:06 <vtnerd> although the next release will be a while I guess
18:00:03 <sech1> having it in the official release will make p2pool use easier. Right now I have to bundle it with custom monerod binary
18:48:09 <selsta> yes, it will take a while to branch from master, it makes sense to PR it against release
22:02:54 <utxobr[m]> are we doing 0.17.3.0 then?